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Waterford V Limerick

  • 07-06-2009 7:38pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 238 ✭✭


    Anyone know what the ticket situation is for next sunday? Many people expected for the game? You'd have to fancy Waterford!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 charlie40


    Tickets wont be a problem next sunday.Just buy them outside semple staduim.Only be about 35,000 there.Come on the Deise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,562 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    ya capacity is 50,000, the game would be around 30,000 id say. no problems for this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    Should be a good one, the winner would do alright against Tipp in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭Daysha


    The healing process starts here then :). The Waterford team should look something like this from what I'm hearing:


    Clinton Hennessy
    Eoin Murphy
    Declan Prendergast
    Noel Connors
    Richie Foley
    Michael "Brick" Walsh
    Aidan Kearney
    Stephen Molumphy
    Shane O'Sullivan
    Seamus Prendergast
    Ken McGrath
    Jamie Nagle
    John Mullane
    Eoin Kelly
    Eoin McGrath

    Obviously the main points are no Tony Browne (needs a bit more time), no Dan Shanahan (needs to start playing good again), Ken starting a Championship at centre forward for the first time since 2003, with Brick taking his place after moving from midfield. O'Sullivan has had a good league so he should be taking Bricks place in the centre of the field, while Molumphy has impressed there too so him and Nagle will probably be swapping positions from where they started the AI final.

    Aidan Kearney had been tested at full back, but we're missing Kevin Moran so Ringo's services need to provided at left half back. The two new lads this year (Connors and Foley) also did well in the league so I can see them starting. Adrien Power did do fantastically well in goals for his two games in the league, but unless Clinto gets a recurrence of his injury he doesn't deserve to be dropped.

    Why I think we'll win:
    For the first time in a long while, we're entering a Munster campaign with no injury concerns. The two years when we were destroyed by injuries (06 and 08) were were thoroughly beaten. But the last time we came into Munster in such shape fitness wise we knocked 5 goals past Cork.

    Unlike when Justin was our manager, the vast majority of the positional switches make sense. Brick and Molumphy have done brilliantly at HB/MF respectfully.

    God know what Justin will do with Limerick. One of the main reasons we failed to reach an AI final in 06 was solely down to his persistance of Brick at full forward. It was a disasterous move, nearly suicidal. He's screwed up other times in the past too, like messing around with our goalkeepers a few days before an AI semi. He's a great manager no doubt, but there's no getting away from the fact that he can drop a clanger of a move from time to time.

    There's a nice fresh look to the team, and a good mix of youth and experience. Dropping Dan has to be the right call too.

    Why I think we'll lose:
    The Limerick team of 09 has the exact same feel to it as the Waterford team of 02 did. And look what Justin managed to do with that.

    Ken playing at CF for us. I know that's his natural position, but he's the best centre back in the country imo. He was hit and miss in the league for us, and since he's just returned from injury, we may not see the Ken we're used to on Sunday week.

    As always, our full back line doesn't inspire me with much confidence.

    Davy Fitz might not learn from his mistakes in the AI final. You don't beat a team by physically beating the player.

    All things considered though, I can see us sneaking it by a goal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Browney7


    I suppose you would have to think Waterford are worthy favourites.

    I learned a long time ago to never go to a Limerick hurling match in expectation because invariably I end up disappointed. These games are always close though and to be honest I don't think there is much between the teams. This being probably Ollie Moran's last year he will want a first Munster medal and that is nothing more than he deserves.

    A lot of our players don't have enough hurling done but maybe Justin can orchestrate a victory. I travel to Thurles once more in hope rather than expectation.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭Declan30


    I have said all along that This Limerick Team that will play waterford on Sunday will have too many New comers on the Team to make an Impact.
    We will Give Waterford a Good Game alright but their experience and better forwards will win it on the Day.

    Only thing that could help us .Is that if waterford may still have a hangover form Last Years All Ireland.

    I just cant see a beating like they got being out of the system in less than 9 months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    Daysha wrote: »
    The healing process starts here then :). The Waterford team should look something like this from what I'm hearing:


    Clinton Hennessy
    Eoin Murphy
    Declan Prendergast
    Noel Connors
    Richie Foley
    Michael "Brick" Walsh
    Aidan Kearney
    Stephen Molumphy
    Shane O'Sullivan
    Seamus Prendergast
    Ken McGrath
    Jamie Nagle
    John Mullane
    Eoin Kelly
    Eoin McGrath

    Obviously the main points are no Tony Browne (needs a bit more time), no Dan Shanahan (needs to start playing good again), Ken starting a Championship at centre forward for the first time since 2003, with Brick taking his place after moving from midfield. O'Sullivan has had a good league so he should be taking Bricks place in the centre of the field, while Molumphy has impressed there too so him and Nagle will probably be swapping positions from where they started the AI final.

    Aidan Kearney had been tested at full back, but we're missing Kevin Moran so Ringo's services need to provided at left half back. The two new lads this year (Connors and Foley) also did well in the league so I can see them starting. Adrien Power did do fantastically well in goals for his two games in the league, but unless Clinto gets a recurrence of his injury he doesn't deserve to be dropped.

    Why I think we'll win:
    For the first time in a long while, we're entering a Munster campaign with no injury concerns. The two years when we were destroyed by injuries (06 and 08) were were thoroughly beaten. But the last time we came into Munster in such shape fitness wise we knocked 5 goals past Cork.

    Unlike when Justin was our manager, the vast majority of the positional switches make sense. Brick and Molumphy have done brilliantly at HB/MF respectfully.

    God know what Justin will do with Limerick. One of the main reasons we failed to reach an AI final in 06 was solely down to his persistance of Brick at full forward. It was a disasterous move, nearly suicidal. He's screwed up other times in the past too, like messing around with our goalkeepers a few days before an AI semi. He's a great manager no doubt, but there's no getting away from the fact that he can drop a clanger of a move from time to time.

    There's a nice fresh look to the team, and a good mix of youth and experience. Dropping Dan has to be the right call too.

    Why I think we'll lose:
    The Limerick team of 09 has the exact same feel to it as the Waterford team of 02 did. And look what Justin managed to do with that.

    Ken playing at CF for us. I know that's his natural position, but he's the best centre back in the country imo. He was hit and miss in the league for us, and since he's just returned from injury, we may not see the Ken we're used to on Sunday week.

    As always, our full back line doesn't inspire me with much confidence.

    Davy Fitz might not learn from his mistakes in the AI final. You don't beat a team by physically beating the player.

    All things considered though, I can see us sneaking it by a goal.
    No Brian Begley there to torment Waterford this year. He likes playing against you ;)

    Neither of these teams will pose any trouble to Tipp. Limerick are their usual selves - all over the place, with the age old failing of no first touch and very few scoring forwards, save Niall Moran, Pat Tobin (when they bother to play him) and the very inconsistent but highly talented Andrew O'Shaughnessy. Conceeding 1-32 to Cork in a recent challenge match won't do much to ease Justin McCarthy's worries.

    How much psychological damage was done to Waterfords mindset by last years All Ireland hammering? A lot of their players are shoving on, how much more is left in the legs of Tony Browne and Dan Shanahan will need to regain his form of '07 if Waterford are to seriously challenge Tipp this year. In the full forward line, with messrs Mullane, Kelly and McGrath, you should have sufficient firepower to overcome a very average Limerick side. I do however think placing Ken McGrath at centre forward is a gamble, i've never thought he is suited to there and i actually think Brian Geary could do a job on him. McGrath should be centre back, its where he does his best hurling from and a position from where he can dictate the play.

    As a Limerick man, i'm not very confident about this one, the League was a mixed bag, we're played very well against Cork and Kilkenny, lost both by 2 points or less but we were truly shocking against Tipperary and Galway. Waterfords have the better scoring forwards and i expect them to come through by 4 points on the day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 117 ✭✭bricky10


    grenache wrote: »
    Neither of these teams will pose any trouble to Tipp. .


    They said that last year and look what happend. Waterford are well capable of beating Tipp.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 deisekidd


    Daysha wrote: »
    The healing process starts here then :). The Waterford team should look something like this from what I'm hearing:


    Clinton Hennessy

    Eoin Murphy
    Declan Prendergast
    Noel Connors
    Richie Foley
    Michael "Brick" Walsh
    Aidan Kearney

    Stephen Molumphy
    Shane O'Sullivan

    Seamus Prendergast
    Ken McGrath
    Jamie Nagle
    John Mullane
    Eoin Kelly
    Eoin McGrath

    Obviously the main points are no Tony Browne (needs a bit more time), no Dan Shanahan (needs to start playing good again), Ken starting a Championship at centre forward for the first time since 2003, with Brick taking his place after moving from midfield. O'Sullivan has had a good league so he should be taking Bricks place in the centre of the field, while Molumphy has impressed there too so him and Nagle will probably be swapping positions from where they started the AI final.

    Aidan Kearney had been tested at full back, but we're missing Kevin Moran so Ringo's services need to provided at left half back. The two new lads this year (Connors and Foley) also did well in the league so I can see them starting. Adrien Power did do fantastically well in goals for his two games in the league, but unless Clinto gets a recurrence of his injury he doesn't deserve to be dropped.

    Why I think we'll win:
    For the first time in a long while, we're entering a Munster campaign with no injury concerns. The two years when we were destroyed by injuries (06 and 08) were were thoroughly beaten. But the last time we came into Munster in such shape fitness wise we knocked 5 goals past Cork.

    Unlike when Justin was our manager, the vast majority of the positional switches make sense. Brick and Molumphy have done brilliantly at HB/MF respectfully.

    God know what Justin will do with Limerick. One of the main reasons we failed to reach an AI final in 06 was solely down to his persistance of Brick at full forward. It was a disasterous move, nearly suicidal. He's screwed up other times in the past too, like messing around with our goalkeepers a few days before an AI semi. He's a great manager no doubt, but there's no getting away from the fact that he can drop a clanger of a move from time to time.

    There's a nice fresh look to the team, and a good mix of youth and experience. Dropping Dan has to be the right call too.

    Why I think we'll lose:
    The Limerick team of 09 has the exact same feel to it as the Waterford team of 02 did. And look what Justin managed to do with that.

    Ken playing at CF for us. I know that's his natural position, but he's the best centre back in the country imo. He was hit and miss in the league for us, and since he's just returned from injury, we may not see the Ken we're used to on Sunday week.

    As always, our full back line doesn't inspire me with much confidence.

    Davy Fitz might not learn from his mistakes in the AI final. You don't beat a team by physically beating the player.

    All things considered though, I can see us sneaking it by a goal.



    i heard d exact team aswel
    i tink bull phelan n kevin moran shud be in da team
    jamie nagle isnt at top form with his club dungarvan


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 deisekidd


    hopefully the deise can get a victory over limerick
    up the deise
    go home the langers


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 corkboy123


    Id have to say noel connors is one of the best up and coming talents around,id expect him to make a big impact this season!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 696 ✭✭✭coconut5


    Can't wait for it, hope Waterford trash them! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    deisekidd wrote: »
    hopefully the deise can get a victory over limerick
    up the deise
    go home the langers
    the langers?? I think you're confusing Limerick with Cork!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    bricky10 wrote: »
    They said that last year and look what happend. Waterford are well capable of beating Tipp.
    I disagree. In recent years Waterford would have been well capable of doing Tipp over. However this is a very good young and fit Tipp side, who have last years Munster championship under their belt. They will have learned a lot from last years AI semi defeat, Waterford can take very little from the their AI final hammering. Tipp will be a more streetwise team this year, as evidenced two weeks ago when Cork got within 1 point of them. Tipp stayed composed, didn't panic and responded with 2 crucial scores to close the game out. Their full back line, marshalled by Curran and Corcoran is bettered only by Kilkenny's. I just think they're a younger, fresher team and will have the legs on an ageing Waterford side. The Déise had their golden chance of AI victory in 07 but were ambushed by a highly motivated Limerick on the day. I cant see them getting as good a chance again for at least another 4-5 years. Tipp will be the dominant side in Munster for a good while to come. Any county that can leave players of the calibre of Paul Kelly and Pat Kerwick on the bench, is clearly one which is brimming with talent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭Daysha


    Declan30 wrote: »
    Only thing that could help us .Is that if waterford may still have a hangover form Last Years All Ireland.

    I just cant see a beating like they got being out of the system in less than 9 months.

    It's hard to say really. I could certainly see it being a factor next time we play in Croke Park, or the next time we meet Kilkenny, but this group of players should have the experience to know that when they run out in Thurles on Sunday, they have to approach it like they would with the start of any other Championship.
    grenache wrote: »
    No Brian Begley there to torment Waterford this year. He likes playing against you ;)

    Don't remind me :(
    I do however think placing Ken McGrath at centre forward is a gamble, i've never thought he is suited to there and i actually think Brian Geary could do a job on him. McGrath should be centre back, its where he does his best hurling from and a position from where he can dictate the play.

    Agree with you here. It's not like he was losing his touch at half back or anything. Brick was already a fantastic midfielder, so if it ain't broke, why try fix it? I certainly haven't seen anything from Ken in the league to warrant this change.
    bricky10 wrote: »
    They said that last year and look what happend. Waterford are well capable of beating Tipp.

    Absolutely. We've a fantastic record against Tipp, one of the best. But lets try get past Sunday first!
    deisekidd wrote: »
    i heard d exact team aswel
    i tink bull phelan n kevin moran shud be in da team
    jamie nagle isnt at top form with his club dungarvan

    Moran is struggling with an injury last time I heard, not 100% sure on that though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭oceallachain


    1. Does anyone know the situation as regards to Brian Geary and Seamus Hickey, are they playing or are they still injured?

    2. Are anyone actually giving Limerick a chance. I'm not going to argue with the previous posters, in fact I reckon Waterford by three points myself, but surely Limerick have a chance. . . don't they:(

    3. Definently disagree with the 30,000 figure. Both counties travel well and I can see 40,000 plus easily.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    With Justin McCarthy in charge, they will be very well prepared. Seamus Hickey is a huge loss but I expect whomever wins to do so by little more then a couple of points.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 117 ✭✭bricky10


    2. Are anyone actually giving Limerick a chance. I'm not going to argue with the previous posters, in fact I reckon Waterford by three points myself, but surely Limerick have a chance. . . don't they:(
    .


    Of course they have a chance. Justin will do anything to beat this Waterford team after the whole situation last year. + Limerick beat Waterford in the league (not much to go on, but its something). I wouldnt write Limerick off at all, and if they beat the Deise, it wouldnt surprise me at all to see them win Munster. Big words some might say, but they could cause an upset this year!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭oceallachain


    Yeah I was at the league game between the two sides and Limerick were far superior in play, yet they only managed to win by a very small margin even though Waterford didn't really show up. Too many wides... the old familiar tale ey. Plus it was at Pairc na nGael.

    Moran, Geary and Hickey are all injured apparently and if thats the case then it will probably be a matter of damage limitation. Having said that nothing has been confirmed. And that's before we mention the Shaughs factor - as in which Andrew will turn up on Sunday. The All Star from 2007 or the man who was dropped/rested from the team during the league of 2009.

    Still though, all in all it should be a cracker. Can't see either team running away with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,553 ✭✭✭soccymonster


    Is Mark Foley back, no?
    I could have sworn I saw him in a programme down as a sub during the league? Is he back?
    Wouldn't it be great if he was..
    Going to be a cracker on Sunday.. CMON THE TREATY!!!
    Well if limerick lose in the hurling, theres always a football munster final waiting for us as the end of the road.. was at the past 2 football matches, I'd say we'd have to keep to the hurling to be honest..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    Is Mark Foley back, no?
    I could have sworn I saw him in a programme down as a sub during the league? Is he back?
    Wouldn't it be great if he was..
    Going to be a cracker on Sunday.. CMON THE TREATY!!!
    Well if limerick lose in the hurling, theres always a football munster final waiting for us as the end of the road.. was at the past 2 football matches, I'd say we'd have to keep to the hurling to be honest..
    Yes Foley is back training with the squad and he should start, but i'm not 100% sure on that.

    *Nothing wrong with our footballers, we've a handy side and always play better when we're underdogs. I can tell you this much, we'll give plenty of it to either Cork or Kerry in the final.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Browney7


    grenache wrote: »
    Yes Foley is back training with the squad and he should start, but i'm not 100% sure on that.

    *Nothing wrong with our footballers, we've a handy side and always play better when we're underdogs. I can tell you this much, we'll give plenty of it to either Cork or Kerry in the final.

    I have no doubt Limerick will but on Sunday the amount of short handpassing that got us nowhere was huge. Against Kerry or Cork we will be pressurised more. Our style of play is very high risk low reward stuff.

    I would really fear for our full back line against Kerry or Cork but I think we should have no problem getting scores. Ryan, Browne, McCarthy and Collins are all well able to pick off points in fairness.

    There really is huge incentive now to beat Waterford because if we lose we could end up getting Kilkenny or Galway in the qualifiers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    Browney7 wrote: »
    I have no doubt Limerick will but on Sunday the amount of short handpassing that got us nowhere was huge. Against Kerry or Cork we will be pressurised more. Our style of play is very high risk low reward stuff.

    I would really fear for our full back line against Kerry or Cork but I think we should have no problem getting scores. Ryan, Browne, McCarthy and Collins are all well able to pick off points in fairness.
    Oh i agree totally on the short handpassing game, a little bit is ok but we overdid it big time on Sunday. Nothing infuriated me more than when our full-back line decided - on several occasions - to handpass the ball across the width of the field while under pressure. Like you said real high risk stuff! But you know if we just kept it simple and kicked the ball in quck into Collins and Stokes in the full forward line, we will certainly get the scores. We just didn't do enough of it on Sunday. We did it against Tipp in the first half though and ran riot. Why Mickey Ned persists with this slow hand-to-hand build-up i just dont know! Also Ian Ryan will have to be started in the full line, it makes no sense keeping a scoring threat like him away from the goal.
    Browney7 wrote: »
    There really is huge incentive now to beat Waterford because if we lose we could end up getting Kilkenny or Galway in the qualifiers
    Yes its vital we win. Our league form wasn't bad, but we've played Antrim, Cork and Tipp in three challenge games and lost all three. I know its all about the championship and form goes out the window, but we don't have a good base of consistency to start from. I actually don't think Seamus Hickey will be a huge loss if he's not fit to start, he's caught for pace often in the half line, would be better in the corner. We've got more than enough backs to cover. However Brian Geary will be a big loss if he's not fit. Peter Lawlor is the prime replacement but he's not even in the squad and Ollie Moran is better suited to centre forward. Now its often happened that Limerick turn the tables on recent form when championship comes around - i.e. beating Cork in 1994, 2001 and Tipp in 2007. But i still think Waterford are just a better all rounded team. We'll have a good chance if Reale can negate the threat of John Mullane and Shaughs and Breen fire on all cylinders in the full line and expose Waterford's suspect full back line. If we do that, we could just do it. But I wouldn't hold my breath.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 117 ✭✭bricky10


    Browney7 wrote: »

    There really is huge incentive now to beat Waterford because if we lose we could end up getting Kilkenny or Galway in the qualifiers


    Yeah I doubt Waterford or Limerick would like to meet either of them teams. KK because of who they are, and Galway's full forward line could make a brilliant defence look like a joke! And lets be honest, both Waterford and Limerick dont have a full back that could keep Joe Canning quiet for 70 mins.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭Daysha


    Both Waterford and Limerick have serious injury worries ahead of Sunday's Munster SHC semi-final at Semple Stadium.

    John Mullane hasn't trained for almost a fortnight since picking up a hamstring problem, and along with Richie Foley (hamstring), Gary Hurney (knee) and Shane Walsh (shoulder), are doubtful starters for Davy Fitzgerald's side.

    Limerick will be monitoring the progress of Seamus Hickey who has only been doing very light training because of a shoulder injury, while centre-forward Mike O'Brien is expected to miss the game because of two broken bones in his hand.

    Full-forward David Breen and wing-back Gavin O'Brien are also carrying injuries, though Treaty manager Justin McCarthy will be boosted by the news the dual stars Stephen Lucey and Mark O'Riordan will be available for selection.

    http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0609/waterford_limerick.html

    Hurney and Walsh probably won't be starting anyway, so no major loss there. Losing Foley would be a setback given his league form, but we're adequately covered in that area. If Mullane doesn't make it it's a huge blow though. He can cause the Limerick full back line some serious headaches with his pace, and he's our main point-scoring threat from play.

    Apparantly they're waiting to see if he can get through a full training session on Thursday before making the decision, but there's really no point in playing him if he's not 100%. If he doesn't make it, it'll open the door for Shanahan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,553 ✭✭✭soccymonster


    grenache wrote: »
    Yes Foley is back training with the squad and he should start, but i'm not 100% sure on that.

    *Nothing wrong with our footballers, we've a handy side and always play better when we're underdogs. I can tell you this much, we'll give plenty of it to either Cork or Kerry in the final.

    oh ri..!
    well, they do have decent players with the likes of john galvin, ian ryan and that keiran o' callaghan ain't too bad either but strategy-wise, they got it wrong..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 deisekidd


    grenache wrote: »
    the langers?? I think you're confusing Limerick with Cork!

    nop im just not a big fan of cork
    like every other deise fan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭JamieK


    grenache wrote: »
    I disagree. In recent years Waterford would have been well capable of doing Tipp over. However this is a very good young and fit Tipp side, who have last years Munster championship under their belt. They will have learned a lot from last years AI semi defeat, Waterford can take very little from the their AI final hammering. Tipp will be a more streetwise team this year, as evidenced two weeks ago when Cork got within 1 point of them. Tipp stayed composed, didn't panic and responded with 2 crucial scores to close the game out. Their full back line, marshalled by Curran and Corcoran is bettered only by Kilkenny's. I just think they're a younger, fresher team and will have the legs on an ageing Waterford side. The Déise had their golden chance of AI victory in 07 but were ambushed by a highly motivated Limerick on the day. I cant see them getting as good a chance again for at least another 4-5 years. Tipp will be the dominant side in Munster for a good while to come. Any county that can leave players of the calibre of Paul Kelly and Pat Kerwick on the bench, is clearly one which is brimming with talent.


    If you mean Eamonn Corcoran he has retired? :confused:

    I would be more worried about Waterford to be honest they always seem to up it against us but I wouldn't class Limerick as a cakewalk either...

    ...Limerick by 2! :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    JamieK wrote: »
    If you mean Eamonn Corcoran he has retired? :confused:

    I would be more worried about Waterford to be honest they always seem to up it against us but I wouldn't class Limerick as a cakewalk either...

    ...Limerick by 2! :P

    I think it was Declan Fanning i was thinking of! And he may even have switched to the half back line for this year's championship. Either way himself and Paul Curran are some operators.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    It all depends on how Waterford have coped with their AI thrashing. It should be well out of their system by now. I believe the physically imposing Déise half forward line of Shanahan, McGrath and Prendergast have a vital role to play in stopping the Limerick half back line from delivering any sort of ball in to O'Shaughnessy and Donie Ryan. They're all 6 foot and over and are more than capable of winning puck out ball. The two Marks, Riordan and Foley are not big men and are highly susseptable under a high drop ping ball.

    Limerick will have to stop Mullane, can see Damien Reale doing a man marking job on him. Reale is a good marker but has a habit of fouling, and can see Mullane winning a few frees off him during the course of the game. Whatever about the looseness of Ken McGrath at CB, that is where he SHOULD be playing, its his best position and from where he can dictate the play. Putting him CF is a gamble, and i think Brian Geary can do a job on him here.

    Midfield will be a real battle of attrition, with Dodge and Molumphy like to claim a few scores apiece for Limerick and Waterford respectively, but here is not where the match will be won.

    The most fascinating line on the field is the Waterford full back / Limerick full forward one. This has traditionally been seen as Waterford's weak point, and their current back three aren't any exception to this view. That said, Limerick's full forward line tends to blow more cold than hot, but on any given day Donie Ryan and Shaughnessy can get goals - as Waterford know only too well. Limerick's new man at full foward David Breen is no replacement for Brian Begley - Waterford's tormentor-in-chief througout this decade. That at least is one plus for the Déise men.

    So who will win? It will be very close, could really go either way, lots of ifs and buts in it. But i'll go for Waterford by 1 point. As a Limerick man i'm hoping i'm wrong


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭shawnee


    It's difficult to fancy Limerick on Sunday. Justin's arrival has brought some hope to the county however he has not managed to unearth any exciting and scoring forward which is what the team needs. We have many that perform well today and tomorrow are taken off. Waterford on the other hand have at least two classy forwards in Mullane and Kelly.
    Limerick have a habit of delivering when least expected and that is their only chance. If Shaughs fires he could win it for the Treaty.
    After that I really can't see either of them putting it up to Tipp, but then again a win can change all.
    Looking forward to a close match. ;);)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭knightmare


    Limerick hurler sidelined after assault

    A LIMERICK senior hurler's hopes of lining out on the starting 15 for this Sunday's clash against Waterford have been crushed after he was the victim of a vicious assault by a gang in Cork.
    Gavin O'Mahony from Kilmallock is still recovering after the attack on a busy city centre street on Thursday, May 28, which left him hospitalised with a fractured skull and concussion.

    Earlier in the evening he had lined out for Kilmallock in their opening county senior hurling championship encounter with Patrickswell in Bruff which ended in defeat.

    "I won't be togging out on Sunday," the 21-year-old confirmed to the Limerick Leader this Wednesday. "Things are dying down now and I just want to move on," he added.

    O'Mahony who was a star underage player for Kilmallock was poised to make his first Munster senior championship start with the Limerick senior team on Sunday against Waterford in the much anticipated clash at Semple Stadium in Thurles.

    He played six out of the seven league games in the half-back position. Since the incident however, he has been unable to participate in training sessions with the squad.

    O'Mahony captained the Limerick minor hurling team in the 2005 All-Ireland final. A former student of LIT, he won a Fitzgibbon cup medal on the college team in 2007.

    He also boasts four county minor hurling championships and three county under-21 hurling championships with his native Kilmallock. This is his third year on the senior Limerick squad despite his tender years.

    http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/Limerick-hurler-sidelined-after-assault.5356480.jp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,860 ✭✭✭Cake Man


    That's terrible news about that young lad, I hope he gets well soon and back hurling again.

    Anyway, Sundays match is like a deaf dog.........hard to call. We're going in as favourites but I have no doubt this won't bother Limerick in the slightest. I think it really depends what teams show up-will it be the never say die Limerick or the one we saw last summer against Offaly?
    Same goes for ourselves, we can be on fire at times but also have the tendancy to push the self destruct button in games.
    Some Limerick heads I have been talking to aren't too confident about Sunday but I'd give them a chance.
    I think we'll prob shade it by a few points but I'm not holding my breath! :rolleyes: Up the Deise


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Erin Go Brath


    The head says Waterford, heart says Limerick. The head is usually correct. I suspect Waterford have the better forwards and should edge it by 3 or 4 points.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,553 ✭✭✭soccymonster


    knightmare wrote: »
    Limerick hurler sidelined after assault

    A LIMERICK senior hurler's hopes of lining out on the starting 15 for this Sunday's clash against Waterford have been crushed after he was the victim of a vicious assault by a gang in Cork.
    Gavin O'Mahony from Kilmallock is still recovering after the attack on a busy city centre street on Thursday, May 28, which left him hospitalised with a fractured skull and concussion.

    Earlier in the evening he had lined out for Kilmallock in their opening county senior hurling championship encounter with Patrickswell in Bruff which ended in defeat.

    "I won't be togging out on Sunday," the 21-year-old confirmed to the Limerick Leader this Wednesday. "Things are dying down now and I just want to move on," he added.

    O'Mahony who was a star underage player for Kilmallock was poised to make his first Munster senior championship start with the Limerick senior team on Sunday against Waterford in the much anticipated clash at Semple Stadium in Thurles.

    He played six out of the seven league games in the half-back position. Since the incident however, he has been unable to participate in training sessions with the squad.

    O'Mahony captained the Limerick minor hurling team in the 2005 All-Ireland final. A former student of LIT, he won a Fitzgibbon cup medal on the college team in 2007.

    He also boasts four county minor hurling championships and three county under-21 hurling championships with his native Kilmallock. This is his third year on the senior Limerick squad despite his tender years.

    http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/Limerick-hurler-sidelined-after-assault.5356480.jp

    Another good player off the starting 15... they're being knocked off one-by-one. poor lad though what happened. hope everything will go well on Sunday though


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,691 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Waterford team named this evening

    Clinton Hennessey

    Eoin Murphy
    Declan Prendergast
    Noel Connors

    Aidan Kearney
    Michael 'Brick' Walsh
    Kevin Moran

    Shane O Sullivan
    Stephen Molumphy

    Jamie Nagle
    Ken McGrath
    Seamus Prendergast

    Eoin McGrath
    Eoin Kelly
    John Mullane


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    A real pity what happened to Gavin O'Mahony, he is a real star in the making. Have seen him in action a few times for both Kilmallock and Limerick, was awesome for the minors a few years back and his performance against Tipp in the U-21 Munster semi final last year was the best i've seen from any Limerick back, ever! He is the rightful heir to Mark Foleys throne.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    If the great almighty Dan Shanahan isn't playing, Limerick at a canter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,553 ✭✭✭soccymonster


    grenache wrote: »
    A real pity what happened to Gavin O'Mahony, he is a real star in the making. Have seen him in action a few times for both Kilmallock and Limerick, was awesome for the minors a few years back and his performance against Tipp in the U-21 Munster semi final last year was the best i've seen from any Limerick back ever. He is the rightful heir to Mark Foleys throne.

    That was inspirational.. it actually was.. when i read it i was just lik WOAH!.. well done!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    Donie Ryan is starting! :D Hilarious.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,553 ✭✭✭soccymonster


    Orizio wrote: »
    Donie Ryan is starting! :D Hilarious.

    Hows that hilarious?! Donies A Ledge :D..
    As my dad would say "heres comes donie the goal machine!"
    ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭Declan30


    Hows that hilarious?! Donies A Ledge :D..
    As my dad would say "heres comes donie the goal machine!"
    ;)


    Im a bit shocked myself he is starting. Taught justin would have him coming on as a sub.

    The more i look at the game the less i see limerick wining it. Cant see our forwards getting there scores too easy.
    Even in the limerick the forward had to work hard for the scores.

    I hope i am proven wrong on sunday though :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    Seriously though, are people actually telling my the second best corner forward in Limerick Hurling is Donie Ryan?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭Daysha


    deisekidd wrote: »
    nop im just not a big fan of cork
    like every other deise fan

    Speak for yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭Daysha


    KevIRL wrote: »
    Waterford team named this evening

    Clinton Hennessey

    Eoin Murphy
    Declan Prendergast
    Noel Connors

    Aidan Kearney
    Michael 'Brick' Walsh
    Kevin Moran

    Shane O Sullivan
    Stephen Molumphy

    Jamie Nagle
    Ken McGrath
    Seamus Prendergast

    Eoin McGrath
    Eoin Kelly
    John Mullane

    Happy with that team. Pity Richie Foley didn't make it, but Kevin Moran's really grown in his role at left half back. Ringo at right half back is an odd one, but I'm sure Davy knows he can do a job there.

    Really looks like he's got his heart set on Ken at centre forward too, I just hope the decision doesn't come back to bite him.
    Orizio wrote: »
    If the great almighty Dan Shanahan isn't playing, Limerick at a canter.

    In fairness, while he's lost a bit of form, he likes playing against Limerick. A hat trick in the Munster final two years ago; 4 points from play in the semi final that same year. I'm sure we'll see him at some point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,553 ✭✭✭soccymonster


    Orizio wrote: »
    Seriously though, are people actually telling my the second best corner forward in Limerick Hurling is Donie Ryan?
    Yea thats what I'm saying... As a limerick supporter I'll be honest wit ye, limerick have f**k all forwards.. shaughs is not in form at all, dat breen fella is a waste of space imo..niall moran seems to be the only one doing the business for us!.. and that is not enough to win a championship game..
    Im not all negative though, the back line is preety strong with the likes of Lucey, Reale but with Hickey not there, its a huge loss.!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    How often has Ken McGrath played center back over the years in championship?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭Daysha


    Orizio wrote: »
    How often has Ken McGrath played center back over the years in championship?

    He's been playing centre back since the start of 2004, and apart from those one or two matches Davy Fitz tried him at full back last year, he's been playing there consistently ever since.

    That said though, centre forward is his natural position. He grew up with Mount Sion playing there, including from the moment he made his Waterford debut in 1996 to the end of 2003. Despite all that, inter-county hurling has changed quite a lot in 6 years, and I'd worry what kind of influence he can make without the pace that he used to have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    Sorry meant to ask how long he has been playing center forward rather then center back. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    Daysha wrote: »
    Ringo at right half back is an odd one, but I'm sure Davy knows he can do a job there.
    Wasn't Aidan Kearney usually a left half back, if memory serves me correctly? With an odd deployment at corner back too...


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