Crimecall double standards.

Highsider

Anyone see crimecall last night on RTE. They had an item on a shop down the country getting robbed by three Romanian Gypsies (read it in the paper while back) and they failed to mention the fact they where Romanian's at all in the show. You would think that this would help with inquiries into the robbery? For instance earlier in the show they had a piece on some scumbag who robbed a garage in Louth i think it was and they made a point of the fact he had a "strong Dublin accent" and rightfully so. In fact they regularly will describe the crimanals accent. Are RTE afraid of pointing out the fact the crime was commited by three Romanian's for some reason?

Rented Mule

How did they know that they were definitely Romanians ?

Did they show thier passports during the robbery ?

Highsider

Rented Mule wrote: »

How did they know that they were definitely Romanians ?

Did they show thier passports during the robbery ?

No they did'nt. Read the post before trying to be a smart arse :rolleyes:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Now, when you say "Romanian Gypsies" are you sure it wasn't "Roma Gypsies"?

if not, being factually correct would be a start before going to press.

Also, which paper were you reading? And how much of it did you believe?

Rabies

Those bloody turks.

Oh wait.

Damn it.

MarkN

It was pretty clear who they were and where they were from watching it.

They were fat and had big dresses on, usually a good guess!

ecom

i agree they definately looked like Roma gypsies.

musnt be confused with Romanians who are a lovely people!

Highsider

The Indo stated at the time the shopkeeper had noticed they had a Roma accent and looked like Roma. Hey maybe the shopkeep was lying and they where actually from Texas :rolleyes:

Sleipnir

MarkN wrote: »

It was pretty clear who they were and where they were from watching it.

They were fat and had big dresses on, usually a good guess!

Homer Simpson? Will that lovable scamp ever learn?

DonkeyStyle \o/

Highsider wrote: »

For instance earlier in the show they had a piece on some scumbag who robbed a garage in Louth i think it was and they made a point of the fact he had a "strong Dublin accent" and rightfully so.

How do they know he wasn't just affecting the accent to cover his tracks?
If I ever do an armed robbery, I'm laying on the thickest Cork accent I can get away with... referring to everyone as langer and bai.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

MarkN wrote: »

It was pretty clear who they were and where they were from watching it.

They were fat and had big dresses on, usually a good guess!

Why ow why are "yore ma" comments banned?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Highsider wrote: »

The Indo stated at the time the shopkeeper had noticed they had a Roma accent and looked like Roma. Hey maybe the shopkeep was lying and they where actually from Texas :rolleyes:

You do know Roma is entirely different from Romanian...?

Caoimhín

Rabies wrote: »

Those bloody turks.

Oh wait.

Damn it.

Roma gypsies, they are all from Rome.

The clue is in the name...

WindSock

Highsider wrote: »

The Indo stated at the time the shopkeeper had noticed they had a Roma accent

How would he hear their accent properly with a shrunken head?

WindSock

Caoimhín wrote: »

Roma gypsies, they are all from Rome.

The clue is in the name...

Romani gypsies are indo-european.

4zn76tysfajdxp

WindSock wrote: »

Romani gypsies are indo-european.

I'm into Europeans too, especially Italian girls. They're hot.

AnonoBoy

Caoimhín wrote: »

Roma gypsies, they are all from Rome.

The clue is in the name...

I heard it was the Roma football team what robbed the place. Probably Panucci or De Rossi (those lads are always getting up to mischief)

shqipshume

WindSock wrote: »

Romani gypsies are indo-european.

Romany are ethnic group with origins in South Asia who are widely dispersed with their largest concentrated populations in Europe, especially Central and Eastern Europe, with more recent diaspora populations in the Americas and, to a lesser extent, in North Africa and the Middle East.

Romany has nothing to do with Rome lol who said that,it is a word used to describe a gypsy;)

WindSock

Just looking at your wiki quote there, it seems there are Roma people too who are a subgroup of Romani & indo-european is a language. So there you have it :pac:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_(Romani_subgroup)

shqipshume

WindSock wrote: »

Just looking at your wiki quote there, it seems there are Roma people too who are a subgroup of Romani & indo-european is a language. So there you have it :pac:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_(Romani_subgroup)

I never said i didn't copy it:D
They are far from indo-european :Dofc they are gonna have a mix in there of indo European because they are gypsies and travel.Therefore indo European begins to mix in to their language a little.

biko

When in Rome/a

Kev_ps3

Crimecall trying to be PC:rolleyes:

ejmaztec

Never saw it, but was there any mention of the shopkeeper being threatened with a squeegee? That would have clinched it.

walshb

I agree with the OP. The programme can be so damn vague at times.

They leave out vital info and questions that really could help.
I know for certain security reasons, some info may be withheld, but
not all the time.

There was another case where a man followed a couple
home from a bank where they had withdrawn a large sum
of money. It shows the couple on CCTV
entering a house, must have been their house, and the man
walks into the house a couple of seconds after them and a couple
of seconds after this, he leaves with an envelope.

It never mentioned what happened in the few seconds while the man was
in the couples house. Did he challenge the couple and take the
envelope or did the couple leave the envelope down and the man
took it? All little bits of info can be important.

Crimecall leaves out some stuff that seems pretty obvious!

Rabies

Slightly off topic, but Crime Call? Is Crime Line gone?

Dyr

MarkN wrote: »

It was pretty clear who they were and where they were from watching it.

They were fat and had big dresses on, usually a good guess!

Does mary harney have an alibi?

Can you we come up with an generally accepted and accurate term for roma gypsies?


I can think of a few..:)

RaverRo808

I actually have nothing but pure hatred for the race of Roma gypsies,what an absolute horrible,useless,ugly,smelly,dangerous,stupid,burdon on the human race this collection are,If god created the world then obviously these were the left overs of a horrible diahorria iduced sh*t he/she had,Im gas chamber kinda hating these c*nts

General Zod

RaverRo808 wrote: »

Im gas chamber kinda hating these c*nts

Are you The_Citizen? Gas chamber? FFS, even for AH this is a new low.

RaverRo808

Ok maybe gas chambers a bit harsh,maybe some sort of flogging device or lethal injection perhaps???

dr.bollocko

RaverRo808 wrote: »

I actually have nothing but pure hatred for the race of Roma gypsies,what an absolute horrible,useless,ugly,smelly,dangerous,stupid,burdon on the human race this collection are,If god created the world then obviously these were the left overs of a horrible diahorria iduced sh*t he/she had,Im gas chamber kinda hating these c*nts

RaverRo808 wrote: »

Ok maybe gas chambers a bit harsh,maybe some sort of flogging device or lethal injection perhaps???

Banned

Highsider

RaverRo808 wrote: »

I actually have nothing but pure hatred for the race of Roma gypsies,what an absolute horrible,useless,ugly,smelly,dangerous,stupid,burdon on the human race this collection are,If god created the world then obviously these were the left overs of a horrible diahorria iduced sh*t he/she had,Im gas chamber kinda hating these c*nts

That's bang out of order

Dyr

RaverRo808 wrote: »

I actually have nothing but pure hatred for the race of Roma gypsies,what an absolute horrible,useless,ugly,smelly,dangerous,stupid,burdon on the human race this collection are,If god created the world then obviously these were the left overs of a horrible diahorria iduced sh*t he/she had,Im gas chamber kinda hating these c*nts

Things is there's different types of romas, not all are repugnant. We only really get the migratory scavenger type over here.

Mr.Lizard

RaverRo808 wrote: »

I actually have nothing but pure hatred for the race of Roma gypsies,what an absolute horrible,useless,ugly,smelly,dangerous,stupid,burdon on the human race this collection are,If god created the world then obviously these were the left overs of a horrible diahorria iduced sh*t he/she had,Im gas chamber kinda hating these c*nts

They're not all ugly. I remember once I was at the Eiffel Tower (aka Ground Zero for Roma begging) enjoying a can of beer and taking in the scene. This auld Roma hag came up me looking for a few quid. I told her to f-off and took another swig of my beer. She left and the another younger Roma came up and asked the same. Likewise I told her to f-off and took some more beer. Sure enough another even younger one comes up looking for cash but she get the f-off treatment too. *Then* this gorgeous stunning young gypo comes up with the same sobstory. By this point I could feel my resolve was starting to fail. Her stunning looks along with the attrition of this "audition process" and the fact that it was like encountering human version of a matryoshka doll had me in a state of confusion where the impulse to give them my change had by now grown strong.

Fortunately however by then I had finished my beer and was sick of looking at this giant metal eyesore so I moved on to Montmarte to spend my money on disease-riddled strippers.

Rented Mule

Bambi wrote: »

Does mary harney have an alibi?

Ever since she has been cutoff from her $400 haircuts (that she was strung out on) she has been having a hard time making ends meet.

...and I am not talking about the ends of her belt.

Guy:Incognito

ecom wrote: »

i agree they definately looked like Roma gypsies.

musnt be confused with Romanians who are a lovely people!

Are Irish travellers not from Ireland?

If Roma Gypsies have Romanian passports they are Romanian, end of.
This stupid nit picking and "look how ethnically aware I am" crap everytime this comes up is ridiculous.

General Zod

Stekelly wrote: »

Are Irish travellers not from Ireland?

If Roma Gypsies have Romanian passports they are Romanian, end of.
This stupid nit picking and "look how ethnically aware I am" crap everytime this comes up is ridiculous.

that's tehe point of the thread though, not all Roma carry romanian passports, plenty are from of Slovakia, Chech Republic, Bulgaria etc.

The people who robbed the shop on crimeline weren't flashing their passports at the time.

ejmaztec

General Zod wrote: »

that's tehe point of the thread though, not all Roma carry romanian passports, plenty are from of Slovakia, Chech Republic, Bulgaria etc.

The people who robbed the shop on crimeline weren't flashing their passports at the time.

Yep, some people just can't get it into their heads that they're not all from Romania. On the following link, the Canadians seem to be pissed off with a few thousand Roma "immigrants" and "asylum seekers" from several European countries, especially those from the Czech Republic.

http://www.canada.com/news/Canada+flooded+with+Czech+Roma+refugee+claims/1499804/story.html

PARIS — Immigration Minister Jason Kenney called Wednesday on the Czech government to crack down on unscrupulous operators believed to be behind a massive surge in the number of refugee claimants arriving at Canadian airports from that country.

The increase, believed to emanate from the minority Roma community, began in late 2007 when Canada lifted the visa requirement for Czech visitors to Canada.

There were 78 claims during the last two months of 2007, compared to none a year earlier.

In 2008, there were 853 Czech nationals seeking Canadian protection from alleged persecution in a European democracy, a staggering 993 per cent increase.

The Czech Republic has suddenly become one of Canada's top seven sources of refugees, ahead of war-and violence-stricken countries such as Iraq, Afghanistan, and Somalia.

"This is obviously a concern," Kenney told Canwest News Service, noting the Czech Republic must comply with human-rights requirements as a member of the European Union.

"Although, like every other democracy, it has its challenges and its shortcomings, it's hard to believe that the Czech Republic is an island of persecution in Europe."

Kenney said the Canadian government has no immediate plans to re-impose the visa requirement — a move almost certain to infuriate Czech authorities and citizens.

"We would like to maintain our visa exemption with the Czech Republic. At the same time, we are obviously concerned about the numbers of false refugee claimants."

He said he hopes Czech authorities, who are also anxious to retain visa-free status, do their part.

"If indeed there are commercial operations, I would hope the Czech authorities are able to identify those and crack down on them."

He also said Canada and the Czech Republic are looking at ways "to prevent people from abusing our very generous refugee determination system."

He noted that seven other eastern European and Baltic countries had their visa requirements waived in the 2007-08 period, and in no other case was there a refugee spike.

Several of those countries, including Slovakia and Hungary, have large Roma minorities.

The Roma, also known as Romany or Gypsies, face systemic discrimination and racist attacks from far-right groups, according to numerous human-rights reports. Critics, however, question whether their situation fits the United Nations definition of persecuted refugees.

Canada's Immigration and Refugee Board, an independent tribunal that assesses refugee claims, sent a fact-finding mission to the Czech Republic last month to help the board assess living conditions for Roma.

The matter represents one of the touchiest bilateral issues to be discussed when Prime Minister Stephen Harper meets with Czech leaders in Prague on May 6 for the Canada-European Union summit.

The Czech Republic holds the rotating EU presidency and is therefore hosting the summit at which Canada-EU free-trade talks are expected to be launched.

Many claimants are settling in the Greater Toronto Area, according to news coverage that has included a report in France's Le Monde newspaper earlier this week.

The Czech refugee claimants have so far had a 40 per cent success rate, with 84 claims being accepted last year, compared to five that were rejected, 11 abandoned, and 95 claims withdrawn.

The huge 2008 increase made the Czech Republic the seventh-largest source of refugee claimants in a year, in which 34,800 claims were filed.

Mexico, at 8,069, was far and away the top source country, followed by Haiti (4,936), Colombia (3,132) and China (1,711).

The board defines refugees as "people who have left their home country and have a well-founded fear of persecution" based on race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group.

Canada has shown in the past it's prepared to take firm action, lifting in the mid-1990s and then re-imposing the visa requirement a year later, after a flood of more than 4,000 Czechs, again mostly Roma, showed up during the visa-free period. At the time, a documentary appeared on Czech television, touting Canada as a promised land for Roma because of alleged easy access into the country and generous social programs after arrival.

A Czech government official said in an e-mail exchange Wednesday that there is "no reason to consider them refugees."

Foreign affairs ministry spokeswoman Zuzana Opletalova noted the government has a special office responsible for minority rights. The head of that office is in "permanent contact" with Canadian officials.

There have been a number of neo-Nazi and skinhead marches into Roma ghettos, including one earlier this month, and there have been reports of unauthorized sterilizations of Roma woman as recently as last year. Roma children are routinely segregated in classrooms and often put in schools for developmentally challenged children, a fate that ensures difficulty in the job market, and shuts the door on post-secondary education.
© Copyright (c) Canwest News Service

WindSock

Stekelly wrote: »

If Roma Gypsies have Romanian passports they are Romanian, end of.
This stupid nit picking and "look how ethnically aware I am" crap everytime this comes up is ridiculous.

Not really, it's so all Romanians don't get tarred with the same brush. Either way, awareness is better than ignorance.

Jumpy

Now we are talking about tarring Romanians. Thats a bit over the top isnt it? It has to be hot to be in fully liquid form, it could burn them badly.

AnonoBoy

General Zod wrote: »

The people who robbed the shop on crimeline weren't flashing their passports at the time.

That is a robbery technique that has sadly fallen by the wayside alright.

Caoimhín

WindSock wrote: »

Romani gypsies are indo-european.

Not true.

They are Romans who simply did not return after the Roman Empire fell.

Fact.

They also shrink heads, turn milk sour and can put a hex on your eldest child.

All facts.

Rabies

Caoimhín wrote: »

Roma gypsies, they are all from Rome.

The clue is in the name...

sometimes my sense of humour escapes me. I was jumping on the bandwagon

SEPT 23 1989

Hello Dave!!There was a block in your toilet, but it's o.k., I've fixed it now

Caoimhín

Rabies wrote: »

I was jumping on the bandwagon

Thats what bandwagons are for.

General Zod

Caoimhín wrote: »

Thats what bandwagons are for.

actually, they were for transporting bands. Back in the 80's it's how U2 got around the country before Charlie Haughey imported the first ever Motor Car.

Nelson Muntz

Was the weapon used an empty insomnia cup?

Instead of demanding money did they say pleeeeeese meeeeester!!

da_shivsta

Does Miriam Finnucane(how you spell that I don't know) still do Crimecall??? Or is it that one from Capital D now? I saw it once ages ago. Wasn't sure if she was just filling in.:rolleyes:

dsmythy

In general crimecall is pretty useless. They could of said that they are Roma gypsies but i think it was quite clear from the footage that is what they were.

Funniest part of all this is them asking if they recognise any of them. I doubt there's any Roma watching crimecall and i doubt any Irish people would know a gypsy well enough to identify them.

Dudess

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

You do know Roma is entirely different from Romanian...?

I'm guessing: no.

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Crimecall trying to be PC:rolleyes:

Or... it's pretty ****ing obvious they're Roma from the look of them, hence no need to spell it out - whereas a strong accent actually has to be described unless recorded. But oh no, it's the PC brigade - out to get the decent Irish who whinge about "what de Brits dun to us" then behave xenophobically towards migrants here... :rolleyes:

Stekelly wrote: »

Are Irish travellers not from Ireland?

Yes. And Roma gypsies are not just from Romania, but various countries throughout the world - Christ, no matter how many times that fact is spelled out for people here it just will not get through.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Dudess wrote: »

I'm guessing: no.

Or... it's pretty ****ing obvious they're Roma from the look of them, hence no need to spell it out - whereas a strong accent actually has to be described unless recorded. But oh no, it's the PC brigade - out to get the decent Irish who whinge about "what de Brits dun to us" then behave xenophobically towards migrants here... :rolleyes:

Yes. And Roma gypsies are not just from Romania, but various countries throughout the world - Christ, no matter how many times that fact is spelled out for people here it just will not get through.

Welcome back, you!

Crann na Beatha

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