21st Century Breakdown - Greenday New Album Preview.

JaneyMc

Here

The new single is muck, very unoriginal and bland. I haven't managed to listen to the rest yet. Here's hoping.

Nervous Wreck

Listening to the album now. Most of the tracks so far are based around riffs stolen from songs on the American Idiot album. The title track even has a Queen rip-off sound. The songs are catchy enough but fairly annoying as well.

Driver 8

When did it get so trendy to bash Green Day exactly? apart form the usual punk "sell outz!!!" b.s.

From a first listen, sounds very solid, probably not as good as American Idiot, but there's some good stuff there.

Nervous Wreck

Driver 8 wrote: »

When did it get so trendy to bash Green Day exactly? apart form the usual punk "sell outz!!!" b.s.

Band-wagon bashing ain't my bag. I've got everything they've ever released and have always been a fan. But this is boring. "Solid" or not, it's boring.

JaneyMc

Driver 8 wrote: »

When did it get so trendy to bash Green Day exactly? apart form the usual punk "sell outz!!!" b.s.

:rolleyes:

Neither of us said anything even remotely similar.

Still stand by what I said, Know Your Enemy is a pile of poo with nothing interesting about it.

I do like the whole concept of the album though, it's divided into three and it tells the story of a couple living in current time dealing with the pressures of the economy and the consequences post Bush America (They really hate him don't they?)

I'm still finding it hard to like though, which is really irritating because I normally dive on new Green day material with open arms.

Corcs001

Really liking this new album. American Idiot was good but don't think it was the best. Nimrod is their best imo...but so far I think this is up there! Before The Lobotomy is one hell of a tune! Loving it!

Oasis44

Based on just a few listens I would say the new album has the potential to be even better than American Idiot. Stand out tracks for me were Viva La Gloria, Murder City and Horseshoes and Handgrenades.

Dont know whay they went for Know Your Enemy as the lead single cause its one of the weaker tracks IMO. Anyway got my tickets for being banned for a week. It starts today.

Nervous Wreck

Oasis44 wrote: »

Anyway got my tickets for being banned for a week. It starts today.

Bahahahaha! Best mod edit ever.

bythewoods

I spent my younger teenage years obsessed with Green Day.
Bought absolutely everything they ever released, including the two lesser known albums (Kerplunk! and 1039/Smoothed out slappy hours).

Got a bit bored of them when my music taste matured a bit though, but the prospect of a new album got me excited, so last weekend i start listening to them like mad for the first time in years.

I haven't had a proper listen to the new album yet, but "Know you Enemy" reeks of My Chemiscal Romance or something, anyone agree?
They'll probably never be back to their former glory tbh... but I can see the new stuff being pretty popular with angsty 14 year olds.

Dudess

Driver 8 wrote: »

When did it get so trendy to bash Green Day exactly? apart form the usual punk "sell outz!!!" b.s.

"Trendy"? That would imply Green Day are actually good but people are just pretending they're not, in order to be "trendy". Maybe people bash them because they think they're sh1t? I personally have thought they were sh1t since I first heard them (Basket Case).

The new single is one of the most horrible things I've ever heard...

Schism

Did this get dropped in here from Alt and Indie or something?

I've given the single a few listens and I can't find anything I like about it. It sounds very forced like they're struggling to find a good hook and not really getting there.

SirLemonhead

Yeah it really does sound like they're desperately trying to do American idiot part 2. It does have the odd few hints of stuff from warning, and there's even one song that reminds me of the first album.

The emo look they sport these days is pretty funny too

qwertplaywert

Tbh I expected it to be dreadful, after American Idiot and the first single[far worse than anything off American Idiot] but its actually pretty good, some real crackers on there.

Kess73

For some reason I thought it was out tomorrow. Did it come out last Friday, or are people listening to it through other means?

Driver 8

Dudess, I'm not implying that Green Day are either good or ****, I'm implying that, especially after American Idiot, it suddenly became trendy, as far as I could see, for a lot of people who were Green Day fans to bash them, because of the usual nonsense about punk bands and being popular ("sell outs" etc)

And by the way, don't let that devolve into debating whether or they are a punk band or not, I'm just making an observation.

I don't think they're an amazing band or anything, but I have to say I thought they'd done that rare thing with American Idiot and actually evolved as a band. New album seems to be decent, if not on that level.

Sephiroth_dude

I listened to it twice yesterday and I have to say its absoulute muck,sounds way to like america idiot which was also muck.

rainbow kirby

Driver 8 wrote: »

I'm implying that, especially after American Idiot, it suddenly became trendy, as far as I could see, for a lot of people who were Green Day fans to bash them, because of the usual nonsense about punk bands and being popular ("sell outs" etc).

Meh, I *was* a big Green Day fan years ago, but American Idiot was seriously awful. Nothing got to do with "selling out" or whatever, it's just ****.

New album doesn't seem to be any better, particularly the new single.

Xavi6

It's simply American Idiot MKII. Nothing new, nothing exciting and ultimately bland.

If you put the two albums on shuffle together it would be difficult to tell which songs came from which album.

Disappointing, but expected.

ShawnRaven

Green Day were as good as dead before American Idiot. Let's call a spade a spade. For the exception of Good Riddance, they did nothing of notice since Dookie. People didn't care, Media didn't care.

Amazing what a bit of black eye shadow and a trendy black suit can do to reinvent you.
I hate American Idiot myself, but i will give them credit. They managed to shoot themselves back into the public eye and got people talking about them again.

Personally I thought the band would roll over and die by the time 1995 came around, so i'll give them all the credit in the world for lasting til 2009 (and beyond), but i still can't stomach anything they did after Insomniac. Even the Nimrod version of Good Riddance sucked by comparison to the original.

Driver 8

Yeah, it's the eyeliner and suits that got them back into the public consciousness, not the decision to actually try to evolve as a band and try something new. Of course.

Same old "i liked their early stuff" hipster stance that every band that's ever become popular after having a niche audience (R.E.M., Metallica etc etc) has had thrown at them.

SirLemonhead

Mr.S wrote: »

Funny how its always the old "fans", who hate American idiot...

I've been a fan of theirs since 94 I guess and I liked American Idiot a lot when it first came out, but boy did the singles get overplayed. I know it's a silly thing to complain about, but something about your sister who'd slag green day for years suddenly becoming a big fan really irked me :P

It wa a good album but not really one i'd consider a "classic"

The new one mostly feels like a collection of songs that weren't good enough to make the cut for american idiot. ah well

ShawnRaven

Driver 8 wrote: »

Yeah, it's the eyeliner and suits that got them back into the public consciousness, not the decision to actually try to evolve as a band and try something new. Of course.

One persons evolution is another persons regression. Take note.

Same old "i liked their early stuff" hipster stance that every band that's ever become popular after having a niche audience (R.E.M., Metallica etc etc) has had thrown at them.

I'm a bit long in the tooth to be pulling that crap mate. It's down to personal preference. If the band wants to take a different direction with their music, that's fine with me. But don't expect me to be a sheep and still say their stuff is top notch when it's far from it. :P

kona

ha well I think this is what says it all to me, has anybody hear the new Xtravision ad?
basically it descibes the new album as "hardcore punk meets classic rock" or somthing to that effect::D:D:D:D:D

greenday IMO is marketed at the people who like to think they have a broad taste in music and enjoy punk and classic rock.

HOWEVER

It is neither, if Greenday were hardcore punk of whatever they describe it as they would have a rediculous band name like ****faced or somthing to that effect, also they wouldnt be hnearly as over produced and polished as the current greenday offerings.

If it was classic rock it wouldnt sound like My chemical Romance..........

Greenday has moved to pop music. what it is dong here i dont know.

Personally Im not a fan and never have, Ive tried to listen to them but they IMO were just crap and "gay" and definatley NOT punk. so I never got into the early stuff, by all accounts their real early stuff ive been told is great but ive never bothered to listen to it. I think their new stuff is better than the 90s albums ive heard, but I dislike the way they market their stuff as somthing its not.

ShawnRaven

kona wrote: »

Greenday has moved to pop music. what it is dong here i dont know.

Cos it's pop-rock. And without kissing ass, but as Karl Hungus says, "if it falls into any category of Rock, it has a home here." So it leaves the doors wide open.

Hell by that definition, David Hasselhoff's musical career could probably be discussed here.

Oh f*ck, i've given em ideas!

Halfrauds

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Cos it's pop-rock. And without kissing ass, but as Karl Hungus says, "if it falls into any category of Rock, it has a home here." So it leaves the doors wide open.

Hell by that definition, David Hasselhoff's musical career could probably be discussed here.

Oh f*ck, i've given em ideas!

good laugh though:D:D

his music is hillarious.

Driver 8

Regression would imply that they'd move backwards into doing material that sounded like something they'd already done. I don't remember too many nine minute multi-part songs on Kerplunk. But hey, it makes a nice soundbite for you, doesn't it?

I'm not accusing you personally, but the "sheep" mentality is far more often to be found in people turning away from bands who move from a niche audience to more mainstream popularity than in people becoming fans. Sure, people who get into a band because they get more mainstream attention may well be fair-weather, but at least they don't bring with them the cooler than thou "I was into them before they were cool" mentality. Again, I haven't seen that in your own posts, but I've heard it a lot in relation to Green Day and other bands I mentioned in my previous posts.

I doubt even the most hardcore Green Day fan would ever suggest that they're "hardcore punk". I really don't see how "pop punk" is something to be ashamed of. Not everything is wilfully obscure, and mass appeal is hardly something to be sneered at.

Finally, putting gay in quotation marks doesn't make the criticism any less hollow and ridiculous.

Again, i'm by no means Green Day's biggest fan, i'm just making some observations.

SirLemonhead

They're about as "gay" as WASP in fairness, kona :P

LightofDarkness

Driver 8, man, just let it go. They don't like Greenday, and they've given legitimate reasons for it. All you're doing is setting up strawman arguments to try and caricaturize everyone who dislikes them. The "niche-market rebels." I personally never had much time for Green Day, and TBH, they've been extremely popular ever since "Time Of Your Life," so that basically rubbishes the niche market rebellion argument. Heck, they've been very popular and even mainstream since "Basket case."

American Idiot was rubbish IMO and this new single sounds like all the worst bits from that album sandwiched into a song that can't find a decent chorus. But then I must just be hating without merit, right? Couldn't possibly be that I don't like their music (or their image, public persona, political opinions...).

nix

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Green Day were as good as dead before American Idiot. Let's call a spade a spade. For the exception of Good Riddance, they did nothing of notice since Dookie. People didn't care, Media didn't care.

Amazing what a bit of black eye shadow and a trendy black suit can do to reinvent you.
I hate American Idiot myself, but i will give them credit. They managed to shoot themselves back into the public eye and got people talking about them again.

Personally I thought the band would roll over and die by the time 1995 came around, so i'll give them all the credit in the world for lasting til 2009 (and beyond), but i still can't stomach anything they did after Insomniac. Even the Nimrod version of Good Riddance sucked by comparison to the original.

This guy said exactly what i was gonna say, i also agree with the good riddance versions. I still have my brain stew/jaded single with that version on it ;D It was one of the first cd's i bought

Driver 8

Listen, if someone wants to actually discuss the music involved, i'm all for it. I'd be interested to know why, for instance, American Idiot wasn't a record you enjoyed.

But "legitimate reasons"? please....eyeliner, suits and being "gay"? hardly.

I'm not saying everyone who dislikes Green Day does so for the reasons I mentioned, it's just a trend I've noticed among a lot of people I know, and in some of the sniffier reviews of both their last dvd and the new record.

nix

You seem to waver off "selling out" as if its a harmless thing for a band do to, do you understand the concept of the term?

The basically changed their image, stlye of music, censoring the content to make it more appealing to a broader market. Lets also not negate the fact that the used the anti-war/bush propganda to push the record sales.

They are writing/performing for the record label, not their fans. Everything they say/sing is suspect. You like them most likely because your their target audience, or are you ???

Driver 8

I wave off selling out because I've literally never been convinced of it as a valid argument, as it's generally based on hearsay, presumption and adolescent understandings of "credibility", particularly prevalent in punk.

How do you know that their sound changed to garner mass appeal? You're making that assumption because that was the result. It may well have been simply the route their songwriting took. R.E.M. wrote songs like The One I Love and Losing My Religion because that's just where their artistic process took them.

What evidence do you have in this instance for Green Day censoring content? And if they used the anti-Bush sentiment to up sales, you could levy that charge at every artist from them to Bruce Springsteen.

Who they are "playing for" is an entirely subjective notion. I like them because I like a decent amount of their songs and some of their albums. Not their image, their eyeliner, their credibility, their message, their personalities, their voting preferences, their brand of deodorant, their SONGS

nix

Driver 8 wrote: »

I wave off selling out because I've literally never been convinced of it as a valid argument, as it's generally based on hearsay, presumption and adolescent understandings of "credibility", particularly prevalent in punk.

How do you know that their sound changed to garner mass appeal? You're making that assumption because that was the result. It may well have been simply the route their songwriting took. R.E.M. wrote songs like The One I Love and Losing My Religion because that's just where their artistic process took them.

What evidence do you have in this instance for Green Day censoring content? And if they used the anti-Bush sentiment to up sales, you could levy that charge at every artist from them to Bruce Springsteen.

Who they are "playing for" is an entirely subjective notion. I like them because I like a decent amount of their songs and some of their albums. Not their image, their eyeliner, their credibility, their message, their personalities, their voting preferences, their brand of deodorant, their SONGS

So your calling it a blind coincidence all of the above mentioned changed when they changed record label? Come on man !

If you like the new music, then like it i don't really care. But to think for one second that the murmur's of "sell outs" are ever going to dwindle, your sadly mistaken.

And i never said Bruce wasn't a sellout :P

I'm not here to attack, ive had these arguments over and over and care not to repeat. I'm just meerley passing my outlook on the situation as per your request.

Driver 8

Is a "blind coincidence" a different kind of coincidence? Just wondering...

I think when they changed record label they also changed producers, and they began writing different kinds of songs. Evolving like that is how songwriting generally works

The murmurs of sell out may well continue, but it's hard to hear murmurs over a couple thousand people at sold out shows in arenas and stadiums.

Bruce a sellout? Don't make me laugh.

nix

Driver 8 wrote: »

The murmurs of sell out may well continue, but it's hard to hear murmurs over a couple thousand kids at sold out shows in arenas and stadiums.

Fixed!

And i never said Bruce was a sellout, i dont know enough about him to pass that judgement.

I used to be a BIG Greenday fan, hence my presence here. If it were a Bruce Springsteen post you wouldn't be talking to me..

And lay off my use of words, im juggling work and boards at the same time :P

Driver 8

Last Green Day show I was at had people from around 10 or 12 up to people in their forties (and not just parents, before you throw that back).

nix

Driver 8 wrote: »

Last Green Day show I was at had people from around 10 or 12 up to people in their forties (and not just parents, before you throw that back).

Last Greenday gig i was at i needed fake Id as it was strictly over 18's :P

Driver 8

Is that back when they were cool, or what?

"Yeah! I liked them when only older cooler people were allowed into their gigs!";)

nix

Yes thats exactly it, after ill ive stated you have found the real hidden reason why i now dont like Greendays music.

Driver 8

Because they've undertaken a conspiracy to market their music to uncool kids?

ShawnRaven

Driver 8 wrote: »

Listen, if someone wants to actually discuss the music involved, i'm all for it. I'd be interested to know why, for instance, American Idiot wasn't a record you enjoyed.

But "legitimate reasons"? please....eyeliner, suits and being "gay"? hardly.

It sure as hell wasn't for anything they did in about seven years prior to American Idiot musically. In the world of chart music, IMAGE is EVERYTHING over music. And their image change does play a big part in their chart success for the likes of Boulevard Of Broken dreams.

Don't get me wrong, Green Day aren't the only ones to fall into that category. But an image change did help, and it's painfully obvious.

I'm not saying everyone who dislikes Green Day does so for the reasons I mentioned, it's just a trend I've noticed among a lot of people I know, and in some of the sniffier reviews of both their last dvd and the new record.

Only I'd already explained my own personal reasons, why i had stopped listening to them SEVEN YEARS BEFORE American Idiot. Their ship had sailed long before their trendy suits and eyeliner as far as I was concerned.

Driver 8

Image change helping sales?

Well i think David Bowie would've had a life sentence by now if it were a punishable crime.

DarkJager

Their latest song is insufferable...

kona

SirLemonhead wrote: »

They're about as "gay" as WASP in fairness, kona :P

Okay okay,

acid test for gayness...

The george 12am on a friday night:

You are more likely to hear

A) Know your Enemy or Dookie or Basket case.....All greenday all IMO flacid

B)Blind In texas,Headless Children,Chainsaw Charlie or Tormentor...All W.A.S.P ALL IMO Kick ass Tunes


Sorry Id have to say your far more likely to hear greenday.

:pac::pac::pac::pac::p:p:p

Ill let steel panther say it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b01Iv5AQEJM

kona

Driver 8 wrote: »

Listen, if someone wants to actually discuss the music involved, i'm all for it. I'd be interested to know why, for instance, American Idiot wasn't a record you enjoyed.

But "legitimate reasons"? please....eyeliner, suits and being "gay"? hardly.

I'm not saying everyone who dislikes Green Day does so for the reasons I mentioned, it's just a trend I've noticed among a lot of people I know, and in some of the sniffier reviews of both their last dvd and the new record.

Their image isnt "gay"
their music is gay, its flacid and crap, no in yer face go **** yer ma if you dont like it, Tunes.

ShawnRaven

Driver 8 wrote: »

Image change helping sales?

Well i think David Bowie would've had a life sentence by now if it were a punishable crime.

Just as well I never said it was. I said it helped revive them, just like it helped revive Bowie.

Keep throwing the red herrings out there, i've a long fishing rod and all the time in the world!

Driver 8

Only if you put away your dictionary of dodgy metaphors :P

ShawnRaven

Driver 8 wrote: »

Only if you put away your dictionary of dodgy metaphors :P

Aye - opposing opinions, they're a bitch aren't they? :P

Driver 8

Mate, it's a discussion, relax.

The only thing I took exception to were those awful metaphors

ShawnRaven

I'm perfectly relaxed, as bad as the metaphors may have been, they conveyed my point across perfectly. They did their job.

villains77

i got the album last thursday asnd only listen to it a few times. agree it sounds like the last album indeed. some of the songs dont even sound like them at all pop crap yikes lwtf are they playing at. the last album is much better by far. seen them live a few times and there great but with the new album id rather go see another gig.