Just so you know...

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 4:30pm #1

I've watched the last few S14 games and especially the bok players for the Lions tour and I have to say that the Lions are going to be in real trouble. Even Leinster's magnificent performance against Munster looks amateur.

Lions take warning, you are in for a serious beating....

16-05-2009 4:41pm

Amabokke wrote: »

I've watched the last few S14 games and especially the bok players for the Lions tour and I have to say that the Lions are going to be in real trouble. Even Leinster's magnificent performance against Munster looks amateur.

Lions take warning, you are in for a serious beating....

Just so you know,nobody cares about your one eyed analysis.

With the racial quota we have a good chance,you are weak at Fullback,13 and up front.

CoDy1 · 16-05-2009 4:43pm

Amabokke wrote: »

I've watched the last few S14 games and especially the bok players for the Lions tour and I have to say that the Lions are going to be in real trouble. Even Leinster's magnificent performance against Munster looks amateur.

Lions take warning, you are in for a serious beating....

An unbiased opinion I presume? :rolleyes:

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 4:55pm

Hailee Black Senselessness wrote: »

Just so you know,nobody cares about your one eyed analysis.

With the racial quota we have a good chance,you are weak at Fullback,13 and up front.

15. Stefan Terreblanche, Zane Kirchner, Joe Pietersen, Frans Steyn :cool:

13. Jacque Fourie, Adi Jacobs, Wynand Olivier :cool:

We won't go to the forwards, we have an abundance of bulldozers with pure skill, pace and physicality :cool:

Racial quota is actually good at the moment - Pietersen, Jacobs, Nduganes, Habana, Beast, Kirchner, Steenkamp, January, Conradie, "Watson"

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 4:56pm

CoDy1 wrote: »

An unbiased opinion I presume? :rolleyes:

Simple reality check...

16-05-2009 5:01pm

Amabokke wrote: »

15. Stefan Terreblanche, Zane Kirchner, Joe Pietersen, Frans Steyn :cool:

13. Jacque Fourie, Adi Jacobs, Wynand Olivier :cool:

We won't go to the forwards, we have an abundance of bulldozers with pure skill, pace and physicality :cool:

Racial quota is actually good at the moment - Pietersen, Jacobs, Nduganes, Habana, Beast, Kirchner, Steenkamp, January, Conradie, "Watson"

Terreblanche and Fourie should starts but instead it will probably be Earl Rose ,seeing as jantjes is injured and Adi Jacobs will start 13.

The Beast and the other lad are both weak scrummagers.
If they were serious they would have brought back Botha.

Your back 3 are all rubbish in the air and with the boot and if they get into a territorial battle with the Lions back 3 they will come off worse.

There are areas of weakness.

Podge_irl · 16-05-2009 5:09pm

Right so, I'll get onto McGeechan and get the tour cancelled.

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 5:11pm

Hailee Black Senselessness wrote: »

Terreblanche and Fourie should starts but instead it will probably be Earl Rose ,seeing as jantjes is injured and Adi Jacobs will start 13.

The Beast and the other lad are both weak scrummagers.
If they were serious they would have brought back Botha.

Botha can't help Ulster, how would he help the boks, Steenkamp is an animal. Beast is strong enough for a 23 year old and few other white lads that will be chosen.

Your back 3 are all rubbish in the air and with the boot and if they get into a territorial battle with the Lions back 3 they will come off worse

Ok stats if you insist,
Player, Games played, catch ball in air, knocked ball.

Terreblanche, Steyn, Pietersen, Rose all have excellent boots. It will be 15 against 15 not 3 against 3. Boks won

Lions as a team is terrible and will be beaten in all 3 tests.

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 5:12pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

Right so, I'll get onto McGeechan and get the tour cancelled.

Don't it'll be good to hand them a good rugby lesson .

dan719 · 16-05-2009 5:17pm

Amabokke wrote: »

Lions as a team is terrible and will be beaten in all 3 tests.

How come you know the starting line up already? Any chance you could tell the rest of us along with tonights lotto numbers?:rolleyes:

louthandproud · 16-05-2009 5:25pm

Amabokke wrote: »

I've watched the last few S14 games and especially the bok players for the Lions tour and I have to say that the Lions are going to be in real trouble. Even Leinster's magnificent performance against Munster looks amateur.

Lions take warning, you are in for a serious beating....

Are they going to allow forward passes on the Lions tour, as they seem to with S14?

16-05-2009 5:25pm

Amabokke wrote: »

Hailee Black Senselessness wrote: »

Terreblanche and Fourie should starts but instead it will probably be Earl Rose ,seeing as jantjes is injured and Adi Jacobs will start 13.

Botha can't help Ulster, how would he help the boks, Steenkamp is an animal. Beast is strong enough for a 23 year old and few other white lads that will be chosen.

Ok stats if you insist,
Player, Games played, catch ball in air, knocked ball.

Terreblanche, Steyn, Pietersen, Rose all have excellent boots. It will be 15 against 15 not 3 against 3. Boks won

Lions as a team is terrible and will be beaten in all 3 tests.

You didnt provide any stats?
What are you on about.

The back 3 will be
15-Earl Rose
14-habana
11-Pieterson

None of them have the kicking or aerial abilities of the Lions back 3.

The others you mentioned might get 1 game or else they will be on the bench.

Also Bj Botha has been good for Ulster this year,not his fault the team are underperforming and he would be starting for the Boks if they picked their best players.

Imo the Lions shouldnt even be touring SA.
If some of the team is picked on race and not merit I would have a moral problem with that if I was a player.
Well thats my opinion anyway.

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 5:31pm

Hailee Black Senselessness wrote: »

Amabokke wrote: »

You didnt provide any stats?
What are you on about.

The back 3 will be
15-Earl Rose
14-habana
11-Pieterson

None of them have the kicking or aerial abilities of the Lions back 3.

The others you mentioned might get 1 game or else they will be on the bench.

Also Bj Botha has been good for Ulster this year,not his fault the team are underperforming and he would be starting for the Boks if they picked their best players.

Now Goose, stay with me.

According to you the boks back three will come off worst agains the Lions back three based on territorial, weak in the air, etc. so therefore you provide the stats.

I mentioned that the boks will beat the Lions in all three test matches having watched all of the Heinken Cup, 6Nations and S14 and the game in the NH is so slow they will struggle to keep up.

Also, June/July in South Africa the grounds are hard and tough and not like the soft mug here. Lions players will not be used to that or the altitude as there is a lot of new players.

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 5:35pm

louthandproud wrote: »

Are they going to allow forward passes on the Lions tour, as they seem to with S14?

Already blaming the ref?

You should check with Lawrence, Berdos and Dickinson. If you are talking about the current Bulls vs Sharks matchs Craig Joubert is rubbish.

Forward passing will always be part of the game.

louthandproud · 16-05-2009 5:36pm

Amabokke wrote: »

Forward passing will always be part of the game.

SH game maybe not NH, it is in fact against the rules.

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 5:38pm

Hailee Black Senselessness wrote: »

Amabokke wrote: »

Imo the Lions shouldnt even be touring SA.
If some of the team is picked on race and not merit I would have a moral problem with that if I was a player.
Well thats my opinion anyway.

The best bok squad will be selected and i don't think colour will be an issue. The current crop of coloured players are good enough bar Mujati.

The main issue will not be race but injuries to unfluencial players.

Botha was originally not selected but the coach made it clear bok players must reside in SA, nothing to do with colour.

Jackz · 16-05-2009 5:42pm

louthandproud wrote: »

SH game maybe not NH, it is in fact against the rules.

The also award a try at the drop of a hat, one was awarded this morning where the ball had clearly been dropped before being grounded, another where the ref had no view of it asked was there a reason he couldn't award it.

16-05-2009 5:44pm

Amabokke wrote: »

Hailee Black Senselessness wrote: »

The best bok squad will be selected and i don't think colour will be an issue. The current crop of coloured players are good enough bar Mujati.

The main issue will not be race but injuries to unfluencial players.

Botha was originally not selected but the coach made it clear bok players must reside in SA, nothing to do with colour.

The best squad will be selected but you can be damn sure the best team will not.
Unfortunately politics is intertwined with sport in SA and I feel very strongly the two should not mix.

If they were banned from playing during the end of the aparteid era I find it a ridiculous contradiction to play them when the team selection has racial connotations.

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 5:46pm

louthandproud wrote: »

SH game maybe not NH, it is in fact against the rules.

Remember Michalak's forward pass in WC?
or
Forward pass to Tom Croft who got tackled into touch against Scotland.
or
Bastareaud's forward pass against Italy
or
forward pass by France against Scotland that resulted in try

This is not really an issue. I agree a forward is a forward and should be penalised.

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 5:49pm

Hailee Black Senselessness wrote: »

Amabokke wrote: »

The best squad will be selected but you can be damn sure the best team will not.
Unfortunately politics is intertwined with sport in SA and I feel very strongly the two should not mix.

If they were banned from playing during the end of the aparteid era I find it a ridiculous contradiction to play them when the team selection has racial connotations.

This racial thing is not a major issue anymore. We have a coloured coach and he will select the best squad/team for the Lions as he did since he started.

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 5:52pm

Jackz wrote: »

The also award a try at the drop of a hat, one was awarded this morning where the ball had clearly been dropped before being grounded, another where the ref had no view of it asked was there a reason he couldn't award it.

There will always be dubious decisions, remember the O'Gara controversial try against Italy before WC??

16-05-2009 5:53pm

Amabokke wrote: »

This racial thing is not a major issue anymore. We have a coloured coach and he will select the best squad/team for the Lions as he did since he started.

Do you think Adi Jacobs is better than Jaque Fourie?
No hes not,but he will start because he is black.

Do you think Earl Rose is in better form than terrablanche or better than Steyn?
No hes not but he will get selected because hes black.

Theres more of this **** going on in the front 3.
How the **** can you say its a non issue anymore,thats bollox and you know it.

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 5:59pm

Hailee Black Senselessness wrote: »

Do you think Jacobs is better than Jaque Fourie?
No hes not,but he will start because he is black.

Do you think Earl Rose is in better form than terrablanche or better than Steyn?
No hes not but he will get selected because hes black.

How the **** can you say its a non issue anymore,thats bollox and you know it.

Jacobs and Fourie both play very well off De Villiers. Fourie is a harder worker but he did got injured before Jacbos established himself. Fourie was lead try scorer the year before and Jacobs scored the most this year. Jacobs played well and didn't do anything wrong so it'll be harder for Fourie (even playing well) to win it back.

How do you know if Earl or Terreblanche will get selected, the team is only announced 1st June. Again, Rose is 25 and Terreblanche is 34 so the latter has played with the boks before and have more experience but both players offer something good to the team.

I believe that Kirchner who is almost white will be selected if Steyn is not ready.

Steyn is still a 50/50 chance but if he is fit he will be the fullback with his deadly dropgoals.

16-05-2009 6:07pm

Amabokke wrote: »

How do you know if Earl or Terreblanche will get selected, the team is only announced 1st June. Again, Rose is 25 and Terreblanche is 34 so the latter has played with the boks before and have more experience but both players offer something good to the team.

I believe that Kirchner who is almost white will be selected if Steyn is not ready.

Steyn is still a 50/50 chance but if he is fit he will be the fullback with his deadly dropgoals.

We will have to wait and see.:rolleyes:

Steyn dropgoal rate must be 1 dropgoal per 200 attempts.I hope he does play,he kicks away a ridiculous amount of good ball away trying to do his stupid dropkicks.

Serenity Now! · 16-05-2009 6:09pm

Hailee Black Senselessness wrote: »

Do you think Adi Jacobs is better than Jaque Fourie?
No hes not,but he will start because he is black.

Do you think Earl Rose is in better form than terrablanche or better than Steyn?
No hes not but he will get selected because hes black.

Theres more of this **** going on in the front 3.
How the **** can you say its a non issue anymore,thats bollox and you know it.

Oh pull your head in.
Jacobs is a crash-hot centre who is the future for 13 on the Boks side and yes I think he is the better option for outside centre. Loads more to his game and bags more pace than Fourie's bish-bosh style.

Serenity Now! · 16-05-2009 6:10pm

Jackz wrote: »

another where the ref had no view of it asked was there a reason he couldn't award it.

That is what a referee who cannot see the grounding of a ball asks the TMO in all games, northern or southern hemisphere :rolleyes:

Jackz · 16-05-2009 6:12pm

Serenity Now! wrote: »

That is what a referee who cannot see the grounding of a ball asks the TMO in all games, northern or southern hemisphere :rolleyes:

Where it is likely a try was scored at the time, just before that he asked the tmo was this a try yes or no, the tmo said inconclusive and there was no try.

16-05-2009 6:15pm

Serenity Now! wrote: »

Oh pull your head in.
Jacobs is a crash-hot centre who is the future for 13 on the Boks side and yes I think he is the better option for outside centre. Loads more to his game and bags more pace than Fourie's bish-bosh style.

Fourie is twice the player jacobs is.

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 6:20pm

Hailee Black Senselessness wrote: »

Fourie is twice the player jacobs is.

Both great players in different ways.

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 6:23pm

Jackz wrote: »

Where it is likely a try was scored at the time, just before that he asked the tmo was this a try yes or no, the tmo said inconclusive and there was no try.

I don't get your point. If a referee can't see the try (and because you can on the telly) he is therefore allowed to ask the TMO to be sure.

Wayne Barnes did not see Michalak's forward pass so even NH refs get it wrong.

Jackz · 16-05-2009 6:27pm

Amabokke wrote: »

I don't get your point. If a referee can't see the try (and because you can on the telly) he is therefore allowed to ask the TMO to be sure.

Wayne Barnes did not see Michalak's forward pass so even NH refs get it wrong.

The ref was ****e, he handled the same situation differently: in the first instance he could not see the grounding so he asked the tmo, the tmo said inconclusive, no try awarded, in the second instance he again didnt see the grounding asked the tmo, tmo said inconclusive, he awarded the try.

louthandproud · 16-05-2009 6:33pm

Amabokke wrote: »

Remember Michalak's forward pass in WC?
or
Forward pass to Tom Croft who got tackled into touch against Scotland.
or
Bastareaud's forward pass against Italy
or
forward pass by France against Scotland that resulted in try

This is not really an issue. I agree a forward is a forward and should be penalised.

Difference is in NH they are reffing mistakes in SH they are refs being deliberately lenient.

Hippo · 16-05-2009 6:39pm

What an utterly pointless thread. Does anyone really see the point in arguing with this WUM?

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 6:45pm

louthandproud wrote: »

Difference is in NH they are reffing mistakes in SH they are refs being deliberately lenient.

Can you prove that?

Hippo · 16-05-2009 6:46pm

Amabokke wrote: »

Can you prove that?

Stop! Stop! I can't take any more!

yeraulone · 16-05-2009 6:47pm

Amabokke wrote: »

I've watched the last few S14 games and especially the bok players for the Lions tour and I have to say that the Lions are going to be in real trouble. Even Leinster's magnificent performance against Munster looks amateur.

Lions take warning, you are in for a serious beating....

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 6:48pm

Hippo wrote: »

What an utterly pointless thread. Does anyone really see the point in arguing with this WUM?

Get back to the water.

Even ex-Lions players think so.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/britishandirishlionsrugby/5300541/Willie-John-McBride-and-Gareth-Edwards-on-the-Lions-chances-in-South-Africa.html

louthandproud · 16-05-2009 6:49pm

Amabokke wrote: »

Can you prove that?

Can you disprove it?

louthandproud · 16-05-2009 6:51pm

Hippo wrote: »

Stop! Stop! I can't take any more!

Don't read this thread then!

Hippo · 16-05-2009 6:56pm

It was a joke. I'm off now, thanks.

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 6:56pm

louthandproud wrote: »

Can you disprove it?

Yea, I have to agree NH refs are better.

anonymous_joe · 16-05-2009 7:45pm

You are aware of who the Boks coach is Amabokke?

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 8:01pm

anonymous_joe wrote: »

You are aware of who the Boks coach is Amabokke?

Yes, Dick Muir and Gary Gold.

davyjose · 16-05-2009 8:11pm

Amabokke wrote: »

I've watched the last few S14 games and especially the bok players for the Lions tour and I have to say that the Lions are going to be in real trouble. Even Leinster's magnificent performance against Munster looks amateur.

Lions take warning, you are in for a serious beating....

I actually thought a lot of the S14 teams looked crap this season and many of them would have taken a real hammering by quite a few NH teams. It's hard to make a judgement though because they never play one another. I will say this though, going forward S14 teams look sharp, but defensively I'd have question marks.

By the way, the above statement, the one in bold - ridiculous! Amateur? Come on man.

dan719 · 16-05-2009 8:46pm

Amabokke wrote: »

Get back to the water.

Even ex-Lions players think so.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/britishandirishlionsrugby/5300541/Willie-John-McBride-and-Gareth-Edwards-on-the-Lions-chances-in-South-Africa.html

Did you read the article, or did you just miss the part where Edwards and McBride both said they fancied the lions to win the series?:rolleyes:

Amabokke · 16-05-2009 9:11pm

dan719 wrote: »

Did you read the article, or did you just miss the part where Edwards and McBride both said they fancied the lions to win the series?:rolleyes:

Impressive :cool:

Did you miss the part where McBride wouldn't bet his house on the Lions winning :rolleyes: - his obviously not that confident.

Regardless of outcome, they are going to back the Lions

Four-Percent · 16-05-2009 9:34pm

The Telegraph wrote:

Willie John, if you were sticking your house on the call, would you still go for the Lions? Be honest now.

McBride: I'd never stick my house on the outcome of a rugby match.

Not really the same thing at all.

He said he'd back the lions to win - your point about ex-lions expecting a thrashing is totally wrong, at least with regard to McBride and Edwards.

The Ritz · 16-05-2009 9:41pm

I've watched the last few S14 games and especially the bok players for the Lions tour and I have to say that the Lions are going to be in real trouble. Even Leinster's magnificent performance against Munster looks amateur.

Lions take warning, you are in for a serious beating....

Apply liberally..............

Ritz.

Nukem · 16-05-2009 9:48pm

This is a real stupid thread. Anyone with half a brain would know that ya the Saffries are looking good but to write the Lions off.......eh = stupid

Two different completely different styles of rugby - I hope its a 99' tour with a Lions 99 call at some stage, and knock f*ckin lumps out of them. Sick of hearing all this negative rubbish, NH rugby is in great shape and they have a pretty decent squad with a good coaching staff that box clever.

Write the Lions off at your peril I reckon............new thread please

Depp · 16-05-2009 10:11pm

Hailee Black Senselessness wrote: »

Just so you know,nobody cares about your one eyed analysis.

With the racial quota we have a good chance,you are weak at Fullback,13 and up front.

Relying On racism to win? Tut, Tut, Tut.

16-05-2009 10:33pm

Depp wrote: »

Relying On racism to win? Tut, Tut, Tut.

Cen fath?

Just so you know...

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