Mobile phone masts linked to suicide

b28

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/49330/Suicides-linked-to-phone-masts-

This frightened me, sent shivers down my spine! I do believe there is some truth to this.

I think in a way technology is great and all the rest, but it's killing not only traditional values and ways of life that are now considered "old school", but OUR HEALTH.

I tend to text more than make calls, and I certainly hope that that's healthier!

Jigsaw

Bollocks. Catch yourself on.

I can picture the film now. Nic Cage discovers an international conspiracy perpetrated by the evil mobile phone companies in a bid to send the worlds population into a spate of mass suicides in order to clear the way for our new lizard overlords.

On second thougths, that could actually be a pretty decent film.

*Runs off to change final college project to a high concept Nic Cage in stupid wig epic.

The Pontiac

I'd be very dubious about this report to be honest. Remember a few years ago the 'experts' were saying our brains were going to be fried from mobile phones.

I recall a lot of these suicides in Wales occurring in a close time frame. Not all, I know, and a lot of them had connections ie. some knew each other (bebo friends etc). I'd suggest a copycat suicide chain.

I apparently live in an area described as the 'the suicide capital of the world' http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article444292.ece. I don't actually live in Midleton, but very close, and my village has a high rate of suicide too (well above average).

But I'd go with the suggestion in the above link "According to Brian Jordan, a local GP, the fact that many of the suicides occurred in clusters suggests that once one person does it, it becomes a viable option for others."

I'd be very dubious about the phone mast theory. Why is it so, that most of these young people in Wales were in the same age category? Don't most age groups use cell phones?

That's my take. But I'm no expert.

randylonghorn

zudo wrote: »

I'd be very dubious about this report tto be honest. Remember a few years ago the 'experts' were saying our brains were going to be fried from mobile phones.

Have you read AH recently?!! :pac:

tobias_wolf

i doubt it, but i do kinda believe magnetic feilds cause cancer even though there is no evidence to prove it,

grenache

While suicide seems a bit far fetched, many independent reports in the last decade have linked mobile phone masts with increased levels of tiredness, stress, headaches and nausea. Electro hyper-sensitivity i think its called. Its a medically recognised condition in Sweden and the state of California. I've spoken to a farmer who lives beside a mast near Carrick on Suir and he told me he went through absolute hell, his medical bills went through the roof. As for phones themselves, i have no doubts that we will see massive increases in cancer rates in the years to come. Becos they are a relatively new concept, the true affects of all this radiation wont be realised for another few years at least.

Seaneh

breaker breaker one nine
weve made the same mistake for some time
my dome is splitting - its a bleak disease
cos my phones emitting these frequencies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WJCKgknZoE

The Pontiac

randylonghorn wrote: »

Have you read AH recently?!! :pac:

I wasn't finished writing my post and pressed the stupid return button by mistake. Finished now.

"Have you read AH recently?!!" Only now and then to be honest. What am I missing?

The Pontiac

zudo wrote: »

I wasn't finished writing my post and pressed the stupid return button by mistake. Finished now.

"Have you read AH recently?!!" Only now and then to be honest. What am I missing?

Right yere fried brains. I'm taking this suicide thing too seriously.

marcsignal

I remember hearing a programme on the BBC world service years ago, that microwave transmissions,simillar to those used in mobile phone transmissions, have been used by secret services in the US, USSR and UK since the 70's to induce suicidal behaviour and depression in their enemies.

http://www.whale.to/b/rifat.html#ukintelligence

http://www.whale.to/b/rifat.html

b28

marcsignal wrote: »

I remember hearing a programme on the BBC world service years ago, that microwave transmissions,simillar to those used in mobile phone transmissions, have been used by secret services in the US, USSR and UK since the 70's to induce suicidal behaviour and depression in their enemies.

http://www.whale.to/b/rifat.html#ukintelligence

http://www.whale.to/b/rifat.html

That's interesting marcsignal, cheers for those links!
scary stuff, but interesting non the less!

Overheal

Sorry Im going to have to call you back, if this conversation goes on any longer people will die.

Need more evidence tbh. Should be easy with all the phone mast and suicide data available around the world.

Moriarty

What gets me is that all the other far more powerful RF signals being sent through the air have no affect, while mobile frequencies (.. of which, different frequencies are used in different parts of the world..) fryz your brainz.

cHaTbOx

The only way mobile phone masts are linked to suicides are with a rope the person used before putting it around their neck .

**ring**
Paddy:" I am going to do it James , I hate the way no one listens to me and..."

James:"Jasus Paddy the reception isn't great, move around a bit "

Paddy:" I am trying to tell you .."

James:" Move a bit more, just got worse"

Paddy " James will you listen ..........................

James:"Paddy , Paddy , now it's completely gone "

Overheal

Moriarty wrote: »

What gets me is that all the other far more powerful RF signals being sent through the air have no affect, while mobile frequencies (.. of which, different frequencies are used in different parts of the world..) fryz your brainz.

I noticed that. Even in the early 00s that if you used a cell phone in a car in the states it didnt do any interference to your radio. In Ireland however, you pretty much get a preemptive warning youre about to get a call because of that annoyance.

Maybe theres a little something to it then. The human body can interfere and reflect radio waves - try approaching your radio alarm clock when its tuned into a weak station. And cell phones in ireland work on a neighbouring frequency.

b28

resonance as they call it in physics i think
the human brain's neurons or some part of it may vibrate to the specific frequencies from mobiles, thats what makes them more dangerous than lets say other frequencies.
Ultra violet for example is a more powerful wave than a microwave, but still ultraviolet can tan and burn the skin, while a microwave just makes the water molecules in food for example vibrate and produce heat.

Abi

Fuck that. I'm marching back to Carphonewarehouse with mai phone and demand a refund. I don't want their mind-controlling cult tools! :mad:

And they have the nerve to smile and flirt their árses off with you when you are buying the damn thing. Sneaky bástards! :mad::mad: After that I'm off to knock down their mind control masts. Whooooos with meeeeee!? :pac:

Caoimhín

I suspect witchcraft, burn the witch/phone mast.

Saibh

b28 wrote: »

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/49330/Suicides-linked-to-phone-masts-

This frightened me, sent shivers down my spine! I do believe there is some truth to this.

I think in a way technology is great and all the rest, but it's killing not only traditional values and ways of life that are now considered "old school", but OUR HEALTH.

I tend to text more than make calls, and I certainly hope that that's healthier!

Are you aware you link is dated 22 June 2008?

Old news I'm afraid.

O'Coonassa

"The Sunday Express is one of the UK's biggest selling Sunday papers and today's front page is spectacularly half-cocked, attempting to link suicides to phone masts based on an unpublished study, by a man who sells cranky radiation protection devices, and who seems to have only the faintest grasp of neurobiology......"

http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2008/06/suicide_phone_masts.html

Overheal

Oh. well. that settles it if it was mentioned on mindhacks, an ever more obscure interweb

Who won the ford focus anyway?

b28

Overheal wrote: »

Oh. well. that settles it if it was mentioned on mindhacks, an ever more obscure interweb

Who won the ford focus anyway?

I started this thread so someone would ask that ha, thank god I won it

stovelid

The Express will be linked to my suicide if I have to read it again.

antodeco

At least they can call the suicide hotline beforehand.

My name is URL

I dunno about the suicide link but it's naive to believe that masts that emit radiation are in no way harmful

milod

Here we go again...

Armchair brain surgeons and rocket scientists of the work unite!

Try reading this for a more balanced examination of the issue:

http://www.badscience.net/2008/06/roger-coghill-fails-the-aids-test/#more-721

Kipperhell

I saw a show with people living in Faraday cages because of the supposed effects. They put them in an isolated area and recorded their moods and sleep patterns. They then erected a mast and switched it on sometimes to see if there was any difference and the pattern of moods and sleeping did not correlate to the mast being on or off.
Not truly scientific but the people reacted and believed the mast was having an effect when it was off. People that suffer from depression will often blame external sources as they try to find a reason for their depression, it is part of the condition. As humans we are designed to seek a pattern.

Kipperhell

My name is URL wrote: »

I dunno about the suicide link but it's naive to believe that masts that emit radiation are in no way harmful

Well then it would be naive to think a radiator doesn't have a harmful effect as it gives of heat radiation. Just because the word radiation is used doesn't mean nuclear radiation and all the effects that can have on you. It is quite amazing how common use of a word can be used to confuse people. As pointed out the Dr. also believes in another cause for AIDs

Kess73

Hmmm I think someone read the book Cell before publishing their report.

humanji

Kipperhell wrote: »

Well then it would be naive to think a radiator doesn't have a harmful effect as it gives of heat radiation. Just because the word radiation is used doesn't mean nuclear radiation and all the effects that can have on you. It is quite amazing how common use of a word can be used to confuse people. As pointed out the Dr. also believes in another cause for AIDs

You do realise that heat can burn you, don't you?

kevmy

There are many things wrong with that report, which as a scientist on a first pass, I'm shocked they published it.

First the only thing linking the suicides to the mobile masts are the location. Why not blame the water or the air pollution or the school they all went too? More than likely this horrible suicide pocket is young people not being able to deal with the trauma of seeing their friends committing suicide and it spiralled out of control. People like to blame outside factors for things they can't understand.

Secondly as for that town being closer than the average to mobile masts well of course it is. All towns are closer than the average. Each cell can only deal with so many calls at one time so the mobile phone companies put more masts and therefore more cells in the more populated areas. Out the country I'm fairly sure most people would live outside of the average distance from the masts.

Thirdly there has been nowhere near concrete evidence that mobiles cause any ill-effects to people. Also any hint of an effect has come from people who used mobiles heavily from the early days of the technology. Back then there was less regulation and less masts. Because they were further from masts the power output of the early phones was huge and using this for long periods could have been dangerous. Ironically most people assume the further you live from a mast the safer you are when the opposite is true as there is less power required to make the call.

Fourthly such radiation as this is around everywhere. Mobiles use frequencies which are pretty close to radio frequencies (between radio waves and microwaves on the EM spectrum). This is why it interferes with your radio when you get a call/text. Now radio has been used for years with no ill effects and nobody thinks about it and probably sleep with a radio pretty close by. Just because mobile tech is relatively new people are afraid of it. I'm fairly convinced it's safe. If you want to be sure then text don't talk, when you talk don't do it for long and when you talk for long swap ears (as mobile wavelengths are on the order of a few cms long it doesn't penetrate far into your head)

Peteee

My name is URL wrote: »

I dunno about the suicide link but it's naive to believe that masts that emit radiation are in no way harmful

Its non ionising radiation. Ionising radiation (Like X-Rays and stuff) is the stuff you need to be scared of.

johnny_knoxvile

...beyonce's music has been linked to self-harm.

I bite my lip every time i walk into a shop and i hear "a diva is female definition of a G"!?? WHAT?!

she should be shot for crimes against music.

delta_bravo

The Daily Express is worse than using the Daily mail for sensationalist ridiculous threads. This is nonsense

ScumLord

I'm sure they where delighted they had full reception though.

Caoimhín

Peteee wrote: »

Its non ionising radiation. Ionising radiation (Like X-Rays and stuff) is the stuff you need to be scared of.

No, it is witches we should worry about.

And Warlocks, in case I am accused of sexism/witchisim..

antodeco

More electrical radiation comes from a hair dryer than a mobile phone. Circuits with electricity flowing through them emit "ionising radiation". I cant wait to see the Jackass episode when they are on the phone whilst drying their hair!

The Mad Hatter

Daily express linked to paranoia.

A7X

tobias_wolf wrote: »

i doubt it, but i do kinda believe magnetic feilds cause cancer even though there is no evidence to prove it,

You are having a laugh right? You are currently standing in a gigantic magnetic field.

My name is URL

Peteee wrote: »

Its non ionising radiation. Ionising radiation (Like X-Rays and stuff) is the stuff you need to be scared of.

Microwaves also produce non-ionizing radiation, but if somebody suggested that placing your head inside of one that's set to the same frequency as cellphones is not dangerous, you'd laugh at them.

Even if the effects of exposure are small or unnoticed doesn't mean there is no effect. It's too early to determine what the long term hazards of exposure to Pulsed RF may be.

A number of studies have shown that reproduction is affected in fruit-fliys who've been exposed to intermittent pulses of radio frequencies.

Other studies have found links between cellphone usage and brain tumors.

http://oem.bmj.com/cgi/reprint/64/9/626.pdf

Even if there aren't any concrete pieces of evidence to suggest the links between Pulsed RF and health problems, it's only reasonable to assume that it may cause physiological defects

chrisp2281

What a load of crap. Everyone is beside masts giving our these waves all day every day. I personally live right beside one and i'm not depressed. Stuff like this causes mass hysteria so well done on adding to that

b28 wrote: »

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/49330/Suicides-linked-to-phone-masts-

This frightened me, sent shivers down my spine! I do believe there is some truth to this.

I think in a way technology is great and all the rest, but it's killing not only traditional values and ways of life that are now considered "old school", but OUR HEALTH.

I tend to text more than make calls, and I certainly hope that that's healthier!

minidazzler

Eh. This is simply bull, it's all it can be really.

These kids are more likely Offing themselves because it is now cool to do so. Once you off yourself everyone was your BFFE.

On a side note, "experts" in teenage psychology will tell you that one of America's large spate's of male Teenage suicide was actually the result of Auto-erotic asphyxiation. Whereby Parents would find there kids naked handing from the closet or whereever, with a big wad of dead sperm around them. Alot of parents dressed there kids, made it look....intentional at least.

I realise I got that from the Fight Club book, but it's probably right.

Ostrom

b28 wrote: »

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/49330/Suicides-linked-to-phone-masts-

This frightened me, sent shivers down my spine! I do believe there is some truth to this.

I think in a way technology is great and all the rest, but it's killing not only traditional values and ways of life that are now considered "old school", but OUR HEALTH.

I tend to text more than make calls, and I certainly hope that that's healthier!

Consult some papers on the cluster phenomenon (R.E. suicides) and console yourself.

Also distinguish correlation from cause. Complete nonsense, you can make infinite correlations with selective data

Ostrom

johnny_knoxvile wrote: »

...beyonce's music has been linked to self-harm.

This rock keeps tigers away

rsynnott

So called electrosensitivity, where people are effected by the presence of mobile phones or wifi or whatever, turns out to be a real problem with physical symptoms.

The only catch is, the symptoms appear if the person is simply told that there is a mobile phone present; whether there is one or not is irrelevant.

Capt'n Midnight

The radiation dose you get off a phone mast at ground level is lower than you can get from a phone stuck up to your ear. And when it's not at your head it's probably in your pocket beside your genitals.

The Nordic countries have a history of strict safety regulations, the US has the most lawyers and still no proven link to health risks even though 60% of the worlds population now have mobile phones. Note: in the 1960's the stats for lung cancer and TV aerials were similar , but no cause-effect was ever found and we all know that Global Warming is caused by a lack of pirates.

Most dangerous thing about a mobile phone is using it when driving. Such people have no right to complain about the radiation.

Any device that blocks phone radiation is guaranteed to INCREASE your radiation dose, because the phone will simply increase it's power to talk to the base station if the signal is reduced in any way. And you will have reduced battery life.

Also bluetooth headsets use higher frequency radiation so is likely to be more damaging at the same power level.

Elliemental

Hmmm... Is there anything bad that phone masts haven't been linked to?
Imo, it's one of two things, or both.
It's the media scaremongering (again), or it's another excuse for nimbyism.

Capt'n Midnight

My name is URL wrote: »

Microwaves also produce non-ionizing radiation, but if somebody suggested that placing your head inside of one that's set to the same frequency as cellphones is not dangerous, you'd laugh at them.

When you use your phone for a long time you may notice it getting a little warmer, or maybe you don't even notice it. Comparing a phone to microwave ovens this way is like comparing the warming effect of a phone with sticking your hand inside an electric kettle while it was on. And yes energy out put is comparable in both cases.

Also microwave ovens use higher frequency energy which is chosen for its ability to heat biological material.

How many people complain about RTE ?
Mobile phone masts puts tops 100 Watts
RTE are chucking out 100,000 Watts per channel on some transmitters

They were using 60,000 Watts in Athlone since 1932,
The early spark gap transmitters across the atlantic used similar amounts of power, so much that Marconi bought a bog to have fuel to power it. We've had high power transmitters here for over a hundred years, you'd think someone would have made a connection by now.


if you want info on your local mast look up the map
http://www.askcomreg.ie/mobile/View_Mobile_Sites.36.LE.asp

Capt'n Midnight

Found the link
70 people employed full time and 200 part time to harvest turf to power the transmitters 100 years ago. Even had a light railway to carry there was so much of it. Massive doses of RF radiation is not something new and the levels used are statistically safer than any lots of things we tolerate like stairs, cars, aeroplanes, shoelaces, pets, alcohol, DIY, FastFood, etc.

http://www.galwaycity.ie/GeneralNews/NewsArchive/FileEnglish,3994,en.pdf

marcsignal

Heard about this on the BBC world service last night

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8056284.stm

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