Selective employment

Harpie

In relation to the thread about the dole numbers

So I'm just finished a 3 yr degree, not expecting anything much by way of employment opportunities, especially with a degree in English and Geography.

So basically I'll take anything, regularly check with Fás for anything going and have become increasingly pissed off and frustrated. Almost every job that I could actually do without experience is for CE applicants only. Even retail positions are becoming CE positions. Im fúcking sick of it, fair enough back to work and community employment schemes are important, and are there to provide opportunities for those who may not find them elsewhere, but I CAN'T GET A FOOKING JOB elsewhere either.

Basically I think it's unfair to provide special opportunities for long term unemployed/ former drug addicts etc, when others who have worked hard to stay in education aren't given the same opportunities and are exempt even from applying for these positions

/rant

stovelid

There's weeds growing all over the verges on the roads and you're moaning on Boards?

TestTransmission

Harpie wrote: »

In relation to the thread about the dole numbers

So I'm just finished a 3 yr degree, not expecting anything much by way of employment opportunities, especially with a degree in English and Geography.

So basically I'll take anything, regularly check with Fás for anything going and have become increasingly pissed off and frustrated. Almost every job that I could actually do without experience is for CE applicants only. Even retail positions are becoming CE positions. Im fúcking sick of it, fair enough back to work and community employment schemes are important, and are there to provide opportunities for those who may not find them elsewhere, but I CAN'T GET A FOOKING JOB elsewhere either.

Basically I think it's unfair to provide special opportunities for long term unemployed/ former drug addicts etc, when others who have worked hard to stay in education aren't given the same opportunities and are exempt even from applying for these positions

/rant

Think you answered your own question there

Degsy

Harpie wrote: »

GET A FOOKING JOB

Exactly!

Harpie

:rolleyes:pay me and I'll get rid of 'em

stovelid

Harpie wrote: »

Basically I think it's unfair to provide special opportunities for long term unemployed/ former drug addicts etc, when others who have worked hard to stay in education aren't given the same opportunities and are exempt even from applying for these positions

Laughing at this.

Your degree doesn't specifically qualify you for low-level jobs, yet you think you should be prioritized for such jobs over the long-term unemployed, some with families, because you think a garden-variety degree makes you better than them.

Low-level jobs, I might add, that you wouldn't have pissed on for the last 10 years, and will drop like a hot stone when things pick up, whereas those jobs are all some people will ever get.

Harpie

jackncoke wrote: »

Think you answered your own question there

What I chose to study should have nothing to do with it- I admit myself that my degree is not going to get me a dream career. My point is that, I am trying to get work doing anything at all, and doors are being closed everywhere I look

Harpie

stovelid wrote: »

Laughing at this.

Your degree doesn't specifically qualify you for low-level jobs, yet you think you should be prioritized for such jobs over the long-term unemployed, some with families, because you think a garden-variety degree makes you better than them.

Low-level jobs, I might add, that you wouldn't have pissed on for the last 10 years, and will drop like a hot stone when things pick up, whereas those jobs are all some people will ever get.

I didn't for one second suggest that I am better than anyone else because I have a degree -'garden variety' or otherwise. My point is that I can't even be considered for jobs that I could do with the limited experience I have. And as for the 'jobs I wouldn't have pissed on'- you have no idea of my working background so that comment is fairly ungrounded to say the least

TestTransmission

Right,so you got yourself a 3 year Arts Degree,and how much experience?

Degsy

Harpie wrote: »

I didn't for one second suggest that I am better than anyone else because I have a degree -'garden variety' or otherwise. My point is that I can't even be considered for jobs that I could do with the limited experience I have. And as for the 'jobs I wouldn't have pissed on'- you have no idea of my working background so that comment is fairly ungrounded to say the least

Well then why did you feel the need to mention your degree in the first paragraph?
Why didnt you just say "i'm trying to get a job and i cant"..the mention of the degree infers some feeling of entitlement.

Harpie

Degsy wrote: »

Well then why did you feel the need to mention your degree in the first paragraph?
Why didnt you just say "i'm trying to get a job and i cant"..the mention of the degree infers some feeling of entitlement.

Because it's relevant in that it I shows that I haven't been sitting on my arse moaning about not having a job since leaving cert, I chose to go to college- further my education etc. The idea at the time was to get a degree, then hopefully a job would follow. In hindsight, I would have been better off skipping college and getting a job whilst they were plentiful.

Harpie

jackncoke wrote: »

Right,so you got yourself a 3 year Arts Degree,and how much experience?

Just the usual experience of doing whatever jobs I could get during summer/ part time during college- supermarket, deli etc.

stovelid

Harpie wrote: »

I didn't for one second suggest that I am better than anyone else because I have a degree -'garden variety' or otherwise. My point is that I can't even be considered for jobs that I could do with the limited experience I have. And as for the 'jobs I wouldn't have pissed on'- you have no idea of my working background so that comment is fairly ungrounded to say the least

Your post suggests that you should be prioritized for low-level jobs over the long-term unemployed and 'former drug addicts' (the cheek of them getting jobs after giving up gear) as you have a degree.

The fact that you have a degree means that you are very unlikely to take a low-level job if a better one is available.

Seems clear to me.

ronkmonster

Harpie wrote: »

Because it's relevant in that it I shows that I haven't been sitting on my arse moaning about not having a job since leaving cert, I chose to go to college- further my education etc. The idea at the time was to get a degree, then hopefully a job would follow. In hindsight, I would have been better off skipping college and getting a job whilst they were plentiful.

or studying something that would help you in a job

Degsy

Harpie wrote: »

I would have been better off skipping college and getting a job whilst they were plentiful.

Indeed you would.

TestTransmission

Harpie wrote: »

Just the usual experience of doing whatever jobs I could get during summer/ part time during college- supermarket, deli etc.

Well,theres a lot of people in a lot worse situations so I guess you're just gonna have to stick with the job hunting or just go back to college/go travelling

Harpie

stovelid wrote: »

Your post suggests that you should be prioritized for low-level jobs over the long-term unemployed and 'former drug addicts' (the cheek of them getting jobs after giving up gear) as you have a degree.

The fact that you have a degree means that you are very unlikely to take a low-level job if a better one is available.

Seems clear to me.

:rolleyes:
If you read the original post carefully, without looking for 'my sense of entitlement' you would see that my ISSUE is that I can't even be considered for such positions. Like any other job, the post goes to the best candidate- which could be someone out of work for the past 20 years, a former drug addict, or me- whatever. My point is that in a time when jobs are scarce, it's unfair to completely eliminate people REGARDLESS OF EDUCATION for a position.

Spudmonkey

stovelid wrote: »

Your post suggests that you should be prioritized for low-level jobs over the long-term unemployed and 'former drug addicts' (the cheek of them getting jobs after giving up gear) as you have a degree.

The fact that you have a degree means that you are very unlikely to take a low-level job if a better one is available.

Seems clear to me.

Sure the long term un-employed didn't work when the country was rife with jobs, what makes you think they are going to now?

Sounds fair enough to me, why not give jobs to those more interested in working, degree or no degree... I don't think he was waving his in everyones face!

Harpie

ronkmonster wrote: »

or studying something that would help you in a job

Well the civil service was an option for after graduation at the time- not any more!
Hopefully a Masters will negate the ****ty degree I have and also give me another year before I have to trawl through the jobs centres again.

phasers

Go on the Dole ffs you god damn earner

Harpie

phasers wrote: »

Go on the Dole ffs you god damn earner

Afaik I'm not entitled to the dole, since I'm just finished full-time education, so don't really have an option other than to be persistent in my search for a job.

IvyTheTerrible

Harpie wrote: »

Afaik I'm not entitled to the dole, since I'm just finished full-time education, so don't really have an option other than to be persistent in my search for a job.

If you're looking for a job you're entitled to job seekers allowance. It takes months and months to process now, though.

TestTransmission

Harpie wrote: »

Afaik I'm not entitled to the dole, since I'm just finished full-time education, so don't really have an option other than to be persistent in my search for a job.

You can come clean my apartment ,my missus is a lazy biatch

TheZohanS

Harpie wrote: »

Afaik I'm not entitled to the dole, since I'm just finished full-time education, so don't really have an option other than to be persistent in my search for a job.

Hang in there Harpie, it's very tough out there at the moment but you seem like a decent sort and your persistence will pay off.


The best of luck.

ronkmonster

Harpie wrote: »

Well the civil service was an option for after graduation at the time- not any more!
Hopefully a Masters will negate the ****ty degree I have and also give me another year before I have to trawl through the jobs centres again.

so you have a non-skill based degree and you only had one place where you could get a job with said degree.

IvyTheTerrible

jackncoke wrote: »

You can come clean my apartment ,my missus is a lazy biatch

I dare you to say that to her face!

(film it and post it here for our entertainment!)

stovelid

Spudmonkey wrote: »

Sure the long term un-employed didn't work when the country was rife with jobs, what makes you think they are going to now?

The long-term spongers that were a segment of the 3-4% of the population who were unemployed.

There is close to triple that amount unemployed now.

Perhaps the OP can clarify what segment of the unemployed population the degree makes her/him better than, and we could divvy up the jobs that way?

Harpie wrote: »

:rolleyes:
If you read the original post carefully, without looking for 'my sense of entitlement' you would see that my ISSUE is that I can't even be considered for such positions. Like any other job, the post goes to the best candidate- which could be someone out of work for the past 20 years, a former drug addict, or me- whatever. My point is that in a time when jobs are scarce, it's unfair to completely eliminate people REGARDLESS OF EDUCATION for a position.

You are likely to scram from the job the minute something better comes up. Why not give it to somebody more likely to stay?

phasers

You could go round to people's houses and clean up...

stovelid

phasers wrote: »

You could go round to people's houses and clean up...

Chin up OP. When you get a job, you can come on like everybody else and start threads about cutting people's dole or making them mow motorway verges for a square meal.

ronkmonster

when was your last part-time job? any chance of going back there.

TheZohanS

stovelid wrote: »

Perhaps the OP can clarify what segment of the unemployed population the degree makes her/him better than, and we could divvy up the jobs that way?

From my reading he's just looking for a level playing field and not to be discriminated againt because he has a degree stovelid.

Harpie wrote: »

Basically I think it's unfair to provide special opportunities for long term unemployed/ former drug addicts etc, when others who have worked hard to stay in education aren't given the same opportunities and are exempt even from applying for these positions

He even went as far as to say that his degree is not the best, he's not looking for any sort of special treatment.

Harpie

stovelid wrote: »

The long-term spongers that were a segment of the 3-4% of the population who were unemployed.

There is close to triple that amount unemployed now.

Perhaps the OP can clarify what segment of the unemployed population the degree makes her/him better than, and we could divvy up the jobs that way?



You are likely to scram from the job the minute something better comes up. Why not give it to somebody more likely to stay?

FFS. I'll state it once again, I never implied that I am better than anyone else in my OP. I just want a fúcking job, and think that I should have as fair a shot at applying for one as anyone else. You say that I'd probably leave if something better comes up, obviously I won't argue with that. All anyone wants in terms of employment is the best opportunities they can obtain- but what's to say someone who is long-term unemployed, or recovering from addiction isn't going to up and leave at any time either?

Harpie

ronkmonster wrote: »

when was your last part-time job? any chance of going back there.

My last part-time job was over a year ago, I had to leave because I was commuting a fair distance to college so couldn't make it home in time to work evenings, intended to go back for last summer but they had nothing for me then either.

stovelid

TheZohan wrote: »

From my reading he's just looking for a level playing field and not to be discriminated againt because he has a degree stovelid.

Fair enough, but the field isn't level.

That's why people go and get degrees.

You don't hear people with no qualifications fulminating because they're frozen out of the qualified jobs market, do you?

People are quick enough to trumpet about the 'market'. In this case, the requirements are just in reverse.

Harpie wrote: »

You say that I'd probably leave if something better comes up, obviously I won't argue with that. All anyone wants in terms of employment is the best opportunities they can obtain- but what's to say someone who is long-term unemployed, or recovering from addiction isn't going to up and leave at any time either?

They're less likely to leave than you are.

You have a far better long-term chance of getting something OK, despite the horrible current predicament that the country is in.

And as for the current situation, why mention the degree to prospective employers at all? If it's not required /overqualified, they won't be impressed i the slightest and no doubt will think what I'm thinking.

As for my view, I'm only tetchy because of your OP. Or at least my take on it. I have every sympathy for somebody trying to find a job.

ronkmonster

might be worth checking up with previous places again. might be some way in with a summer job.

Harpie

ronkmonster wrote: »

so you have a non-skill based degree and you only had one place where you could get a job with said degree.

Well, me and the thousands of others still putting arts on their CAO. Postgrad is the only option really, feckin useless arts and humanities- but I think that's another thread in itself.

melekalikimaka

Harpie wrote: »

Well, me and the thousands of others still putting arts on their CAO. Postgrad is the only option really, feckin useless arts and humanities- but I think that's another thread in itself.

depends on what ya study... sometimes its helpful...90% its not tho.. unless you go into arts with a plan on the otherside... your pretty silly doing it, wasted years

Harpie

melekalikimaka wrote: »

depends on what ya study... sometimes its helpful...90% its not tho.. unless you go into arts with a plan on the otherside... your pretty silly doing it, wasted years

Tbh, I think I was too immature when deciding what went on the CAO, I put arts no1 "coz I didn't know what I wanted to do" I ended up getting the points to do primary teaching, which I'm not really interested in at this stage- but at least I would have had some career direction.

Professey Chin

RABBLE RABBLE!...jobs.....RABBLE..arts.....RABBLE.....junkies & wasters.......RABBLE.....something else.....RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!

ronkmonster

Harpie wrote: »

Well, me and the thousands of others still putting arts on their CAO. Postgrad is the only option really, feckin useless arts and humanities- but I think that's another thread in itself.

what are the options for arts degrees?

why would someone still put it down if there will be no jobs in that area in the future?

Harpie

ronkmonster wrote: »

what are the options for arts degrees?

why would someone still put it down if there will be no jobs in that area in the future?

A lot of people go into it with the view of doing a HDip after to do Secondary Teaching.

Other than that...civil service before the imbargo, and that's about it

ronkmonster

so other than teaching, there's little now

people need to start doing real degrees. something with an actual skill that employers look for.

would you go back and do something else? or is postgrad only option you'd consider.

Harpie

ronkmonster wrote: »

so other than teaching, there's little now

people need to start doing real degrees. something with an actual skill that employers look for.

would you go back and do something else? or is postgrad only option you'd consider.

Don't think I'd do an entirely new degree tbh, hopefully do a postgrad of some description, then either be very lucky with a job here, or go elsewhere to find something.

bleg

remember the jokes that were levelled against you for doing arts? they were truths

ronkmonster

if people want to do a HDip for teaching, they should have to do a non-arts subject first. at least then if they don't get the teaching job/course they have something to fall back on.

LouOB

Jaysus do we have to do EVERYTHING for you
1. Apply for jobs abroad as you have no ties here i.e. job, mortgage etc
2. If interested in teaching - teachers aid in Ireland or England
3. Assess what do you want to do? Then bridge the gap with education but see what experience/professional exams needed

You choose easy option - orts.

dollybird09

haha I couldn't help laughing at the response the OP got for venting frustration at not being able to get a job... I was just moaning about this earlier!!

I've just finished a 4 yr degree... not quite as bad as Orts though! Anyway I studied hard for 4 years, I have 2 years work experience in financial services..it was a pretty good role.. and now that I'm finished I cant get a job, the problem I face is that nowhere will employ me to do admin or call centre work or anything really because of my qualifications and experience. I've even been considering leaving my degree off my CV in an attempt to get work... dishonest/desperate??

I don't think OP was saying he has the right to a job before those who don't have a degree, just that it's frustrating and he's havin a good old moan!!

ronkmonster

you'd need to be able to say what you were doing for the 4 years.
don't think many people would like you saying you did nothing for those 4 years you leaveoff

Professey Chin

dollybird09 wrote: »

haha I couldn't help laughing at the response the OP got for venting frustration at not being able to get a job... I was just moaning about this earlier!!

I've just finished a 4 yr degree... not quite as bad as Orts though! Anyway I studied hard for 4 years, I have 2 years work experience in financial services..it was a pretty good role.. and now that I'm finished I cant get a job, the problem I face is that nowhere will employ me to do admin or call centre work or anything really because of my qualifications and experience. I've even been considering leaving my degree off my CV in an attempt to get work... dishonest/desperate??

I don't think OP was saying he has the right to a job before those who don't have a degree, just that it's frustrating and he's havin a good old moan!!

Which we have a ranting and raving forum for :cool:
Now get back to work...................or at least of the internets. Im gettin worried about you

kowloon

I doubt you would be much better off with any other degree at the moment to be honest. There aren't all that many jobs in any area, would suck to have a civil eng qualification right now.

Spudmonkey

Do engineering kids, it's everything it's cracked up to be!