Ganley looking good in Early Tallies

Villain

Early tallies showing Ganley doing well on about 13%, that would seem to suggest that talk of pre election Polls being way out in relation to Ganley could be true, that would be a real shock

ninebeanrows

Lets hope not.

Darsad

How could there be early tallies there are no boxes opened and wont be until the polls across europe close at 9pm tomorrow, surely you mean exit polls

Villain

Darsad wrote: »

How could there be early tallies there are no boxes opened and wont be until the polls across europe close at 9pm tomorrow, surely you mean exit polls

The boxes are opened, the local and European votes are in the one box so tallies are been done as votes are sorted

edanto

I wonder did Libertas get around to putting their detailed policies up on their website yet.

upmeath

Villain wrote: »

the local and European votes are in the one box

Maybe they do things a little differently in North-West but here in Meath the Town and County Council ballot sheets went in one box, for counting in Trim, and the other ballot sheets (for Ireland East in Europe) go in a separate box to go to Punchestown.

Villain

In Some areas upmeath, depends on where the count centres are located, my two votes went into the one box, and the tallies are coming from the sorting of votes I know that for sure, but this is a very large area so tallies have to carry serious health warnings but the surprise in relation to Ganley is that the tallies from areas where he wasn't expected to do well are showing him around 12%-13%

poochiem

Ganleys in according to tallies on politics.ie

themadchef

Where i voted (Mayo) both ballot papers went into the same box.

Darsad

Villain wrote: »

The boxes are opened, the local and European votes are in the one box so tallies are been done as votes are sorted

Your probably right Villain as I did put my two in the one box

GSF

upmeath wrote: »

Maybe they do things a little differently in North-West but here in Meath the Town and County Council ballot sheets went in one box, for counting in Trim, and the other ballot sheets (for Ireland East in Europe) go in a separate box to go to Punchestown.

My 2 votes in Meath East went into 1 box

upmeath

GSF wrote: »

My 2 votes in Meath East went into 1 box

Meath East is a Dáil constituency.

Mods, I'm not dragging a post about Ganley off topic, I'm explaining how and where the votes are counted around the country, taking my own home county of Meath as an example.
Meath is divided into five electoral areas for County Council elections - Navan, Kells, Trim, Dunshaughlin and Slane. Navan, Kells and Trim also have town council elections, meaning people in the urban areas of those three towns have a third ballot sheet. In the polling stations in the towns, the urban electorate have 3 ballot sheets - the town (Navan/Kells/Trim Town Council) and county (Navan/Kells/Trim Area for Meath County Council) ballots go into the one box, and a second box exists for European elections for convenience. This separate box doesn't exist in Dunshaughlin/Slane Areas.
All ballots for Meath, from all five electoral areas, are being counted in the GAA in Trim this morning, and the euro ballots from Dunshaughlin and Slane are being separated and sent to Punchestown for tomorrow morning. The town council counts take place in the respective towns, I think Claremont Stadium sees the count for Navan TC, not sure where the Kells CS count is, and Trim TC is in the Leisure Centre.

The Euro election ballot heads to the count centre for Ireland East, which is the convention centre at Punchestown Racecourse, with the count beginning tomorrow morning, so if tallies are coming in for Ganley already they're for extraurban areas of Connacht/Ulster where the European ballots are being separated from County Council election ballots and someone's getting a cheeky look-in ahead of the European count, which only begins tomorrow morning at all four count centres.

DeVore

poochiem wrote: »

Ganleys in according to tallies on politics.ie

The guy who runs Politics.ie is the Libertas campaign manager (or similar title).

DeV.

upmeath

DeVore wrote: »

The guy who runs Politics.ie is the Libertas campaign manager (or similar title).

Thanks, I'm just going to put politics.ie beneath Fox and Sky News on my list of conservative biased media outlets now

is_that_so

Avril Doyle offered a very large health warning on EU tallies. Because of the vast size of the constituencies one can find disproportionate vote shares in individual regions and it makes getting an accurate picture from tallies very difficult. 13% in first preferences is unlikely to be enough for Ganley based on previous elections.

EDIT: Sligo with 100% boxes opened: Ganley on 11% , Harkin on 45%

Dr Galen

looks like Ganley is presently second on the tallies, behind Harkin.

According to RTE, she has pulled 15,000 votes, with Ganley on 3500.

still early days though

Rebelheart

It will be a travesty if Connacht and Ulster people elect that extraordinarily dubious man.

What with his connections to highly secretive arms supplying, associating with neocons and their shadowy organisations, and no explaining his wealth or even verification that he is genuinely wealthy, we should all be weary of the secretive, dubious and dangerous agenda of this self-declared British businessman.

And listening to his slander of Marian Harkin - e.g. she supports abortion -is enough to turn the stomach of anybody who does not want to see US style politics brought into our country.

It is a matter of public interest to expose this man, his background, his agenda and the source of his funding. The state and media has failed us abysmally.

Rebelheart

Mystik Monkey wrote: »

looks like Ganley is presently second on the tallies, behind Harkin.

According to RTE, she has pulled 15,000 votes, with Ganley on 3500.

still early days though

That's more like it. How on earth could anybody have claimed Ganley was ahead with that sort of margin in favour of Harkin?

upmeath

Rebelheart wrote: »

It will be a travesty if Connacht and Ulster people elect that extraordinarily dubious man.

It will be a testament to his ability to persuade and manipulate the Irish people to pursue his own interests, except this time it's infiltrate and destroy, and he only needs the backing of a hundred thousand or so, many of them are people from a rural background whom he fooled into thinking he would reform and save the CAP if elected to the Parliament. What will really happen if he's elected to the European Parliament is he'll sit in the back row heckling the EPP, PSOE and ALDE with a bunch of extremists from UKIP and quite possibly the BNP if they manage to get somebody elected this time around. He'll be useless to the people of Ireland North-West.

Rebelheart wrote:

It is a matter of public interest to expose this man, his background, his agenda and the source of his funding. The state and media has failed us abysmally.

Much has been done to unravel his cloth, the Prime Time feature on his shares in Albanian pensions programmes and Latvian mining and forestry companies was a real eye-opener for me. Perhaps it's just a case of not enough people watching these things, it's much more interesting viewing than an All-Ireland hurling final with Kilkenny involved, but it only gets a fraction of the viewership numbers.

is_that_so

More tally updates.
Pat "The Cope" Gallagher is doing well in Donegal. Ganley appears to be still doing better than expected but the suggestion is that Harkin will top the poll. That's not what Ganley wants, if it turns out that way, as she was quite obviously his target. Both FF and FG front runners have running mates to get transfers from.

ShooterSF

This was a tough one for me. I don't like Libertas but I could not bring myself to vote for pro-Lisbon parties as it will just be claimed as a pro-lisbon vote. I doubt it'll make a difference as I'm in Meath.
I don't know whether to be pleased to see an anti-lisbon candidate getting support or uneasy at a party I don't like gaining support.

molloyjh

ShooterSF wrote: »

This was a tough one for me. I don't like Libertas but I could not bring myself to vote for pro-Lisbon parties as it will just be claimed as a pro-lisbon vote. I doubt it'll make a difference as I'm in Meath.
I don't know whether to be pleased to see an anti-lisbon candidate getting support or uneasy at a party I don't like gaining support.

Regardless of your opinion of Lisbon, that is just one issue, the bigger picture would suggest to me you should really be uneasy.

RandomName2

DeVore wrote: »

The guy who runs Politics.ie is the Libertas campaign manager (or similar title).

DeV.

lol!

Is that why every moderator in the European Union section calls Libertas, 'neo-nazis' .

Roll on conspiracy theorists [I think that Ganley is a good candidate for 1984's 2 minute hate, if you get what I mean]

ShooterSF

molloyjh wrote: »

Regardless of your opinion of Lisbon, that is just one issue, the bigger picture would suggest to me you should really be uneasy.

It's rather a big issue in Europe though and given that one of the arguments for not having refererendums is people elected people who support the treaty I'm sure you can see the dilemma (If you are to ignore your opinion on the actual treaty).

Red_Marauder

I think the health warning was in relation to the Dublin constituency?

Why on God's Earth do people give Marian Harkin a vote

I think it would be great to see Declan Ganley in parliament. Europe needs adversarial voices to question integration policy and to convey the message that not all Europeans, including Irish people, are happy with the direction Europe is taking.

BlitzKrieg

Much has been done to unravel his cloth, the Prime Time feature on his shares in Albanian pensions programmes and Latvian mining and forestry companies was a real eye-opener for me. Perhaps it's just a case of not enough people watching these things, it's much more interesting viewing than an All-Ireland hurling final with Kilkenny involved, but it only gets a fraction of the viewership numbers.

THe flaw with these sort of programmes was obvious from the response it got here and across other forums. If you attack someone for his past etc people call it a hatchet job and a smear campaign and libertas get to run with it as the little group standing up to the big bad *elites* Caroline Simons has been desperate to find someone to have a smear campaign on her, calling arson when her office had a small electrical fire and so on because it is the sort of stuff that grabs people's imagination and can push them to vote for libertas.

Putting Libertas down should be straightforward step by step knock down of their structure, their policies (which they have put up at long last, but its not on the libertas website, you have to go to the libertas ireland website for them because they have no EU wide policy, just economic ones for ireland) their candidates current activities etc.

Is that why every moderator in the European Union section calls Libertas, 'neo-nazis'

Its also why anyone can go into the european section and put up a daily mail article or something and go *OMGZ THEY TAKIN ORZ DEMOCRAZIES!?!?!?!* without being challanged to provide actual proof. As I have said before what I like about the politics section of boards is if you make any such claims you need to back it up.

Which I might add no libertas supporter has been able to do here...

is_that_so

Red_Marauder wrote: »

I think the health warning was in relation to the Dublin constituency?

Why on God's Earth do people give Marian Harkin a vote

I think it would be great to see Declan Ganley in parliament. Europe needs adversarial voices to question integration policy and to convey the message that not all Europeans, including Irish people, are happy with the direction Europe is taking.

The health warning I am assuming is in relation to partial tallies? It applies to all of them due to their huge size.

Most probably they vote for her because she is hard-working, trustworthy and has been consistent in her policies since she was elected.

Scofflaw

RandomName2 wrote: »

lol!

Is that why every moderator in the European Union section calls Libertas, 'neo-nazis' .

Let me stop you there. I never call anyone neo-nazis (with the exception of groups who describe themselves that way). Nor do I allow the random use of the term 'nazi', if it comes to it.

Still, it's not as if you've picked up a reputation for accuracy to lose.

annoyed,
Scofflaw

sceptre

RandomName2 wrote: »

Is that why every moderator in the European Union section calls Libertas, 'neo-nazis' .

^what Scofflaw said.

Personally if Libertas decided they were neo-Nazis, at least they'd finally be picking a policy consistent across Europe as opposed to the current situation where they have candidates making opposite arguments in different countries so technically I'd see that as progress of sorts, albeit a "progress" I wouldn't be supportive of.

Sponge Bob

Ganley 4th in the tallies , I believe that is final or near final .

1 2 and 3 are Harkin and Gallagher and Higgins in that order .

Ganley did well in Galway but not in the northern end of the constituency . He topped the poll in certain parts of the city where his campaign was racist, eg Ballybane .

molloyjh

ShooterSF wrote: »

It's rather a big issue in Europe though and given that one of the arguments for not having refererendums is people elected people who support the treaty I'm sure you can see the dilemma (If you are to ignore your opinion on the actual treaty).

Just on a point of fact, abeit off topic and noone wants another thread on Lisbon anyway, the fact that people elected pro-Lisbon politicians was never used as a reason to NOT hold a referendum, just as a relevant piece of evidence that they weren't against Lisbon. The only argument for not holding a referendum that appeared on these boards was because each member state has the right to define their own procedures. End of.

The point I was trying to make was regarding the fact that in 2 years Lisbon will be gone, one way or another (be it ratified or binned), and Ganley will still be in Europe. Whatever way you may feel about Lisbon you have to bear this in mind. If you don't like Libertas or Ganley, and if he does get in, you'll have to suffer him longer than Lisbon. Therefore you should be concerned.

PopeBuckfastXVI

ShooterSF wrote: »

This was a tough one for me. I don't like Libertas but I could not bring myself to vote for pro-Lisbon parties as it will just be claimed as a pro-lisbon vote. I doubt it'll make a difference as I'm in Meath.
I don't know whether to be pleased to see an anti-lisbon candidate getting support or uneasy at a party I don't like gaining support.

Just to add on this, we're having another referendum on Lisbon, Ganley or no Ganley. That's when you can vote 'No'. Any SF supporters should be very wary of this Tory Boy so beloved of the British right. Sometimes your enemys enemy is also your enemy.

Slightly OT, but is your signature line about the commission a joke? I think I saw someone say that Libertas are actually saying something along those lines?

Last year 'Vote no to Lisbon or we lose our commissioner', this year it's 'Vote no to Lisbon or we keep on all these useless commissioners'!?

ShooterSF

molloyjh wrote: »

Just on a point of fact, abeit off topic and noone wants another thread on Lisbon anyway, the fact that people elected pro-Lisbon politicians was never used as a reason to NOT hold a referendum, just as a relevant piece of evidence that they weren't against Lisbon. The only argument for not holding a referendum that appeared on these boards was because each member state has the right to define their own procedures. End of.

The point I was trying to make was regarding the fact that in 2 years Lisbon will be gone, one way or another (be it ratified or binned), and Ganley will still be in Europe. Whatever way you may feel about Lisbon you have to bear this in mind. If you don't like Libertas or Ganley, and if he does get in, you'll have to suffer him longer than Lisbon. Therefore you should be concerned.

That's a fair point and I do agree I'd feel uneasy. but still would it be evidence that people supported the treaty by electing pro-treaty parties? Something I'm not 100% comfortable with.
I'm just suggesting it from this quote,
"just as a relevant piece of evidence that they weren't against Lisbon."

I also agree on not getting into a pro/con debate again for now

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Just to add on this, we're having another referendum on Lisbon, Ganley or no Ganley. That's when you can vote 'No'. Any SF supporters should be very wary of this Tory Boy so beloved of the British right. Sometimes your enemys enemy is also your enemy.

Slightly OT, but is your signature line about the commission a joke? I think I saw someone say that Libertas are actually saying something along those lines?

Last year 'Vote no to Lisbon or we lose our commissioner', this year it's 'Vote no to Lisbon or we keep on all these useless commissioners'!?

It's quite tongue in cheek. Though before the last vote I actually agreed with the yes side by the end that the commission needed to be reduced. Now, by fluke voting for lisbon will keep it bloated.
But yes I picked that issue because of the strange situation it has us in where the Yes side now are by a side-effect looking to keep "our" (In commas for a reason) commissioner while a no side technically could be looking to keep the nice result. Again, somewhat tongue in cheek.

Edit - also while I have found myself voting SF today I am not a SF supporter in that I vote for the party I have preference for at the time and find that none represent my views well. It's generally the least bad I vote for.

PopeBuckfastXVI

Sindo exit poll puts Ganley on 10% - not too far off the 9% in the opinion polls.

Interestingly most people said they voted for him based on his 'policies'.

I'd love to know what people think his 'policies' are.
http://www.rte.ie/news/elections/stories/2009/0606/euroelection.html

evercloserunion

Take those politics.ie "tallies" with a pinch of salt and a litre or two of hard liquor. Can they even be called tallies? They weren't calculated while the votes were being counted, only sorted.

That said, Ganley may well get in. Across Europe we've seen far-right nutters get into power because of public anger; the Freedom Party in the Netherlands, the BNP getting their first county councillor in England and now maybe Ganley in NW. I hope he doesn't get in but am bracing myself for the worst.

Actually that's not true, the worst would be more than just Ganley getting in in Ireland. Whatever happens to Ganley, the other two Libertas candidates in Ireland look well on their way to humiliation so that's something I guess.

ionix5891

traveled across country today

spotted "new party, fresh direction" libertas poster near Dublin, nearly crashed the car

i taught they where a limited company? and what direction?

RandomName2

molloyjh wrote: »

The point I was trying to make was regarding the fact that in 2 years Lisbon will be gone, one way or another (be it ratified or binned), and Ganley will still be in Europe. Whatever way you may feel about Lisbon you have to bear this in mind. If you don't like Libertas or Ganley, and if he does get in, you'll have to suffer him longer than Lisbon. Therefore you should be concerned.

So? Ganley, if elected, will only be an MEP (of what will probably be a minority party). The EU Parliament doesn't have much power anyway. Besides which, it has already approved Lisbon. If The argument is that Ganley's possible election will boost the publicity of the 'No' side if he is elected, this is not much of an argument (and, as you said, only relevent for the next two years at most anyway).

On a related topic, now that Cameron is pursuing a referendum in Britain on Lisbon, will the same vitriol be directed at him by the yes crowd?

KnifeWRENCH

I do not like Fine Gael or their EU policies, and I would be reluctant to vote Fianna Fail due to their poor performance in Government. But if Higgins and The Cope get in ahead of Ganley I'll be delighted!
I sincerely hope Ganley fails in his bid to become an MEP and that Libertas will have died out before the next elections. And I'm speaking as someone who voted NO to Lisbon.

rco2000

I have nothing but admiration for any man that has achieved so much in his business career & fairly single handedly opened alot of people's eyes regarding the pitfalls of the Lisbon treaty (although there are many good things in this draft of the Lisbon treaty).

Ever since his success with the referendum - Paddy the Irishman has resorted to type i.e. knock the lad that's done well & look for dirt so that we can assasinate him/her.

We should all be proud of what he has achieved & lets respect respect democracy i.e. the Irish people have spoken.

Oh, has Jim Higgins the the rest of our mighty M.E.P's (yeah these people we see only every 5 years) revealed their annual expenses yet??

rco2000

Besides which, it has already approved Lisbon.


The Lisbon treaty is dead in the water untill it is passed by all member countries, including % especially the Republic Of Ireland.

PopeBuckfastXVI

rco2000 wrote: »

I have nothing but admiration for any man that has achieved so much in his business career & fairly single handedly opened alot of people's eyes regarding the pitfalls of the Lisbon treaty (although there are many good things in this draft of the Lisbon treaty).

Ever since his success with the referendum - Paddy the Irishman has resorted to type i.e. knock the lad that's done well & look for dirt so that we can assasinate him/her.

We should all be proud of what he has achieved & lets respect respect democracy i.e. the Irish people have spoken.

Oh, has Jim Higgins the the rest of our mighty M.E.P's (yeah these people we see only every 5 years) revealed their annual expenses yet??

The 'pitfalls' he identified were either outright fantasy, or not in Lisbon. He's a bullsh*t artist. I have no respect for charlatans that mislead people.

Hopefully he'll not be elected and he'll crawl back into whatever hole he squirmed out of.

PopeBuckfastXVI

RandomName2 wrote: »

So? Ganley, if elected, will only be an MEP (of what will probably be a minority party). The EU Parliament doesn't have much power anyway. Besides which, it has already approved Lisbon. If The argument is that Ganley's possible election will boost the publicity of the 'No' side if he is elected, this is not much of an argument (and, as you said, only relevent for the next two years at most anyway).

I think you're both making the same point.

rco2000

ionix5891 wrote: »

traveled across country today

spotted "new party, fresh direction" libertas poster near Dublin, nearly crashed the car


Sounds like what this country needs at the mo - a fresh direction, away from the cosy cartells, political directorships, galway races tent, failed financial regulation, a "world class health system", political corruption (tribunals),a government that has not got a clue how to get us out of their mess etc etc

Not saying it's Libertas but we certainly need something new?

BlitzKrieg

Oh, has Jim Higgins the the rest of our mighty M.E.P's (yeah these people we see only every 5 years) revealed their annual expenses yet??

THe one's I voted for did.

Its rather pointless to make annual expenses a cornerstone of a campaign for 3 reasons

1. It becomes mute as of tomorrow because all MEP's will be forced to accept the same standardised pay

2. As shown in this campaign it doesnt give you credibility it only damages your opponent, and if they (like most MEP's in Ireland did) release their expenses, then the argument again becomes void. Yes Jim Higgens failed to do that, he's an idiot, and as such I wouldnt vote for him, doesnt mean I would vote for Ganley, because there were plenty of other MEP's who released their expenses.

3. Finally if you push that your opponents should go above and beyond the legal requirement to show transparency, then using the excuse that you have shown all you are legally required to in relation to your own funding is hyprocritical at least.

eamo12

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Hopefully he'll not be elected and he'll crawl back into whatever hole he squirmed out of.

Perhaps you should crawl back into whatever hole you squirmed out of. Ganley has exposed the un-democratic nature of the EU and the deficit that exists between the commission and the people. No wonder the euro-elite are running scared. Voted No. 1 for Ganley and proud to do so.

PopeBuckfastXVI

eamo12 wrote: »

Perhaps you should crawl back into whatever hole you squirmed out of. Ganley has exposed the un-democratic nature of the EU and the deficit that exists between the commission and the people.

Really? Would you care to expand on that with examples?

Sounds like empty party propaganda to me, try harder next time Declan.

rco2000

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

The 'pitfalls' he identified were either outright fantasy, or not in Lisbon.
Fact is, the majority of Irish people made up their own minds last year (not Ganley) i.e. the pitfalls outweighed the advantages of passing the referendum.
Our inspiartional Taoiseach did not even read the shagging document -Ganley did.

I have no respect for charlatans that mislead people.

This government has made an art of mis-leading the Irish nation - just look at their record.

PopeBuckfastXVI

I wonder if Declan will respect the democratic will of the people when he misses out on the EP seat tomorrow and remove himself and his opinions from our lamp posts and into the letters page of the daily mail where they belong.

PopeBuckfastXVI

rco2000 wrote: »

This government has made an art of mis-leading the Irish nation - just look at their record.

I have no respect for our government.

BlitzKrieg

can everyone tone it down...

If you have a point back it up with facts otherwise stop being all aggressively outraged.

All of you (including you Pope, your holiness is sounding a tad too confrontational.)

rco2000

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

THe one's I voted for did.

Probably only after Vincent Browne shamed them into doing so.


1. It becomes mute as of tomorrow because all MEP's will be forced to accept the same standardised pay

2. As shown in this campaign it doesnt give you credibility it only damages your opponent, and if they (like most MEP's in Ireland did) release their expenses, then the argument again becomes void. Yes Jim Higgens failed to do that, he's an idiot, and as such I wouldnt vote for him, doesnt mean I would vote for Ganley, because there were plenty of other MEP's who released their expenses.

3. Finally if you push that your opponents should go above and beyond the legal requirement to show transparency, then using the excuse that you have shown all you are legally required to in relation to your own funding is hyprocritical at least.

Fair comment