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Instructor courses

  • 11-05-2009 12:06pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭


    Hoping this is the right forum!

    I'm thinking of doing a night course in Exercise and Health studies, the goal being to become at least qualified to move into the business of Personal Training, Gym Instruction etc. I'm looking for peoples recommendations as to the best course available (in Dublin).

    I've been looking at this one so far, (http://www.ntc.ie/ehspt.php) at the NTC - anyone have any experience of it and can recommend/warn me off it?

    Thanks!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Its a decent course that has good information and will get you to a starter level to work as a fitness instructor in the gym, just like most courses in Ireland, how good you get is got to do with the effort you put in after you are qualified, and the experience you gain through dealing with all types of clients..

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭flywheel


    check out this Search result: NTC* from the forum, been covered a fair bit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭AdamAntsy


    Thanks - sometimes it's hard to know what to search for - appreciate the tip!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    What's the study/workload like for these courses anyway? Could you still do a part-time one while working full time in a completey unrelated field?

    EDIT: The NTC one specifically


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    Hanley wrote: »
    What's the study/workload like for these courses anyway? Could you still do a part-time one while working full time in a completey unrelated field?

    You can. The part-time course is Monday and Wednesday evenings (2/3 hours) and all day Saturday and then there's your own study time on top of that. If you have a basic grounding of knowledge in fitness and nutrition you'll fly along and the anatomy section would probably be the most challenging part (I'm open to correction on this btw, this is what I've observed from seeing 4 friends do it!). but the biggest challenge will also be suppressing what you know from experience - squats are to be taught above the knee, diets should be 60% carbs etc.

    That's the bit I think I'd find hardest :o


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭Zamboni


    Hanley wrote: »
    What's the study/workload like for these courses anyway? Could you still do a part-time one while working full time in a completey unrelated field?

    EDIT: The NTC one specifically

    Sure you can mate.

    Just do it in the evenings and on the weekends.
    It's not overly complicated stuff at all.
    And a lot of the Resistance Training you'd already have down.
    I'd love to see you do the Aerobics Instruction section though.
    The only real effort involved (well for me back in the day) was getting the anatomy and physiology down to a tee.
    Learn some basic Latin and you're sorted :pac:

    Carpe diem etcetera etcetera


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭celestial


    g'em wrote: »
    You can. The part-time course is Monday and Wednesday evenings (2/3 hours) and all day Saturday and then there's your own study time on top of that. If you have a basic grounding of knowledge in fitness and nutrition you'll fly along and the anatomy section would probably be the most challenging part (I'm open to correction on this btw, this is what I've observed from seeing 4 friends do it!). but the biggest challenge will also be suppressing what you know from experience - squats are to be taught above the knee, diets should be 60% carbs etc.

    That's the bit I think I'd find hardest :o

    Am actually doin the NTC course at the min myself.

    Good solid course have to say and it is EHFA accredited as well. Instructors are very good with decades of experience between them. They do know their stuff.

    Re the 60% carbs I was surprised by that alright! Although high-squats don't feature on the agenda (I was soo relieved) so gotta correct ya there g'em!

    The resistance training part came easy enough to me and the sports nutrition too. There is a surprising amount of depth and detail to the anat + phys part and while I did know a fair bit going in to the course, I learned that there was a lot I definitely didn't know as well..


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Thanks guys.... just looking for something to keep me busy over summer months!! I should probably enough not having mid week and week end lectures for that period but I know I'll be looking for something to do and instead of the stupid chartered accounting exams, I may as well do something I'm interested in as a little reward!!

    Anyone got any advice on things to brush up on before the course so? I know A&P seems to be an issue from the posts above, so anywhere I should look to get a quick grounding?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭AdamAntsy


    @ anyone having done the course -

    Sounds very positive feedback on it. Whats the structure like of the course i.e. practicals, final exams, etc. Interested to get a feel of what to expect on it from a day-day basis rather that the course summary.

    In terms of preparing you for the industry, is the course a good foundation or do you feel you needed more study afterwards to get to an employable level?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 991 ✭✭✭aye


    Hanley wrote: »
    Thanks guys.... just looking for something to keep me busy over summer months!! I should probably enough not having mid week and week end lectures for that period but I know I'll be looking for something to do and instead of the stupid chartered accounting exams, I may as well do something I'm interested in as a little reward!!

    Anyone got any advice on things to brush up on before the course so? I know A&P seems to be an issue from the posts above, so anywhere I should look to get a quick grounding?

    When I did the NCEF course i used this book to brush up on stuff, especially the A&P.
    All really well explained with good analogies, in fact most parts were better explained than in the NCEF book to be honest.



    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fitness-Instructors-Handbook-Complete-Professionals/dp/0713682256


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭celestial


    aye wrote: »
    When I did the NCEF course i used this book to brush up on stuff, especially the A&P.
    All really well explained with good analogies, in fact most parts were better explained than in the NCEF book to be honest.



    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fitness-Instructors-Handbook-Complete-Professionals/dp/0713682256

    Hmm that book looked good to me til I saw this review: http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R1XC1XYHHHSEUJ/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R1XC1XYHHHSEUJ

    thoughts aye?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭crotalus667


    Hanley wrote: »

    Anyone got any advice on things to brush up on before the course so? I know A&P seems to be an issue from the posts above, so anywhere I should look to get a quick grounding?


    You could do with taking a few aerobic classes seriously that’s where a lot of the guy’s struggled (I thought I’d hate them but I had great fun with them), the anatomy is not too bad once you learn all the bones and don’t worry your not required to learn all the muscles (a fair few yes but you probably know most of them at this stage) the anatomy doesn’t get too complicated but it does go into the level of the muscle cell and the atp cp system , the biggest hurdles (if you could call it that) I found was learning the ntc way as apposed to the BB/PL way , basically they have their guidelines that you need to follow and a lot of it varies a fair bit from what I would be used to ie the high protein diet is a no no

    They recommend a few books on the first night (I bought a fair few during the course all of them you can get from Amazon or eason‘s) but all you need is in the notes they hand out .

    Given your PL credentials even if you where only doing PT work part time it would be a nice little earner for you (part of the course cover’s PT work)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 991 ✭✭✭aye


    celestial wrote: »
    Hmm that book looked good to me til I saw this review: http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R1XC1XYHHHSEUJ/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R1XC1XYHHHSEUJ

    thoughts aye?

    just looking at the book now after reading the review on amazon.

    maybe the guy didnt have a lamp because the illustrations are fine. they are black and white pictures, but you can see the subjects clearly.

    as for the spinal illustration, yes there is a mistake there alright, it does describe the thoracic vertebrae correctly in the corresponding paragraph however.

    tbh, that kinda diagram mistake is found in many "educational" texts i've read in the courses i've done, and it still wouldnt put me off recommending the book as its such an easy read with good explanations of the difficult topics.

    It particularily explains the energy systems well in comparison to other books i've used.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Zamboni wrote: »

    I'd love to see you do the Aerobics Instruction section though.
    You could do with taking a few aerobic classes seriously

    Lulz.. why does everyone I'd be so bad at Aerobics. I've already proved I'm not afraid of Crossfit. Gimme some leg warmers and a head band.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    You could do with taking a few aerobic classes seriously that’s where a lot of the guy’s struggled (I thought I’d hate them but I had great fun with them), the anatomy is not too bad once you learn all the bones and don’t worry your not required to learn all the muscles (a fair few yes but you probably know most of them at this stage) the anatomy doesn’t get too complicated but it does go into the level of the muscle cell and the atp cp system , the biggest hurdles (if you could call it that) I found was learning the ntc way as apposed to the BB/PL way , basically they have their guidelines that you need to follow and a lot of it varies a fair bit from what I would be used to ie the high protein diet is a no no

    They recommend a few books on the first night (I bought a fair few during the course all of them you can get from Amazon or eason‘s) but all you need is in the notes they hand out .

    Given your PL credentials even if you where only doing PT work part time it would be a nice little earner for you (part of the course cover’s PT work)

    Sounds like it could be very interesting... thanks for the overview. Have you finished yours? How were the exams??

    I dunno what'll happen tbh, I just like doing courses and classes and this is one I wanted to do!! Picking up PT clients would prolly be a nightmare cos I won't actually be based out of anywhere ya know? And there lack of practical experience and all that....


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Thanks for the book recommendations too guys!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭crotalus667


    Hanley wrote: »
    Have you finished yours?
    Yep I did my exams in the start of December 08 and I think I had my results by the end of January


    Hanley wrote: »
    How were the exams??
    They where easy enough provided you put some work in , it was 2 written (paper 1 was Anatomy , Physiology and Myology paper 2 was Sports Nutrition and Exercise Principals) ,each was 100 multi choice questions if I recall correctly you need to get 60% to pass there where a few of the lads that failed it so it’s not a cake walk but as long as you pay attention in class and do a bit of revision you should be fine .


    Then there are 2 practical’s (you have to bring some one in for these ) Exercise to music which you do with 5 other students it takes about 2 hours but your section only lasts 20 minutes max (most are done in 15), it’s like a speeded up version of a class you basically plan a class and teach it to you body plus the other 5 students and there body’s the important thing is to get all your safety checks right , then after your cool down you will be asked to teach 2 SSMC’s (studio strength and Muscular Conditioning) which is basically stuff like press up’s, crunches, leg raises ect the assessor picks them at random and doesn’t give you the name of the SSMC instead the will as you do exercise a particular muscle , then it’s the same deal with 2 stretches you must get at least one SSMC and one stretch right to pass (you also must not do anything dangerous that‘s a automatic fail) one or two of the lads failed on the SSMC’s and stretches basically the did not practice 10 minutes twice a week is enough to get them cemented into your head (o yeah and you have an injured person in your class , the assessor will pick some one and give them an imaginary injury and you have to make sure you fallow the guidelines for said injury)

    Your second practical is resistance training basically you design a program 4 machines and 4 free weight + warm up and cool down then you bring your body threw it (as long as you do nothing dangerous you will be fine)


    Hanley wrote: »
    Picking up PT clients would prolly be a nightmare cos I won't actually be based out of anywhere ya know?

    There are ways around that , it’s all discussed in the course ;)
    Hanley wrote: »
    And there lack of practical experience and all that....
    Don’t sell your self short you have a lot of practical experience from being in the gym so much not just the lifting of weights ,I am sure you know most of the types that come into gyms and how they usually react to certain situations ,it’s all about tailoring to the individual (you will learn lot of that during the course). During the course you will get experience at standing up in front of groups of people (admittedly I found this easy because I have done stand up) and instructing them that goes along way especially if you get your self a few hours work experience. They have a saying in the ntc “you will be a fully qualified instructor/ PT when you leave but you will be a completely different instructor/ PT once you have 6 months under your belt” a fair few of my class went straight into working for themselves some teaching classes some doing PT work , you will be competent to do it when you leave , you may be a little rough around the edges but after you first few outing they will smooth them selves out;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭crotalus667


    Hanley wrote: »
    Thanks for the book recommendations too guys!!


    This one i got in eason's (downstairs) it's handy for the fact that it's small and basic (plus it has a cd rom that you can rip the mp3 files from which is handy )

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1903348285/ref=s9_csim_gw_s0_p14_i2?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=198DZ9ZWZ8WXDP2M3BYJ&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467198433&pf_rd_i=468294


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭Zamboni


    Hanley, the three keys areas you need to have down within Anatomy & Physiology are The Skeletal System, The Muscular system and some very basic Myology.
    I know it's musculoskeletal but for the sake of the course they divide it.

    If you want to PM I have old the old notes lying around somewhere and I can getthem to you to give you an idea but mine are 5 years old :eek: and some folks here seem to have done it much more recently but I can't imagine it has changed all that much.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 223 ✭✭telemachus


    I would head off to a few aerobics/exercise to music type classes first if you've never been in one before, no matter how unpalatable the thought is :p , at least if you're as uncoordinated and and rythmicly challeneged as I am. I spent the first two or three exercise to music classes more or less learning not to vigorously kick people or fall on my face and didn't have an awful lot of focus leftover to concentrate on the teaching side.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 991 ✭✭✭aye


    Zamboni wrote: »
    Hanley, the three keys areas you need to have down within Anatomy & Physiology are The Skeletal System, The Muscular system and some very basic Myology.
    I know it's musculoskeletal but for the sake of the course they divide it.

    If you want to PM I have old the old notes lying around somewhere and I can getthem to you to give you an idea but mine are 5 years old :eek: and some folks here seem to have done it much more recently but I can't imagine it has changed all that much.

    Good idea.

    When i did the course we set up a google group page so that people could put resources/files online for others to view.

    The home page is here

    The resources here

    and the files here

    There are some sample exam papers too for anyone who is doing courses.

    As regards the course i did, yes it was time comsuming and it covered a lot, but it was a load of fun. I was crap at aerobics and step but so were all the lads in class, and you end up laughing through most of the classes.
    I found the instructors knowlegable enough to question them on what they were teaching, and open enough to listen to differing opinions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭crotalus667


    Zamboni wrote: »
    but I can't imagine it has changed all that much.
    Apparently they have been redoing a lot of the notes recently so just about everyone who is not doing it at the moment has out of date’ish notes


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