New BMW UK prices

conlonbmw

Here is the latest price for new Beemers in Euro with VRT and VAT paid and 3yr warranty.

All under €156 road tax per annum.


BMW 520d SE new 34,101.18

BMW 318d new 29,929.55

BMW 118d new 23,781.42

BMW 116d new 21,930.64


I have included an Excel spreadsheet for the calc's but does anyone know where I can get a link to correct VRT amount as I have to estimate these individually.

Please advise anyone you know who is about to buy new.

Seth Brundle

the VRT form on the revenue site?
https://www.ros.ie/VRTEnquiryServlet/showVRT

Owen

conlonbmw wrote: »

Please advise anyone you know who is about to buy new.

Why's that the LoveDucati2 - that IS your real name, isn't it? Because if someone who's buying new goes into most Irish garages, they'll do a deal to match the UK on stock that's physically here in Ireland. There are huge incentives at the moment for dealers to shift existing stock.

You seem to have a huge beef as you did before with BMW in general. Not that it fazes me, but would you care to explain?

conlonbmw

conlonbmw wrote: »

I have included an Excel spreadsheet for the calc's but does anyone know where I can get a link to correct VRT amount as I have to estimate these individually.

kbannon wrote: »

the VRT form on the revenue site?
https://www.ros.ie/VRTEnquiryServlet/showVRT

Brilliant.

I need a link to a database that contains just the VRT element of all cars on sale in Ireland.

Redsoxfan

conlonbmw wrote: »

Here is the latest price for new Beemers in Euro with VRT and VAT paid and 3yr warranty.

All under €156 road tax per annum.


BMW 520d SE new 34,101.18

Is that a typo? Any chance it is the 320d SE you are referring to?

Edit-no I see that the list in the UK is around £23.5k, wow, that's pretty good

conlonbmw

Redsoxfan wrote: »

Is that a typo? Any chance it is the 320d SE you are referring to?

Edit-no I see that the list in the UK is around £23.5k, wow, that's pretty good

No its genuine.

Sorry is their any mods here to stop this guy hassling me, he is starting to follow me around other forums.

ned78 wrote: »

Why's that the LoveDucati2 - that IS your real name, isn't it? Because if someone who's buying new goes into most Irish garages, they'll do a deal to match the UK on stock that's physically here in Ireland. There are huge incentives at the moment for dealers to shift existing stock.

You seem to have a huge beef as you did before with BMW in general. Not that it fazes me, but would you care to explain?

I have no beef with BMW. If they are matching prices great, but they are selling 520d for 45k here.

Owen

conlonbmw wrote: »

I have no beef with BMW. If they are matching prices great, but they are selling 520d for 45k here.

That's the RRP LoveDucati2, there's obviously discounts to be had. Even in this thread, if you look at the Google Ads there are dealers stating they'll match UK prices.

Padraig Mor

conlonbmw wrote: »

Brilliant.

I need a link to a database that contains just the VRT element of all cars on sale in Ireland.

I've attached an Excel calculator for calculating import prices for new cars from UK that I've put up here before. Put in the Irish list price and it will give you the VRT. You have a few problems with your calculations - cheapest you can bring in a 520 for (that i can find) is €34700 before travel etc.

ned78 wrote: »

Because if someone who's buying new goes into most Irish garages, they'll do a deal to match the UK on stock that's physically here in Ireland. There are huge incentives at the moment for dealers to shift existing stock.

I doubt that's true to be honest Ned. Full retail for a 520 in ROI is over 48k - would they really sell it for 35k? Don't get me wrong - if they will genuinely match UK prices I think it's fantastic (and a no-brainer to buy here rather than UK). From what I've seen of the UK stock being sold here though, it's the same rip off margins being gouged, with mark ups in the order of 10 - 15k (net acting up here so can't confirm exact pricing). Also, if they were so desperate to shift stock, you'd think the salesman in Keary's would have rang me back with pricing after I physically called in *twice* to ask, wouldn't you?

Owen

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I doubt that's true to be honest Ned. Full retail for a 520 in ROI is over 48k - would they really sell it for 35k? Don't get me wrong - if they will genuinely match UK prices I think it's fantastic (and a no-brainer to buy here rather than UK). From what I've seen of the UK stock being sold here though, it's the same rip off margins being gouged, with mark ups in the order of 10 - 15k

I do agree that it's not 100% of the UK price, but it's damn close. Have you phoned BMW Ireland with your findings? Would be interesting to see what they say ... but there are some ferocious discounts to be had ... I'm certain of that.

Drummerboy08

Ned, i wouldnt worry about it too much. There arent a whole lot of people in this country in a position to buy a brand-new BMW.

Those who are, are usually, the older, retired 520i driving type, who will have built up a good relationship with their local BMW dealer in the 20 years they have been buying BMW's. They will also have a trade in.

Padraig Mor

ned78 wrote: »

I do agree that it's not 100% of the UK price, but it's damn close. Have you phoned BMW Ireland with your findings? Would be interesting to see what they say ... but there are some ferocious discounts to be had ... I'm certain of that.

Nor would I expect them to sell at exactly the UK price. Take the 520d above - you'd have that cleared here, incl travel etc, for €35500 (don't forget that that price includes a profit for the UK dealer). I think €37500 would be a price I would be happy to pay here. Maybe even 38k. Would they go that low here do you think? My experience is par for the course with Keary's I find.......KOL were a lot better. I'm sure others find the opposite though.

Skyuser

Ooops

Geoff845

Lads

There are great deals in buying any BMW new or used at the moment. Some of the bigger stuff is depreciating massively, the price for the 520d quoted above is obviously the base base spec, plus that calculation makes no allowance for any extras at all. I don't think there is any point in writing on a thread without some concrete evidence of your pricing. Fine the car might be €35K but who will buy it? and good luck to you with a trade in price in 2 years time. Most people buying a BMW will want a few bits and pieces and so will the guys buying it 2 years later.

Before you start quoting me all sorts of figures, I've seen them all before as i worked there for 4 years and still essentially do. I've no issue with someone coming in looking for a deal on a car, thats what its about but to harp on all the time about pricing with no clear evidence is bull****. BMW dealers are still selling cars and quite a few i might add and i would be sure enough alot of those buyers have looked into the UK and they still bought here.

Get your facts straight before you have this wonderful announcement which equates to nothing really at all.

Geoff

Owen

Okay, just to clarify, here's the RRP of a BMW 520d SE in the UK (Which doesn't include delivery, or related charges) - £29,435*. De-vat that, and you're left with £25595.65. Convert that to Euro, €28,546.23 - and because that's with xe.com and isn't a real currency conversion, and another 250 on for the hell of it - €28796. Add Irish 21.5% VAT onto this - €34987.14, and then add on the VRT which is €6977, you end up with €41964.14, then add on delivery and related charges - €43164.14. And that's before you book a ferry, or flight, or factor in fuel/hotels.

So the Irish Dealers advertising 520d's at 45k aren't a million miles out, whereas LoveDucati2's/ConlonBMW's figures are.

*I had to get this from a supermarket site - I can't get onto BMW UK for some stupid reason.

sparklepants

Geoff845 wrote: »

Get your facts straight before you have this wonderful announcement which equates to nothing really at all.

Geoff

A bit rich to be honest, considering your own post is completely devoid of facts!

ned78 wrote: »

Okay, just to clarify, here's the RRP of a BMW 520d SE in the UK (Which doesn't include delivery, or related charges) - £29,435*.

£27,430 according to bmw.co.uk.

Owen

sparklepants wrote: »

£27,430 according to bmw.co.uk.

Cheers SP. Even so, if you still work it out, I'd imagine you're there and thereabouts at 40/411k or so. So that's a million miles out from the sensationalist OP, and closer to the Irish Dealers - and if you go asking for discount at the Irish Dealer's, as I said, they'll come damn close to those values.

EDIT : worked it out at 40794 including delivery charges. So 41k before flights/ferries/hotels/fuel/days off work.

Geoff845

sparklepants wrote: »

A bit rich to be honest, considering your own post is completely devoid of facts!



£27,430 according to bmw.co.uk.

I've no desire to wamble through UK sites to find prices, my point is simply there is not this huge difference in prices between the 2 countries anymore and the 'fact' that alot of people are buying cars in Irish BMW dealers would indicate to me that the price differential is not as great as it used to be, especially with BMW Ireland's introduction of the Sterling Collection.

conlonbmw

Geoff845 wrote: »

Lads

the price for the 520d quoted above is obviously the base base spec,
Geoff

Geoff845 wrote: »

Lads
Fine the car might be €35K but who will buy it? and good luck to you with a trade in price in 2 years time. Most people buying a BMW will want a few bits and pieces and so will the guys buying it 2 years later.

Its for a 520d SE, the exact same one that the dealer in Ireland will be selling you for over 45k.

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Don't get me wrong - if they will genuinely match UK prices I think it's fantastic (and a no-brainer to buy here rather than UK).

When you phone a BMW dealer here and inform them of that price you get a smarmy response from the almost extinct BMW salesman. They have no intention of price matching.

Geoff845 wrote: »

I've no issue with someone coming in looking for a deal on a car, thats what its about but to harp on all the time about pricing with no clear evidence is bull****. BMW dealers are still selling cars and quite a few i might add and i would be sure enough alot of those buyers have looked into the UK and they still bought here.

Geoff

You sound like a nutter, you must a BMW salesman. We have provided 100% proof of price, as you could have checked yourself.

This topic has been covered before by many people, all we want to do is highlight the fact that BMW Ireland are ripping people off.

http://www.broadspeed.com/cgi-bin/bsc/config.pl?request=getvers&ref=gg&rs=&make=BMW&model=5-Series

Geoff845 wrote: »

Get your facts straight before you have this wonderful announcement which equates to nothing really at all.

Geoff

sparklepants wrote: »

A bit rich to be honest, considering your own post is completely devoid of facts!

I agree completely.

sparklepants wrote: »

£27,430 according to bmw.co.uk.

Be careful ... omnipetent Ned will accuse you of being me. Do you drive a Rover 75 as well.

sparklepants

ned78 wrote: »

EDIT : worked it out at 40794 including delivery charges. So 41k before flights/ferries/hotels/fuel/days off work.

Yes, this figure looks realistic. Not a huge difference, and probably not worthwhile if youre trading in something worth more than a couple of thousand.
Do you have any ideas why there's a difference at all, given that VAT is the same on both?

Geoff845 wrote: »

...the price differential is not as great as it used to be, especially with BMW Ireland's introduction of the Sterling Collection.

ahem, we're talking about new cars here. Used cars are a whole different kettle of fish, but don't get me started on that one.

Owen

conlonbmw wrote: »

Be careful ... omnipetent Ned will accuse you of being me. Do you drive a Rover 75 as well.

Given the fact that yourself and LoveDucati2 both drive Rover 75s which have recently had NCTs, you both post anti BMW threads, but most importantly that you both post from the same IP addresses occassionally - I think it's fair to assume you're one and the same.

sparklepants wrote: »

Yes, this figure looks realistic. Not a huge difference, and probably not worthwhile if youre trading in something worth more than a couple of thousand.

Exactly, there's a saving to be had if you're buying straight without a trade in, but otherwise if you're shrewd enough to haggle, you'd probably get a better deal here if you have a part ex.

sparklepants wrote: »

Do you have any ideas why there's a difference at all, given that VAT is the same on both?

I really wish I could account for it - the only thing I can suggest is that we're two different countries.

conlonbmw

Geoff845 wrote: »

I've no desire to wamble through UK sites to find prices, my point is simply there is not this huge difference in prices between the 2 countries anymore and the 'fact' that alot of people are buying cars in Irish BMW dealers would indicate to me that the price differential is not as great as it used to be, especially with BMW Ireland's introduction of the Sterling Collection.

So 35k euro for a brand new 520d SE

or 45k euro from irish dealer same car less warranty.

You do not consider 10,000 euro a big difference.

Ned you are wrong again, the list UK price is 38k euro converted.

Owen

conlonbmw wrote: »

Ned you are wrong again, the list UK price is 38k euro converted.

How are you arriving at your figures?

conlonbmw

ned78 wrote: »

but most importantly that you both post from the same IP addresses occassionally

I use filter blocking (isohunt), so my IP address is blocked and hidden. You are full of sh1t.

On the subject of privacy law (I am a barrister), how would you have access to that information.

Stevie Dakota

Yawn.

conlonbmw

ned78 wrote: »

How are you arriving at your figures?

Not again Ned.

You are similar to the fool in the classroom thinking he's funny when all he is is retarded.

Drummerboy08

conlonbmw wrote: »

Not again Ned.

You are similar to the fool in the classroom thinking he's funny when all he is is retarded.

Uh oh. I knew there was a reason this guy went on holidays from here.

Owen

conlonbmw wrote: »

You are similar to the fool in the classroom thinking he's funny when all he is is retarded.

No, genuinely I'm curious to know how you're arriving at your figures, your'e showing the result, but not the calculation. And try to leave the personal insults out please.

Cookie_Monster

I understand the calcs on your attachment but where do these prices come from originally?

Car New Cost


BMW 520d new 23,962.00

BMW 318d new 21,087.00

BMW 118d new 16,015.00

BMW 116d new 15,119.00

conlonbmw

ned78 wrote: »

No, genuinely I'm curious to know how you're arriving at your figures, your'e showing the result, but not the calculation. And try to leave the personal insults out please.

Ned ....

Read the Excel sheet

Look up the UK price from a UK BMW dealer with the link

I have not insulted you, I have made a decision based on below.

You are following my posts and commenting that I am another poster.
You say that you have access to our private IP address. I will be verifying this toady.
You flatly refuse to believe that BMW Ireland are ripping people off, do you work for BMW?

The only point of this post is to inform customers how much they can save. I will be contacting a moderator about you.

Owen

conlonbmw wrote: »

I have not insulted you

You most certainly have and I quote : "You are similar to the fool in the classroom thinking he's funny when all he is is retarded".

conlonbmw wrote: »

You are following my posts and commenting that I am another poster.

I am. I believe you're the same person, but I can't prove it.

conlonbmw wrote: »

You say that you have access to our private IP address. I will be verifying this toady.

Never said that. I said you post occassionally from the same IP, there's a diff.

conlonbmw wrote: »

You flatly refuse to believe that BMW Ireland are ripping people off

I refuse to believe your prices. They're wrong, and others here have verified my calculations which are correct. Also, posting a statement such as 'BMW Ireland are ripping people off' is slanderous, and will open boards.ie ltd up to legal turmoil.

Cookie_Monster

From BMW.co.uk

520d SE £27,430

So where is your figure coming from?

conlonbmw

ned78 wrote: »

You most certainly have and I quote : "You are similar to the fool in the classroom thinking he's funny when all he is is retarded".



I am. I believe you're the same person, but I can't prove it.



Never said that. I said you post occassionally from the same IP, there's a diff.



I refuse to believe your prices. They're wrong, and others here have verified my calculations which are correct. Also, posting a statement such as 'BMW Ireland are ripping people off' is slanderous, and will open boards.ie ltd up to legal turmoil.

There is no logic here.

I have logged a complaint against you. Please stop following me around.

bazzachazza

http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/pricesandspecifications/0,,1156___bs-NQ%3D%3D%40bb-TEk%3D%40sit-bmwuk,00.html

I got an OTR price of £27430 from there website

520d SE £27,430Diesel18% (20%)136 (149)55.4 (50.4)1778.3 (8.4)

DriveSkill

conlonbmw wrote: »

Ned ....

Read the Excel sheet

Look up the UK price from a UK BMW dealer with the link

The UK price from BMW.co.uk is £27,430 and according to the Revenue VRT calculation on a new BMW 520D SE will be €6900. If you plug those figures into your excel spreadsheet then the final total is just over €39K.

You cant put 'approx VRT' into your calculations and then vehemently defend that your final price is the correct one. Also the starting price has to be as per the UK BMW site in my opinion.

Either way, it doesnt really bother me cause I wont me buying one

Drummerboy08

From what i gather, list price for a new 520d SE in the uk is - £27430 + £625 metallic paint, total of £28055. (taken from BMW.co.uk)

De-vat this and you get £24395.65, when converted to euro is €27248.19.

Add Irish VAT to this and you get €33106.55.

Add your VRT to this and you get €40083.55

Add your delivery charge to this (€850) and your left with €40933.55.

Add another €500 or so for flights, food etc and your left with €41433.55.

The list price of that car in Ireland is €48500.00 inc Metallic paint. There's a difference of around €7000.00 between the prices from what i can gather.

Owen

DriveSkill wrote: »

The UK price from BMW.co.uk is £27,430 and according to the Revenue VRT calculation on a new BMW 520D SE will be €6900. If you plug those figures into your excel spreadsheet then the final total is just over €39K.

Plus delivery and related charges

DriveSkill wrote: »

Also the starting price has to be as per the UK BMW site in my opinion

Exactly.

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

There's a difference of around €7000.00 between the prices from what i can gather.

When working with the Irish RRPs yes, but with the Sterling Collection cars, there's about 3-3.8k in it before discussing trade in/discounts.

Stevie Dakota

Drivethedeal.com will sell you one for €23186.99 and while they won't sell you one to export it shows you what you may be able to haggle off the car from a BMW dealer.

conlonbmw

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

Drivethedeal.com will sell you one for €23186.99 and while they won't sell you one to export it shows you what you may be able to haggle off the car from a BMW dealer.

I know, so with flights, ferry, VRT of €6,900 VAT of €4,811, the car is STILL 11,000 Euro cheaper than the RIP OFF BMW stealers dealers.

Don't expect any gratitude from these chancers here though.

Owen

I think what's been established in this thread, is that the OP was comparing heavily discounted prices from non-BMW suppliers in the UK with official RRP's from BMW Ireland - which to be honest is about as unfair, and blatantly sensationalist as you can get, and that if you work from the BMW UK RRPs, the VRT calculator, use the correct exchange rate, and VAT rates, that the prices aren't really anything like 11000 Euro out.

Great fun for a thread though

DriveSkill

conlonbmw wrote: »

I know, so with flights, ferry, VRT of €6,900 VAT of €4,811, the car is STILL 11,000 Euro cheaper than the RIP OFF BMW stealers dealers.

Don't expect any gratitude from these chancers here though.

You are not comparing like-with-like. You cant compare a 'special deal' in the UK price to the Irish RRP! Compare the RRP (off the BMW web sites) in both cases or else find the best possible straight deal price in Ireland and compare with that!

Its like me saying I know of a friend of a friend who's cousin knew someone who once negotiated an 8K discount off a new 520 so we will say they are €40K in Ireland It doesnt stand up to scrutiny!

Stevie Dakota

Its sure looks like BMW Ireland are putting on a big mark up, but we are a small market and would be far off the volumes in the UK.

Wonder what you would get here for a cash deal on this car?

Seth Brundle

conlonBMW & Ned - will the two of you hug and stop bickering! I've had enough.
Otherwise its a weeks banning each (and don't come back to me saying "but.. but..").

As for

conlonbmw wrote: »

I use filter blocking (isohunt), so my IP address is blocked and hidden. You are full of sh1t.

On the subject of privacy law (I am a barrister), how would you have access to that information.

Standard Mods do not have access to users IP addresses. However, users higher up the chain do have access and when signing up to boards, you agreed to this. Every website that you visit has the capabilityof (and presumably does) taking your IP address by one means or another. WTF isohunt has to do with it, I don't know.
Furthermore, telling people that you are a barrister just makes (me anyhow) think you are a pompous idiot and does nothing to impress me. However, can I take this opportunity to request that whilst working as a barrister, that you read things more thoroughly than you seem to on here!

Oh to reiterate Ned's view, you do appear to me to be LoveDucati. Don't forget that users who have two accounts will be permanently banned!

edit: lastly, if you do object to a post, then please click the report post pic ()

Padraig Mor

ned78 wrote: »

Given the fact that yourself and LoveDucati2 both drive Rover 75s which have recently had NCTs, .

I used to have a Rover 75! And regularly point out how cheap BMWs are new from the UK. Uh oh.......

Gary ITR

Can we just dial it down a little here lads. STN ratio is gone a bit off the wall.



edit: Kbannon got there ahead of me

robbie99

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Add your delivery charge to this (€850) and your left with €40933.55.

Add another €500 or so for flights, food etc and your left with €41433.55.

ned78 wrote: »

Plus delivery and related charges

Lads, I can understand your frustration at loveducatti2 aka conlonbmw (there's enough circumstantial edvidence around for anyone to see this) but the UK prices have always included delivery and related charges.

bmw.co.uk - "The prices shown are on the road costs including delivery, number plates, first registration fee and BMW Emergency Service. 1st May 2009 "

Although when BMW Ireland increased prices September 2008 (or maybe it was November 2008), the delivery and related charges got included in the Irish list price but thing is that there's no need to to go adding it again to the UK price, if anything, you can discount the UK price further as you can a refund of the UK road tax that's included.

And I do have to say again as I've said in other loveducatti2's posts, it is unfair to be comparing discounted UK prices with undiscounted Irish prices. Until loveducatti2 comes up with fairer comparisons he doesn't have credibility as all we're getting here is FUD against FUD.

EDIT: Well beaten to it with the unfair comparisons comment!

-Chris-

I'm interested in the principle of comparing the UK and Irish prices (even though I think it's generally pointless, for reasons discussed at length in multiple other threads).

Is there anyone who can put together a balanced spreadsheet giving a level playing field comparison?

conlonbmw

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I used to have a Rover 75! And regularly point out how cheap BMWs are new from the UK. Uh oh.......

Oh no, then you and loveducati are me too????

I have been reading on here for years and Ned is probably a spotty 17yr old playing with himself at home. Leave the big boys alone Ned (alledged, may not be true or bannnnnable);)

I will leave Ned alone if he stops following me around, and for the rest of you, policeman Ned will be watching you all,

so you
Better Not Shout, Better Not Cry, Better Not Pout, I'm Telling You Why

Padraig Mor

AudiChris wrote: »

I'm interested in the principle of comparing the UK and Irish prices (even though I think it's generally pointless, for reasons discussed at length in multiple other threads).

Is there anyone who can put together a balanced spreadsheet giving a level playing field comparison?

I'd be interested in doing it - what exactly do you mean?

-Chris-

conlonbmw wrote: »

Oh no, then you and loveducati are me too????

I have been reading on here for years and Ned is probably a spotty 17yr old playing with himself at home. Leave the big boys alone Ned (alledged, may not be true or bannnnnable);)

I will leave Ned alone if he stops following me around, and for the rest of you, policeman Ned will be watching you all,

so you
Better Not Shout, Better Not Cry, Better Not Pout, I'm Telling You Why

Can you please put Ned on your ignore list, so that we can discuss your figures rather than just watching people bicker?

Owen

AudiChris wrote: »

I'm interested in the principle of comparing the UK and Irish prices (even though I think it's generally pointless, for reasons discussed at length in multiple other threads).

There's probably an opening for some enthusiast to create a website that does something similar. Purely for pigiron, I'd love to have access to something like that too - it's a great yardstick to see what way the market is lying and if it's competitive or not.

The only issues I can see would be :
Sterling fluctuation
VRT calculator doesn't include optional extras, and accounting for them would be a nightmare due to the variances in spec.
Miscellaneous Irish Market Influences (Overstocking of some models, etc)

Otherwise it would be a great tool though, for punter and dealer alike.

R.O.R

AudiChris wrote: »

I'm interested in the principle of comparing the UK and Irish prices (even though I think it's generally pointless, for reasons discussed at length in multiple other threads).

Is there anyone who can put together a balanced spreadsheet giving a level playing field comparison?

You know I could, but I don't know if that's really in anyone's best interests. Having been through this recently with a potential customer it really boils down to the fact that the Republic of Ireland is a different country to the UK. We might as well stick Spain, Norway, Greece (insert any other EU / European country) in there as well.

Just because we share a land border with another country doesn't mean pricing should be the same, I'm sure the same situation exists in the likes of Holland/Belgium/Luxembourg.