and then a complete downer !!

KStaford

I have been posting and reading in the cycling forum now for about three weeks. In that time I have really enjoyed being here and find the community welcoming, helpful, friendly and sociable. I have even met a few of you at tours and cycles around the country. Things were going great until tonight.....

I am selling a MTB over on adverts here. I know its no state of the art market leader but I kept it in mint condition and I thought I priced it very fairly. I am a mature student so need to get rid of it as I dont have the space for it (new commuter) and need the cash.

So, I come home tonight and find a post on the ad that reads

Ha ha sweet bike my hole.

from user Halfrauds who is a regular here.

Is it me, or is this nasty ? I dont need that kinda mean sh1t i my life. God knows the world is full of enough crap.

Quigs Snr

It probably is a little off color, but then again if you put a comment such as sweet bike up, then you are opening yourself up a little bit. Best just to list the spec and the price. Comments like sweet bike are up there with "first to see will buy" types of nonsense.

That is a fine bike for most people to cycle into work on etc... or for a kid, but for the kind of users we get around here, well lets just say we wouldn't be into that kind of machine, those are the kinds of bikes more commonly found in toyshops and supermarkets and for good reason. Not to say it doesn't have its place. If you were selling it on cycling adverts you might be laughed out of it because most of us are serious about bikes (and most of us are snobs - it would be like going to a porsche forum and trying to sell a Fiat Cinquecento as a "Sweet Car"!), but if you are selling it in adverts, which is not a specialist forum, well those kind of comments don't belong and the infraction that Halfrauds will undoubtably receive will be well deserved. Halfrauds, you should do what the rest of us do when we see a ridiculous bike for sale and thats come over to the cycling forum and poke fun at it, not on the actual ad itself though !

FWIW, I don't think theres anything wrong with your bike, it looks well maintained and you are asking for a bad price, if I still lived in Dublin its exactley the kind of throwaway bike I would ride to work on. Good luck with the sale.

crazydingo

I havent read the ad so I cant be completely certain of the context but if that is to be interpreted there in the way you have conveyed it here then it's sad to see because that sort of comment clearly isn't called for in a for sale ad and it is in no way helpful so it was probably a comment made for self-gratification. And if that is how he/she brightens up their life then it is a sad life indeed

KStaford

Quigs Snr wrote: »

It probably is a little off color, but then again if you put a comment such as sweet bike up, then you are opening yourself up a little bit. Best just to list the spec and the price. Comments like sweet bike are up there with "first to see will buy" types of nonsense.

That is a fine bike for most people to cycle into work on etc... or for a kid, but for the kind of users we get around here, well lets just say we wouldn't be into that kind of machine, those are the kinds of bikes more commonly found in toyshops and supermarkets and for good reason. Not to say it doesn't have its place. If you were selling it on cycling adverts you might be laughed out of it because most of us are serious about bikes, but if you are selling it in adverts, well those kind of comments don't belong.

FWIW if I still lived in Dublin its exactley the kind of throwaway bike I would ride to work on.

I realise that the bike is not for the serious amongst you. Thats where I positioned it in terms of where I advertised it and the price (actually sold it yesterday for 100 quid which is a fair price). So I said its a "sweet bike", you know what - to me it is a sweet bike, I have had great fun on it cycling Derroura (Connemara), I know the person I sold it to and they too will have a lot of fun with it. Was refering to it as a sweet bike some kind of sin on my part ? Surely it did not deserve that dam awful mean comment

Nietzschean

KStaford wrote: »

Was refering to it as a sweet bike some kind of sin on my part ? Surely it did not deserve that dam awful mean comment

If you comment on how good it is, which is of course entirely subjective, you can't be surprised if the MTB heads don't agree. and tbh mountain from mole-hill, his comment isn't all that elaborative/bad, sure its not nice/constructive really but, as unhelpful quips go it could have been lots worse.

DirkVoodoo

It's the internet and ink is cheap...

You can't pay too much attention to these kinds of things, anyone looking at the bike will be looking at the photos and the description to decide, not other users comments. If they are really unsure, you get people coming on here asking "is it a good deal?"

It's not even worth getting offended over.

KStaford

Nietzschean wrote: »

If you comment on how good it is, which is of course entirely subjective, you can't be surprised if the MTB heads don't agree. and tbh mountain from mole-hill, his comment isn't all that elaborative/bad, sure its not nice/constructive really but, as unhelpful quips go it could have been lots worse.

really, so am I being naive then ? am I being too sensitive ? has the world really gotten this lousy ??

Gavin

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

It's the internet and ink is cheap...

You can't pay too much attention to these kinds of things, anyone looking at the bike will be looking at the photos and the description to decide, not other users comments. If they are really unsure, you get people coming on here asking "is it a good deal?"

It's not even worth getting offended over.

What Dirk says, it wasn't a particularly nice comment, or needed, but you are perhaps too sensitive! Cyclists need thick skins!

10 quid sent to your charity account, good luck

crazydingo

I have had issues with derogatory comments on sales also, and yeah I was angry and annoyed but perhaps you are taking this a little too badly?
Rather than think of it as a personal attack, think of it as an off the cuff remark. It wasn't followed up with any more comments (perhaps due to the mod warning, perhaps not), I doubt he is concerning himself over it and you sold the bike so neither should you for the sake of peace of mind.

And while we are on the subject of the bike being sold, if you haven't done so already, could you mark it as sold please?

DirkVoodoo

KStaford wrote: »

really, so am I being naive then ? am I being too sensitive ? has the world really gotten this lousy ??

I wouldn't use this as an indictment of the entire cycling forum or the world at large. People say things, behind your back, to your face or even on the internet. I don't think there was much malice behind it, I don't think he should have said it, but you need to shrug it off and laugh at it at least.

DirkVoodoo

Gavin wrote: »

What Dirk says, it wasn't a particularly nice comment, or needed, but you are perhaps too sensitive! Cyclists need thick skins!

Yes, it helps with the road rash.

KStaford

I take the point that I may be a little too sensitive about it, but as it happens, the mods agree with me and have issued him a warning. I'm not loosing sleep over it or anything, I just think it was a smug, arrogant comment and I didn't want to let him off the hook. But believe me, I will sleep very well tonight.

crazydingo: Bike now marked sold, thanks for reminding me.
Gavin: Extremely grateful for the donation, thank you so much.

I'll make one point here folks, if we all say, "ah thats just the way it is on the net" or "could have been worse" then we are just exapnding what is the accepted norm to include what we once regarded as being rude. Why should we let that happen? there's enough of that crap in the world. (gets down off soap box:rolleyes:)

thebouldwhacker

KStaford wrote: »

I have been posting and reading in the cycling forum now for about three weeks. In that time I have really enjoyed being here and find the community welcoming, helpful, friendly and sociable. I have even met a few of you at tours and cycles around the country. Things were going great until tonight.....


Is it me, or is this nasty ? I dont need that kinda mean sh1t i my life. God knows the world is full of enough crap.

KStaford, pay no heed.

If you think of it another way he didn't dis your bike per se just the comment that its a sweet bike, you think it is sweet, he doesnt... thats all.

He did recieve this from the mod though

Halfrauds warned for threadspoiling - keep the derogatory comments to yourself please.

Which should restore your faith in the nature of the boards

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

It's the internet and ink is cheap...

Class:D, the quote that'll keep on giving:pac:

KStaford wrote: »

really, so am I being naive then ? am I being too sensitive ? has the world really gotten this lousy ??

The world isnt lousy, it would have been lousy if no one replied to this thread but instead all are replying to your concern:D

Anyway, Halfrauds prob has a nice €€€ bike which perhaps you may see as a waste of money?!?
People are different thats all, sites like this one are simular to walking down a street shouting out your beliefs such as 'i think this is a sweet bike' people are gonna shout back and sometimes they will not agree with you and you may not like what you hear.

After all would life would be dull if everyone had the same taste.

Imho the comment shouldnt have been posted, its not like you were mis selling, ie trying to pass a cheap bike off with a high price (which does happen)

So chin up, fight your corner and keep posting:D

Vélo

KStaford...If you think the bike was a sweet bike well then it was a sweet bike.

You got your fun out of it so what more do you want and I'm sure the person that bought it thinks it's a sweet bike too!

victorcarrera

Words spoken can sometimes say more about the speaker than the subject.

Junior

Did Halfrauds not go off on a rant in the adverts forum as well ?

tunney

KStaford wrote: »

really, so am I being naive then ? am I being too sensitive ? has the world really gotten this lousy ??

Have to be honest you are being very very naive and massively overly sensitive.

I think as a result of your naivity you believed it was a sweet bike. For a semi-serious cyclist its a piece of, well I'll stop there. For me personally I wouldn't swing my let over it in case I got injured on it.

KStaford

tunney wrote: »

Have to be honest you are being very very naive and massively overly sensitive.

I think as a result of your naivity you believed it was a sweet bike. For a semi-serious cyclist its a piece of, well I'll stop there. For me personally I wouldn't swing my let over it in case I got injured on it.

Like I explained twice here already, I positioned the bike at the lower end of the market where I realise it belongs. The price I saught was spot on - very fair, and I got it. There's nothing naive about that, where I was possibly being naive was in being over sensitive to the goddam awful comments of an ignorant moron.

Lumen

tunney wrote: »

I think as a result of your naivity you believed it was a sweet bike. For a semi-serious cyclist its a piece of, well I'll stop there. For me personally I wouldn't swing my let over it in case I got injured on it.

Excellent, back to form.

I was a bit concerned that you were going soft after recommending a triple to someone the other day.

niceonetom

When Halfrauds first appeared here I thought he was Kona in rebranded. His, eh, forthright manner and near pathological use of this: were clearly the work of a very deep thinker. Turns out that no, guys like this are ten a penny on the internet. Every forum has posters who are completely in touch with their inner angry teen, and sure they add colour, don't they? This is the internet, not a garden party.

KStaford wrote: »

... where I was possibly being naive was in being over sensitive to the goddam awful comments of an ignorant moron.

Tread softly dude. Where you're being naive right now is in thinking that you can write stuff like that (justified or not) and not start a flame war, one that may well become nasty and eventually ban worthy. Unless you like flame wars? mmm? G'wan - it's Friday...

:D:D;)

Raam

niceonetom wrote: »

G'wan - it's Friday...

:D:D;)

Alright so... Tom, your views and opinions are flawed to the nth. I'm not referring to any particular view or opinion that you have ever expressed, or may express in the future and nor do I actually believe that your views and opinions are flawed, I always find them interesting and amusing, but we have to ignite this flame war somehow...

Lumen

Raam wrote: »

Alright so... Tom, your views and opinions are flawed to the nth. I'm not referring to any particular view or opinion that you have ever expressed, or may express in the future and nor do I actually believe that your views and opinions are flawed, I always find them interesting and amusing, but we have to ignite this flame war somehow...

Your bike is gay.

TinyExplosions

Can we not all just have some cake and relax... please!

TinyExplosions

Lumen wrote: »

Your bike is gay.

I do believe you'll find it's my bike that is, in fact, gay

Raam

Lumen wrote: »

Your bike is gay.

I didn't hear you say that when you rode it the other night. And why have you got a picture of me as your avatar?

Lumen

Raam wrote: »

I didn't hear you say that when you rode it the other night. And why have you got a picture of me as your avatar?

It's not you. It's your mother. She was just getting dressed.

How are we doing now?

Raam

Lumen wrote: »

How are we doing now?

We're, like, so over

tunney

TinyExplosions wrote: »

Can we not all just have some cake and relax... please!

I think you need to stop eating cake.

Chips Lovell

The guy was out of line, but reporting it to the mods is the most appropriate form of action. I don't think starting a thread just to complain about another user is very productive.

Raam

el tonto wrote: »

The guy was out of line, but reporting it to the mods is the most appropriate form of action. I don't think starting a thread just to complain about another user is very productive.

Did you come on here just to give out about another poster posting about another poster? Cos that's just not on.

scottreynolds

Raam wrote: »

Did you come on here just to give out about another poster posting about another poster? Cos that's just not on.

Report him to the mods....................

Raam

scottreynolds wrote: »

Report him to the mods....................

Don't tell me what to do.

tunney

Raam wrote: »

Did you come on here just to give out about another poster posting about another poster? Cos that's just not on.

and to be fair its not a sweet bike.

Firstly its a mountain bike. Everyone knows they're not real bikes.

Lumen

tunney wrote: »

and to be fair its not a sweet bike.

Firstly its a mountain bike. Everyone knows they're not real bikes.

Yeah, but everyone also knows that triathletes are not real cyclists.

scottreynolds

Raam wrote: »

Don't tell me what to do.

Don't tell me I cant tell you what to do. Its my constitutional right to have freedom of speech.

Raam

Lumen wrote: »

Yeah, but everyone also knows that triathletes are not real cyclists.

They get to wear man bras though. That takes the focus of silly clothing away from roadies for a bit.

Raam

scottreynolds wrote: »

Don't tell me I cant tell you what to do. Its my constitutional right to have freedom of speech.

Get back to Kiwi-land ya bleedin sheep.

TinyExplosions

tunney wrote: »

I think you need to stop eating cake.

You callin me fat? Feckin triathletes comin over here stealing our wimmen... back to your own forum ya big weirdo

tunney

Lumen wrote: »

Yeah, but everyone also knows that triathletes are not real cyclists.

If by real cyclist you mean fat, overweight men with delusions of fitness - then yes you're right.

TinyExplosions

tunney wrote: »

If by real cyclist you mean fat, overweight men with delusions of fitness - then yes you're right.

Well that shows where you're wrong mister, I don't think I'm fit, so ya boo sucks to you!

tunney wrote: »

I ride more than you, am a bigger git than you and don't own a triple or a compact - YOU get over to the other forum.

I don't see one called 'Fred' I'm afraid...

ROK ON

tunney wrote: »

and to be fair its not a sweet bike.

Firstly its a mountain bike. Everyone knows they're not real bikes.

I think the expression is truffle hunters!!

ROK ON

Can we not just all learn to get along. Where is the love?

KStaford

eh........

I'll get my coat :rolleyes:

tunney

KStaford wrote: »

eh........

I'll get my coat :rolleyes:

and its not a sweet coat either.

TinyExplosions

tunney wrote: »

and its not a sweet coat either.

sweet coat my hole

Raam

TinyExplosions wrote: »

sweet coat my hole

I shall do no such thing. You pig!

TinyExplosions

Raam wrote: »

I shall do no such thing. You pig!

Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!

tunney

Never mind the cycling sub-forum for Commuting - I think we need one for gaylord freds.

DirkVoodoo

tunney wrote: »

Never mind the cycling sub-forum for Commuting - I think we need one for gaylord freds.

Wouldn't that just move most of the cycling forum to a new location?

Caroline_ie

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Wouldn't that just move most of the cycling forum to a new location?

Like to the hair dressers for Dirk, that'd be handy...?

Sorry

DirkVoodoo

Hey, I'm not saying I wouldn't be on the list for moderator of that forum, but I can name about 20 people who would be ahead of me

You would have to stay here Caroline, you are not a gaylord Fred and all the T-mobile jerseys in the world won't change that.