dedicated dance music production subforum

seannash

hey folks
after a discussion on the dance music section of boards there was a few people requesting a seperate dance music production subforum which would hopefully be housed in the dancemusic and djing section of boards.
so if any of ye would like it to happen lend it your support
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=60241445#post60241445

PMI

I would like a "mongolian jazz folk metal" forum.....

what ya reckon?

seannash

PMI wrote: »

I would like a "mongolian jazz folk metal" forum.....

what ya reckon?

yeah go for it man:rolleyes:

frobisher

I'd rather not lose the dance production threads we get here in MP. It's not my scene but I like having them round.

Daftendirekt

PMI wrote: »

I would like a "mongolian jazz folk metal" forum.....

what ya reckon?

Mongolian jazz folk metal isn't a specialised and hugely important area of modern music production.

Good idea methinks.

PaulBrewer

frobisher wrote: »

I'd rather not lose the dance production threads we get here in MP. It's not my scene but I like having them round.

One might suggest that as there aren't that many Dance Only related posts it might be quite quiet.

What was the reason for the suggestion I wonder?

frobisher

Daftendirekt wrote: »

Mongolian jazz folk metal isn't a specialised and hugely important area of modern music production.

Neither is dance music :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

PaulBrewer

frobisher wrote: »

Neither is dance music :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

So obvious I left it to you

seannash

frobisher wrote: »

I'd rather not lose the dance production threads we get here in MP. It's not my scene but I like having them round.

yeah but this forum seems to be more geared towards traditional studio recordings(nlothing wrong with that)alot of people are using software to dj with and the natural progression is to get into production(especially with ableton).
i think it would be better housed in the dance music section rather than over here as chat over here can be very technical and put people off.it also just doesnt seem like a dance music production forum

PaulBrewer

seannash wrote: »

yeah but this forum seems to be more geared towards traditional studio recordings(nlothing wrong with that)alot of people are using software to dj with and the natural progression is to get into production(especially with ableton).
i think it would be better housed in the dance music section rather than over here as chat over here can be very technical and put people off.it also just doesnt seem like a dance music production forum

As we've discussed before - it's the Posters who decide the direction.

If the Dance Lads have things to say we'd have heard it by now, no?

'Music Production' is an all encompassing ...

In my opinion it's not busy enough to warrant subdividing ...

frobisher

seannash wrote: »

yeah but this forum seems to be more geared towards traditional studio recordings(nlothing wrong with that)alot of people are using software to dj with and the natural progression is to get into production(especially with ableton).
i think it would be better housed in the dance music section rather than over here as chat over here can be very technical and put people off.it also just doesnt seem like a dance music production forum

I think many of our regulars make dance music.

seannash

PaulBrewer wrote: »

As we've discussed before - it's the Posters who decide the direction.

If the Dance Lads have things to say we'd have heard it by now, no?

'Music Production' is an all encompassing ...

In my opinion it's not busy enough to warrant subdividing ...

were not subdividing this forum.we want to house it in the dance music site,not here.much like the logic myspace,facebook which noone had a problem with.its in a different area.
if i have a question about dance music production i generally dont post it on here,i go to another site which is more specialised.im sure that anyone who makes dance music on here is also using other sites for there questions.
if you go to the dance music forum there is a big interest from djs to do there own tracks but most wouldnt drea of coming over here to ask questions.

DamagedTrax

i cant see why it should have its own section, its all music production afterall. and not wanting to sound snobish but if a few kids who tinkered with garageband/fl studio/reason came in here and posted about dance music then theres enough of us who work in the genre regularly to be able to answer all their questions.

PaulBrewer

seannash wrote: »

if i have a question about dance music production i generally dont post it on here

Ok

PMI

PMI wrote: »

I would like a "mongolian jazz folk metal" forum.....

what ya reckon?

Anyone? :pac::p

seannash

DamagedTrax wrote: »

i cant see why it should have its own section, its all music production afterall. and not wanting to sound snobish but if a few kids who tinkered with garageband/fl studio/reason came in here and posted about dance music then theres enough of us who work in the genre regularly to be able to answer all their questions.

not saying the regulars arent experienced but if you go to another dedicated dance music production site there are topic headers that look like what your into.this site just isnt appealing imo to a noob into dance music.personally i thin k most dance music producer would have no interest in about 80% of the topics that are raised here like what mic to use or how to mic an instrument,big mixing desks that are now on sale etc etc
its just a suggestion,if you dont like it dont support it.if you think its a good idea support it.
i think the dance music site is busy enough to warrant it.

PaulBrewer

How do new forums get made anyway?

PMI

PaulBrewer wrote: »

How do new forums get made anyway?

Like this...

seannash

PaulBrewer wrote: »

How do new forums get made anyway?

make a suggestion in the new forums (or whatever its called) section.if i has enough support it becomes a forum.
follow the link and the sectio is there.if you think this is a strange request you should see some of the others

ICN

PMI wrote: »

Anyone? :pac::p

LOL

PaulBrewer

seannash wrote: »

make a suggestion in the new forums (or whatever its called) section.if i has enough support it becomes a forum.
follow the link and the sectio is there.if you think this is a strange request you should see some of the others

Very Good - Best of Luck.

seannash

also like to point out that i was nominated to throw the topic up.im fully supportive of it mind but it wasnt just a my idea:D

ICN

seannash wrote: »

make a suggestion in the new forums (or whatever its called) section.if i has enough support it becomes a forum.
follow the link and the sectio is there.if you think this is a strange request you should see some of the others

Yeah.. I'm on for that. If I can help by supporting it, then I will.



I think it would be great to have a dedicated part for techniques / specifici tips to be swapped / clarified etc.. We have to make a rule though.. No Trance - Hock 'spit

I absolutely love this particular forum. There are so many clued up people & the basis is nearly always the same, no matter what the question is.

It will always be important to get advice from someone who has a wealth of experience & has been in the game for X amount of years, as there is a chance that there will be people on the flipside who dont know what the **** they are talking about.

Even though some of the stuff here doesnt apply to me directly, I still love the theory & reading about it. Everything interests me.

But I would definitely love another section running in tandem, where different areas were being explored.

seannash

ICN wrote: »

Yeah.. I'm on for that. If I can help by supporting it, then I will.



I think it would be great to have a dedicated part for techniques / specifici tips to be swapped / clarified etc.. We have to make a rule though.. No Trance - Hock 'spit

I absolutely love this particular forum. There are so many clued up people & the basis is nearly always the same, no matter what the question is.

It will always be important to get advice from someone who has a wealth of experience & has been in the game for X amount of years, as there is a chance that there will be people on the flipside who dont know what the **** they are talking about.

Even though some of the stuff here doesnt apply to me directly, I still love the theory & reading about it. Everything interests me.

But I would definitely love another section running in tandem, where different areas were being explored.

yeah i always see"how do i make this sound"threads on other sites.not a bad idea and noobs love them as it allows them to copy there favourite artists.also theres great in the studio videos from future music that never really get posted on here that help people out immensely.
not trying to take away from this site but there are two different demographics imo and should be catered to differently.

ICN

seannash wrote: »

yeah i always see"how do i make this sound"threads on other sites.not a bad idea and noobs love them as it allows them to copy there favourite artists.also theres great in the studio videos from future music that never really get posted on here that help people out immensely.
not trying to take away from this site but there are two different demographics imo and should be catered to differently.

I concur.

jimi_t

While the specialisation point has been made, I don't think its clear that about 90% of Electronic/Dance producers work completely in-daw, with the only exceptions possible being external summing or something like a UAD or other DSP card. Dance Music Producers really have no use for discussion on mic'ing, re-amping, PA/Band mixing, Protools, new console or mixer updates etc...

Traditional Music Producers similarly have no use for discussion on new electronic DJ gear and live performance based control surfaces, electronic-centric VST and VSTi's, talk about obscure german minimal techno labels and self promotion and contracts with relation to sites like juno or beatport etc...

It would completely eliminate clutter and make moderating almost autonomous, and I definitely think there's plenty of support for it and a huge potential userbase. All it takes is about 15mins for an sMod and we're flying.

PaulBrewer

Of course some of the best sounding dance music uses more traditional tools - That's the reason why Faithless' stuff sounds so good.

May the dance boys should widen their horizons?

seannash

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Of course some of the best sounding dance music uses more traditional tools - That's the reason why Faithless' stuff sounds so good.

May the dance boys should widen their horizons?

most of us dont have the luxury of owning hardware synths so vsts are all we use.
costs money to expand our horizons unfortunately,also most of us dont want to sound like faithless

jtsuited

haha faithless!!

sounded good maybe 13 years ago.

DamagedTrax

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Of course some of the best sounding dance music uses more traditional tools - That's the reason why Faithless' stuff sounds so good.

May the dance boys should widen their horizons?

although not exactly a current example i understand what paul is saying here. while most of us started out ITB, part of the production learning curve (be it dance, rock or whatever) is moving on from (so-called) beginners software and learning about the higher end stuff.

i might be generalising here but isnt gear lust something that every producer/engineer has?

seannash

hmm i reckon vsts are professional grade these days.i dont think its the be all and end all to have hardware.
i reckon if you buy a copy of logic and a few good plug ins then your ready to compete with the big boys in terns of professional tools at your disposal.
i know a few producers who make great tracks with free software.
honestly bar the ususal hardware synths i want i dont think i have any lust for a large neve console or any sort of preamps etc like the band guys do.
its just a different area of production that definitely needs a dedicated forum for discussions.
while many people on here are experts some of them would have a hard time making a competent dance track that works on the floor.

dav nagle

PMI wrote: »

Like this...

This is the last time I am going to say this 'Stop posting up pictures of me'

Sheeeeeeeeeeshh

DamagedTrax

seannash wrote: »

while many people on here are experts some of them would have a hard time making a competent dance track that works on the floor.

i agree 100% with you on that. it comes from knowing the music inside out. knowing every little detail that makes up a dancefloor killer.

but having no interest in a neve??? :eek::eek::eek: shame on you :P:P;):D

seannash

DamagedTrax wrote: »

i agree 100% with you on that. it comes from knowing the music inside out. knowing every little detail that makes up a dancefloor killer.

but having no interest in a neve??? :eek::eek::eek: shame on you :P:P;):D

ha ha ha i wouldnt have anywhere to put it.
just before someone else says it i know most dance music producer wouldnt be able to put together a traditional band type track either.

DamagedTrax

seannash wrote: »

ha ha ha i wouldnt have anywhere to put it.
just before someone else says it i know most dance music producer wouldnt be able to put together a traditional band type track either.

unless you've spent years releasing both :cool:

seannash

DamagedTrax wrote: »

unless you've spent years releasing both :cool:

i did say most

studiorat

I work in both Genres. I know my Tech House from my Hardcore.

But I say give them their own forum, sent them back where they came from. With their text speak and non-use of capital letters, savages...

DJ's out!!!

fitz

There's nothing stopping you from requesting a forum on the Sys>Forums board.
But to be honest, I don't think it's a worthwhile idea.
I can't see why people wouldn't just post here. This forum's direction is dictated by the users who post. If this flock of people who are dying for a subforum for dance music were to start posting here, discussing techniques, they might learn something from the non-dance guys, and vice versa...a subforum is just keeping everyone isolated and insular.
If all the people who want this sub-forum started posting in here, about the topics they're interested in, the forum would adapt to cater for that, and that's the way I think it should be.

PaulBrewer

fitz wrote: »

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If all the people who want this sub-forum started posting in here, about the topics they're interested in, the forum would adapt to cater for that, and that's the way I think it should be.

Yes. It all fits under Music Production.

seannash

honestly lads i dont think you guys would have any interest in knowing how deadmau5 makes a particular sound(typical noob question)or a dubstep wobble bass or the in the studio videos.
yes it over laps but honestly there two different beasts.
look at how divided the music section is,hip hop,jazz and blues etc.its not so far out of left field to request a dancemusic production section.
like i said half the topics that come up here have very little to do with anything im or other people are trying to do.

PaulBrewer

seannash wrote: »

honestly lads i dont think you guys would have any interest in knowing how deadmau5 makes a particular sound(typical noob question)or a dubstep wobble bass or the in the studio videos.
yes it over laps but honestly there two different beasts.
look at how divided the music section is,hip hop,jazz and blues etc.its not so far out of left field to request a dancemusic production section.
like i said half the topics that come up here have very little to do with anything im or other people are trying to do.

So half do?

PaulBrewer

seannash wrote: »

honestly lads i dont think you guys would have any interest in knowing how deadmau5 makes a particular sound(typical noob question)or a dubstep wobble bass or the in the studio videos.

I would !

fitz

Sean, you're speaking for the rest of us there. I'd certainly be interested in anything that broadens out my horizons...

People shouldn't not post here because what they want to talk about isn't being talked about yet...get everyone posting about electro-production on here and the same end goal is achieved, with the additional benefits of cross polination.

Comparing it the music genre fora isn't analogous (cringe)...there's vast amounts of traffic that justify the existence of each of those boards.

seannash

fitz wrote: »

People shouldn't not post here because what they want to talk about isn't being talked about yet....

they should post but they dont.its the internet and you can find very specific sites for whatever your into.dancemusic has its own sub genres much like regular old rock music.if people arent talking about what your interested in you can simply move on to another forum and get involved there.
some people believe theres a need for it some dont.
in an ideal workld we would all cross pollinate out prioduction knowlege but in reality that wont happen.
this site is memebr driven yes but the predominant members are from a traditional background and it does come across in the topics posted.nothing wrong with that but perhaps not inviting to people looking for answers to dance music related questions

jtsuited

lads they're two different worlds. different forum = good idea.

most of those asking for it over on the dance music forum do not post here.

PMI

So was that a no to my mongolian jazz folk metal forum.....

typical, its all about you guys !!!!!!! never think about others.... ha

jimi_t

jtsuited wrote: »

most of those asking for it over on the dance music forum do would not post here.

Fixed.

There's at least 40 irish members on idmforums.com or similar who'd jump at the opportunity to link up with other irish ELECTRONIC producers, but who are horribly put off by the methodology of the music production forum on boards.ie.

Impeding the posting of such a forum/subforum would not mean that the current forum would retain its electronic-centric members, more that boards.ie would lose overall traffic to dedicated, non-Irish centric dance sites. This has already happened due to tensions, and I'd prefer not to see a similar situation occur.


It costs nothing to put up a new forum, it will take five minutes to do and will be of massive benefit to boards, and the current music prod forum.

If all the people who want this sub-forum started posting in here, about the topics they're interested in, the forum would adapt to cater for that, and that's the way I think it should be.

Its a matter of build it and they will come, as opposed to letting a userbase re-carve an established niche. The prominent and most frequent posters here are generally 30+ and focused on live or studio work with bands, and have their forum. We'd like ours.

PaulBrewer

jimi_t wrote: »

Fixed.

There's at least 40 irish members on idmforums.com or similar who'd jump at the opportunity to link up with other irish ELECTRONIC producers, but who are horribly put off by the methodology of the music production forum on boards.ie.

Impeding the posting of such a forum/subforum would not mean that the current forum would retain its electronic-centric members, more that boards.ie would lose overall traffic to dedicated, non-Irish centric dance sites. This has already happened due to tensions, and I'd prefer not to see a similar situation occur.


It costs nothing to put up a new forum, it will take five minutes to do and will be of massive benefit to boards, and the current music prod forum.



Its a matter of build it and they will come, as opposed to letting a userbase re-carve an established niche. The prominent and most frequent posters here are generally 30+ and focused on live or studio work with bands, and have their forum. We'd like ours.

Good Post Jimi . What 'tensions' do you refer to?

.... and shouldn't that be '40 plus' ?

jiltloop

I think this could be a good idea, but if the forum was mainly based around dance music production alot of it would not interest me. Personally I'd prefer a forum which would cater for wider interests, like an electronic music production forum i.e encompassing all types of electronic music from dance to ambient, minimal, experimental etc etc.
I realise most of the traffic on the forum would be dance music based but I think it would appear a bit more open.

fitz

This isn't anyone's forum.
There's no benefit to this forum or its users to setting up a sub forum under the Dance forum to cater for people who don't post on here simply because none of them post on here already. Chicken/egg/chicken/egg...
Anyway, tbh, it's irrelevant. You want a sub forum set up off of a forum other than this one, go ahead! Suggest it on the Sys/Forums board, if there's enough support, it'll get set up. I think it's a shame that people don't post in here just because the current regular posters are into other things. It's all Music Production. I also think it would be a shame to see the contribution of the dance guys disappear from tho forum, which I would expect to happen if a seperate dance forum was set up.

PaulBrewer

Just rename this one Dance Music Production ...:cool: Simple!