For the n00bs (anyone else who's interested)

jtsuited

Right, I said on the Kitchen Sync that if we got this forum that I'd be willing to have all you techno degenerates out to mine for a few beers, biscuits and a sort of 'A track in a day' thing.
Basically I reckon this would be a good laugh:

I'll do a track start to finish on a Saturday (or Sunday), while everyone sits round drinkin, making suggestions, asking questions etc.

Sean has sat in with me before so he can probably tell ya if it'd be any use to ya.

Think I've got everything we need here (can move the setup to the living room for more space). If anyone would like to bring one of those projectors that'd be great.

T'would be an early start (we're talking a 9am job here), and I'm out in Maynooth (1 train journey from Connolly).
Thoughts?

VinylJunkie

Game ball once you don't have a secret basement with a lockable door :pac:

seannash

danm man id love to attend this thing.
i can safely say anyone interested in making tracks should attend this.youll learn a whole lot

BaZmO*

I'd definitely be into this

ZV Yoda

JT... I'd be very interested to see how techno tracks are put together. Even though our music is not really dance oriented (it's more standard pop/rock bass, drums, guitar), I'd def sign up for that if the dates suit. It's all music at the end of the day.

... and since you're in Maynooth, then we're practically neighbours anyway

Neurojazz

If your blessed with a Mac, can you record your talking through a headset and video of the screen? - i'd be able to host large files on a decent server (and even encode the file down if needed)

Just thought i'd ask as a lot of people won't be able to attend

seannash

Neurojazz wrote: »

If your blessed with a Mac, can you record your talking through a headset and video of the screen? - i'd be able to host large files on a decent server (and even encode the file down if needed)

Just thought i'd ask as a lot of people won't be able to attend

yeah theres screencapture software out there for this.go on jeff do it.
i might attend on skype or something

jtsuited

yeah cool. good to see interest for it anywho. thought i was gonna look like a weirdo on the internets!!

acman

Is this meeting just for Techno heads or would somebody thats into house / electro also be welcome / benefit from it?

Let me know, thx.

jtsuited

acman wrote: »

Is this meeting just for Techno heads or would somebody thats into house / electro also be welcome / benefit from it?

Let me know, thx.

yeah of course, everyone who has an interest is welcome. even if you're into hardcore breaks!:pac::pac:

acman

Awesome, thanks! Count me in then...

Have you decided which day yet? (I vote for Saturday if possible )

BaZmO*

I think Saturday is the only feasible day. I can't go during the week for obvious reasons and I ain't getting up that early on a Sunday!!

jtsuited

ooh i had an idea.

i'll give out the stems/tracks on dvd/usb sticks afterwards so people can bring them home, shove them into whatever sequencer they're using (cubase,ableton,logic, pro tools, whatever) and do their own mixes.

one of the main downfalls of people new to production is their mixing, and there's no point in working tirelessly on your first masterpiece to inevitably not do it justice when it comes to the final mixing. This way you'll have a bit of experience etc.

yeah/no?

acman

jtsuited wrote: »

ooh i had an idea.

i'll give out the stems/tracks on dvd/usb sticks afterwards so people can bring them home, shove them into whatever sequencer they're using (cubase,ableton,logic, pro tools, whatever) and do their own mixes.

one of the main downfalls of people new to production is their mixing, and there's no point in working tirelessly on your first masterpiece to inevitably not do it justice when it comes to the final mixing. This way you'll have a bit of experience etc.

yeah/no?

Hell yeah! Great idea...will be interesting to see how everyone will remix your track-in-a-day :-)

franklyshocked

i'd love to attend if possible. I don't use Logic yet so even seeing the techniques involved would be a benefit. I'd vote for a Sunday, as I'm sure none of us heathens are going to mass.

Zascar

Even though I know sod all about production I'd love to come along and observe - I've always been interested in the mechanics and would be interested to watch you guys work.

Also would be great to put a few faces to usernames after all this time!

BaZmO*

So it's sorted then. Party in Jeff's gaff!!!

jimi_t

What I think would be a bit of a laugh would be to have a 'popcorn' competition - everyone doing their own version.

You know, POPCORN - "doo doo doo do de da doo..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N4ckFN96-k

So you end up with a ton of different versions, like the 79 here
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2007/03/79_versions_of_.html

but NOT like the one here - check out 0:59, sounds like a tone deaf monkey trying to play Da Hool's 'Meet her at the love parade'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R63YwaS91E8

ICN

I've got the original (or just really old..) version on Vinyl.

Its very scuzzy & party worn at this stage. Pure filthy!

Popcorn by Hot Butter, or something I think it is. Great tune.

VinylJunkie

I vote for a Sunday!(After party post Sat night)

+ I work Saturday's but could try get a swap! Remember Slane is on the 20th.

jtsuited

BaZmO* wrote: »

So it's sorted then. Party in Jeff's gaff!!!

:pac::pac:
knew that would happen.

romarr

count me in ...

watch and learn ... the best way to learn !

taking tracks home to butcher them also tops

I got a projector to bring

splitrmx

Just make sure your contents insurance is up to date.

VinylJunkie

splitrmx wrote: »

Just make sure your contents insurance is up to date.

Your Bared

ED E

If I can I'd love to make it out. I've got enough gear now to get me started, and have done some messing around, but tbh I'm pretty much lost.

Its a bit of a trek out though. In any case, if I do manage to make it I could bring the handicam and a portable tripod. Its only gonna be DV res, but that'd be decent for the purpose. Only have a handfull of tapes though, would need more for a whole day, and load of up time.

jtsuited

Lethal_Bullet wrote: »

If I can I'd love to make it out. I've got enough gear now to get me started, and have done some messing around, but tbh I'm pretty much lost.

Its a bit of a trek out though. In any case, if I do manage to make it I could bring the handicam and a portable tripod. Its only gonna be DV res, but that'd be decent for the purpose. Only have a handfull of tapes though, would need more for a whole day, and load of up time.

good shtuff, was gonna ask if anyone was a budding video guy. we can do a sort of 'in the studio with....' thing like Future music do.

seannash

jtsuited wrote: »

good shtuff, was gonna ask if anyone was a budding video guy. we can do a sort of 'in the studio with....' thing like Future music do.

excellent

Helix

sounds fun, id be up for it

Nationalist

Where in Maynooth is your place? Shot in the dark, meadowbrook???

jtsuited

Nationalist wrote: »

Where in Maynooth is your place? Shot in the dark, meadowbrook???

nope. lived there years ago though.

Jev/N

Defo be interested, out of the country til the end of the month though. Finally getting around to starting some (basic) tracks!

acman

So when is this happening then? Can we get a date established?

jtsuited

i'm a bit busy for next few weekends so maybe 2nd weekend in july or around then?

acman

Sounds good to me!

disssco

I don't post much but I'd love to come along if nobody has any objections. This would really help me in my own production, which has somewhat stagnated in the beginner's phase.

jiltloop

I'd also be interested in this, hopefully it won't clash with work. Plus it would be handy for me as I live in Maynooth myself.

jtsuited

Right so, after a gentle nudge from Vinyl Junkie on saturday night I'm gonna try to organise this for sunday week (27th September). That suit anybody?

I can give lifts from the train station in maynooth if anyone's coming that way.

seannash

someone video the tips:)

jtsuited

seannash wrote: »

someone video the tips:)

haha, it would end up being 8 hours of me drinking tea and talking about sports. and a bit of music in between.:pac::pac::pac:

seannash

jtsuited wrote: »

haha, it would end up being 8 hours of me drinking tea and talking about sports. and a bit of music in between.:pac::pac::pac:

strong tea lots of milk.

do a demo on how to make a strong milky tea

then compress the hell out of the teabag

seannash

oh if you could talk about reverb.like not so much choosing the reverb but more about the attack,release etc of reverbs and what elements benefit from short reverb/long reverb.

obviously only if someones videotaping as i cant attend:(

VinylJunkie

Would be rude not to turn up after that mild push

romarr

aye ... I'll be there too... good stuff !

I'll be driving from town, i can give one other character a lift - let me know

edit: I can bring along a projector, if it's any use ?

zero19

Sounds interesting indeed

acman

Count me in! I'll bring the tea...:D

Zascar

Sound like fun, I might pop in for some tea and watch if that's cool...

Bobon

I would defo be interested in this. I will have to leave it late to confirm unfortunately. Fair play Jtsuited. You're a legend.

jtsuited

cool so we have enough people for next sunday. Consider it the official date.

I'm thinking set up in the kitchen/living room area, where I can fit about 8 people comfortably (probably more). I'm gonna try and keep to the fundamentals doing a track, so I'm only gonna use stuff people have, like logic's built in plugins (which are similar to most daw's default plugins), and a few ableton things (depending on what the most common setup for people there is).

For synthesis stuff, I'm going to actually use the Moog Modular as well, as I think that learning synthesis using modular stuff is actually the easiest way to get your head round it. Consider it the most basic synthesis primer ever made.

You might be thinking it's a bit odd that I take this time to teach all this stuff, but I really get a buzz out of sharing knowledge about this type of stuff with people who are passionate about music.

Hopefully I'm decent enough at teaching it, there are a few people here I've taught stuff to so they could probably comment further as to whether I am or not.

Ok, a few catches:

1. I'm not a very scientific guy. Well not when I'm making music, so be prepared for a good bit of fiddling around and very unscientific talk like 'yeah i'm feeling that now'.
It it sounds right, it is right.

2. I work fast. So take your eyes and ears off what's going on and you're likely to wonder wtf happened.

3. Taking things too seriously will not be tolerated.

4. Meticulous note-taking is seriously frowned upon. In fact I'd rather people didn't take notes at all. But some people find it makes them pay attention better, so whatever works fo ya.

5. I will give everyone who's coming some preparatory notes and links etc., just so they're not completely lost if they're total n00bs.

6. I am planning on giving one-to-one tutorials in the coming months, and only decided to do this lately so this is not a sort of 'introductory seminar - now sign up for next 6 months and get a free hat' type thing'.

If ya feel you'd like to do some lessons with me in the future, that's cool, and I'm still in the process of deciding what rates to charge (believe me it'll be the cheapest around by a long-shot).

7. Don't wreck the place.

8. PLEASE try and be on time on the day. I can't emphasise this enough. It most likely is gonna be a 9 or 10 am start so don't go on a mad one the night before.
It's gonna be a long day (most likely 9-9), but you'll learn loads.

9. Post in this thread if you are DEFINITELY coming.

10. Pm me if you have any questions. Everyone is welcome.

VinylJunkie

I'm a definite, although I don't think I could go 9-9 without taking notes.

splitrmx

What's for dinner?

Bobon

Jtsuited - I'm gonna have to pull out. This poxy HDip i'm doing is demanding too much time from me. :mad: I would definitely be interested in the near future as I have every intention of getting a mac and acquiring the holy grail that is Logic. Would be great to have a sit-down with you then.