AAgggg,Freeloaders who steel Internet!!!!

magenta73

For the past forever, when the kids turned on the PS3 I would get kicked off of the net! (usually Boards.ie). I've been onto my provider and they couldn't find anything wrong, but they said if I bought the higher speed etc,etc............. anyway, had enough today and have just found out that nearly everyone in the neighbourhood is connected to my broadband!!!!!!!:mad:, rang my provider and they said "oh, yeah,ha ha, whoops" and gave me a new password!, could they just not done this in the first place!:mad:

galwayrush

I think it's up to yourself to use a personal password.;)

MrVestek

It's up to you to make sure your wireless routes is secured properly, not your isp. Besides they were hardly stealing internet but rather you were giving it out for free ;-)

galwayrush

Seriously, as a good neighbour, i only use next door's wireless connection for porn.:pac:

Galvasean

I used to get free internet from a neighbour. Then he changed his password... :mad:

Numina

Dear OP,

It's your fault.

magenta73

Numina wrote: »

Dear OP,

It's your fault.

How exactly..........We did use the 16 diget no given to us from our provider! they said it was only ours and it's like a Pin code so how is it our fault!:(

Webmonkey

In Ireland and Europe, the demarcation point (ie where ISP responsibility ends is the line coming in). You are responsible for the router and hardware.

phasers

my neighbour was using my internet once, so I broke into her house and robbed her cat.

Caoimhín

Steel? Steal.

giggsy664

magenta73 wrote: »

How exactly..........We did use the 16 diget no given to us from our provider! they said it was only ours and it's like a Pin code so how is it our fault!:(

You could have changed it.
Boards probably has a forum where you can ask "Why is my Internet slow" as opposed to blaming it on your ISP

deco05ie

giggsy664 wrote: »

You could have changed it.
Boards probably has a forum where you can ask "Why is my Internet slow" as opposed to blaming it on your ISP

Eircom deserve a lot of the blame. Eircom work out WEP passwords based on the name of the wireless network so no sniffing of packets is needed.

They are a unbelievably incompetent ISP

which makes me happy because all my neighbors have eircom:D

magenta73

deco05ie wrote: »

Eircom deserve a lot of the blame. Eircom work out WEP passwords based on the name of the wireless network so no sniffing of packets is needed.

They are a unbelievably incompetent ISP

which makes me happy because all my neighbors have eircom:D

hey!!!! I'm with eircom...........

Webmonkey

deco05ie wrote: »

Eircom deserve a lot of the blame. Eircom work out WEP passwords based on the name of the wireless network so no sniffing of packets is needed.

They are a unbelievably incompetent ISP

which makes me happy because all my neighbors have eircom:D

Yeah it's too easy. Just run an algorithm on the SSID to get the WEP key. Kept me going for past few years in College. Could go further and log into router and block out the neighbours when ya want more bandwidth.

Webmonkey

magenta73 wrote: »

hey!!!! I'm with eircom...........

Just log into http://192.168.1.254 I think it is, and change the WEP key to something new.

If that doesn't load, go start-run. Type cmd. Click ok. Then on black command prompt that loads, type ipconfig and take not of the number for the default gateway.

Spear

Webmonkey wrote: »

Just log into http://192.168.0.248 I think it is, and change the WEP key to something new.

192.168.1.254 is the default for Eircom usually.

Webmonkey

Thanks, just thought of it and edited there, but you quoted me too soon

Saruman

And change it to WPA instead of wep.

Leaving it on the default Eircom SSID/WEP key is pretty stupid. Eircom did or at least claim to have sent a letter to all customers to tell them to change the wep keys.
Plenty I have come across that have not so nice to get some quick free internet.

Webmonkey

Yeah, change to WPA. WEP is too easy to crack, though you'd only find few that would do it.

minidazzler

magenta73 wrote: »

How exactly..........We did use the 16 diget no given to us from our provider! they said it was only ours and it's like a Pin code so how is it our fault!:(

You're with Eircom aren't you? It is fairly easy to find out the password for that. All you need is the last 8 Digits on your SSID name, and the right webpage.

Saruman

minidazzler wrote: »

You're with Eircom aren't you? It is fairly easy to find out the password for that. All you need is the last 8 Digits on your SSID name, and the right webpage.

Not even the right webpage. There is an offline java version too.

ArseBurger

Webmonkey wrote: »

WEP is too easy to crack

Gotta love comments like this.

bronte

Cheeky feckers op! Change your password...then leave a note saying feck off and get your own damn internet :pac:

ArseBurger

bronte wrote: »

Cheeky feckers op! Change your password...then leave a note saying feck off and get your own damn internet :pac:

Or man in the middle them...

Spear

ArseBurger wrote: »

Or man in the middle them...

Like this?

http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html

Kinetic^

AAaaaaaaarrrrghhhh, my jerk of a neighbour just changed his router security! I have his new password though!

dr.bollocko

bronte wrote: »

Cheeky feckers op! Change your password...then leave a note saying feck off and get your own damn internet :pac:

Yeah change the SSID to "Sod off freeloaders". That'll definitely contribute to good neighbourhood relations.

My name is URL

You should only allow wireless access to specific MAC addresses, ie. the machines you own

Webmonkey

My name is URL wrote: »

You should only allow wireless access to specific MAC addresses, ie. the machines you own

MAC addresses are also too easy to change :pac:

My name is URL

Webmonkey wrote: »

MAC addresses are also too easy to change :pac:

Change to what though..? The freeloader still needs to get the right MAC to spoof.

And with a decent router password that's not such an easy task.

bronte

Always good to be popular down the old residents association meeting

dr.bollocko

No more talk on what to use to spoof please.

Caoimhín

dr.bollocko wrote: »

No more talk on what to use to spoof please.

Arson is out of the question then?

[-0-]

Do not use WEP. Use WPA1/2.

People should really do some research before using the Internet. If you don't, you deserve what you get.

jape

dr.bollocko wrote: »

No more talk on what to use to spoof please.

WHAT???? Nowhere once did I mention how to actually spoof, that tool is used to capture unencrypted data that's floating around freely, even on secured wireless networks.

My name is URL is making a statement

Change to what though..? The freeloader still needs to get the right MAC to spoof.

And with a decent router password that's not such an easy task.

Which is simply untrue and actually quite dangerous, to be encouraging people their network is safe once they apply MAC address filtering. That is not true, as my post (which you deleted) proved.

What the hell is wrong with you?

dr.bollocko

Caoimhín wrote: »

Arson is out of the question then?

Arson is also out of the question.



When I type in bold I read my posts back in a robot voice.

My name is URL

jape wrote: »

My name is URL is making a statement


Which is simply untrue and actually quite dangerous, to be encouraging people their network is safe once they apply MAC address filtering. That is not true, as my post (which you deleted) proved.

What the hell is wrong with you?

Where did I say "encouraging people their network is safe once they apply MAC address filtering"??

Jesus christ, if you're gonna misquote me at least try not to quote my actual post alongside it

I simply meant that it adds an extra layer of security

dr.bollocko

jape wrote: »

WHAT???? Nowhere once did I mention how to actually spoof, that tool is used to capture unencrypted data that's floating around freely, even on secured wireless networks.

My name is URL is making a statement


Which is simply untrue and actually quite dangerous, to be encouraging people their network is safe once they apply MAC address filtering. That is not true, as my post (which you deleted) proved.

What the hell is wrong with you?

Calm down bddy. I'm just deleting while I investigate. Just in case.

jape

My name is URL wrote: »

Where did I say "encouraging people their network is safe once they apply MAC address filtering"??

Jesus christ, if you're gonna misquote me at least try not to quote my actual post alongside it

I simply meant that it adds an extra layer of security

Yeah but you didn't say use it in combination with wpa or whatever. Also it's an extremely weak layer of security and if someone wants to get access to your network, then it will take them about 3 seconds to get past that "layer".

I just put a lot of effort into that deleted post that's why I was p***ed off.

elyod

I have no encryption enabled on my Wireless.

Much easier to connect up all of the devices without having to enter in the passphrase over and over on each of them.

I live in the country side so makes no difference.

Webmonkey

Calm down people

Simple:

MAC Filtering alone is not enough. There are tools out there that can sniff at a raw level.
However, MAC in addition to WPA is good.

WEP is easy to crack.

It is important people is aware of this and not to censor this kind of stuff.

Simple, WPA + MAC filtering if you like.
Eircom users, change your security to WPA and put a admin password on the routers configuration page. Also change your SSID so it doesn't broadcast to world you on eircom broadband.

Webmonkey

elyod wrote: »

I have no encryption enabled on my Wireless.

Much easier to connect up all of the devices without having to enter in the passphrase over and over on each of them.

I live in the country side so makes no difference.

Yeah I'm same actually, gives better data rates anyways since I'm only on 802.11b. If I had neighbors, then that would be another matter.

Epic Tissue

How can you tell if someone is using your connection anyway?

Webmonkey

Epic Tissue wrote: »

How can you tell if someone is using your connection anyway?

Well one option is logging into the router, with eircom: http://192.168.1.254 and going to advanced settings and viewing Lan connections or something like that. You will see a list of connected MAC addresses with their host addresses too usually.

Another is to install Wireshark and you can see traffic. For example, people requesting web addresses, email etc.

magenta73

Epic Tissue wrote: »

How can you tell if someone is using your connection anyway?

I right clicked on the small monitor icon at the bottom right hand side and went to "connect to a network", it shows who is connected to your network, it should of only been us, but lots of people's name came up.

Webmonkey

magenta73 wrote: »

I right clicked on the small monitor icon at the bottom right hand side and went to "connect to a network", it shows who is connected to your network, it should of only been us, but lots of people's name came up.

That doesn't mean they are connected to your network. You can see laptops around you and can attempt to connect to them in adhoc mode. Is it by this you think people are using your broadband?

Mr. CooL ICE

magenta73 wrote: »

I right clicked on the small monitor icon at the bottom right hand side and went to "connect to a network", it shows who is connected to your network, it should of only been us, but lots of people's name came up.

TBH, that sounds more like the other wireless networks that are available to you


Stop stealing other peoples broadband, you damn hypocrit!

Posting this utilising the generosity of a neighbours wi fi.

Ostrom

For the benefit of idiots (me)

Can someone explain how to secure - changing SSID and passwords?

Gummy Panda

OP, simple steps to securing your eircom router

1. Log into 192.168.1.254 and enter admin password
2. change SSID name
3. Turn off broadcasting SSID name
4. Change from WEP to WPA
5. Set up MAC address filtering
6. Set up a log so you can record who connected to the network
7. Wrap router in tinfoil

With these steps not even Johnny Lee Miller from Hackers could get in.

Webmonkey

Nor can you get in with the tinfoil

Also - by default there is no admin password on the router control panel, well least from ones I've seen. Might be good to enable this too.