unsportsmanlike conduct?

zuroph

One thing I noticed AGAIN in the match today, leicesters gloating and goading of players who had given penalties away, or sinbinned etc. The head rubbing, back slapping etc etc.

After seeing this from more and more english teams (as well as harlequins playing "so long, farewell" over the intercom) I think the ERC need to enforce the unsportsmanlike conduct rule and start issuing yellow cards to any player openly seen doing disgusting behaviour like this.

Or is it only a bit of fun and within the rules? opinions?

danthefan

Don't think it's worth a yellow card. You saw Stan getting a pat on the head as he went off, the only thing that's going to achieve is make Stan want to mince Castro.

Stev_o

It's sledging everyone does it in some form of manner. At the end of the day who cares? The players sure don't.

Ludo

Who cares....they lost!

thomond2006

Ludo wrote: »

Who cares....they lost!

Bingo. WHO GIVES 1000 ****S??

btw OP, you're dead right. Pretty bad form alright. Mostly Castro's doing.

zuroph

its unsporting though, and brings a very cynical element to the game. its not nice to see any players resorting to that sort of rubbish

toomevara

zuroph wrote: »

Or is it only a bit of fun and within the rules? opinions?

Ain't no choirboys playing rugby, all part of the modern,professional game (bemoan it if you will), but it's very tame compared to what goes in in proper rugby (thats League to the uninitiated)....it's psychological warfare, as integral a part of the game as the physical action on the field....Nothing wrong with it. just another arena of battle, another way of gaining an edge over your opponent...

Stev_o

zuroph wrote: »

its unsporting though, and brings a very cynical element to the game. its not nice to see any players resorting to that sort of rubbish

It happens all the time though whats the big deal, happens in League even more so and i have never heard anyone cry foul of it.

omb0wyn5ehpij9

zuroph wrote: »

its unsporting though, and brings a very cynical element to the game. its not nice to see any players resorting to that sort of rubbish

Let's not be silly about this. Before players were being patted on the back/head etc for giving away a penalty, it was still being done but you couldn't see it because it was all done with sly little comments. Nothing has changed, they have just made it more obvious

RHunce

its just a bit of friendly banter every team does it even leinster get over it op it comes with rugby

thomond2006

toomevara wrote: »

Ain't no choirboys playing rugby, all part of the modern,professional game (bemoan it if you will), but it's very tame compared to what goes in in proper rugby (thats League to the uninitiated)....it's psychological warfare, as integral a part of the game as the physical action on the field....Nothing wrong with it. just another arena of battle, another way of gaining an edge over your opponent...

No offence mate but,

RL forum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that way.

toomevara

thomond2006 wrote: »

No offence mate but,

RL forum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that way.

None taken!..exits stage left....;)

KevIRL

I thought the thumbs up Tipoki gave Dallaligo as he walked past him after he was binned against Munster last season was brilliant

zuroph

toomevara wrote: »

Ain't no choirboys playing rugby, all part of the modern,professional game (bemoan it if you will), but it's very tame compared to what goes in in proper rugby (thats League to the uninitiated)....it's psychological warfare, as integral a part of the game as the physical action on the field....Nothing wrong with it. just another arena of battle, another way of gaining an edge over your opponent...

see, this is a load of sh1te, its rotten rubbish. Rugby has a great name for itself, and fans never have to be segregated etc, but once the ERC start letting this stuff go unchecked, u get more stadiums copying what harlequins did, then the tension is risen between rival fans, and you won't like the way that goes. i know its only something small now, but its opening the game to a new dirty level that would ruin it if it spiralled. IMO it would be better to nip it in the bud now.

duckysauce

Castro is always at it very annoying , what does it achieve?

toomevara

zuroph wrote: »

see, this is a load of sh1te, its rotten rubbish. Rugby has a great name for itself,

Take your point, but RL has a much more robust attitude to this sort of thing and there's no fan segregation required...indeed in the millenium magic weekend you've got all 14 super league teams fans in the same stadium over a weekend with nary a whiff of trouble...unprecedented in the sporting world...

Stev_o

zuroph wrote: »

see, this is a load of sh1te, its rotten rubbish. Rugby has a great name for itself, and fans never have to be segregated etc, but once the ERC start letting this stuff go unchecked, u get more stadiums copying what harlequins did, then the tension is risen between rival fans, and you won't like the way that goes. i know its only something small now, but its opening the game to a new dirty level that would ruin it if it spiralled. IMO it would be better to nip it in the bud now.

Didn't see you post the same problem when Munster fans cheer Dallaglio off the pitch when he was binned last year. Everyone does it, no one really cares, life goes on.

andyman

Stan should have gone over to the Leicester bench and waved at him.

It's sledging. It happens all the time in all forms of sport.

zuroph

toomevara wrote: »

Take your point, but RL has a much more robust attitude to this sort of thing and there's no fan segregation required...indeed in the millenium magic weekend you've got all 14 super league teams fans in the same stadium over a weekend with nary a whiff of trouble...unprecedented in the sporting world...

ah yeah, but only toffs and wags watch that rubbish.

i just think it takes from the friendly sporting nature of the game, which is one the best things of the sport.

zuroph

Stev_o wrote: »

Didn't see you post the same problem when Munster fans cheer Dallaglio off the pitch when he was binned last year. Everyone does it, no one really cares, life goes on.

fans can do what they want, its the players and the stadium management that shouldnt be involved in it. I posted on it after the harlequins game,and after seeing the sh1te leinster had to put up with today, im posting on it again. its thuggish stuff. and just because it happens in other sports doesnt make it right. that being said, if you touched a premiership soccer player like that, he'd be down on the ground rolling around, so u never see the physical contact side of it there.

Chucky the tree

zuroph wrote: »

see, this is a load of sh1te, its rotten rubbish. Rugby has a great name for itself, and fans never have to be segregated etc, but once the ERC start letting this stuff go unchecked, u get more stadiums copying what harlequins did, then the tension is risen between rival fans, and you won't like the way that goes. i know its only something small now, but its opening the game to a new dirty level that would ruin it if it spiralled. IMO it would be better to nip it in the bud now.

It's professionalism, it's to be expected. The gap in teams in terms of ability is so narrow that players need to try all kinds of tactics to try and gain an edge. I dont have a problem. Also, usually the player who's getting his back slapped for giving away a peno is the one who's been running his mouth throughout the game etc.

duckysauce wrote: »

Castro is always at it very annoying , what does it achieve?

Quite alot, especially when you target players with a questionable temperment. If I was a leinster player I'd straight into a player like Julian white's ear and doing all sorts to wind up him so he'll flip his lid and doing something stupid.

toomevara

zuroph wrote: »

ah yeah, but only toffs and wags watch that rubbish.

lol, touche!!!!

Orizio

I'm inclined to agree with the threadstarter, the lack of respect for opposition players from both the players and fans alike isn't acceptable, isn't dignified and should be frowned upon in any sport.

I know 'sledging' has been around for decades but simply treating acts of sportsmanship with a shrug doesn't benefit the sport - it will likely get worse until the game of rugby descends into a joke sport like soccer.

blinding

zuroph wrote: »

see, this is a load of sh1te, its rotten rubbish. Rugby has a great name for itself, and fans never have to be segregated etc, but once the ERC start letting this stuff go unchecked, u get more stadiums copying what harlequins did, then the tension is risen between rival fans, and you won't like the way that goes. i know its only something small now, but its opening the game to a new dirty level that would ruin it if it spiralled. IMO it would be better to nip it in the bud now.

I am very surprised that the rugby authorities have let it get this bad.

It is a terrible example to young people watching the game.
Many people would not like their children to play a game where grown up men act in such an immature manner.

Daroxtar

toomevara wrote: »

Ain't no choirboys playing rugby, all part of the modern,professional game (bemoan it if you will), but it's very tame compared to what goes in in proper rugby (thats League to the uninitiated)....it's psychological warfare, as integral a part of the game as the physical action on the field....Nothing wrong with it. just another arena of battle, another way of gaining an edge over your opponent...

League?? Thats that american football imitation thingy without any helmets or tactics isn't it?

Its ridiculous.

Doc got a penalty revered for this during the six nations.If they are going to punish for this they need to be fair across the board and they are not.

A few penalties today should have been reversed for leicester players acting the bollix.

danthefan

I watched it again, I'm not 100% sure Castro was sledging Stan as he went off. Stan really nailed Castro a minute earlier and he even gave Castro a pat on the back as he was going off.

Panda Moanium

The RTE commentary reckoned that he apologised to Castro as he went off...

Fishtits

Why don't we let some air out of the ball to make it softer while we're at it?

:rolleyes:

I can't remember the last time a player was injured due to a pat on the back... as for the verbals... maybe you trained in a different set-up than me

blinding

This immature behaviour is what you would expect from soccer players.

If that is the way some rugby supporters want then so be it.

I am used to better from rugby players and would like it to continue.

aya14

This topic interested me so I sent a text to a mate who plays with Shannon and Munster(development). Asked him his opinion he reckons its gonna creep in more and more and nothing can be done about it.
The Guinnes Premiership is a money monger and stadia try keep fans money coming through the gates. Now I took this to mean the G.P is all about crowd attendances and tv revenue so they'll encourage fans anywhich way they can, including goading opposite teams (hence the 'Quins loudspeaker etc.).
My mate also said re the player slapping opponent on the back, that its largely down to whats being said down the bottom of a ruck or up the top of a lineout.

toomevara

aya14 wrote: »

The Guinnes Premiership is a money monger and stadia try keep fans money coming through the gates. Now I took this to mean the G.P is all about crowd attendances and tv revenue so they'll encourage fans anywhich way they can,

Whereas the Magners League and the HEC is an amateur love-in run only for the love of the game and played by gentlemen amateurs in long shorts and flat caps:rolleyes:...what errant nonsense... Rugby Union is a professional sport, as such its all about the financial bottom line for both clubs and the respective competitions they play in. Every single club competition in the world would give its eye teeth for GP attendances/profile and its associated structure....

Unlike most contributors on here I attend GP games regularly and the standard of play and sportmanship is of a very high order and certainly in no way inferior to the ML and the HEC...

justsomebloke

ah it's an professional sport. The aim is to win, not to be a good sportsman. Leinster players should be conditioned and trained to know and accept that this is going to happen and not to react to it.

that said all the Leicster fans shaked my hand on the way out and congradulated me so that was good. However I now have the mother of all hangovers now

Killme00

zuroph wrote: »

One thing I noticed AGAIN in the match today, leicesters gloating and goading of players who had given penalties away, or sinbinned etc. The head rubbing, back slapping etc etc.

After seeing this from more and more english teams (as well as harlequins playing "so long, farewell" over the intercom) I think the ERC need to enforce the unsportsmanlike conduct rule and start issuing yellow cards to any player openly seen doing disgusting behaviour like this.

Or is it only a bit of fun and within the rules? opinions?

I think you should carefully remove your tampon. Phschological warfare is a part of every game, anything you can do to bring your opponent out of their game (in every sport) is an advantage to you.

Serenity Now!

duckysauce wrote: »

Castro is always at it very annoying , what does it achieve?

It unnerves players who are thin-skinned. Quinlan and Leamy do it all the time. Contepomi does it.
Dont know what all the fuss is about.
Its an easy bet to say that no-one complaining about it here has ever been in a professional high-intensity all-or-nothing game with such a profile so its quite trite to be giving out about sledging. Behaviour like that of the Bourgoin team the night before is unacceptable. Sledging is not. Its part of the game. Always has been and always will be.

RHunce

duckysauce wrote: »

Castro is always at it very annoying , what does it achieve?

a psychological upperhand over the opponent

NickNolte

It's not *that* big a deal in itself. As long as it stops at that. If rugby develops an ugly, unhealthy side to it and players start to exploit all the holes in the law that they can to get an advantage (diving, screaming at the ref, etc) then I'll find another sport to follow.

blinding

Its the thin end of the wedge.
Penalties(or penalty reversals) and yellow cards would put an end to it.

You would soon see a teams supporters wrath turn on the idiot that performs such childish behaviour.

Peter B

Priscilla Nutty Thunderbolt wrote: »

Its ridiculous.

Doc got a penalty revered for this during the six nations.If they are going to punish for this they need to be fair across the board and they are not.

A few penalties today should have been reversed for leicester players acting the bollix.

I was thinking while reading through this thread, what is the solution? It cannot be up to the officials to start dealing more yellow cards out because one player makes fun of another player being binned. But maybe this is a solution. The yellow card remains but the penalty is reversed. That would be fair.

The only thing I would worry about is the player not being sent off saying a "friendly comment" to the player being sent off and it being seen as a taunt or "slag". For example if one player got sent of for repeated hands in the ruck and when being yellow carded an opposition player says "hard luck", how does a referee see this? As a taunt or friendly comment?

I feel the only solution is for clubs to clamp down on this and encourage their players not to do it which is difficult enough in itself!

Depp

stop bitching its just somethaing that happens, learn to deal with it or just f*** off.
its all about having a physical and phsycological advantage over your opponent.

NickNolte

Depp wrote: »

stop bitching its just somethaing that happens, learn to deal with it or just f*** off.

No. I won't. Some of us are allowed have opinions about players off-the-ball conduct. You want a psychological advantage over your opponents? Play f**king rugby.

Depp

Sorry im just in a bad mood today

zuroph

Depp wrote: »

Sorry im just in a bad mood today

this way ----> :pac:

Amabokke

zuroph wrote: »

One thing I noticed AGAIN in the match today, leicesters gloating and goading of players who had given penalties away, or sinbinned etc. The head rubbing, back slapping etc etc.

After seeing this from more and more english teams (as well as harlequins playing "so long, farewell" over the intercom) I think the ERC need to enforce the unsportsmanlike conduct rule and start issuing yellow cards to any player openly seen doing disgusting behaviour like this.

Or is it only a bit of fun and within the rules? opinions?

:rolleyes: Typical Irish supporter, cry over someone pointing something negative out of the Irish squad rather than enjoying the win!

Mr Clonfadda

Panda Moanium wrote: »

The RTE commentary reckoned that he apologised to Castro as he went off...

Thats why I can never listen to RTE.

It is always annoying when its against your team. I thought Penalty should of been reversed but at the same time I love the picture of Lawrence being Yellow Carded in Thomond (its my screen saver)

It shouldn't be let get out of hand though

zuroph

Amabokke wrote: »

:rolleyes: Typical Irish supporter, cry over someone pointing something negative out of the Irish squad rather than enjoying the win!

I can enjoy the win, I'm still allowed talk about the sport in general afterardxs though

NickNolte

zuroph wrote: »

I can enjoy the win, I'm still allowed talk about the sport in general afterardxs though

Do not feed obnoxious Saffa troll. Better yet, do what I did and add to ignore list.

jtsuited

simple solution really. yellow card an offending player. shouldn't be tolerated. one of the greatest things about rugby is the lack of this socceresque childish behaviour.

it still amazes me that in such a fantastically, physically confrontational sport that the referee is spoken to in such a gentlemanly manner by the players in the heat of battle. and long may it continue.

anonymous_joe

jtsuited wrote: »

simple solution really. yellow card an offending player. shouldn't be tolerated. one of the greatest things about rugby is the lack of this socceresque childish behaviour.

it still amazes me that in such a fantastically, physically confrontational sport that the referee is spoken to in such a gentlemanly manner by the players in the heat of battle. and long may it continue.

Which is worse, diving or punching someone on the bottom of a ruck?

Seriously, it's bullshít to talk about some perceived moral superiority, rugby's rife with sledging and sneaky behaviour.

Stev_o

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Which is worse, diving or punching someone on the bottom of a ruck?

Seriously, it's bullshít to talk about some perceived moral superiority, rugby's rife with sledging and sneaky behaviour.

Don't forget the many gouging, dangerous tackles and everyone's favourite punching someone in the face while your team mates hold him down.

zuroph

Stev_o wrote: »

Don't forget the many gouging, dangerous tackles and everyone's favourite punching someone in the face while your team mates hold him down.

all actions which recieve severe punishment if caught. There's the difference.