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Garda gets €15k over stress of tackling naked woman!

  • 12-05-2009 2:44pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭


    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/garda-cut-by-naked-lady-gets-836415000-1735686.html

    What a brave boy in blue!:rolleyes:
    A former garda sergeant who had to chase a naked and violent Nigerian woman through the streets of a town has been awarded €15,000 damages for post-traumatic stress.

    Michael Corduff, now retired from the Garda National Immigration Bureau, said the woman was part of a Nigerian family he had been detailed in October 2005 to bring to Dublin Airport for deportation.

    He told the High Court that following an indication of resistance by the woman, on behalf of her partner and little baby, they had been taken in a minibus to Drogheda Garda Station.

    While there the woman started to remove all her clothes in protest and when he tried to stop her she had hit out at him.

    "Then she tried to scrape me and broke free, running naked out on to the street," Mr Corduff told the court.

    He said he had chased her along the street and across a car park into a shopping centre. He had been pursuing her through the shopping centre when an off-duty garda saw the chase and joined in to help.

    They eventually "secured" her in the shopping centre car park and she had thrown herself to the ground where she had been held until assistance arrived.

    Mr Corduff, of Castleknock Avenue, Castleknock, Dublin, said she refused to put on her clothes. Eventually they put her in the minibus with her partner and baby and had set off for the airport.

    She had remained aggressive throughout the journey to the airport. It was while at the airport that he noticed his hand had been cut and was bleeding.

    Testing

    He told the court, that he had the wound washed and dressed at the airport and when he visited his doctor the following day he had been advised to have blood taken for Hepatitis C and HIV testing.

    Mr Corduff (56) said the possibility of contracting the diseases had played on his mind for months after the incident.

    He told the court he did not know if his hand injury had been caused by a bite or a scrape.

    Ms Justice Mary Irvine said Mr Corduff had been placed in a very unattractive position of having to chase and restrain the naked woman. She said he had to be compensated for the anxiety he suffered waiting for the blood test results.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    well tbh, I'd be pretty stressed if i thought there was a chance i caught hep c or HIV. Imagine the impact on his family.

    BTW, are these refugees especially sub-sahara not tested for Hep C or HIV?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭skywalker_208


    Reminds me of the army getting compo for loud bangs from shooting guns! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭Gone Drinking


    After contracting aids you have to wait three months before it shows up on a test..

    So yea, i can understand that guy being fairly stressed out for three months and the two weeks for results to come back. It would be a horrible situation to be in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭IIMII


    Surely she could have been put in a detention centre whilst waiting for her case to be heard? This type of stuff is crazy. In fairness, waiting for those test results to come back must have been traumatic especially as your woman seems to have been a complete psycho


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11


    The women should be made pay, the poor chap, Not a happy six months I can only guess..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    €15000 though? Give the man a spliff and tell him to relax. He's a 56 year old grown man that would have had all his medical paid for. If it was a young man starting a family I would have more sympathy.

    Surely doctors would have told him how unlikely it was he could have contracted anything? A test on yerone or any of her family would have had much quicker results.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭Papad



    BTW, are these refugees especially sub-sahara not tested for Hep C or HIV?

    Nope. When it was suggested to do this, the Refugee groups were up in arms complaining about their rights.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭zAbbo


    The Indo really is a rag these days, sensationalist rubbish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭Mr.Lizard


    They eventually "secured" her in the shopping centre car park
    How romantic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,605 ✭✭✭Fizman


    If I had a penny for every time i've chased a naked, screaming woman......i'd be about €15,000 better off as well.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭keizer


    ScumLord wrote: »
    €15000 though? Give the man a spliff and tell him to relax. He's a 56 year old grown man that would have had all his medical paid for. If it was a young man starting a family I would have more sympathy.

    Surely doctors would have told him how unlikely it was he could have contracted anything? A test on yerone or any of her family would have had much quicker results.


    You can't just test someone. There is no legislation to do so and a test could only have been carried out on her if she agreed to undergo one.

    So the sergeant did have to wait a period of time for his results.

    Edit - until such a time exists where we do have legislation to test persons thought to have such diseases claims like this will remain common.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    I must confess that my first thought on reading the title was...

    "Just how fat was she?"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭Papad


    I must confess that my first thought on reading the title was...

    "Just how fat was she?"

    Oh God. Imagine all those wobbly bits flying all around the place.

    I think that this man might have gone beyond the call of duty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Takeshi_Kovacs


    I hope to god we dont see any fireman sueing for damages cos they inhaled some smoke or something.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Papad wrote: »
    Oh God. Imagine all those wobbly bits flying all around the place.

    Wobbly bits, flappy bits, saggy bits, bits you know neither the name or function of.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,227 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    "....who had to chase a naked and violent Nigerian woman"


    Yep, there are those times when you have to reluctantly chase a naked woman whether you like it or not, usually when you've got a headache.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,605 ✭✭✭Fizman


    Now correct me if I'm wrong, and apologies if I come across a little cynical, but isn't the Gardai getting paid quite well (I'm assuming a 56 yr old is anyway) for the work they are involved in?? E.g. occasionally putting their body on the line etc etc.

    So when he actually had to put his body on the line......ah sure here's another 15k for you?

    Yes I can see how it is traumatic to be faced with the possibility of disease, but there is something slightly off here imo.

    EDIT: Another poster touched on it. It would be like a sea rescue worker getting paid damages, for getting the flu or something.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭Mr.Lizard


    Before you feel too sorry for the guy apparently onlookers said the woman looked exactly like Oluchi Onweagba.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭marcsignal


    that ranks among one of the funniest things i've ever heard, it's a pity some happy snapper wasn't there to put it upon youtube, like the travellers in Balbriggan last week.

    running screaming naked down the street :D ffs :rolleyes:

    I just hope someone in Sligo has their camera ready when pamela izevbekhai gets her marching orders soon.:cool:

    Garda: "Anything you say will be Taken Down"

    Woman: "MY KNICKERS!!"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    who paid the compensation?

    all in a day's work in fairness. gardai are paid to put themselves in potentially life threatening situations so the rest of us don't have to.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭delop


    Well the fact that he had to run must have been fairly upsetting too :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭DubMedic


    ScumLord wrote: »
    Surely doctors would have told him how unlikely it was he could have contracted anything? A test on yerone or any of her family would have had much quicker results.
    HIV Antibodies are only produced by the human body after a certain amount of time.. thats one of the reasons why it takes time to check if a person is HIV Positive or not.. if they are positive that means there is a presence of HIV antibodies in their system, basically meaning you are HIV Positive ,blood tests are not instant in showing this and take time, its equally as long for everyone. And then there's the point of you have to gain permission from the person to draw a sample from them.
    bleg wrote: »
    who paid the compensation?

    all in a day's work in fairness. gardai are paid to put themselves in potentially life threatening situations so the rest of us don't have to.

    US , the lovely honest over-the-top-tax payers of this wonderful green island

    another thought that came into my head as i was reading... why wasn't the Gda. in question wearing protective measures? i.e. Gloves ? the woman had shown signs of resisting before so maybe i better put on some gloves just in case she decides to.. i dont know ... bite me ?:confused:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Jesus, what the hell has happened to men. I mean seriously. If he had a pair of testicles to speak of, he would have been píssed off and naturally worried until the tests came back. If then it turned out he was infected with something nasty, then fine, look for compensation towards medical needs and trauma. And rightfully too. But if chasing a naked woman through the streets is grounds for "post traumatic stress disorder" and compensation on the back of it, then on the basis of that(and obviously the whole story is not known) the guy is..... wel I wouldn't like to say. Never mind as a keeper of the peace.

    I know and have known men who were in war, specifically the last world war, who were exposed to real actual bloody trauma on an often daily basis and the majority of them came home and raised families and were active and useful members of their communities. Yes they were affected by it, to some degree or other, but they lived with it, and moved beyond it. Jesus, crap like this really gets my goat. Especially knowing coppers that have gone through worse, way worse crap than this and didn't whine like children about it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭marcsignal


    delop wrote: »
    Well the fact that he had to run must have been fairly upsetting too :rolleyes:

    True :pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    gurramok wrote: »

    I saw the title of this thread and suddenly thought 15,000 quid is just not enough for tackling Harney - naked or not!

    O' the horror!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭marcsignal


    Biggins wrote: »
    I saw the title of this thread and suddenly thought 15,000 quid is just not enough for tackling Harney - naked or not! after she'd been mudwrestling or not!

    O' the horror!

    fixed that for you there Biggins ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭IIMII


    I keep thinking of how on the one hand you have one women from Nigeria lying about female genital mutilation and then another bully that strips naked and then streaks across Drogheda, shrieking her head off. I'd say it's a barrel of laughs for the GNIB dealing with these cases, and a complete waste of time, money and resources


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    I wonder was he pulled from duty while awaiting the results and did anything else happen afterwards that affected the compensation claim?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Reminds me of the army getting compo for loud bangs from shooting guns! :)

    For the most part that was deserved, there was no hearing protection whatsoever provided back then.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    For the most part that was deserved, there was no hearing protection whatsoever provided back then.
    Yes and no. OK maybe they should have gotten ear protection in training, but looking for compensation? Again WT jumpin F. What's next the navy bring an action because they get wet every so often? The air corp bring an action because their ears pop at altitude? It really is ridiculous. They joined the army and fair play, a damn noble calling, but part of being a soldier is pulling the trigger of a firearm at other guys pulling triggers on their firearms. Loud bangs kinda come with the territory.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    Take off your clothes and run onto the street, there's 7,500 in it for ya!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Altreab


    Reminds me of the army getting compo for loud bangs from shooting guns! :)

    The problem was because the army didnt provide ear muffs as was recommended under a safety report that they has commissioned about 20 years previous. They knew there was a possibility of hearing damage but didnt supply the recommended equipment. Hence the gravy train for a good number of army personnel and of course the lawyers. MANY serving and former army personnel were truely disgusted with those that made the claims.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Reminds me of the army getting compo for loud bangs from shooting guns! :)


    Actually members of the defence forces were compensated for negligence on behalf of the Defence of Defence for not providing member's with hearing protection.

    It came to light when the then Minister for Defence, Coveny attended a fire power innoculation in the Glen of Immal (Co.Wicklow) wearing hearing protection, the kind which we'd been looking to be issued with for years.

    Fire power innoculations were carried out for soldiers travelling to (primarily) Lebanon to show the soldier the effects of incoming small arms & artillary fire, the soldiers would sit in a trench while the stuff was fired over and in close proximity to the trench.

    When YOU'VE done similar as part of your job come back and make fun of it.

    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭marcsignal


    I wonder was he pulled from duty....

    If he'd played his cards right he might have been 'pulled' on duty :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Altreab wrote: »
    . MANY serving and former army personnel were truely disgusted with those that made the claims.


    Actually we weren't.

    We were disgusted at our Minister for Defence & the Government, who instead of providing the hearing protection, and protecting us from public ridicule used the Governments P.R. machine to turn us into a public joke.

    PDFORRA our representive body was in its infancy at the time and wasn't prepared for the onslaught of ridicule brought to bare by our bosses.

    Fvcking disgraceful IMO turning on those whose welfare your mean't to protect and whose members were willing to served without question whatever mission might be chosen for them.

    .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭FernandoTorres


    Does this compensation come out of taxpayers money?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    Does this compensation come out of taxpayers money?
    Yup, he brought the case against the state.

    We were shafted twice here. A deportee who cost thousands to get rid of and service whilst here and then another €15k for the cop whom the classy lady bite on the hand.

    Kinda makes you feel good about the place doesnt it? :mad:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Actually members of the defence forces were compensated for negligence on behalf of the Defence of Defence for not providing member's with hearing protection.

    It came to light when the then Minister for Defence, Coveny attended a fire power innoculation in the Glen of Immal (Co.Wicklow) wearing hearing protection, the kind which we'd been looking to be issued with for years.

    Fire power innoculations were carried out for soldiers travelling to (primarily) Lebanon to show the soldier the effects of incoming small arms & artillary fire, the soldiers would sit in a trench while the stuff was fired over and in close proximity to the trench.

    When YOU'VE done similar as part of your job come back and make fun of it.

    .
    Oh I get your point and far be it from me to suggest that successive governments have been anything but moronic and consistently moronic with it, but isn't a fire power inoculation in particular supposed to get people used to incoming rounds? The noise would be one hell of a large component of that as you wouldn't have ear protectors in a warzone(or would you?). Are other military forces issued with ear protection in that self same exercise? Genuine questions BTW.

    Yes I can see the obvious benefit of ear protectors in life fire exercises on the range say, but that example in particular seems a bad one. As for others doing similar as part of their job, yes I take your point, but equally that is not someone elses job, so that argument holds little weight frankly. If you as an army man were getting repetitive strain injury from being asked to type 4 hours a day entering data, I could see your point, but you signed up for a job, a large part of which entails loud bangs.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭RoundyMooney


    IIMII wrote: »
    I keep thinking of how on the one hand you have one women from Nigeria lying about female genital mutilation and then another bully that strips naked and then streaks across Drogheda, shrieking her head off. I'd say it's a barrel of laughs for the GNIB dealing with these cases, and a complete waste of time, money and resources

    Indeed. Try expressing concern over how a single nationality is responsible for such a disproportionate amount of opportunism, crime, intimidation, lying, false accusations of racism, fraud and welfare dependency, and see how fast the bleeding hearts who would pander to such for the sake of showing off how tolerant they are pop out of the woodwork :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Reasonable compo. What's the problem?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    IIMII wrote: »
    I keep thinking of how on the one hand you have one women from Nigeria lying about female genital mutilation and then another bully that strips naked and then streaks across Drogheda, shrieking her head off. I'd say it's a barrel of laughs for the GNIB dealing with these cases, and a complete waste of time, money and resources
    In fairness, nobody wants to live in Nigeria. I can fully understand why someone would kick, scream and do anything to avoid going back.
    PDFORRA our representive body was in its infancy at the time and wasn't prepared for the onslaught of ridicule brought to bare by our bosses.
    Irish take the piss, growing up in Ireland they must have known they where prime for slagging. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,582 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    I bet you had she been hot there'd be no compo claim. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭Saint_Mel


    For the most part that was deserved, there was no hearing protection whatsoever provided back then.

    Did members of the army band put in deafness claims too due tot he noise of the instruments? I remember hearing that some did, but didnt know if it was a p!ss take.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,080 ✭✭✭✭Random


    I think there's something very wrong here with the garda getting compensation for chasing a naked woman and getting injured while doing so. Is this not his job?

    What am I missing?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Random wrote: »
    I think there's something very wrong here with the garda getting compensation for chasing a naked woman and getting injured while doing so. Is this not his job?

    What am I missing?

    His job is to chase naked women?

    I'm signing up!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,080 ✭✭✭✭Random


    dlofnep wrote: »
    His job is to chase naked women?

    I'm signing up!
    Sorry to confuse you, seen this thread in my subbed forums list and assumed it was on the ES forum. Didn't realise it was AH. My fault, carry on, nothing to see here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭Jesus Juice


    I seen this thread and thought it was a Garda chasing streaker or something lighthearted...But a man having to wait 3 months to find out if he transmitted Aids or Hepatitis?I dont blame the man for wanting damages ffs!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    dlofnep wrote: »
    His job is to chase naked women?

    But some days its his job to get some fecker into court thats decided to smear himself all over with shite.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    Hmmm, I tihnk the payment is over the top. If the doctors were worried about infection they would have given him anti-viral treatment which could prevent HIV from attaching to his system. I'm sure this happened and he would have been told the chances were low.

    A rape victim wouldn't be getting that payment as far as I know.

    One thing though, I do think the army guys who had their hearing damaged were entitled to payments seeing as there was negligence. I don't know how one poster could seriously compare it to guys in the navy getting wet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭O'Coonassa


    So if you cut your hand it means you might have AIDS?:confused:


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