Ferrari's Revitalised?

vectra

What ye reckon lads.
Are the red team back where they should be or am I still wishing them on? :cool:

I think there could be a few shocked teams tomorow

amacachi

Looks like they're still making ridiculous mistakes that a mute spastic with no muscle control wouldn't make.

Sweet Jesus Christ, anyone could see he should've been out again.

Irishshin

I cannot believe they did this again!!!!!!!!!!!
I was watching the time ticking down and he was still sitting in the pits!!!!!!

amacachi

Irishshin wrote: »

I cannot believe they did this again!!!!!!!!!!!
I was watching the time ticking down and he was still sitting in the pits!!!!!!

I just had the live timing going and just couldn't believe he was still sat in the pits. Every race so far it's been obvious that in Q1 anyone below 5th and possibly higher, needs to go out at the end.

I think Hamilton was 8th or 9th but went out again. By the time he got to the finish line he was about 10th or 11th and improved his time to go 10th.

Ugh, idiocy.

Irishshin

Every other car went out except for Massa & the other driver (Rosberg?) who had done a 1.20
Even Nakajima who had a 1.20 went out.
Cannot believe they made the same mistake again.
Esp with Massa with the fastest time, things were looking up..

Amnesiac_ie

The car looks fast in Catalunya but the mistake with Raikkonen in Q1 just adds further evidence that decision making within the team is falling apart with the Todt/Brawn/Schumacher influence.

Forza Felipe though! Gotta admire the little guy's pluck!

vectra

CUPID STUNTS...!!

I dont believe it :mad:

How can they be so dumb

EvilMonkey

Ferrari you muppet's! :eek:
The car is faster, could challenge for a podium and they go and do this again :mad:
There only half the team they were 2 years ago. :

Slutmonkey57b

How quickly people forget that before Todt/Brawn/Schumacher, Ferrari were always this incompetant. They were legendary for it. You can expect this sort of thing to only get worse, I can assure you. If the tifosi had any sense (and they don't, otherwise they wouldn't buy so much tacky ferrari-branded tat), they're realise that the "team" they were following all those years was Ross Brawn.

On behalf of everyone who snoozed through the Schumacher years, I can only say:
Ha Ha.
and bring on the budget cap. Forcing the Italians to work under cost pressure and be innovative and reliable will show who the real greats are in F1. (spoiler: Newey and Brawn)

EvilMonkey

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

How quickly people forget that before Todt/Brawn/Schumacher, Ferrari were always this incompetant. They were legendary for it. You can expect this sort of thing to only get worse, I can assure you. If the tifosi had any sense (and they don't, otherwise they wouldn't buy so much tacky ferrari-branded tat), they're realise that the "team" they were following all those years was Ross Brawn.

On behalf of everyone who snoozed through the Schumacher years, I can only say:
Ha Ha.
and bring on the budget cap. Forcing the Italians to work under cost pressure and be innovative and reliable will show who the real greats are in F1. (spoiler: Newey and Brawn)

That team of incompetents has the highest placed kers car on the grid for tomorrow.

Amnesiac_ie

A god point EvilMonkey; with that long, long run down to Turn 1 we could see Massa move up a place or two if he can deploy the KERS system effectively. Let's hope Barcelona doesn't provide the usual snooze fest this year!

vectra

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

How quickly people forget that before Todt/Brawn/Schumacher, Ferrari were always this incompetant.

Lets re-phrase that for you.

How quickly people forget that before Todt/Brawn/Schumacher, Ferrari were always this incompetant.

Today it was out of Kimis hands.
His team admitted that they messed up.
Kimi was a Hostage in his car.
BUT
as mentioned above.
Kers could come into play for Kimi on the runup to the first corner and hope he stays out of any trouble,
Could make a few places.


Oh yeah
And while you are talking about Ferari being totally Incompetant.
I agree with you.
Being imcompetant is exactly what brings the knowledge and technology to this outfit to help them produce some of the best road cars in the world.
Correct me if I am wrong. but
are they a different company?

Irishshin

Felipe is heavier than the three in front, hopefully he can go a lap longer and with kers get ahead of someone.
All depends on the start though!

shamwari

Well I think Ferrari need a period of proper introspection here to get to the bottom of why the team are so prone to many avoidable and repeated mistakes. It is this sillyness that cost Massa the title in 2008 (Signapore) and destroying whatever slim chance they have left to wrestle the title from Brawn and Red Bull.

As for Kimi, I will be pleasently surprised if he finishes well tomorrow. He might well be in a fast car with KERS, but he's 16th with both Mclarens are in front of him and their KERS system is believed to be the best on the track. Unless there is a spoiler like a midrace safety car or the weather plays a joker, I think the odds are stacked against him. Massa on the other hand could well nick a podium if he stays out of trouble.

kev9652

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

How quickly people forget that before Todt/Brawn/Schumacher, Ferrari were always this incompetant. They were legendary for it. You can expect this sort of thing to only get worse, I can assure you. If the tifosi had any sense (and they don't, otherwise they wouldn't buy so much tacky ferrari-branded tat), they're realise that the "team" they were following all those years was Ross Brawn.

On behalf of everyone who snoozed through the Schumacher years, I can only say:
Ha Ha.
and bring on the budget cap. Forcing the Italians to work under cost pressure and be innovative and reliable will show who the real greats are in F1. (spoiler: Newey and Brawn)

The budget cap is not manadotry you only opt in if you want

enzo7

looking foward to a good result for massa tom if he gets a clean start and stays outa trouble, dont really know what to say about kimi my gran says if you hav nothing nice to say about someone dont say anything. so i best say nothing.

vectra

enzo7 wrote: »

looking foward to a good result for massa tom if he gets a clean start and stays outa trouble, dont really know what to say about kimi my gran says if you hav nothing nice to say about someone dont say anything. so i best say nothing.

You cant really blame Kimi for the teams fekkup

BoardsRanger

vectra wrote: »

You cant really blame Kimi for the teams fekkup

Yeah, you can't at all. And unlike another "gent" on the grid, kimi decided not to slate his team members when he could have easily done so.

enzo7

vectra wrote: »

You cant really blame Kimi for the teams fekkup

he admits he was as much to blame as the team, anyway between them they fecked up!! but hopeing they can redeem them selves tom.

at the end of the day kimi is his own man and the final decision falls with him he is the guy who has to drive the car, i dont want to be slagging him off because he s still a ferrari driver and i want him to do well,but it just fustrating when you see massa who has a fraction of kimis talents on the 2nd row just makes you think where kimi could hav ended up.

enzo7

BoardsRanger wrote: »

And unlike another "gent" on the grid, kimi decided not to slate his team members when he could have easily done so.

ya i respect him for that, im not blaming him completely it just fustrating when they make stupid mistakes esp when the car is looking pretty good. hopefully tom with abit of luck he can get in the points.

amacachi

enzo7 wrote: »

he admits he was as much to blame as the team, anyway between them they fecked up!! but hopeing they can redeem them selves tom.

at the end of the day kimi is his own man and the final decision falls with him he is the guy who has to drive the car, i dont want to be slagging him off because he s still a ferrari driver and i want him to do well,but it just fustrating when you see massa who has a fraction of kimis talents on the 2nd row just makes you think where kimi could hav ended up.

But it wasn't his fault, he said it was to protect the team.

enzo7

that team hav worked there as**s off the last few wks trying to make the car lighter for him so i would be very dissapointed if he did turn around a publicly blame them but he hasnt and respect him for that. the team did fecked up by advising him his time was good enough but he fecked up by accepting it, personaly i think a driver of his experience and talent should be able to make these calls. anyway we cant change it now so hopefully he can hav a good race tom. the season can only get better for here.

amacachi

enzo7 wrote: »

that team hav worked there as**s off the last few wks trying to make the car lighter for him so i would be very dissapointed if he did turn around a publicly blame them but he hasnt and respect him for that. the team did fecked up by advising him his time was good enough but he fecked up by accepting it, personaly i think a driver of his experience and talent should be able to make these calls. anyway we cant change it now so hopefully he can hav a good race tom. the season can only get better for here.

Well how much should one question the team? Should they override the team telling them they'll be out of fuel on the next lap? :P

enzo7

amacachi wrote: »

Well how much should one question the team? Should they override the team telling them they'll be out of fuel on the next lap? :P

today was a perfect example of when he should question his team. if he feels his lap wasnt good enough he should be able to stand up to the team and say im going out again, but if he actually thought the lap was good enough then im kinda worried his driving a ferrari. anyway it done now hope they learn from it dis time, and they can get some decent points tom. as a ferrari fan its just fustrating when u see stupid mistakes like dis esp when massa is on the 2nd row.

amacachi

enzo7 wrote: »

today was a perfect example of when he should question his team. if he feels his lap wasnt good enough he should be able to stand up to the team and say im going out again, but if he actually thought the lap was good enough then im kinda worried his driving a ferrari. anyway it done now hope they learn from it dis time, and they can get some decent points tom. as a ferrari fan its just fustrating when u see stupid mistakes like dis esp when massa is on the 2nd row.

Yeah but he still has to trust the team, don't get me wrong, he's not completely free of blame, but it was 95% the team's fault.

Heh, I know it's very frustrating, but I can genuinely see Massa challenging for the win tomorrow. And all it takes is a safety car at the right time and Raikkonen will be right up there too.

vectra

amacachi wrote: »

. And all it takes is a safety car at the right time and Raikkonen will be right up there too.

That and the fact that he is fuelled to almost half distance.. Plus.. Kers off the line.

He did say though that he was to blame as he did not do such a good lap on Q1 and "didnt feel like going out again"


Still
I have ful faith in him to grab some points tomorow.

GO KIMI GO...!!!

rua1972

Ferrari made a good step forward, but due to bad qauli and a faillure in the race it didn't work out for Kimi.

vectra

amacachi wrote: »

Well how much should one question the team? Should they override the team telling them they'll be out of fuel on the next lap? :P

Hey.
Have you got psychic powers or something or is it a case of "The Commentators curse"
Massa running out of fuel...!!!!

Question on that issue actually.
Will Massa'a points stand from today?
I thought the car had to be over a certain weight at the end of the race which Massa'a could possibly be under that weight after running out of fuel.?
Any idea?

amacachi wrote: »

Yeah but he still has to trust the team, don't get me wrong, he's not completely free of blame, but it was 95% the team's fault.

Heh, I know it's very frustrating, but I can genuinely see Massa challenging for the win tomorrow. And all it takes is a safety car at the right time and Raikkonen will be right up there too.

As above.
Kimi jumping up several places on the 2nd corner iuncident and a safety car
Pity about his hydrolic breakdown
Although I must admit I was surprised at Kimi's lack of pace trying to pass Nick Heidfeld
Kers and a diffuser on Kimi's car and he almost topping the time sheets all weekend..!!
I would have thought he could breeze past him.
On the other hand. Did anyone catch what Kimi said on the installation lap about his Kers?
He said afterwars that it worked fine but I failed to see him use it once.

amacachi

vectra wrote: »

Hey.
Have you got psychic powers or something or is it a case of "The Commentators curse"
Massa running out of fuel...!!!!

Question on that issue actually.
Will Massa'a points stand from today?
I thought the car had to be over a certain weight at the end of the race which Massa'a could possibly be under that weight after running out of fuel.?
Any idea?

The cars are meant to be above the regulation weight when dry of fuel. Remember BAR/Honda a few years back tried to be smart and built the car underweight so that for stints of the race they were running under the minimum allowed weight?
It's funny how IndyCar drivers seem to be able to save fuel so much better than F1 drivers. The team should've told Massa earlier to let Vettel passed, he may have been able to stay ahead of Alonso that way.

As above.
Kimi jumping up several places on the 2nd corner iuncident and a safety car
Pity about his hydrolic breakdown
Although I must admit I was surprised at Kimi's lack of pace trying to pass Nick Heidfeld
Kers and a diffuser on Kimi's car and he almost topping the time sheets all weekend..!!
I would have thought he could breeze past him.
On the other hand. Did anyone catch what Kimi said on the installation lap about his Kers?
He said afterwars that it worked fine but I failed to see him use it once.

He just can't seem to catch a break this season.

Slutmonkey57b

vectra wrote: »

Lets re-phrase that for you.

How quickly people forget that before Todt/Brawn/Schumacher, Ferrari were always this incompetant.

Today it was out of Kimis hands.
His team admitted that they messed up.
Kimi was a Hostage in his car.
BUT
as mentioned above.
Kers could come into play for Kimi on the runup to the first corner and hope he stays out of any trouble,
Could make a few places.


Oh yeah
And while you are talking about Ferari being totally Incompetant.
I agree with you.
Being imcompetant is exactly what brings the knowledge and technology to this outfit to help them produce some of the best road cars in the world.
Correct me if I am wrong. but
are they a different company?

Well, there's 2 simple answers to that, and Eddie Jordan said it better than anyone: "This is schoolboy stuff and this is where a guy on the money he's reputedly on is supposed to pick the team up on his back and drag them over the line with him." Jordan was clearly incensed at Kimi's attitude, and rightly so. Lazy, incompetent, and arrogant from Ferrari and Kimi. He rightly didn't blame the team, unlike the slimy Hamilton, but the guy clearly doesn't want it and doesn't care. And the team boss should have said "get the **** out there and make sure you qualify". On the one hand, he complained his Kers wasn't working, then said it was. But he didn't use it to make up places while the car was running. You wouldn't find Alonso being that unsure about something so basic.

Answer 2:
Yes.
Yes they are two seperate companies.
If you think they guy in the ferrari showroom or on the factory floor has anything to do with the F1 team, you're a fully paid up member of the delusional tifosi, all right.

amacachi

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

On the one hand, he complained his Kers wasn't working, then said it was. But he didn't use it to make up places while the car was running. You wouldn't find Alonso being that unsure about something so basic.

Sorry, he's meant to know that his KERS is working when the light is broken? Christ there's a certain point when things stop being his fault.