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Bloom In The Park 2009

  • 20-05-2009 8:53am
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,115 ✭✭✭


    http://bloominthepark.com/

    If you're going to this show, it is €25 entry at the gate
    or you can book your ticket online for €20

    Having paid full price last year, I did a little homework and found that
    if you use promotion code MYH9 online, a ticket will cost you €18


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Have to say last year i found this a total rip off and a real let down when i got in. While the garden shows were ok, the price of food in there was crazy and then you had to pay for car parking also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    Yeah just imagine how many people want something for nothing and when they discover they have to pay, must be horrible? Mind you I didn't see anyone crying or indeed malnourished over the few days last year!:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 Hopr


    While i would agree that when you have Catering companies at these events they do tend to rip you off, i have to disagree with your comments about Bloom. Last years show was great, well organized, good facilities and was worth the entrance fee. Car parking was reasonable if you spent the full day and you can always bring you own food!

    Looking forward to this years show and hopefully we will get some good weather, although I suspect it might be some what scaled down due to the recession. One also must remember that Bloom is still in its infancy.:)

    Good luck to all involved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭gollyitsolly


    I enjoyed it. Some of the food was a rip off and the admission will go up every year. But its still a great way to spend a few hours and you can bring your own food and drink. If you love flowers and gardenening you will love it. And some of the gardens and stuff on sale will give you a laugh too:D .Remember too,there is no such thing as bad weather,just the wrong clothes!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 872 ✭✭✭craiginireland


    The Irish Garden magazine have a 2 for 1 offer for bloom and it's also the showguide....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    I aint someone who wants things for nothing, but you cant justify the catering firms and ice cream vans charging more at this event than at any of the other events during the summer.


    I see they took note of peoples view from last year now anyhow, kids go for free which is good thing for people with families.


    As for the car park we learn from experience and just wont park there, instead park down the road in the park and have a nice walk.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭foxinsox


    As for the car park we learn from experience and just wont park there, instead park down the road in the park and have a nice walk.

    MMhhh! Famous last words! I thought I was really clever last year parked down by the zoo to avoid the mental after-Bloom traffic, followed the signs Bloom this way ----> and another sign and another and lo and behold another sign.. dehydration..starvation..sunburnt..mental exhaustion..lots of whinging and moaning from friends (and me) legs walked off me..and all of that before I even got near the place!!

    It was a good day when we eventually finished our "nice walk" and got there. When leaving I got on my knees and begged a nice man in a shuttle bus to drive me to my car as at that stage I was wrecked!!

    A little advice from me: if you are going to be a clever parker get the shuttle bus!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    God you must be very unfit to get all that from walking in the park. I train there regular running all the roads and you wouldnt even get that on full lap of the park on a run or walking it!! Its not more than 3k from the zoo walking on the rd, and thats been generous. 10-15 min walk from zoo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭foxinsox


    God you must be very unfit to get all that from walking in the park. I train there regular running all the roads and you wouldnt even get that on full lap of the park on a run or walking it!! Its not more than 3k from the zoo walking on the rd, and thats been generous. 10-15 min walk from zoo.

    I'm not unfit.. lol.. wouldn't be a runner!!
    <
    I think i look kinda fit!! :)

    Eh..I kinda exaggerated to add to the story!!

    I was with 3 people over 60yrs and it was a very hot day.

    Anyway just trying to give advice to people who maybe don't run and might be slightly unfit.. I personally thought it was too long a walk in blistering sun.

    Looking forward to Bloom 2009 and thanks for advice about tickets!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    I've 12 tickets to give away, pm me an address, I'll distribute in 2's and/or 4's.


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    I've 12 tickets to give away, pm me an address, I'll distribute in 2's and/or 4's.

    Jebus, that's so tempting.
    But I actually have banned myself from all garden centres and garden related things. It is just not possible for me to go to any of those places and not spend a fortune.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭B1gft


    I've 12 tickets to give away, pm me an address, I'll distribute in 2's and/or 4's.

    Hi I have sent you a PM, thanks a million.


    Also can some one tell me how much the car park is?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    B1gft wrote: »
    Hi I have sent you a PM, thanks a million.


    Also can some one tell me how much the car park is?

    Sorry but I have no idea what the car park charges are. Have you checked event website or the organisers?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    Sorry but all tickets have been allocated. I was amazed to receive so many pms without addresses. Guess it's like people not being present to take the call to win a free prize.

    Anyways if I come across any more I'll put them up.

    Unlike some Mickey Mouse competition currently running for 2 Bloom tickets, it's no big deal, if I have any spares I'll put them up on my blog next Monday.

    Watch this space.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭bobk


    Any more tickets going spare?

    I would appreciate taking any freebies going around

    Thanks in advance

    Bob


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭gollyitsolly


    As a matter of interest, where were all the jobs for Bloom workers advertised? I remember thinking last year that I would love to work there for the few days. I never saw even ONE job advertised. :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭gollyitsolly


    Carpark 5.00 euro. Admission 20 adult,child up to 15 free.Tea 2.50. Ice cream 99, 2.30. 3 graniums 10.00 euro. Ham and egg sambos free(made at home). 99% staff non Irish,why? Food on sale way overpriced. Less showgardens. Went in at 11.00 left at 3.30. Not as good as previous years. But.....the weather was lovely..........and free!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭Belfast


    Have to say last year i found this a total rip off and a real let down when i got in. While the garden shows were ok, the price of food in there was crazy and then you had to pay for car parking also.

    I agree. I went to the one in st Annes park few weeks ago and that was Free.

    The office of Public works is organising something on sunday 16th august in Farmleigh phoenix park Dublin 15
    10:00am to 5:30pm large selection of Nurseries will be there.
    Gerry Daly will be guest speaker at 2pm and 4pm
    Gerry will talk on setting up an allotment and growing your own fruit and veg.
    Artisan Food Market.

    as far as I know admission is free.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭k123456


    Is there anything to stop me parking on the main road thru the park, close to the bloom event, rather than using the bloom car park


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭lucylu


    TV3 have a program on at 4pm this afternoon "Bloom in the Park"
    Might be a good insight


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,263 ✭✭✭✭Borderfox


    Rang the customer care line to enquire about ticket price for Friday and no answer, rang ticketline to find out price for Friday as there is no information on the website as to how much it is going to cost. Went to boards.ie and found out in 2 minutes, does that tell you something about Bloom? (thanks gollyitsollly)

    No I know why they dont advertise the price, bloody rip-off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭gollyitsolly


    k123456 wrote: »
    Is there anything to stop me parking on the main road thru the park, close to the bloom event, rather than using the bloom car park
    Nope, lots of people did that yesterday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭arse..biscuits


    I was there today working at one of the stands, won't be back tomorrow, I have a pass that can get someone in for free and a car park pass. Must be able to collect soon in dublin 8.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭bobk


    Hey arse biscuits,
    I'd love to take the ticket off you, I can pick up
    I'll PM you now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭arse..biscuits


    Gone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 macallj


    Would appreciate 2 tickets to Bloom festival this weekend.
    Thank you Jaq


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭gollyitsolly


    I was there today working at one of the stands, won't be back tomorrow, I have a pass that can get someone in for free and a car park pass. Must be able to collect soon in dublin 8.
    Why are you not going back tomorrow?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    Carpark 5.00 euro. Admission 20 adult,child up to 15 free.Tea 2.50. Ice cream 99, 2.30. 3 graniums 10.00 euro. Ham and egg sambos free(made at home). 99% staff non Irish,why? Food on sale way overpriced. Less showgardens. Went in at 11.00 left at 3.30. Not as good as previous years. But.....the weather was lovely..........and free!

    Your view seems sniping and petty. You fail to mention anything about the huge nr of exhibition stands throughout the area and to compare an event like Bloom to other freebie events is nonsense. I'm not working for or have any association with event organisers. But it is obvious to any reasonable observer that improvements incl logistics, value and diversity of product (plant etc on dispaly has improved). Many things are free incl car park and under 15's. Discounted tickets were available for € 18.00 or less.

    Your comment on non Irish staff puzzles me? Most of the people working (Support and exhibitors) at Bloom are Irish, but that's neither here nor there.

    Perhaps you would prefer some half ass freebie show and do us all a favour and stop knocking an event which is developing but impressive. The vast majority of people IMO are very staisfied and ticket sales are well ahead of previous years. I did meet the occasional asshole who believes any price is too much. But IMO the only thing free is weather and nonsense talk and it is difficult to do much about either except ignore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭arse..biscuits


    Why are you not going back tomorrow?

    Because I'm going to be drinking like a lunatic.
    Did you ever see a lunatic drinking? Thats me tomorrow.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    Because I'm going to be drinking like a lunatic.
    Did you ever see a lunatic drinking? Thats me tomorrow.

    No that'll be me. :D

    I'll be going on either Sunday or Monday. Really looking forward to it to get some ideas for a complete revamp of my back garden - and I mean complete. I'll be chopping down hedges, burning shed and rotavating the lawn - ground up revamp. Plus I owe someone a cold Coke at stand 36 :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭dardevle


    Your view seems sniping and petty. You fail to mention anything about the huge nr of exhibition stands throughout the area and to compare an event like Bloom to other freebie events is nonsense. I'm not working for or have any association with event organisers. But it is obvious to any reasonable observer that improvements incl logistics, value and diversity of product (plant etc on dispaly has improved). Many things are free incl car park and under 15's. Discounted tickets were available for € 18.00 or less.

    Your comment on non Irish staff puzzles me? Most of the people working (Support and exhibitors) at Bloom are Irish, but that's neither here nor there.

    Perhaps you would prefer some half ass freebie show and do us all a favour and stop knocking an event which is developing but impressive. The vast majority of people IMO are very staisfied and ticket sales are well ahead of previous years. I did meet the occasional asshole who believes any price is too much. But IMO the only thing free is weather and nonsense talk and it is difficult to do much about either except ignore.

    :rolleyes:...perhaps the thread title should read "non-critical comments in relation to bloom in the park 2009"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭gollyitsolly


    Your view seems sniping and petty. You fail to mention anything about the huge nr of exhibition stands throughout the area and to compare an event like Bloom to other freebie events is nonsense. I'm not working for or have any association with event organisers. But it is obvious to any reasonable observer that improvements incl logistics, value and diversity of product (plant etc on dispaly has improved). Many things are free incl car park and under 15's. Discounted tickets were available for € 18.00 or less.

    Your comment on non Irish staff puzzles me? Most of the people working (Support and exhibitors) at Bloom are Irish, but that's neither here nor there.

    Perhaps you would prefer some half ass freebie show and do us all a favour and stop knocking an event which is developing but impressive. The vast majority of people IMO are very staisfied and ticket sales are well ahead of previous years. I did meet the occasional asshole who believes any price is too much. But IMO the only thing free is weather and nonsense talk and it is difficult to do much about either except ignore.
    Get your facts right. I did not snipe at anyone. I just gave some information. Car park is NOT free. Food is OVERPRICED. There ARE less showgardens. Im all for Irish events but I dont like being fleeced especially during this recession.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭gollyitsolly


    Borderfox wrote: »
    Rang the customer care line to enquire about ticket price for Friday and no answer, rang ticketline to find out price for Friday as there is no information on the website as to how much it is going to cost. Went to boards.ie and found out in 2 minutes, does that tell you something about Bloom? (thanks gollyitsollly)

    No I know why they dont advertise the price, bloody rip-off.
    I couldnt get the tickets for Thursday either, Thursday wasnt on the website!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭gollyitsolly


    Because I'm going to be drinking like a lunatic.
    Did you ever see a lunatic drinking? Thats me tomorrow.
    :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 mabet


    Was at the show today in park. Was there at 10.05 and did not get through entrance gates until 10.45 due to only one person taking cash and one taking credit cards. This was at Green Car Park side. I found this unbelievable to have only 2 people giving tickets with such crowds iwaiting in the heat. The stewards were very aggressive in their tone with people, particulary a girl with a white shirt. She was roaring at people she was doing the best they could but to be honest the whole thing is a rip off . Weather wise it was a beautiful day but so was my own back garden today. As for food prices they were totally over the top. When will we ever learn to refuse to put up with this. 2.50 for a miniature paper cup of tea. Nothing justifies those prices and 2.60 for a bottle of water. It was an experience but I will not ever repeat it as I would prefer to go to my local garden centre for the aftenoon. I was so dissappointed with the show gardens. They were all so so modern and for tiny gardens. My favourite one was the little veg one with the cottage style door at the bottom and the little green path with the yellow flowers all along it.
    r


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,263 ✭✭✭✭Borderfox


    I didnt bother to go in the end on Friday, I went to Tattersalls Horse Trials (free on Friday) I must check out when the Rose festival is on in St Annes, it was excellent last year and free also. Well worth a visit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    Went today - spent nearly 5 hours there and thoroughly enjoyed it. The show gardens were excellent. Some really didn't take my fancy but some others gave me some great ideas for my own back garden which I'm planning on re-doing from the ground up. Met Sonnenblumen too - thanks again for the tickets and credit crunch permitting I'll be in touch for that waterfall and the twin hanging seat when I do my garden :)

    @mabet: I got there about 1pm at the green carpark too. Had my tickets already and walked straight in but the queue for pay as you go wasn't bad - maybe 20 people long and it appeared to be moving fast. As regards food prices - it's an outdoor event and the same commercial caterers were there as at any event - prices are indeed a rip. But you had the option here of bringing your own food which is what we did. I brought a little picnic hamper for us and the two kids and we sat down on the grass and had our meal. There was even a station of taps to fill up water bottles. Have you ever seen that or picnic areas at a commercial event before?

    All in all I loved it. Bought some lovely plants for my front garden and got some inspiring ideas for both my allotment and back garden while I was there. Looking forward to next year already.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    Nothwithstanding that there will be differing views on many if not all aspects of the event IMO and helped by an incredible continuous fine weather, BLOOM 2009 will most certainly have resonance for the vast majority of visitors.

    All in all it was a tremendous feat of logistics and organisation with a huge range and diversity of products, features, activities, informative forums and many fine examples of manufactured goods, services arts, crafts etc. The sheer diversity and quality of presentation was a major benchmark of much of what is good and enterprising in Irish gardening etc and judging by the feedback from fellow exhibitors, the visiting public which came in their droves, gave their endorsements where it really mattered most as many exhibitors reported buoyant sales.

    It is surprising that negative sentiments seem to be more in evidence here but believe me that does not reflect the true facts behind the great success and spectacle that made the BLOOM 2009 gardening festival such a positive and uplifting event and experience.

    If you missed it you really did miss out on one of the highlight events of 2009.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,890 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    didn't go this year, mainly because i felt it was too expensive last year; some sentiments expressed above would reflect what we felt. went to art in action in townley hall and did some gardening instead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,122 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    made the BLOOM 2009 gardening festival such a positive and uplifting event and experience.

    If you missed it you really did miss out on one of the highlight events of 2009.

    +1

    We went in late today (3pm) on purpose. Traffic in the Phoenix park was fine, we were not held up anywhere. We got parking within 50m of the entrance and we didn't have to wait more than about 2 minutes at the tickets. We had a voucher (from Newlands) for a buy one get one free ticket, so the whole family got in for €25. The festival was still very busy until well after 4PM but people seemed to be very happy - there was a great atmosphere.

    Obviously the weather helped a lot, but from what I saw everything was well organised. When we got there, the berries stand had just reduced their prices to €2 per box so we snacked on some lovely strawberries and raspberries. Nice bonus was that Keelings was giving away their whole display at the end. Went home with a large bag full of fruit and veg :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Only went this year because work gave us free tickets as a thank you.

    I said last year it was over priced and i believe it still is but wont talk about that, just give some good and bad points on it.

    Went on the monday

    Good Points:
    The show was more spread out this year and the food prices seem to of drop this year a bit.

    Alot of cold water taps around and well advertised, this was really good considering the weather.

    Some of the exhibitors were very helpful especially ones outside the main tent.

    Alot more stuff on for kids this year which is great for families.

    Bad Points
    While i didnt have to queue to get in, the cash queue was massive and considering this was at 11.30 monday morning i thought the organisers be better organise.

    The credit card queue was a disaster too.

    One of the garden exhibitor in the main tent was a disaster, as was enquiry where her shop was to buy some flowers today, and she was very reluclant to tell us. Ah well her loss.

    Less show gardens on show this year, but this is mainly down to most landscapers getting no work out of the show and only designers that were sponsor were there, which is fair enough in current climate.

    Also can someone please explain why third level colleges were there advertising IT courses, also why hand bag shops were there?
    If its a garden show, make it a garden show, otherwise dont advertise it as one.

    Also why were the garden shops outside in a very small tight spot, very hard to move to arround, real pity that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭jinx9000


    a little microcosm of politics.........based around Bloom, from vested and blinkered interests to the normal Joes!

    I turned on my heal when I saw €25.00...........it can't be justified in the context of charging punters to be sold products to!

    i'm sure a lot of hard work was put into it, and loads of money was made without displaying many signs of respect to the public! (kids free in is great though)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭bcirl03


    Was going to go with the family until I found out the price - eh rip off. And you had to pay for parking !!!!! Eh no thanks - do these people not realise we don’t have the money we used too?

    Quiet annoyed that the Late Late Show on Friday literally promoted this rip off event.

    Am I right in assuming the playground was part of the event and therefore closed off to the public for the duration of the show?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭gollyitsolly


    Im happy to see other people felt as I did. Why have an admission fee at all? It is supposed to be the peoples park! If the fifteen acres were used and it was free in, and the exhibitors didnt have to pay there would be masses of people turning up. The exhibitors could have done with the money that people used for the entrance fee. 50,000 people per event even is a lot of money. Where is the money going and to ? St. Annes Park in Raheny do great open days with stalls and the like and loads of people turn up. Any exhibitors care to share their views,or anyone from the OPW or Bord Bia?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    These things cost a lot of money to run. I don't know if the land was given for use free but there were a lot of staff who had to be paid - ticketing, cleaning staff, security, etc. Then add the cost of equipment to set the place up, the toilet facilities, water stations, refuse, etc. It all adds up. I'd accept that €25 is a bit steep but kids were free and discounts were easy to come by. You could buy the Irish Garden mag for a fiver and get 2 for 1 tickets - €20 saving at the weekend right there. There were complimentary tickets galore. And worst case was buy the tickets online using the MyHome discount code.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    Im happy to see other people felt as I did. Why have an admission fee at all? It is supposed to be the peoples park! If the fifteen acres were used and it was free in, and the exhibitors didnt have to pay there would be masses of people turning up. The exhibitors could have done with the money that people used for the entrance fee. 50,000 people per event even is a lot of money. Where is the money going and to ? St. Annes Park in Raheny do great open days with stalls and the like and loads of people turn up. Any exhibitors care to share their views,or anyone from the OPW or Bord Bia?

    This is like wondering why GAA is free in the 15 acres but why people must pay into Croker? :confused: I mean where does one start? I'm not even going to bother, it is so naieve!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Black Dog


    Though a keen gardener, I didn't attend Bloom having found it a disappointing experience previously and found some pre show comments (Jane Powers in the Irish Times, for example) negative with concerns about the lack of finance and the prediction that the number of show gardens would be down and the quality also affected by lack of finance.

    Re cost of admission: I can understand the need to have an admission charge to a show such as Bloom but there are other horticultural events where admission charges are completely unacceptable to me. Over the past number of years plant sales have been organised around the country. I find it completely unacceptable that these have an admission charge - you are asked to pay to gain admission to purchase plants!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    Black Dog wrote: »
    Though a keen gardener, I didn't attend Bloom having found it a disappointing experience previously and found some pre show comments (Jane Powers in the Irish Times, for example) negative with concerns about the lack of finance and the prediction that the number of show gardens would be down and the quality also affected by lack of finance.

    Re cost of admission: I can understand the need to have an admission charge to a show such as Bloom but there are other horticultural events where admission charges are completely unacceptable to me. Over the past number of years plant sales have been organised around the country. I find it completely unacceptable that these have an admission charge - you are asked to pay to gain admission to purchase plants!

    One wonders what gardening journalists are on about half the time. In my opinion most are living in the past, some find it increasingly difficult to afford any recognition to new talent. Some are reluctant to be critical about poor standards (design and/or construction). Bloom is supposedly about design , but the designer is also responsible for managing and overseeing the execution. Bloom regrettably does not acknowledge the construction efforts. Why? I'm not going to criticise any designer/garden but I was shocked by the low standards in a number of instances and some had appalling execution standards. I am not surprised to hear some designers/landscapers are struggling. Journalists need to get off the fence and come out of the comfort of old cliques and tell it as it actually is and not how it once was.

    There are plenty of sponsors out there and some previous Bloom sponsors decided to change strategy this year. Some of this year's gardens were rubbish and this will be a greater cause for concern than lack of sponsors. Organisers dropped the bar this year, whilst old gardening journalists are trying to re-invent themselves!

    Finally if Jane Powers is genuinely concerned about Bloom, perhaps she should look beyond the comfort of old friends and get into the industry and smell the roses!

    Overall Bloom was great but for many other reasons besides Show gardens!

    I wouldn't take what gardening journalists write too seriously.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom



    I wouldn't take what gardening journalists write too seriously.

    You're right.
    I find vested interests posting on internet forums a much better barometer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    Mikom

    stop playing the tstetsi and make a contribution for once!


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