Its probably been asked before...!

StinkyMunkey

But which class do you find the hardest to kill. Ive a lvl 75 hunter, who ive never did much PvP with, so he gets ganked by pretty much everyone. But with my vl 69 DK http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bloodfeather&n=Stinkymunkey who is tricked out ok. I find pala's are the hardest to kill hands down. They can put out insane amounts of damage, and pretty much top most bg's im in. But saying that, 1 on 1 without without anyone else around, i still fair pretty well against them.

Sometimes warriors can cause me a bit of trouble, if their geared out right. But 95% of the time, i win hands down.

Blowfish

Well as I clothie, I'd say Rogues. They've so much control that it's difficult to go on the offensive against them.

cian1500ww

I don't really PVP much but from what I've seen so far pali's are right up there at the top.

StinkyMunkey

When i did do PvP on my hunter, i found myself nearly being instagibbed by rogues. For them, most hunters are an easy kill. But with a DK, unless there is 2-3 well specced, i just laugh and wait for stun to wear off, turn around and frag em. The only problem a have with rogues when on a DK, is trying to snare them long enough to hit em a couple of blows, which usually kills em. Unless your playing Alterac with 40 horde v 20 ally, i usually wade through all classes on my DK, with the exception of pala's ofc.

Nehaxak

Druids, without a doubt. To be more specific, well geared healing Tree's.
The other night in EoTS, 7 (yes seven) Horde were trying their best to kill a single Druid. No such luck, honestly like it was rediculous. Ok my Mage has no pvp gear but has 2k spellpower and 20k mana - I ran out of mana trying to kill the Druid with the other 6 horde :mad:

Guess that kind've sealed it for me and why I rolled a NE Druid tonight (Refer a Friend so it'll help to 60), they're just unbeatable in PVP.

Remember a couple weeks back, was dueling a mate in the old guild, well geared healing Druid. After eventually throwing everything I could at him, I had him about 20% and he was running out of mana. He goes in Druid flight form and flew off, laughing...Bastard !

Davaeo09

You can go flight form in combat?

Nehaxak

I didn't think so either, that's what surprised me the most. Unless you still can't and he done something that put him out of combat for a moment. Thought that was really overpowered though if it is the case. Duel was at the stone around EoE if that made any difference at all.

Anti

on my warrior paladins and mages were always my downfall, but now with shattering throw it helps alot, but a well played one will still make bits of me. On my priest... Well pretty much everything really as i still need to l2p pvp as shadow... and holy... oh and disc.

yhwh

Great, I'm levelling up a NE Druid at the moment so this is music to my ears

That said any class is lethal in the right hands, I think it has more to do with the player's skill then what class they are. Although good gear does help

Blowfish

Resto Druids are definitely great tanks in pvp, but the problem is they can't actually kill anything. If I'm up against one, it's just a matter of wearing them down. It'll take forever mind, but they'll go down eventually.

Dustaz

Davaeo09 wrote: »

You can go flight form in combat?

No you can't, but you can run off a little bit till combat drops and then instant flight form. L2Duel :P

To the OP, its a bit academic talking about pvp at lower levels as anyone higher level than you will kill you and you will kill anyone lower level (with certain exceptions).

For example, i dont think i was succesfully ganked at all whilst levelling a prot war and a spriest, with both classes i could easily deal with DK's and Pallys. Now at level cap and with gear coming into play, both are not-so-great at pvp.

Berns

Blowfish wrote: »

Resto Druids are definitely great tanks in pvp, but the problem is they can't actually kill anything. If I'm up against one, it's just a matter of wearing them down. It'll take forever mind, but they'll go down eventually.

Dueled one a while ago on my Blood DK, god musta been there for like 10 mins near each other bein topped up by talents & spells. I'd just accepted to kill time while waitin on group bein formed tbh. Got army of dead out and basically killed him with that when the group was ready but was frustrating not bein able to take each other down much without that.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

I find paladins and death knights to be the hardest... Paladins just bubble and heal and have insane damage too. DK's don't seem to die either with some decent damage too.

Other classes like resto druids or resto shamans can be very difficult to kill, but they won't be hurting you either.

Nehaxak

Playing my DK, the hardest class to kill before they kill me is a skilled Mage.

I tend to pvp in my tanking gear and spec rather than my pvp gear. At least it takes a fair few Alliance to bring me down. Dunno what it is with Resillience, I know I don't have enough of it (720 or so on my DK in pvp gear) but PVE gear seems to benefit me more.

I don't play Arena as I think it's sucks balls but there ye go.

Am in process of re-rolling an Alliance Druid anyway so won't be pvp'ing much at all anymore until I hit 80 - and then sure I'll get a complete kit of pvp gear from honour points in probably 2 days as Alliance just doing AV.

StinkyMunkey

Nehaxak wrote: »

Druids, without a doubt. To be more specific, well geared healing Tree's.
The other night in EoTS, 7 (yes seven) Horde were trying their best to kill a single Druid. No such luck, honestly like it was rediculous. Ok my Mage has no pvp gear but has 2k spellpower and 20k mana - I ran out of mana trying to kill the Druid with the other 6 horde :mad:

Guess that kind've sealed it for me and why I rolled a NE Druid tonight (Refer a Friend so it'll help to 60), they're just unbeatable in PVP.

Remember a couple weeks back, was dueling a mate in the old guild, well geared healing Druid. After eventually throwing everything I could at him, I had him about 20% and he was running out of mana. He goes in Druid flight form and flew off, laughing...Bastard !

I never really have much problems with druids, i know the can soak up alot of damage and keep healing, but i can put out a fair amount of damage. Mind you this is at lvl 69 in bg's. God knows what it will be like when i eventually decide to lvl up to 80 on my DK.

sunzz

It really depends on what you're talking about.

1v1 duels, or an arena based 2v2 match.

I don't understand all this hype about tree form druids, then again I do run frost with stupidly good gear and the sigil from xt (Yes I'm Lucky) Btw I play dk/druid in 2v2
I can kill a druid in a strangulate, how?

Focus dg into hungering cold when hes got about 3/4 seconds of life bloom left.
Obviousliy you will have a Killing machine + cinderglacier proc up + deathchill, with my gear this means my next 2 frost strikes are crits, normally about 7+k on druids, you just leave him in the hungering cold until hots roll off, strangulate him and 2 shot him
4 frost strikes unloads for about roughly 20k, sometimes ALOT more if the 3rd or 4th proc, this + a we bit added pressure with ur partner = dead druid.

In a duel a REALLY REALLY wp ret paladin is the hardest to kill, I don't stand a chance versus any frost mage with a brain, it all differs for the class you play.

But people moaning about druids are playing it all wrong

Nehaxak

sunzz wrote: »

But people moaning about druids are playing it all wrong

Don't see any moaning about Druids, merely answering a question asked.

Care to post a fraps or otherwise of you taking out a well geared and skilled Druid Tree so fast ? I find it very hard to believe.

Ivan

sunzz wrote: »

It really depends on what you're talking about.

1v1 duels, or an arena based 2v2 match.

I don't understand all this hype about tree form druids, then again I do run frost with stupidly good gear and the sigil from xt (Yes I'm Lucky) Btw I play dk/druid in 2v2
I can kill a druid in a strangulate, how?

Focus dg into hungering cold when hes got about 3/4 seconds of life bloom left.
Obviousliy you will have a Killing machine + cinderglacier proc up + deathchill, with my gear this means my next 2 frost strikes are crits, normally about 7+k on druids, you just leave him in the hungering cold until hots roll off, strangulate him and 2 shot him
4 frost strikes unloads for about roughly 20k, sometimes ALOT more if the 3rd or 4th proc, this + a we bit added pressure with ur partner = dead druid.

In a duel a REALLY REALLY wp ret paladin is the hardest to kill, I don't stand a chance versus any frost mage with a brain, it all differs for the class you play.

But people moaning about druids are playing it all wrong

Oh wow, Frost in Arenas I never would have seen that coming :rolleyes:

Dont mind Sunzz Nexhaxak, s/he is very sensitive when it comes to Death-Knights.

Nehaxak

Aye

Could someone explain though the point of gem'ing Spell Penetration instead of other gems ? I've particularly seen this among a few DK's that play Arena.
I understand it lowers resistance of who you are using it against, I get that, but, would it not be better to gem something else instead of spell penetration gems ?

Any significant benefits to gemming spell penetration instead of say 16 Str gems ? or 24 Stam ?

Ivan

Because a resisted deathgrip, strangulate or Hungering Cold at the wrong time will cause a loss more often than the strength those slots, would give.

And you only need ~160 penetration to overcome the resists they are aimed at i.e. Druids with Mark of the Wild.

Nehaxak

Ok, that sounds fair enough I guess, cheers.

sunzz

I'm a he thanks ivan, on the other hand you cant claim fame to frost in arena when it FINALLY becomes viable 7months after release, kk check sk top 100 its still unholy that's the most used spec, only because of low frost strike sigil drop but hey you know best.....

Nehaxak, I cant fraps im sorry i have a terrible pc, barely get 60fps in wow
http://www.arenajunkies.com/streams/
on that site there is plenty of frost dks who stream with druids who have the sigil, one in particular is senoj, 2800 rated, watch him 4 shot druids he runs EXACTLY the same gear in arena as i do.

focus death grip druid with a low time on hots left, hungering cold, wait for hots to roll off, your druid cyclones the dps if he trinkets, strangulate, frost strike, frost strike, frost strike, frost strike, with a bear bash thrown in for good measure, when the first 2 strikes are 7k+ crits believe me thats a dead druid. thats with sigil and wrathstone

115 spell pen is enough running anything more is retarded as you get virulence. 160 lal. I'll teach you about dk's if you want ivan just gimme a holler

Nehaxak

Well I'll hope that sigil drops for me then Non slackers from old guild setup a new guild and we're only doing Ulduar 10 atm. As we're also short on tanks, I'm tanking Not doing too bad though at all.

Ivan

sunzz wrote: »

I'm a he thanks ivan, on the other hand you cant claim fame to frost in arena when it FINALLY becomes viable 7months after release, kk check sk top 100 its still unholy that's the most used spec, only because of low frost strike sigil drop but hey you know best.....

Nehaxak, I cant fraps im sorry i have a terrible pc, barely get 60fps in wow
http://www.arenajunkies.com/streams/
on that site there is plenty of frost dks who stream with druids who have the sigil, one in particular is senoj, 2800 rated, watch him 4 shot druids he runs EXACTLY the same gear in arena as i do.

focus death grip druid with a low time on hots left, hungering cold, wait for hots to roll off, your druid cyclones the dps if he trinkets, strangulate, frost strike, frost strike, frost strike, frost strike, with a bear bash thrown in for good measure, when the first 2 strikes are 7k+ crits believe me thats a dead druid. thats with sigil and wrathstone

115 spell pen is enough running anything more is retarded as you get virulence. 160 lal. I'll teach you about dk's if you want ivan just gimme a holler

Just because you are discovering Frost spec 4 months after the pros, doesnt mean I wasnt right

But fair enough, you know best

and mneh, 115 spell pen. I dont play a DK much, I certainly dont arena as one... so I dont mind being wrong, especially when I have you to come along and correct me afterwards... all it takes is a little dig about frost and you come running

sunzz

shows how exciting your life is if you feel the need to post on a forum not visited by many in an attempt to get a response from one person, but meh!

you cant CANT say frost was the viable spec, it hasn't been a viable pvp spec until it got a SIGNIFICANT buff, its still not viable without the sigil as ANY dk will tell you over at junkies.

Take a look at the number of glad dks that ran 17/54 last season as shadowfrost.....thats a primary talent pool of unholy btw.

But yea, of course 99% of those dk's were wrong and you who doesn't play a dk much nor pvp as one know ALOT more than all of them, you should put your ego aside and stop talking about things you know very little about.

http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings/5v5/Death%20Knight/
http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings/2v2/Death%20Knight/
http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings/3v3/Death%20Knight/
That's this season with unholy being terrible compared to last,
fair enough, you know best

magilly

Yeah ****ing nelfs and there stupid stealth thing puts them out of combat with no global cooldown so druids usually have it macro'd to flightform = instant getaway. really.... really anoying when you try to get one in world pvp.

Davaeo09

Dustaz wrote: »

No you can't, but you can run off a little bit till combat drops and then instant flight form. L2Duel :P

To the OP, its a bit academic talking about pvp at lower levels as anyone higher level than you will kill you and you will kill anyone lower level (with certain exceptions).

For example, i dont think i was succesfully ganked at all whilst levelling a prot war and a spriest, with both classes i could easily deal with DK's and Pallys. Now at level cap and with gear coming into play, both are not-so-great at pvp.

That wasn't mentioned in the above dialogue. L2 troll.
Oh and i should be a capital :P
If your going to insult make sure your ready for a retaliation

magilly

BTW, deathknights are a **** easy class, wish people would stop talking as if they actually require skill to get high ratingzzzzzzz......

incubus

Davaeo09 wrote: »

That wasn't mentioned in the above dialogue. L2 troll.
Oh and i should be a capital :P
If your going to insult make sure your ready for a retaliation

oh dear

sunzz

magilly wrote: »

BTW, deathknights are a **** easy class, wish people would stop talking as if they actually require skill to get high ratingzzzzzzz......

Care to shed light on how they're an easy class to faceroll to high ratings or do you just want to keep plucking stuff from above the blue yonder?

Dustaz

Davaeo09 wrote: »

That wasn't mentioned in the above dialogue. L2 troll.
Oh and i should be a capital :P
If your going to insult make sure your ready for a retaliation

Eh, what?

If you're going to try to flame, try being clearer about what you are flaming about.

Edit: Oh, is it about the NE shadowmeld? Yeah, I forgot about that. So did you clearly.

BTW: It's "You're" not "your". Also, in that context "a retaliation" is incorrect. "A retaliation of massive proportions" would be correct, but in this case a simple "retaliation" will do.

Berns

When did english classes get moved to WoW Forum :rolleyes:

bla

when the grammar police took over control :P

Dustaz

Hey, If you're going to attack someones use of english on a bulletin board, You really gotta get your own house in order first

StinkyMunkey

magilly wrote: »

BTW, deathknights are a **** easy class, wish people would stop talking as if they actually require skill to get high ratingzzzzzzz......

All depends on who is using one. Any class can be easy, if your specced out right. Granted some more than others. Ive never used a pally, but they seem to bulldoze through BG's.

cian1500ww

I wouldn't say DK's are that easy of a class, and I wouldn't say there overpowered either, in fact I was quite dissapointed that they couldn't really match a good pally.

sunzz

People talking about pvp on this thread need to stop

you're making my eyes bleed.

Ivan

sunzz wrote: »

I'm a he thanks ivan, on the other hand you cant claim fame to frost in arena when it FINALLY becomes viable 7months after release, kk check sk top 100 its still unholy that's the most used spec, only because of low frost strike sigil drop but hey you know best.....

Nehaxak, I cant fraps im sorry i have a terrible pc, barely get 60fps in wow
http://www.arenajunkies.com/streams/
on that site there is plenty of frost dks who stream with druids who have the sigil, one in particular is senoj, 2800 rated, watch him 4 shot druids he runs EXACTLY the same gear in arena as i do.

focus death grip druid with a low time on hots left, hungering cold, wait for hots to roll off, your druid cyclones the dps if he trinkets, strangulate, frost strike, frost strike, frost strike, frost strike, with a bear bash thrown in for good measure, when the first 2 strikes are 7k+ crits believe me thats a dead druid. thats with sigil and wrathstone

115 spell pen is enough running anything more is retarded as you get virulence. 160 lal. I'll teach you about dk's if you want ivan just gimme a holler

You are correct and I was wrong, for the most part. In my defense I dont play a DK, I dont want to play a DK and I base all my information from 2nd hand sources. I feel I've been pretty clear from that respect. I have never said that you were wrong or that my view is the only valid one (at least to my knowledge).

In my defense, however, the aspects of the frost spec that I saw as being overpowered were in common use by several of the Top 2v2 and 3v3, who were running their 115 spell pen for several weeks and clearing up. Myself and my friend did similar and cleared up in places where we had no business being competitive. Then Blizzard nerfed several of the key talents in those builds and naturally everybody, including the top Tier arena teams, went back to what was viable. Which is what you linked there.

Now, to be fair. I was wrong in my dig up there - but only because I was originally right

So with that in mind, I am sorry for trolling you. But I'm not sorry for being right.

DapperGent

Ivan wrote: »

Oh wow, Frost in Arenas I never would have seen that coming :rolleyes:

Dont mind Sunzz Nexhaxak, s/he is very sensitive when it comes to Death-Knights.

Seriously you mod this forum, is there any way you could avoid being needlessly confrontational?

sunzz

Ivan wrote: »

You are correct and I was wrong, for the most part. In my defense I dont play a DK, I dont want to play a DK and I base all my information from 2nd hand sources. I feel I've been pretty clear from that respect. I have never said that you were wrong or that my view is the only valid one (at least to my knowledge).

In my defense, however, the aspects of the frost spec that I saw as being overpowered were in common use by several of the Top 2v2 and 3v3, who were running their 115 spell pen for several weeks and clearing up. Myself and my friend did similar and cleared up in places where we had no business being competitive. Then Blizzard nerfed several of the key talents in those builds and naturally everybody, including the top Tier arena teams, went back to what was viable. Which is what you linked there.

Now, to be fair. I was wrong in my dig up there - but only because I was originally right

So with that in mind, I am sorry for trolling you. But I'm not sorry for being right.

I'm sorry but do you just speak out of your arse on a 24/7 basis....
NO-ONE NO-ONE NO-ONE bar maybe < 1% of the dk population played frost last season, it was WORSE last season than it is now the reason SOME dk's are doing stupidly well with it is because of the sigil, FACT! if you took the time to actually research anything about pvp you would see the cries for the sigil to be nerfed to the ground, Im sorry but being 1800 odd is NOT a flattering rating.

The argument in question is, on the first week of arena you were on here telling us all how you talked to two dk friends of yours both of whom had vastly superior knowledge than ANYONE on this board (I lold) who were saying how frost was going to be the cookie cutter, WRONG! 2 weeks into arena season EVERYONE was 19/0/54 or 21/0/50 depending on if they were taking mark of blood or not. Then gargoyle got nerfed and serrenia/nathrya came up with 0/21/50 unholy, once again 99.99% of dks took to this spec as lets face it it was stupidly overpowered and was the sole reason most dks ended up with glad regardless of how decent you were.

NO-ONE was playing frost at the end of the season bar a FEW dedicated players partly because it lacked burst to bring down anything, which is what the sigil provides.
Roll onto season6 STILL we have the primary talent pool being unholy.

I mean what are you laying claim to? saying frost was going to be the no1 spec in season5 when it clearly wasn't nor is it the no1 spec now, its just become insane as a result of one pve drop, really tho Im confused what are you laying claim to?

Once again ill say it, why are you arguing a point based on 2nd hand knowledge when you have no clue what you're on about yourself?
And whats your reference to running 115spell pen and cleaning up?
Tell me why 115 spell pen means you clean up as frost ...considering its essential in ALLLLLLLLLLL specs.
God you make me giggle, a few days ago we were running 160 spell penetration, You really need to stop digging.

As for me I was 3rd in europe with dk/lock last season out of the 32 amazing teams that played my abysmal setup I've been 2200+ in all brackets but 5v5 which wasn't obtainable due to ratings but now that's changed I'm sure I'll get that this season, im currently 2300 rated in 2v2.

magilly

Ivan/sunz, any chance you guys could post your armory links ?

When i said deathknights are an easy class, i guess i was refering more to last season..... when they were actually rediculously op'd. In a way i'd still say they are one of the easier classes to play in the top end, they have very little to think about when it comes to there own moves / timing etc.

Compared to say rogues who yeah they might faceroll cloth classes in BG's, but to be really good you have so much more to watch out for, you have to worry about CC alot more, watching your energy so you dont get LOL'd at while the healers casting big heals. From watching some "GOOD" deathknight vids and tournaments, there only job is to just stick on the healer or targeted dps. Just seems to me that the skill required to be a very good deathknight is alot lower than say rogue / lock / mage.

Claypigeon

There's skill required to play a class and there's something very different and that's any given class's skill-cap. Don't get the two confused and pigeonhole a good Death Knight as a worse player than a good Rogue.

][cEMAN**

Why not? The good rogue earned it by an extra 55 levels

Claypigeon

' wrote:

[cEMAN**;60580548']Why not? The good rogue earned it by an extra 55 levels

I don't know many people on here but I pray for the sake of Irish gaming you're kidding :P

sunzz

Seems I'm unbanned now, Ivan can say what he likes and when he likes it but anyone else receives a ban, nice to know!
Anyway, MLG 3v3 tournament is streaming on gotfrag.com now if you care to watch top players playing 3v3.

I'm sorry but just because the class starts at 55 doesn't mean you don't know how to play the the class, its EXACTLY the same as starting at level 1, you don't know anything from the getgo and have to adapt and learn, granted its a little less but in the context of things when it takes you 2-3days pld to get 0-55 when you're 80 for a few weeks that 2-3days pld is more or less negated.

Playing a dk at 2500+ is not an easy task you're NOT playing retards who let you burst 4 frost strikes in a row, you're playing teams who keep their cds and use them to prevent kills, as a rogue you need to look at energy and and combo points, as a dk you need to look at your runes something which I find is a lot harder than energy and combo points, if you (the dk) miss ONE strike on your rotation you've practically ****ed your dmg for 5 seconds + knowing when to use runes that make death runes etc etc at the cost of cc and dmg when everything is going on is hectic you have to know if you're going to use your frost runes to cc someone or to use them as ur dmg, if you choose to cc you've got no dmg until your runes come up if u use them to dmg you've got no cc to protect, its not an easy task being a dk at high ratings, people really need to realise season5 is over.

I'll admit 110% its an easy enough class to play and do REASONABLY well with but its a whole diff kettle of fish playing it to its potential.

As for the comments of rogues/locks/mages, its the same thing friendly classes, shatter/fear/lockdowns but playing them to their potential is another thing, I have respect for any player doing well with their class. I just hate retards who get destroyed by one class probs cause they have no clue whats going on then go and moan about the class being op!

magilly

Yeah idd, i know alot of deathknights are skilled players, and the ones in the very top tier of pvp are players that have probably been there before with other classes in TBC. But like you said, its a class doesnt really require the same sort of skill to be effective as a few other classes. TBH tho, high end pvp is all about your team these days, theres only so much individual skill can do (Just like in any team game), timing and good team player mean a whole lot more than your own personal skill, imo.

Psycopat

As a warlock rogues are the bane of my existence in pvp full deadly/furious gear and they can still own me in a few secs.

Kiith

As an ex-Warlock, i feel your pain

As a new Rogue, i bring the pain

sunzz

Locks are SOOOOOOO good if played correctly and with an effective team behind you, druid/lock/warrior is so strong right now especially if you're a destro lock, being able to stun into fear,incin-confag,chaos is INSANE pressure with an ms up not to mention being able to shut out teams with fear.
Its really the players you play with behind you that define you as a player if you don't have players to take the pressure off you when needed and help with burst accordingly you're just going to fail.

I understand your bane in 1v1 though, but blizz have always stated classes are not balanced around 1v1 dueling, but for instance in a 3v3 when you're stuck in the kidney a quick intervene to the lock and a dismantle of the rogue and you've more or less killed the pressure right there, there is ALWAYS ways to negate dmg sadly people just don't play this game correctly and moan when they're in a stunlock getting 2 shot cause their team is tunnel visioning the opposing teams healer and doing nothing to help

Also to the person asking for a fraps, I've a new pc now so im going to get some duels done versus a few furious/deadly druids in resto/tree and show you 3 shotting them as frost in the space of a strangulate.

Psycopat

im talking mainly about 2's, i play with a disc priest. gona do 3's with that setup this week.

TheDoc

sunzz wrote: »

Seems I'm unbanned now, Ivan can say what he likes and when he likes it but anyone else receives a ban, nice to know!
Anyway, MLG 3v3 tournament is streaming on gotfrag.com now if you care to watch top players playing 3v3.

I'm sorry but just because the class starts at 55 doesn't mean you don't know how to play the the class, its EXACTLY the same as starting at level 1, you don't know anything from the getgo and have to adapt and learn, granted its a little less but in the context of things when it takes you 2-3days pld to get 0-55 when you're 80 for a few weeks that 2-3days pld is more or less negated.

Playing a dk at 2500+ is not an easy task you're NOT playing retards who let you burst 4 frost strikes in a row, you're playing teams who keep their cds and use them to prevent kills, as a rogue you need to look at energy and and combo points, as a dk you need to look at your runes something which I find is a lot harder than energy and combo points, if you (the dk) miss ONE strike on your rotation you've practically ****ed your dmg for 5 seconds + knowing when to use runes that make death runes etc etc at the cost of cc and dmg when everything is going on is hectic you have to know if you're going to use your frost runes to cc someone or to use them as ur dmg, if you choose to cc you've got no dmg until your runes come up if u use them to dmg you've got no cc to protect, its not an easy task being a dk at high ratings, people really need to realise season5 is over.

I'll admit 110% its an easy enough class to play and do REASONABLY well with but its a whole diff kettle of fish playing it to its potential.

As for the comments of rogues/locks/mages, its the same thing friendly classes, shatter/fear/lockdowns but playing them to their potential is another thing, I have respect for any player doing well with their class. I just hate retards who get destroyed by one class probs cause they have no clue whats going on then go and moan about the class being op!

Was watching the MLG thing and it wetted my appatite for some pvp. Have to say I need to read up on the lingo, I thought for ages they were talking about RP servers when they actually said "RMP" or something.

There I was thinking all the best PVP players were sitting in taverns drinking ye old ale and "vetting for the slaughter" or some ****