Supplement Not Working - Need Other Suggestion

peterobraonain

Hi all,

Long time follower - first time poster.:D

Problem:
My Supplement isn't increasing my weight.

Background:
I'm 25, 5'7 and weight about 66kg (10.4Stone).
I train on weights about 4 times a week in my local gym.
Drink about 2litres of water a day and eat a good bit too.

I have tried BSN's True Mass Poweder Shake over the last month and a half but have seen no results - my weight has stayed steady.

My body type is that of someone who doesn't pile on fat regardless of how many pies are eaten!

I'm sure there is a more effective supplements out there.
Does anyone have any suggestions? Maybe a different brand I should look at?

Hope you can help!

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Typical Food for Day

Porridge
Brown Bread Sambo, Lettuce, Tomatoe,
Banana x 4
ProBiotic Yoghurt
Dinner of Potatoes, Beef, Veg
Apple, Banana mixed in with yoghurt
3 tins of Tuna
Egg with milk
Cheese

cardio,shoot me

Eat more! dont blame the supplements lol, If you arent gaining weight you arent eating enough, simple as really.

itsallaboutheL

How long have you been lifting for?

Parsley

Also, don't eat that much tuna. Mercury poisoning = bad.

O.P.H

I'm no expert but apparently using your weight you can calculate how much protein you need to eat daily to support muscle gain doing weights. You can get this protein from food and portein shakes. I'm like 175 pounds and I think the way it works is that I need to get 175 grams of protein daily. Somebody correct me here if I'm wrong.

But I reckon if you start doing this and then don't see improvements maybe you're training is wrong. Maybe your not lifting heavy enough, maybe your overtraining and not giving your body enough recovery time. I dunno

brianthebard

Is that one egg with milk? Try 4 eggs for starters, and two liters of milk a day.

rubadub

What exercises are you doing?

Have some peanut butter sandwiches on wholemeal bread. And nuts in general, raw & unsalted if you can, at least brush excess salt of ones if you must.

joepenguin

To answer your question on supplements there really isnt anything at the moment you could take. Most weight gainers are all the same providing its a good brand.

You need to bump up your calories. Basically more of what you are having. Id say around the 3,500 mark or a bit north of that maybe.

Have a look at the stickies to improve your nutrition. It looks along the right track but a little tweak here and there will be difference between no results and massive gains.

After you've that sorted you could look at other supplements when youve put on a few pounds.

floggg

GOMAD.

A gallon of milk a day, or as close to it as you can stomach and you should pile on a bit of mass.

slicus ricus

Potential reasons why you're not gaining weight:

1. You are not eating enough
2. Your training is not up to scratch
3. You havn't been training and eating right long enough to have made gains

Just out of interest, what exactly were you expecting from the supplement? Supplements are exactly what the name suggests, a supplement/addition to your diet; they are no magic formula.

accensi0n

I'm currently trying to gain weight. I weigh 66kgs at the moment as well. Up from 60kgs in January.

Currently doing a SS type routine.

Here's what I eat.

Porridge. Banana. Scrambled eggs with milk(3/4 full eggs)
Tin of tuna. Banana.
Chicken fillet, pasta and veg.
Chicken fillet and veg.
Steak and veg.

I'll drink 2-3 litres of a milk everyday and eat loads of almonds.

rubadub

Without actively weighing all your food you will have no idea how many calories you are taking in. Chickens, handfuls, tins, eggs, bananas etc can all can vary in size dramatically.

It would be like me saying "my car keeps running out of petrol, but I put loads in. But it keeps running out, where am I going wrong, I hold the petrol pump for what seems like ages, surely thats enough". If your car runs out of petrol surely this tells you that you are not putting enough fuel in it, same goes for your body.

Khannie

rubadub wrote: »

It would be like me saying "my car keeps running out of petrol, but I put loads in. But it keeps running out, where am I going wrong, I hold the petrol pump for what seems like ages, surely thats enough". If your car runs out of petrol surely this tells you that you are not putting enough fuel in it, same goes for your body.

Haha. Legend.

Degsy

peterobraonain wrote: »

Hi all,

Long time follower - first time poster.:D

Problem:
My Supplement isn't increasing my weight.

Background:
I'm 25, 5'7 and weight about 66kg (10.4Stone).
I train on weights about 4 times a week in my local gym.
Drink about 2litres of water a day and eat a good bit too.

I have tried BSN's True Mass Poweder Shake over the last month and a half but have seen no results - my weight has stayed steady.

My body type is that of someone who doesn't pile on fat regardless of how many pies are eaten!

I'm sure there is a more effective supplements out there.
Does anyone have any suggestions? Maybe a different brand I should look at?

Hope you can help!

==
Typical Food for Day

Porridge
Brown Bread Sambo, Lettuce, Tomatoe,
Banana x 4
ProBiotic Yoghurt
Dinner of Potatoes, Beef, Veg
Apple, Banana mixed in with yoghurt
3 tins of Tuna
Egg with milk
Cheese

How much do you deadlift/squat?

siochain

floggg wrote: »

GOMAD.

A gallon of milk a day, or as close to it as you can stomach and you should pile on a bit of mass.

+ the 4 eggs mentioned above including the crap in the weight gainers, check in for a cholesterol test in two weeks time and come back and let us know the results ; )

Try and aim for a balanced diet approach and avoid too much from one particular food group.

billyhead

peterobraonain wrote: »

Hi all,

Long time follower - first time poster.:D

Problem:
My Supplement isn't increasing my weight.

Background:
I'm 25, 5'7 and weight about 66kg (10.4Stone).
I train on weights about 4 times a week in my local gym.
Drink about 2litres of water a day and eat a good bit too.

I have tried BSN's True Mass Poweder Shake over the last month and a half but have seen no results - my weight has stayed steady.

My body type is that of someone who doesn't pile on fat regardless of how many pies are eaten!

I'm sure there is a more effective supplements out there.
Does anyone have any suggestions? Maybe a different brand I should look at?

Hope you can help!

==
Typical Food for Day

Porridge
Brown Bread Sambo, Lettuce, Tomatoe,
Banana x 4
ProBiotic Yoghurt
Dinner of Potatoes, Beef, Veg
Apple, Banana mixed in with yoghurt
3 tins of Tuna
Egg with milk
Cheese

Eat more:pac::pac: and you will see gains. It also takes time and lot sof paitience. Just make sure you eat lots of clean food (stay away from fast food and junk food) and lift heavy in the gym and you will get their. Its doens't happen over night i.e Rome wasn't build in a day:)

brianthebard

siochain wrote: »

+ the 4 eggs mentioned above including the crap in the weight gainers, check in for a cholesterol test in two weeks time and come back and let us know the results ; )

Try and aim for a balanced diet approach and avoid too much from one particular food group.

You'll probably see an increase in good cholesterol and a decrease in bad, due to the eggs.

itsallaboutheL

brianthebard wrote: »

You'll probably see an increase in good cholesterol and a decrease in bad, due to the eggs.

took the words outa my mouth

siochain

Now your having a laugh, lets take a look at the advice given above

BSN recommend to Drink 2-4 servings daily, each serving contains 5g of saturated fat , 110mg of cholesterol and contains the following diary products.

Hydrolyzed Whey Protein
Ultra-Filtered Whey Protein Concentrate
Microfiltered Whey Protein Isolate
Egg Albumen
Milk Protein Concentrate
Calcium Caseinate
Micellar Alpha and Beta-Caseins and Caseinates

A gallon of milk (3.25%) contains 73 grams of saturated fat and 392 mg of cholesterol
3 servings of the shake will add 15g of saturated fat and 330mg of cholesterol
4 Eggs, whole, cooked, hard-boiled, 100g serving gives 9g of saturated fat and 800mg of cholesterol

So based on the advice given to the op they would be consuming approx 188 grams of saturated fat and 1522mg of cholesterol and that’s with out taking the rest of the op’s diet into account. That’s over 5 times the RDI for cholesterol and saturated fat.

Plus getting a lot of their nutrition from one food group, dairy. That is not a healthy balance diet.

One good thing going for the BSN is it has zero trans fats.

The best question asked was

Degsy wrote: »

How much do you deadlift/squat?

I’m more in favor of increasing calories in an over all healthy balance diet and following an Olympic\power lifting training plan.

OP has not given details of current training routine including cardio which should be requested before any off the cuff advice is given : )

Good luck with weight gain OP.

ApeXaviour

The link between dietry cholesterol / saturated fat and fasting serum cholesterol is tenuous at best. There's a closer link to the insulin response (caused by eating a lot of sugar or refined carbs, leading to your liver producing a bugger load of cholesterol plaques). HDL is usually considered good, triglycerides and (some) LDL bad. A lot of eggs might indirectly raise your total cholesterol, but will increase the ratio of your HDL:triglycerides (a good thing). Also heavy lifting lowers ones LDL

So if you're deadlifting / squatting a lot, there's nothing unhealthy about consuming a half dozen eggs and 4 liters of milk per day. Especially if one is an ectomorph like the OP

Degsy

I'm not pissing on anybody's pararde here but i often see blokes in the gym buying supplements by the glass at 4.50 a pop and then spending the nest hour doing curls in front of the mirror.
In that case of course the supplements arent going to work,the only muscles being hit are the smallest and whose potential for growth is limited.
Unless you're doing serious,compound excercises you can forget about supplements completeley,

siochain

ApeXaviour wrote: »

The link between dietry cholesterol / saturated fat and fasting serum cholesterol is tenuous at best. There's a closer link to the insulin response (caused by eating a lot of sugar or refined carbs, leading to your liver producing a bugger load of cholesterol plaques).

Very true, other big factors include simple old genetics, some of us produce more natural cholesterol than others, some people can handle the oxidisation better than others, some people produce high levels of homocysteine which combined with high LDL is bad and one big marker for coronary heart disease that’s never checked by doctors is lipoprotein (a) levels.


I would be amazed if any cardiologist, dietician, nutritionist or doctor would recommend anyone to consume half dozen eggs and 4 liters of milk per day. That’s probably close to their total daily calorie requirement from one food group.

MagicMarker

Doctors/nutritionists etc wouldn't recommend eating 4000 calories a day either but people do it and much much more to bulk up.

Considering doctors regularly recommend lipotrim I would never really take anything they say too seriously.

Dan@IPG

save your money and drop the supplements.

so long as you are getting sufficient protein, what you eat is less important than how many calories you consume. if you have a hard time eating enough, drink milk, soda, beer wine, whatever.

how much do you deadlift/squat? seriously, who cares. what does your training look like? post it.

mloc

Well I'm no expert in nutrition (still working on my PhD) but the requirements of a lifter trying to put on weight and that of a sedentary individual are quite different.

The problem with RDAs, calorie guidelines etc. is that they are intended for the general populace and not for more active people. Additionally, much of public "knowledge" on healthy eating, including low fat, low cholesterol diets, is marketing taken too far.

d'Oracle

siochain wrote: »

food group.

I thought the whole "Food group/Five a day/ food pyramid" had long been proven to be Pseudo-scientific nonsense?

And that also the actual evidence that high Cholesterol levels is bad for you is absurdly overstated?

Oh and that exercise is one of the best ways to deal with cholesterol surplus?

This Eating right stuff sure is confusin'???