motor tax on a twin cab hilux

jwshooter

i was thinking of importing a hilux twin cab 06/07 .

I'm told i have to have 3 employees to tax in commercial.

i am driving commercial 4x4 for the last 12 or more years.

does any one have some facts on this many thanks

bushy...

Would it be good to make the point of you are trying to eliminate the possibility of 3 lads squeezing themselves into a 2 seater ( on days you're not around etc ) ?

macadam

Just got the form from my local tax office, i have an 08 navara crew cab and it states that you must be an employer with amin of 3 employees, and the vehicle must only be used in conjunction with your work.

The garda when filling it in said its been inforced as its defrauding the state.

jwshooter

is there a loop hole in this i know a good few lads that dont have employees that drive crew cabs on commercial tax.

Farls

I have an 08 L200 crew cab taxed commercial with no problems at all, it was part of the reason I bought it! No mention of employee's or any of that other rubbish when I was taxing it or getting the guards to sign it off the road for a month or two when I got it re-registered.

niceirishfella

Any CCab I've seen is on commercial tax..........them all in fact.

PanhardPL

niceirishfella wrote: »

Any CCab I've seen is on commercial tax..........them all in fact.

I have been told that the Traffic Corps are now stopping crew cabs at weekends and if they are being used for social and personal use with family members on board, then they are in trouble. Crew cabs on commercial tax can only carry employees in connection with business, usually monday/friday.

jwshooter

PanhardPL wrote: »

I have been told that the Traffic Corps are now stopping crew cabs at weekends and if they are being used for social and personal use with family members on board, then they are in trouble. Crew cabs on commercial tax can only carry employees in connection with business, usually monday/friday.

that could be said for my disco and every van in the country .

PanhardPL

jwshooter wrote: »

that could be said for my disco and every van in the country .

Its the fact that crew cabs are fitted with rear seats, which is not the case with a commercial disco.

Farls

PanhardPL wrote: »

I have been told that the Traffic Corps are now stopping crew cabs at weekends and if they are being used for social and personal use with family members on board, then they are in trouble. Crew cabs on commercial tax can only carry employees in connection with business, usually monday/friday.

Evidence please.

Farls

Wexford Coco is the only place I've found anything about this. Tax office I went too never informed me of this doc or anything about private tax!

PanhardPL

Farls wrote: »

Evidence please.

You have the evidence yourself from Wexford and you can take it that within a short space of time, similar declaration forms will be required by all Motor Tax offices. Its also very clear that a crew cab on commercial tax can only be used for business and not private use. I understand that the Traffic Corps in the Dublin/Kildare area have been stopping and checking same for quite some time.

Farls

PanhardPL wrote: »

You have the evidence yourself from Wexford and you can take it that within a short space of time, similar declaration forms will be required by all Motor Tax offices. Its also very clear that a crew cab on commercial tax can only be used for business and not private use. I understand that the Traffic Corps in the Dublin/Kildare area have been stopping and checking same for quite some time.

Motor tax legislation is not something that is 'eased in' with a few counties leading the way so I wouldn't go by your short space of time notion there. Motor tax is country wide and the problem is that some parts of the country are more stringent on compliance with these laws than others!

Slidey

Farls wrote: »

Wexford Coco is the only place I've found anything about this. Tax office I went too never informed me of this doc or anything about private tax!

This, if implemented, is going to put the cat amongst the pigeons.

A lot of families use these crew cabs every day of the week.

I have some sympathy for these people who road tax is gonna triple. Wait 'til someone rings Joe Duffy complaining about it. :eek:

Farls

Slidey wrote: »

This, if implemented, is going to put the cat amongst the pigeons.

A lot of families use these crew cabs every day of the week.

I have some sympathy for these people who road tax is gonna triple. Wait 'til someone rings Joe Duffy complaining about it. :eek:

To be honest slidey I don't think its going to be a problem, the same people will tax their crew cabs privately and the rest will tax them as commercials. I can only see this law being enforced when the garda/traffic core are either bored or want to get someone. Sure they can't even keep the VRT evaders under wraps!

On a side note a lot of dealers advertise crew cabs to the general public on the basis of 'cheap tax' and there is no mention of employees or business hour usage!

Slidey

You would be surprised how tight some people are and the length they will go to to get cheap tax.

I know a guy who extended the rear floor of his Toyota Amazon jeep so it could be classed as a crew cab. This same chap is a millionaire many times over.

Farls

Haha I know rightly! Lad up here in Letterkenny done similar with a Navara to get it cleared for 50 euro and he owns his own business up here...those that have money keep it...its the rest of us edjets that throw it away!!

foxhunter

I live in wexford and I own a L200 Crewcab I've had it 3 years now and I've never been asked for any employees names or rsi numbers.
The reason is because I've had it before the new restrictions came in but if I changed tomorrow I know for a fact I would have to supply the details of employees.
I personally know to people this has happened to in the last 12 months one of them had no problem giving the details but the other had to put the jeep in someone else's name to get the commercial tax.
In Wexford they will also ask for a vat number to tax a commercial crew cab If you have only bought it in the last year or so.

jwshooter

are were the only county this is happening in .
i know a lad from laois that bought a crew cab a few month ago he has no business or employees and the cops stamped the deceleration form for him to say he wanted for commercial use.

Farls

jwshooter wrote: »

are were the only county this is happening in .
i know a lad from laois that bought a crew cab a few month ago he has no business or employees and the cops stamped the deceleration form for him to say he wanted for commercial use.

From what I am hearing its yourselves and Offaly that are being stringent! Simple answer...tax your vehicle in another county.

macadam

All co co tax offices are issuing the crew cab declaration form when tax is due.

I use my crew cab a navara for work and for my own leisure ie shooting going to football or golf , but this form says i can only use it for work and carry my employees.

If I am at work and need to view a job can I take a client with me for lunch ? will he be covered if any accident occurs.

Can this be challenged as it discrimation, I also have a crew cab transit but this is not subject to the same criteria, very fecking puzzling.

L-M

If they do bring this in, I think it's about time.

Why should anyone get cheap tax, for something they will never use for business use? There is a reason for commercial tax, and if you're not using it for your business, then pay the tax + vrt of a normal 2.5 of whatever, just like the rest of us have to.

Something that has been overlooked for too long IMO.

macadam

Limerick man, i would say 99% of crew cab owners are using it for work, but i also use it at weekends for my leisure driving , what am i to do buy another car just to drive on sundays.
They should bring in a law that when you buy a crew cab it can only be registered in acompany or business name.

I am going to see a legal expert on this as its total discrimination and was not mentioned when i bought the navara last year and paid €39k for it.

L-M

macadam wrote: »

Limerick man, i would say 99% of crew cab owners are using it for work, but i also use it at weekends for my leisure driving , what am i to do buy another car just to drive on sundays.
They should bring in a law that when you buy a crew cab it can only be registered in acompany or business name.

I am going to see a legal expert on this as its total discrimination and was not mentioned when i bought the navara last year and paid €39k for it.

Aye but they were supposed to be soley work vehicles. Ie. that's why you get the cheap tax and cheaper VRT.

Slidey

macadam wrote: »

Limerick man, i would say 99% of crew cab owners are using it for work, but i also use it at weekends for my leisure driving , what am i to do buy another car just to drive on sundays.
They should bring in a law that when you buy a crew cab it can only be registered in acompany or business name.

I am going to see a legal expert on this as its total discrimination and was not mentioned when i bought the navara last year and paid €39k for it.

You have a fair point about your own personal circumstances but I would disagree that 99% of people have them for business use.

I see an awful lot of them every week and most are not registered to companies and you see a good few with baby seats etc in them which obviously are just used for domestic/pleasure purposes

Farls

Most tax offices don't issue these declaration forms I think you will find. If they did then there wouldn't be so many crew cabs on commercial tax in private use.

If you have somebody other than an employee in your vehicle at the weekend and it is insured then your covered in the case of an accident. Your insurance is a totally separate matter to your tax. Ie. you can tax it commercially but insure it privately etc.

It is a sort of 'loop hole' in the system but in fairness it's one I don't think they are going to get sewn up. For instance say your a farmer with no business number, no employee's but use your crew cab as a commercial vehicle for your livelihood 24/7...surely you can't be made pay private tax?

What if your do have your own business but only have 1 or 2 employee's? In this day and age I don't think they can take more money of anyone trying to run a business no matter how small.

As for 99% of people having them for business use I highly doubt it, more like 60/70% I would say at a very rough guess.

On a side note macadam...you paid 39k for a new navara?? :eek:

jwshooter

i would want for business as a stonemason carrying tools pulling trailers and at times a few lads .

on the weekend i want if for shooting dogs and wet gear .

Farls

PanhardPL wrote: »

I have been told that the Traffic Corps are now stopping crew cabs at weekends and if they are being used for social and personal use with family members on board, then they are in trouble. Crew cabs on commercial tax can only carry employees in connection with business, usually monday/friday.

Say the guards do stop a man about his business with a young one sittin on, on a saturday night and the vehicle happens to be commercially taxed. What law are you breaking? You weren't made aware of any declaration forms or asked for employee prsi numbers when you taxed it. And the guards even signed the vehicle of the road for you for a month or two with no questions?

The vehicle is taxed so they can't do you for no tax, so what can they do you for?

L-M

Farls wrote: »

Say the guards do stop a man about his business with a young one sittin on, on a saturday night and the vehicle happens to be commercially taxed. What law are you breaking? You weren't made aware of any declaration forms or asked for employee prsi numbers when you taxed it. And the guards even signed the vehicle of the road for you for a month or two with no questions?

The vehicle is taxed so they can't do you for no tax, so what can they do you for?

They can do you for taxing it and vrting it commercially, and then using it outside of business hours/use.

I'm sure they are slowy bringing this law in, I don't know about how they can implement it straight away without fore warning. It's like the L drivers thing, the law was there the whole time for a full licence driver, but it was never enforced.

Farls

Limerick man wrote: »

They can do you for taxing it and vrting it commercially, and then using it outside of business hours/use.

I'm sure they are slowy bringing this law in, I don't know about how they can implement it straight away without fore warning. It's like the L drivers thing, the law was there the whole time for a full licence driver, but it was never enforced.

You can ONLY vrt a crew cab at the 13.3% rate there is no other option unless you manage to sneak it in for 50 euro!

As for tax and business hour use I was unaware of the private option until this thread!! The idea behind business hour use is a joke anyway. I'd be interested to see what a guard comes up with if he stops me for this unknown offence.

L-M

Farls wrote: »

You can ONLY vrt a crew cab at the 13.3% rate there is no other option unless you manage to sneak it in for 50 euro!

And what's the point of a crewcab?

Farls

Limerick man wrote: »

And what's the point of a crewcab?

Your question makes no sense to me? What your saying is that a crew cab should ONLY be used as a commercial vehicle?

L-M

Well yes, unless you tax it privately.

What are crewcabs? Well they are made to hold a minimum of one driver and three passengers (ie. More than a van), and with a storage area separated from the cab. Crew cabs are made to carrying goods, and as long as you do your doe etc. it can be taxed commercially.

By law, the carriage of passengers in a crew cab vehicle is only legal during the time in which they are working, ie. paid, not going to or coming from work. If a crew cab is used in any other way, then the passeneger tax rate is payable.

It's simple, they are only for commercial use. You bought one, you knew there was commercial tax on it, and if you didn't read the ins and outs of it, well that's tough on yours behalf.

Slidey

If you are not going to use exclusively as a commercial vehicle than maybe you should have to pay tax based on your cc/co2 just like cars or passenger jeeps.

If they force people to tax these vehicles privately then who is going to test them?

The DOE cannot test a privately taxed vehicle and the NCT currently wont test privately taxed vans..

jwshooter

i made a call this morning on it ,if you have it for 3 years and get stopped they will look for back tax and vrt on it

Owen

Limerick man wrote: »

They can do you for taxing it and vrting it commercially, and then using it outside of business hours/use.

When I drove vans, I would regularly get stopped on a saturday night and tormented by the Gards about this. The simple answer to shut them up was that I'm on call 24/7, and on my way to do a job. They can't refute it if you're business hours are non-standard.

L-M

ned78 wrote: »

When I drove vans, I would regularly get stopped on a saturday night and tormented by the Gards about this. The simple answer to shut them up was that I'm on call 24/7, and on my way to do a job. They can't refute it if you're business hours are non-standard.

Aye, and you are bringing the family with you and the weekends luggage? If you can show you're on call 24/7, then fair enough.

Farls

Limerick man wrote: »

Well yes, unless you tax it privately.

What are crewcabs? Well they are made to hold a minimum of one driver and three passengers (ie. More than a van), and with a storage area separated from the cab. Crew cabs are made to carrying goods, and as long as you do your doe etc. it can be taxed commercially.

By law, the carriage of passengers in a crew cab vehicle is only legal during the time in which they are working, ie. paid, not going to or coming from work. If a crew cab is used in any other way, then the passeneger tax rate is payable.

It's simple, they are only for commercial use. You bought one, you knew there was commercial tax on it, and if you didn't read the ins and outs of it, well that's tough on yours behalf.

What your saying is right to a certain extent but as with most things in Ireland it makes no sense that you pay commercial VRT on a private vehicle?

Is it ok if I buy say a ford transit and tax it commercially and use it privately?

I think where your going there with 'they are only for commercial use' is well off track though. If thats the case then what use is cruise control, sat nav, mp3 player, leather seats, iso fixing for baby seats in the back etc??

I knew they could be taxed privately or commercially at the time of buying but my point was in the tax office there was no mention of any of this and they taxed it commercially for me, and that was only 2 months ago!

Farls

jwshooter wrote: »

i made a call this morning on it ,if you have it for 3 years and get stopped they will look for back tax and vrt on it

Who did you call?

The rate of VRT applicable to Category B vehicles, subject to a minimum VRT of €125, is 13.3% of the Open Market Selling Price (OMSP).

And thats from the VRT website so are they going to make up a figure for these vehicles? Crew Cabs are listed as Category B vehicles full stop. Private or commercial use does not come into play here.

As for back tax, how is that going to work...they refund what you have paid and re-tax it then correctly? Surely you would have to be fined for not being taxed and possibly have the vehicle seized?...:pac:

L-M

Farls wrote: »

What your saying is right to a certain extent but as with most things in Ireland it makes no sense that you pay commercial VRT on a private vehicle?

I'm not too sure on that, but AFAIK if you bring it in and want to tax it privately, more VRT may be payable on it. I'm not sure though, I'd have to ring the VRO.

Is it ok if I buy say a ford transit and tax it commercially and use it privately?

No, why would it be?

I think where your going there with 'they are only for commercial use' is well off track though. If thats the case then what use is cruise control, sat nav, mp3 player, leather seats, iso fixing for baby seats in the back etc??

Creature comforts, of a high spec model. Maybe the company wants the employee to have comfort on his/her travels? You can buy basic spec Navara's etc., and a Defender crewcab doesn't even come standard with a radio.

I knew they could be taxed privately or commercially at the time of buying but my point was in the tax office there was no mention of any of this and they taxed it commercially for me, and that was only 2 months ago!

It's like anything, if you are paying commercial tax, you know well you are avoiding something. If you knew they could be taxed privately, and you would be using it for some private use, why didn't you tax it privately?

I'm not having a go at you here, it's just this law was there the whole time and just never enforced. It's like the Learner driver thing, it was always there and never enforced. Then they went mad and enforced it, people caused an up roar "Oh how am I supposed to get to work", pass your test, that's how you'll get to work. It's the same thing with the crewcabs, if they even do buckle down on it.

Farls

Limerick man wrote: »

I'm not too sure on that, but AFAIK if you bring it in and want to tax it privately, more VRT may be payable on it. I'm not sure though, I'd have to ring the VRO.

Rang Monaghan there and as usual no answer! I would highly doubt if you ask to VRT it 'privately as a Category A vehicle' that they will be able to accommodate that. Doubt it was thought of when the system was put in place.

Limerick man wrote: »

No, why would it be?

Because its basically the same thing...commercial tax used in a private manner.

Limerick man wrote: »

Creature comforts, of a high spec model. Maybe the company wants the employee to have comfort on his/her travels? You can buy basic spec Navara's etc., and a Defender crewcab doesn't even come standard with a radio.

Or perhaps crew cabs are being aimed at the private market?

Limerick man wrote: »

It's like anything, if you are paying commercial tax, you know well you are avoiding something. If you knew they could be taxed privately, and you would be using it for some private use, why didn't you tax it privately?

I use it as much commercially as I do privately, why would I tax it privately? Just so as to pay more tax? Some might ask me if I had it taxed privately and used it 1 day a week commercially why didn't I tax it commercial?

Limerick man wrote: »

I'm not having a go at you here, it's just this law was there the whole time and just never enforced. It's like the Learner driver thing, it was always there and never enforced. Then they went mad and enforced it, people caused an up roar "Oh how am I supposed to get to work", pass your test, that's how you'll get to work. It's the same thing with the crewcabs, if they even do buckle down on it.

I know your out to get crew cab drivers as a whole, not just me . It's like the new fine and points for no NCT...it will have to be proven in court.

I actually know a Seargeant with a Nissan Navara taxed commercially.

L-M

Farls wrote: »

Because its basically the same thing...commercial tax used in a private manner.

Exactly, that's why you can't do it.

Or perhaps crew cabs are being aimed at the private market?

Maybe they are, so private market = private tax. Very simple.

I use it as much commercially as I do privately, why would I tax it privately? Just so as to pay more tax? Some might ask me if I had it taxed privately and used it 1 day a week commercially why didn't I tax it commercial?

You tax it privately for the reason I said above. If you use it outside of business hours at all, you are supposed to tax it privately. That's why, it's the law.

I actually know a Seargeant with a Nissan Navara taxed commercially.

I know a guard who speeds the whole time, big whoop!:p

Farls

Limerick man wrote: »

Exactly, that's why you can't do it.

It's being done left right and centre though, a few years ago when building was going well every apprentice in the land had a van taxed commercially for work and her shined up to the last for the weekend!

Limerick man wrote: »

Maybe they are, so private market = private tax. Very simple.

You tax it privately for the reason I said above. If you use it outside of business hours at all, you are supposed to tax it privately. That's why, it's the law.

It's the law? What law states this exactly?

The reason I pointed out the Sergeant with the Navara taxed commercially was to highlight that if its the law then how come he doesn't abide by it, surely there is no excuse that a guard could have to tax a vehicle commercially?

Your reference to a guard speeding is a bit tit for tat now, there is plenty excuses they could use for that.

At the end of the day it doesn't really make any difference what the arguments are like I said before a few people will tax their vehicles privately and the rest of us will go with the commercial option and happily so

L-M

Farls wrote: »

It's the law? What law states this exactly?

The Law :P wrote:

Taxation of Crew Cabs

Normal goods or commercial vehicles can only have two/three seats in the front of the vehicle and the rest of the vehicle is for goods carriage only. There is one exception to this rule and this is when the vehicle is used as a Crew Cab. A Crew Cab is a commercial vehicle that is not only used for goods carriage, but also for transport of employees to and from jobs\sites etc.

The carriage of passengers is permitted in a crew cab provided they are employed by the registered owner of the vehicle, the carriage takes place during the course of their employment (only during the time they are paid, not going to or coming from work unless it forms part of the paid working day) and the vehicle is ordinarily used for the conveyance of goods and employees in the course of trade or business.

A crew cab comprises of a cab with seating for a driver and a minimum of 3 passengers and a maximum of 6 passengers. The cargo area to the rear of the cab is completely separated from the cab by a partition, which is permanently fixed. Crew may be taxed as a goods vehicle provided all the necessary requirements are submitted i.e. weight docket, pass statement, crew cab declaration etc.

Applicants should be made aware that if the crew cab is used in any situation other than the above then the higher rate of tax is payable(private). If an applicant wishes to convert the body type on a van from 'van to 'crew cab' he/she should contact the Revenue Commissioners as additional VRT may be payable in this case.

The requirements for taxation a crew cab at the goods rate are similar to those required for the taxation of normal goods vehicle except for the following:

* If a vehicle has been converted to a crew cab it will need to be inspected by an official form the Motor Taxation Section if the applicant intends on taxing the vehicle at the goods rate.
* Applicants are required to complete a “Crew Cab Declaration Form” on the first taxing of the vehicle or on the renewal of taxation following a change in ownership.

Documentation required for first time taxing of a crew cabs at the goods taxation class

* Form RF100. In the case of a new vehicle this document is received by the customer from the garage of purchase, for imported vehicles from the Revenue Commissioners. If the owner does not have a RF100 than a RF100A form can be used.
* Confirmation of current insurance details
* Appropriate Fee
* A weight docket. See weight docket notes
* Goods only declaration is the unladen weight of the vehicle is 1524kg or less
* Certificate of Roadworthiness, if applicable
* Crew cab declaration form

Documentation required for first time taxing of a crew cabs at the private taxation class

* Form RF100. In the case of a new vehicle this document is received by the customer from the garage of purchase, for imported vehicles from the Revenue Commissioners. If the owner does not have a RF100 than a RF100A form can be used.
* Confirmation of current insurance details
* Appropriate Fee

Documentation required when renewing motor tax of a crew cab at the goods taxation class

* Computerised reminder - Motor Tax Renewal Form RF100B - this is the reminder form received from the Vehicle Registration Unit approximately 2 weeks before the tax on the vehicle expires

or

* A fully completed Motor Tax renewal application - Form RF100A should be used in any of the following circumstances:
o For vehicles with an arrears period
o Where the computerised reminder - Form RF100B has not been received, from the Vehicle Registration Unit.
o When there is a period of non-use being declared
* Certificate of Roadworthiness, if applicable.
* Crew cab declaration form. Applicants are require to complete a crew cab declaration form on the first taxing of the vehicle, or on the renewal of taxation following a change in ownership

A goods vehicle only requires a CRW once it has been registered for one year or more i.e. once a vehicle is a year old it requires a CRW

Once tested a Certificate of Roadworthiness lasts for a period of one year.

.

Farls

Where did you get that? The revenue website or off a county council site?

Thats not 'the law' thats nothing more than a set of guidelines. Where does it say 'under road traffic act ...' etc??

There is so many holes in that document that I don't where to start!!

And it leads back to the problem Slidey mentioned about the DOE won't certify a private vehicle and the NCT won't test a van!

peasant

This being Ireland, the tax advantge of commercial over private tax has been abused for decades with all kinds of vehicles and every legal body has turned a blind eye most of the time.

Now the system is in a mess.

Simple solution:

Tax all vehicles private or commercial to the same standard and then allow genuine businesses a way to claim the difference back through their accounts (which also shows the number of emplyees, for the crew-cab question)

Now imagine the outcry if that was pulled off :P

Farls

peasant wrote: »

This being Ireland, the tax advantge of commercial over private tax has been abused for decades with all kinds of vehicles and every legal body has turned a blind eye most of the time.

Now the system is in a mess.

Simple solution:

Tax all vehicles private or commercial to the same standard and then allow genuine businesses a way to claim the difference back through their accounts (which also shows the number of emplyees, for the crew-cab question)

Now imagine the outcry if that was pulled off :P

A plausible solution but one that steps on far too many toes, I think you started off the post with what will always be the outcome, 'This being Ireland'

L-M

Farls wrote: »

Where did you get that? The revenue website or off a county council site?

Thats not 'the law' thats nothing more than a set of guidelines. Where does it say 'under road traffic act ...' etc??

There is so many holes in that document that I don't where to start!!

And it leads back to the problem Slidey mentioned about the DOE won't certify a private vehicle and the NCT won't test a van!

From the revenue site,
http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/it/leaflets/benefit-in-kind/private-use-vans.html

And search crewcab here,
http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/it/leaflets/benefit-in-kind/private-use-cars.html

Farls

Limerick man wrote: »

From the revenue site,
http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/it/leaflets/benefit-in-kind/private-use-vans.html

And search crewcab here,
http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/it/leaflets/benefit-in-kind/private-use-cars.html

Like it says on the links...leaflets, thats all that is. Something for an accountant to work with. I'm on about the charges a guard will take you up on when he stops you, I highly doubt he's going to start quoting the revenue website to you. :pac:

foxhunter

And it leads back to the problem Slidey mentioned about the DOE won't certify a private vehicle and the NCT won't test a van![/QUOTE]


Since the new penalty points system was brought in a few weeks ago for not having an nct or a cert of roadworthyness all the doe centres down this way are flat out testing small car vans that were in limbo because the nct wouldn't test them and you didn't need a doe on them either.
So now if you want a doe on virtually anything it can be done as far as I can see anyway.

Farls

foxhunter wrote: »

And it leads back to the problem Slidey mentioned about the DOE won't certify a private vehicle and the NCT won't test a van!

Since the new penalty points system was brought in a few weeks ago for not having an nct or a cert of roadworthyness all the doe centres down this way are flat out testing small car vans that were in limbo because the nct wouldn't test them and you didn't need a doe on them either.
So now if you want a doe on virtually anything it can be done as far as I can see anyway.

Thats a DOE though for a commercially taxed vehicle...what happens to a privately taxed commercial vehicle that the NCT centres won't entertain? A DOE is completely different test to an NCT. In effect they are pushing people to tax their vehicles commercially so as to have them tested and save a possible 1500 euro fine and 5 pen points!