Eddie Halvey Sentence **CAUTION** May make you want to break somethin nearby in anger

Fizman

Just heard this on todayFM news. Truly disgusting bit of news.

He was sentenced to 7 months.....suspended!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

OMFG. What kind of message does this send out to people?? Its also two fingers up to the boys family. Is this what the boys life was worth? Christ i'm fcuking disgusted.

For those of you who don't know......He was driving, langers, on his way to Limerick. He hit a young boy just outside Toomevara, killing him. Old link here....http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/Eddie-Halvey-back-in-Nenagh.4635642.jp

I nearly tore the steering wheel off my car when I heard it!!! I knew this country was a shambles, but by christ this is taking it too far.

Halvey should have been in a cell since it happened, and he should have been there for 10+ years, rotting. How the fcuk could the judge look at the family of the poor lad while passing this sentence!!!! Just goes to show that in this country, once you have a few connections at all, you're basically bullet proof.

Truly shocking society we live in! :eek:

weeder

yawn

My name is URL

Wasn't it the morning after he'd been drinking, and afaik the car pulled out in front of him.

Still a lousy sentence though

Fizman

weeder wrote: »

yawn

Fantastic contribution to the thread. I take it you work in the justice system seeing as this kind of news is so mundane to you.

Fizman

My name is URL wrote: »

Wasn't it the morning after he'd been drinking, and afaik the car pulled out in front of him.

Still a lousy sentence though

Apologies that my original post isn't a verbatim account of the incident, but in a nutshell it's basically what happened.

Overheal

Drunk Driving + Casualties = Mandatory Life Sentence. Herro?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0512/halveye.html

Former Irish rugby international Eddie Halvey has received a seven-month suspended sentence after pleading guilty to careless driving and driving under the influence of alcohol.

Halvey was also disqualified from driving for seven years.

The charges relate to an accident causing the death of 16-year-old Kevin Walsh at Coole, outside Toomevara, in Co Tipperary on 1 April 2006.
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Halvey had previously been charged with dangerous driving causing death.

A sitting of the Circuit Court in Nenagh heard that forensic difficulties had emerged in the case and the DPP had accepted the lesser charge of careless driving.

What the fcuk is wrong with your country

United States Felony DUI

If a person is convicted of felony DUI for causing great bodily harm to another, he or she is subject to a mandatory fine of at least $5000.00. However, a fine up to $10,000.00 could be imposed. In addition to the fine, there is a mandatory imprisonment of at least 30 days in jail, and that sentence could be increased up to 15 years. A person convicted of felony DUI when that person has caused the death of another is subject to a mandatory fine of between $10,000.00 and $25,000.000. Additionally, that person must be imprisoned for at least 1 year and could be sentenced to 25 years in prison.

Agent Smith

I agree with you that 7months is a Joke. But i can also take into account the fact that he didnt go out to kill him

Drink driving is a scourge on our society, and i would Implore Judges to Start handing out Serrious sentences. The old fashioned idea of "ah sure, a couple of pints and i'll be grand" needs to be re-written with fact.

When you make that decision to get into your car when you have Drink on you, is neither big nor clever. he has to live with the fact that he has killed a man, directly or indirectly,he took someones life.

personally, i'd charge anyone with attempted murder.

Captain-America

Fúcking joke.

irishvamp90

reformed my ass....im from limerick and a pub i work in part time shur he was in there in recent months throwing back double vodkas and red bull like an 18year old party boy.anyone in limerick will tell you he still goes on serious piss ups.what a scumbag

genericguy

the lesson here i think is that if someone does something to you, get revenge yourself. sure you'll only be smacked on the back of the hand for murder in this backward kip.

i57dwun4yb1pt8

" forensic difficultys involved "

ie

he has mates in high places who quashed the lot for him.

a rule for those who have and those who have not .

hopefully a drunk will hit him someday , see how he likes it.

Fizman

Overheal wrote: »

What the fcuk is wrong with your country

Is this a genuine question?

His original charge of drunk driving causing death was dropped. That in itself epitomises the nature of this country.

If this case was not a valid "Drunk driving causing death"......then what case is??

Overheal

Agent Smith wrote: »

I agree with you that 7months is a Joke. But i can also take into account the fact that he didnt go out to kill him

"Ah sure you didnt mean to kill anyone while you were breaking the law." are you kidding me? Thats why we have the laws! :mad:


Gross injustice imo.

baglady

Yes I did want to break something nearby in anger. That is truly disgusting. ****er deserves jail.

Mr.Lizard

Hopefully he'll get knocked down and killed by a lorry delivering from the brewery.

DUI scum.

Was he drunk as in just left the pub drunk or was he over the limit the following morning and have they said how over the limit he was.

I am very much against drink driving, obviously, as most people are. But I have gotten in to my car the morning after a night out and have probably been slightly over the limit, stupid, I know, but many others are guilty of the same.

I do agree with Agent Smith to a certain extent, the man didn't intentionally kill that boy. If he has half a heart this will torture him for the rest of his life and no sentence is going to bring the child back. Now if he was not remorseful then that is a different story but all the facts really haven't been given to us here.

Overheal

irishvamp90 wrote: »

reformed my ass....im from limerick and a pub i work in part time shur he was in there in recent months throwing back double vodkas and red bull like an 18year old party boy.anyone in limerick will tell you he still goes on serious piss ups.what a scumbag

I can't tell you what to do, cos I'd be banned.

I do agree with Agent Smith to a certain extent, the man didn't intentionally kill that boy.

Thats erroneous thinking and pure fallacy. What Driver gets drunk and drives around intent on killing someone?

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

What Driver gets drunk and drives around intent on killing someone?

well none that's the point and if he was after walking out of the pub and getting into the car I would be protesting to the DPP, but I don't think that's what happened.

I'm simply saying, we don't have all the facts (not that I can find anyway) and he may not have thought he was over the limit. I knew I was going to get grilled for it and that's fair enough, but people do make huge mistakes in their lives and he is paying for this every single minute (as I said earlier - that's if he is that type of person)

irishvamp90

he was drinking afterhours till very late.im sure if you made the garda get the cctv of the pub.its a well known fact

FlutterinBantam

This case has been going for yonks.

The more I heard about it the more I knew there would never be any other outcome.

waraf

DaDumTish wrote: »

" forensic difficultys involved "

ie

he has mates in high places who quashed the lot for him.

In as much as I didn't like the sentence handed down either, that's a fairly outlandish claim. You may want to add "allegedly" to posts like that.

Agent Smith

Overheal wrote: »

"Ah sure you didnt mean to kill anyone while you were breaking the law." are you kidding me? Thats why we have the laws! :mad:


Gross injustice imo.

Thats why he's guilty of manslaughter. He didnt Go out and Plan to kill him. nor did he single him out to kill.

FlutterinBantam

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

This case has been going for yonks.

The more I heard about it the more I knew there would never be any other outcome.

well I have to say this is the first I've heard of it so maybe there is more to it that would anger me but based on what I'm reading here I'm not sure what to think.

The family are going through hell thought that much I'm sure of.

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

He pleaded guilty to the charges (including the charge of driving under the influence of alcohol), and he has a history of drink-driving apparently.

Can't understand people in this thread defending him.

He admitted to drink-driving, he KILLED a 16 year old kid, and he doesn't go to prison. What is defensible in that?

FlutterinBantam

Deleted User wrote: »

well I have to say this is the first I've heard of it so maybe there is more to it that would anger me but based on what I'm reading here I'm not sure what to think.

The family are going through hell thought that much I'm sure of.

Where have you been living on....Mars??

Overheal

Especially with a repeat history, I dont see how he isnt serving any prison time.

Elliemental

Apparently this guy had previous convictions for dangerous driving?

I'm not too familiar with this case, but from what i've read, it sounds as though this guy has basically walked away scott free after killing a kid, through not through malice, but sheer stupidity.

It degrades humanity really.

I didn't see anything about him having a history of drink driving, and I did query how much over the limit he was etc. I'm not defending him at all. The justice system failed this child by not having the man previously banned if he had a history of drink driving.

Mr.Lizard

Overheal wrote: »

Especially with a repeat history, I dont see how he isnt serving any prison time.

Old Boys Network.

FlutterinBantam

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Where have you been living on....Mars??

I genuinely didn't notice it in the news to be honest. And no, I've been living right here on boards lol!!

FlutterinBantam

Deleted User wrote: »

I genuinely didn't notice it in the news to be honest. And no, I've been living right here on boards lol!!

Sorry didn't mean to be judgmental but this has been ongoing since 2006!!!

Progress has reported on regularly

no I didn't think you were being judgemental!

Quite sad really that you get so used to hearing this sh*t in the news, I probably had heard about it but not known it was the same case etc. I try not to follow stuff like this as it upsets me, losing a child in this way is horrible.

marcsignal

Overheal wrote: »

What the fcuk is wrong with your country

good question Overheal, we seem to have a habit of writing new laws into the books, enforcing them, and then dropping the charge back to something pertaining to the original law that was found to be inadequate, which led to the writing of the new law in the first place.

If that sounds confusing, it will give you an indication of just how fucked up and retarded our legal system is.

Having said that, I can't help thinking, as another poster alluded to, that if his name was "Eddie Nobody" he'd be in the slammer for longer than 7 months.

tech77

Overheal wrote: »

Especially with a repeat history, I dont see how he isnt serving any prison time.

Seems crazy alright.
The inconsistency of sentencing in this country is fairly maddening.

5318008!

I love the judgemental nature of this thread.

I'm sure posters in this thread have driven under the influence before.
I'm not trying to excuse his actions, and i'm not for one second saying he doesn't deserve a harsher setence.

I'm just trying to point out the hypocrisy such social condemnation can bring out in people.

galwayrush

Call the Judge the idiot he clearly is and you'll get a more severe sentence.:rolleyes:

Overheal

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

Old Boys Network.

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Gummy Panda

5318008! wrote: »

I love the judgemental nature of this thread.

I'm sure posters in this thread have driven under the influence before.
I'm not trying to excuse his actions, and i'm not for one second saying he doesn't deserve a harsher setence.

I'm just trying to point out the hypocrisy such social condemnation can bring out in people.

I haven't so i can throw the first stone right?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Don't drive at all, so I will!

How come he wasn't charged with causing death by dangerous driving?

IvyTheTerrible

5318008! wrote: »

I love the judgemental nature of this thread.

I'm sure posters in this thread have driven under the influence before.
I'm not trying to excuse his actions, and i'm not for one second saying he doesn't deserve a harsher setence.

I'm just trying to point out the hypocrisy such social condemnation can bring out in people.

It's only hyposcrisy if the poster has driven under the influence. I haven't, so I'll judge away, thanks.

Ikky Poo2

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

How come he wasn't charged with causing death by dangerous driving?

"forensic difficulties"

Overheal

When you drive you have to treat alcohol like a poison and children like roadside bombs.

O'Coonassa

Overheal wrote: »

What the fcuk is wrong with your country

The Normans invaded and never left.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Deleted User wrote: »

"forensic difficulties"

Hang on - he admitted dangerous driving and he caused death! Wheer does forensics come into it...?!!

Eoin

I really don't see how people can think it's not as bad to be drunk the next morning as it is to be drunk the night before, as if sunlight is a massive factor. Maybe they're confusing alcohol with vampires or something.

Ikky Poo2

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Hang on - he admitted dangerous driving and he caused death! Wheer does forensics come into it...?!!

I don't think he admitted dangerous driving I think he admitted driving under the influence of alcohol*


*I could have taken that up wrong

eoin

eoin wrote: »

I really don't see how people can think it's not as bad to be drunk the next morning as it is to be drunk the night before, as if sunlight is a massive factor. Maybe they're confusing alcohol with vampires or something.

I agree being drunk is as bad no matter what time of the day it is, I'm being taken up wrong - as are others - there is a difference between being drunk and still having alcohol in your system the next morning though.

Eoin

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree being drunk is as bad no matter what time of the day it is, I'm being taken up wrong - as are others - there is a difference between being drunk and still having alcohol in your system the next morning though.

Do you mean there's a difference in the intent, or is there a physical difference?

5318008!

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

It's only hyposcrisy if the poster has driven under the influence. I haven't, so I'll judge away, thanks.

Would you think so harshly of a friend or relative who drove under the influence?

If so, yeah go ahead.

*Cue loads of future drink drivers swearing they'd never do such a thing*.

I can fully see how the legal system has to work on moral luck, otherwise it would be a disaster. But from a personal point of view, i don't think it really works exactly like that.

If someone drinks and then drives home and causes an accident, their drink driving was no more immoral than someone else who drove drunk and because of chance, got away with it.

eoin

eoin wrote: »

Do you mean there's a difference in the intent, or is there a physical difference?

Well both.

You may be minutely over the limit the next morning but very very over it the night before.

You may be the type to leave your car at home and never even consider driving after even one pint (like me) but you may drive the next morning and genuinely not realise you are over the limit.

I'm not saying either is right, quite the opposite, anything that hinders your concentration when you are in charge of essentially a dangerous weapon obviously should be avoided.

johnnyskeleton

Agent Smith wrote: »

I agree with you that 7months is a Joke. But i can also take into account the fact that he didnt go out to kill him

The maximum penalty for careless driving is 3 months. The maximum penalty for drink driving is 6 months. So unless the sentences were consecutive, the 7 months is more than the statutory penalty.