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Belief in "god" without a belief in religion
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18-05-2009 5:12pm#1
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You're saying that because there is belief in a god it gives the "god" power to help people, god only exists because people believe he does? but not in the literal sense? Essentially,people need to believe in something?
Letter from god to man is a Great song by the way!! here it is for peole who dont know it(samples Radiohead's Airbag):
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You're saying that because there is belief in a god it gives the "god" power to help people, god only exists because people believe he does? but not in the literal sense? Essentially,people need to believe in something?
Letter from god to man is a Great song by the way!! here it is for peole who dont know it(samples Radiohead's Airbag):
yeah, pretty much. Like, if i wanted to make stuff up, id say that once you die you become part of that power, but thats nonsense, but, because a bunch of people believe in something, they can gain comfort and hope from it, so wheres the harm in that? and that the only harm has come from humans twisting that belief for their own gain.0 -
Like, if i wanted to make stuff up, id say that once you die you become part of that power, but thats nonsense, but, because a bunch of people believe in something, they can gain comfort and hope from it, so wheres the harm in that?
So God is essentially the ultimate spiritual placebo?
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You're saying that because there is belief in a god it gives the "god" power to help people, god only exists because people believe he does? but not in the literal sense? Essentially,people need to believe in something?
Letter from god to man is a Great song by the way!! here it is for peole who dont know it(samples Radiohead's Airbag):
Great song, Gracias!0 -
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exactly, its more that human's have misinterpreted what the phenomenom known as "god" really is.
Interesting point, isn't it a question of "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" kind of argument though?
If humans didn't exist then using your line of reasoning would the concept of God exist then?
I think it wouldn't which makes God a human construct. If it's a human construct then "the phenomenom known as "god"" is what we define it to be. To me that means that we can't misinterpreted what the phenomenom known as "god" really is, as we are the ones defining it.
I could be horrible wrong though 0 -
I see what you're sayingInteresting point, isn't it a question of "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" kind of argument though?
If humans didn't exist then using your line of reasoning would the concept of God exist then?
I think it wouldn't which makes God a human construct. If it's a human construct then "the phenomenom known as "god"" is what we define it to be. To me that means that we can't misinterpreted what the phenomenom known as "god" really is, as we are the ones defining it.
I could be horrible wrong though
without going down the "theres so much the mind can do what we're not aware of" route (the typical sh1te sprouted by "psychics"), I would agree that, yes, god in this definition would be a human construct. The earth is created by what we know or will know from science, and "god" is a way of thinking, a sort of group meditation that gives people hope and comfort. I'm all for people believing what they want about "god", its the tag on stuff about others being wrong and their religion being the one true one that is the problem. This seems to align quite closely to atheism in that Its not "god" they have the problem with persay, its religion in all its manifestations. "god" itself hasnt done anything wrong, and is, in essense, a handy thing to have around.0 -
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I see what you're saying
without going down the "theres so much the mind can do what we're not aware of" route (the typical sh1te sprouted by "psychics"), I would agree that, yes, god in this definition would be a human construct. The earth is created by what we know or will know from science, and "god" is a way of thinking, a sort of group meditation that gives people hope and comfort. I'm all for people believing what they want about "god", its the tag on stuff about others being wrong and their religion being the one true one that is the problem. This seems to align quite closely to atheism in that Its not "god" they have the problem with persay, its religion in all its manifestations. "god" itself hasnt done anything wrong, and is, in essense, a handy thing to have around.
I agree that if God was only a way of thinking, which respected other ways of thinking and the followers of God didn't try to force their way of thinking on others, most people wouldn't have a problem with it.
I'd like the concept of God to be like musical taste. Most people acknowledge that different people like different kinds of music, and in most cases respect that (you might get laughed at if you say you like S Club 7, but that's deserved ) People that like a certain kind of music listen to it either by themselves or with others. They may become inspired, comforted etc by the music they like.
If you really like an artist you might suggest it to a friend, but won't be too offended if the friend listens to it but doesn't enjoy it as much as you do.
If religious taste was as unobtrusive as musical taste I think the world would be a much better place. It's the "sacredness" or religion which makes is so dangerous.0 -
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I agree that if God was only a way of thinking, which respected other ways of thinking and the followers of God didn't try to force their way of thinking on others, most people wouldn't have a problem with it.
I'd like the concept of God to be like musical taste. Most people acknowledge that different people like different kinds of music, and in most cases respect that (you might get laughed at if you say you like S Club 7, but that's deserved ) People that like a certain kind of music listen to it either by themselves or with others. They may become inspired, comforted etc by the music they like.
If you really like an artist you might suggest it to a friend, but won't be too offended if the friend listens to it but doesn't enjoy it as much as you do.
If religious taste was as unobtrusive as musical taste I think the world would be a much better place. It's the "sacredness" or religion which makes is so dangerous.
how dare you speak ill of S club
I like your comparison.
Let me give you an example, a friends grandmother is very ill, and will die soon. She recieves quite a lot of comfort from prayer, and IMO its helping her at this time. No foul there. Her son is an atheist, and when invited to join her side for prayer one evening refused. If it was me, I'd have no problem joining her, as, its no skin off my nose to help make her feel better, and if I dont believe in "god" in the same way she does, what harm am I doing in comforting her?
I just feel the whole atheism v religion argument is sometimes a bit hypocritical, as its effectively the same as one religion vs another religion argument. It doesnt matter, its the actions of the people involved that matter.0 -
Mark Hamill wrote: »I dont think people can just believe in god without that tag on stuff. Everyone who believes in god has some idea about him, ie what his powers might be, what he actually does, what they should do to keep him happy. Its peoples disagreements in these that cause all problems and seeing as god in the first a made up human idea, I dont see the point in all that hassle.
I dont know if all atheists would agree with that though, I know i dont. If god was an entity that actually exists according to the Abrahamic religions, I'd have a problem with a lot of the things he did while claiming to be a good, caring being. If god is just a concept, a handy idea, then I have a problem with it actually being a terrible idea that encourages people not to avoid reality when things get difficult (the whole "comfort" thing) as opposed to actually dealing with problems and making your life better.
see, in this entire post you're assigning atttributes to "god". I never said "god" was a person, or was responsible for anything that has ever happened.
I wouldnt be a fan of "god" being somewhere to retreat from reality, merely a group/solo method of relaxation and comfort. At the end of it all, we're still entirely responsible for our own actions outcomes etc etc.
of course the problem could be as soon as people knew and accepted this, it would no longer work, and cease to exist 0 -
According to Wikipedia it's S Club 3 nowhow dare you speak ill of S clubLet me give you an example, a friends grandmother is very ill, and will die soon. She recieves quite a lot of comfort from prayer, and IMO its helping her at this time. No foul there. Her son is an atheist, and when invited to join her side for prayer one evening refused. If it was me, I'd have no problem joining her, as, its no skin off my nose to help make her feel better, and if I dont believe in "god" in the same way she does, what harm am I doing in comforting her?
I my opinion (i.e. in the opinion of an anonymous person, through the internet, who hasn't got any insight into the circumstances of the described situation) her son might have been a been a bit unreasonable.I just feel the whole atheism v religion argument is sometimes a bit hypocritical, as its effectively the same as one religion vs another religion argument. It doesnt matter, its the actions of the people involved that matter.
It can get tiring from time to time, however I believe that Religion has been given too much respect in the past. Also in regards to Atheism being a religion, I'm afraid I'll have to counter with this golden oldie; "If atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby..."
EDIT: BTW in honour of musical metaphors and sharing musical tase, thanks for posting about "letter from God to man", really liking it!0 -
s club 3, i know, they play club I do magic in a few weeks backAccording to Wikipedia it's S Club 3 now
I my opinion (i.e. in the opinion of an anonymous person, through the internet, who hasn't got any insight into the circumstances of the described situation) her son might have been a been a bit unreasonable.
It can get tiring from time to time, however I believe that Religion has been given too much respect in the past. Also in regards to Atheism being a religion, I'm afraid I'll have to counter with this golden oldie; "If atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby..."
EDIT: BTW in honour of musical metaphors and sharing musical tase, thanks for posting about "letter from God to man", really liking it!
oh I'm definitely not calling atheism a religion or similar, just the argument is similar to arguing religions. I agree with the two much respect given to religions, which is why I started this thread, a confusion about where it fell on the whole "divide"
If you like it, get the album version, the emotion in the delivery is much better in it, the video version is a bit bland in comparison. the Album is called Angles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles_(Dan_Le_Sac_Vs_Scroobius_Pip_album)0 -
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