Cyclist nearly killed a family member

yoshytoshy

Just had to post about an issue that happened yesterday in the phoenix park.

My sister was walking back to her car and had her seven year old daughter with her. They had to walk accross the cycle lane in order to get to their car ,but in the process some big ape ploughed past them ,doing at least 40KMPH.
All he did was let a roar at my sister and completely frightened the little one ,he was going so fast he basically came from nowhere.

Some common sense is not much ,to expect from people

Raam

Can't wait to see how this thread pans out.

lukester

Where's the munching popcorn emoticon when you need it?

yoshytoshy

I cycle myself ,so forget about the save the planet replies.

lukester

But the planet needs saving, no?

Raam

lukester wrote: »

Where's the munching popcorn emoticon when you need it?

It's over there, beside the ability to look before crossing a lane.

Jawgap

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Just had to post about an issue that happened yesterday in the phoenix park.

My sister was walking back to her car and had her seven year old daughter with her. They had to walk accross the cycle lane in order to get to their car ,but in the process some big ape ploughed past them ,doing at least 40KMPH.
All he did was let a roar at my sister and completely frightened the little one ,he was going so fast he basically came from nowhere.

Some common sense is not much ,to expect from people

A big ape?!?!?! Call the zoo and let them know one's escaped!! - Sorry I couldn't resist......

It's a pity he couldn't have just said "good morning" and lightened everyone's day.

I used to cycle in the Park quite regularly and while the vast majority of cyclists seem to enjoy it for what it is, a significant few always seem hell bent on sweeping everything not on two wheels from the cycle lane, and anything not moving quick enough is open to being targeted.

I hope your sister and niece have got over the experience and are not put off using the Park.

Mitch Connor

Similar happened to me the other day.

Was going to my car, but it was on the other side of the road. Just as I went to cross the road, a car roared past doing at least 40kph. Disgraceful.

lukester

Raam wrote: »

It's over there, beside the ability to look before crossing a lane.

That's a silly place to put it. Sheesh, some people.

yoshytoshy

I felt sorry for the bloke in a way ,if he had of hit them.

cunnins4

Sorry about that, the big box of bananas in your hands made me go faster.





And I was doing 45.

Hagar

Just to re-cap, your sister was walking across a cycle lane and a cyclist came along. Whatever next?

lukester

yoshytoshy wrote: »

some big ape ploughed past them ,doing at least 40KMPH.

Fast ape. Was he wearing a helmet?

tunney

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Just had to post about an issue that happened yesterday in the phoenix park.

My sister was walking back to her car and had her seven year old daughter with her. They had to walk accross the cycle lane in order to get to their car ,but in the process some big ape ploughed past them ,doing at least 40KMPH.
All he did was let a roar at my sister and completely frightened the little one ,he was going so fast he basically came from nowhere.

Some common sense is not much ,to expect from people

When did they stop doing "look left, look right, look left again" in school?

perhaps a more apt title for this thread is "A family member nearly killed a cyclist".

Aussie Sean

You should try being a dumb Irish tourist who strays into the cycle lanes while strolling across New Yorks Brooklyn Bridge!! Now there's abuse you won't forget in a hurry!!!:eek:


Sean

tunney

yoshytoshy wrote: »

I felt sorry for the bloke in a way ,if he had of hit them.

Could have been a nasty acident but i'm sure your families members would have broken his fall.

Other than that no real come back on him. He was in the right, they were in the wrong.

Why cross a lane of traffic without checking?

passive

What happened to your one in Germany who went stupidly into the polar bear cage and got in the way of the polar bears then? Was it something along the lines of being injured by a polar bear?

yoshytoshy

Hagar wrote: »

Just to re-cap, your sister was walking across a cycle lane and a cyclist came along. Whatever next?

Let me make this crystal clear ,this bloke came up behind them as they were walking. He knew that they didn't see them and didn't slow down ,the little one was walking along side.
The cycle lane in the phoenix park is nowhere near the main road ,no comparison with crossing a road.

Raam

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Let me make this crystal clear ,this bloke came up behind them as they were walking. He knew that they didn't see them and didn't slow down ,the little one was walking along side.
The cycle lane in the phoenix park is nowhere near the main road ,no comparison with crossing a road.

Ah, so they were walking in the cycling lane?

Mitch Connor

Aussie Sean wrote: »

You should try being a dumb Irish tourist who strays into the cycle lanes while strolling across New Yorks Brooklyn Bridge!! Now there's abuse you won't forget in a hurry!!!:eek:


Sean

Or just walking round a city in germany. god damn i wanted to kill those cyclists byt he end of each stay (though a lot more so in Dresden). They are freaking everywhere, bombing down the paths with their bells....

yoshytoshy

Oil slicks are too good for you.

bladespin

Just an observation but don't cyclists have a duty of care (like car drivers etc) to pedestrians, from reading this he was definately in the wrong - safe distance etc even though they crossed 'his' lane.


Shocking attitude to show in front of a child either way.

Mitch Connor

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Let me make this crystal clear ,this bloke came up behind them as they were walking. He knew that they didn't see them and didn't slow down ,the little one was walking along side.
The cycle lane in the phoenix park is nowhere near the main road ,no comparison with crossing a road.

why were the walking in the cycle lane?

If they weren't, it is then: Why weren;t they looking before trying to walk across the cycle lane. Hell, if i'm changing the position I'm walking in on a path, i'd take a quick look to see that I won't be stepping directly infront of another person, never mind walking across a cycle lane.

Jawgap

passive wrote: »

What happened to your one in Germany who went stupidly into the polar bear cage and got in the way of the polar bears then? Was it something along the lines of being injured by a polar bear?

This is getting surreal - now there's a polar bear following the ape - I take it they were on the early shift in the zoo!

The bike lane in the Park isn't raceway. What's wrong with a little courtesy?

Mitch Connor

bladespin wrote: »

Just an observation but don't cyclists have a duty of care (like car drivers etc) to pedestrians, from reading this he was definately in the wrong - safe distance etc even though they crossed 'his' lane.

and he didn't hit them. If someone stepped out in front of my car, or looked like they were about to, after i was sure i wasn't going to hit them, i would beep at them for their stupidity.

Hagar

It could be worse, imagine if you had posted this thread in AH.

passive

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Oil slicks are too good for you.

Try the same post on the motor forum, but replace bike with car and see how they react.

And he "came out of nowhere?"

do elaborate, was he hiding behind a tree? Or did he say, go in a continuous straight line along his designated lane, and your sister led her 7 year old in his path without looking, with barely enough time to react?

(edit: Just read that they were walking in the lane... eh... that doesn't make things better, but is different, I'll acknowledge)

Caroline_ie

afaik these are not parking spots on the side of the road on the Pheonix park are they? So it all comes back to the same old 'Laws were never enforced' and people making their own rules. People should not park their car on the hard shoulder in the 1st place.

I mentioned that the other day I think, I was insulted for telling a mother to mind her barely walking baby on the cycle lane ( she wasn't looking at her child). If anything was to happen as in, a child getting injured, I would be very sorry for the cyclist.

Now sit back and watch ( beer would be nice with the popcorn )

Jawgap

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Or just walking round a city in germany. god damn i wanted to kill those cyclists byt he end of each stay (though a lot more so in Dresden). They are freaking everywhere, bombing down the paths with their bells....

Dresden......bombing.......come on!?!?!?!

MagicMarker

So your sister walks in front of a cyclist, and the cyclist is in the wrong?

Suuuuree.

tunney

bladespin wrote: »

Just an observation but don't cyclists have a duty of care (like car drivers etc) to pedestrians, from reading this he was definately in the wrong - safe distance etc even though they crossed 'his' lane.


Shocking attitude to show in front of a child either way.

You're right its terrible behaviour.

The mother should have been setting a much better example to the child. Some one should report her to social services maybe?

tunney

Jawgap wrote: »

This is getting surreal - now there's a polar bear following the ape - I take it they were on the early shift in the zoo!

The bike lane in the Park isn't raceway. What's wrong with a little courtesy?

Whats wrong with the footpath?
And whats wrong with looking before crossing?

Mitch Connor

Jawgap wrote: »

Dresden......bombing.......come on!?!?!?!

lol - hadn't thought of that. Ploughing down the paths?

yoshytoshy

Caroline_ie wrote: »

afaik these are not parking spots on the side of the road on the Pheonix park are they? So it all comes back to the same old 'Laws were never enforced' and people making their own rules. People should not park their car on the hard shoulder in the 1st place.

I mentioned that the other day I think, I was insulted for telling a mother to mind her barely walking baby on the cycle lane ( she wasn't looking at her child). If anything was to happen as in, a child getting injured, I would be very sorry for the cyclist.

Now sit back and watch ( beer would be nice with the popcorn )

I'm no troll ,you don't need beer by the way ,your already drunk on your own righteousnous

LostinBlanch

bladespin wrote: »

Just an observation but don't cyclists have a duty of care (like car drivers etc) to pedestrians, from reading this he was definately in the wrong - safe distance etc even though they crossed 'his' lane.


Shocking attitude to show in front of a child either way.

Of course not! That's the kind of stupid thinking that would make people believe that the rules of the road actually applied to all cyclists.* :rolleyes:

Leave them free to pick and choose the laws that actually apply to them and the specific instances in which they do so.

*In theory they do but not always in practice.

lukester

Jawgap wrote: »

What's wrong with a little courtesy?

Agree entirely. Show courtesy to cyclists by not walking in the cycle lane. And show courtesy, no, basic care for your child by not walking with her in the cycle lane.

Jawgap

Caroline_ie wrote: »

afaik these are not parking spots on the side of the road on the Pheonix park are they? So it all comes back to the same old 'Laws were never enforced' and people making their own rules. People should not park their car on the hard shoulder in the 1st place.

I mentioned that the other day I think, I was insulted for telling a mother to mind her barely walking baby on the cycle lane ( she wasn't looking at her child). If anything was to happen as in, a child getting injured, I would be very sorry for the cyclist.

Now sit back and watch ( beer would be nice with the popcorn )

So would I - along with anyone else injured. The punishment for walking on a cycle lane is not physical pain and / or injury!

lukester

yoshytoshy wrote: »

I'm no troll ,you don't need beer by the way ,your you're already drunk on your own righteousnous righteousness

Fixed that for you

kenmc

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Just had to post about an issue that happened yesterday in the phoenix park.

My sister was walking back to her car and had her seven year old daughter with her. They had to walk accross the cycle lane in order to get to their car ,but in the process some big ape ploughed past them ,doing at least 40KMPH.
All he did was let a roar at my sister and completely frightened the little one ,he was going so fast he basically came from nowhere.

Some common sense is not much ,to expect from people

I know what to do here. We all need to jump into the time machine, go back 24 hours, and teach your sister how to cross the road safely, whilst setting her child a good example.

Besides that, what is your point in coming on here other than to start a flame war? Are you looking for an apology from that cyclist? An explanation from all cylists for the meaning of life of one incident? Or to apologise to us all on behalf of your sister for her inability to cross the road safely?

Troll.

bladespin

Mitch Connor wrote: »

and he didn't hit them. If someone stepped out in front of my car, or looked like they were about to, after i was sure i wasn't going to hit them, i would beep at them for their stupidity.

tunney wrote: »

You're right its terrible behaviour.

The mother should have been setting a much better example to the child. Some one should report her to social services maybe?

If you think it's appropriate behaviour to shout abuse at people and frighten children I'm appauled.
Behaviour like that does no cyclist justice.

zzzzzzzz

Was he wearing a helmet though?

He was probably in a rush home to get the cake out of the oven.

Sure he doesn't pay road tax so he has to cycle somewhere.

Ah well - at least he's out on his bike.

Chips Lovell

Sigh.

Lesson 1 for cyclists: If you want to ride at 40kph in the Phoenix Park, ride on the road.

Lesson 1 for pedestrians: A cycle lane is a traffic lane populated by vehicles called bikes. If you insist on walking on it don't be surprised to encounter traffic.

Lesson 2 for cyclists: Roaring at pedestrians in the cycle lane doesn't teach them lesson. They just resent you for it.

In short, just ride on the road.

Mitch Connor

LostinBlanch wrote: »

Of course not! That's the kind of stupid thinking that would make people believe that the rules of the road actually applied to all cyclists.* :rolleyes:

Leave them free to pick and choose the laws that actually apply to them and the specific instances in which they do so.

*In theory they do but not always in practice.

how is it different to a car doing 40kph down a road with a footpath beside it, then a pedestrian decides to step out. yes, the car is at fault if there is a collision, but as long as there is not is it unreasonable to think that the driver might beep at the pedestrian for stepping out without looking?

I'm not a cyclist, and I get annoyed by the behavior of some in traffic, but if you replace cycle lane and bike with road and car, the situation is similar to what is seen a lot. I think the main difference is that some people do not treat the cycle lane with the same respect they would treat a road, and see it as simply an extension of the path they are walking on.

A sensible person wouldn't cross a road, or step into a road, without checking where the cars were, and the same should apply to people and cycle lanes.

abcdggs

from reading this thread, i cant really see the point of the OP. Maybe trying to demonize a cyclist in the cycling forum wasnt such a good idea on their part.

++1 on the pop corn and beer,

yoshytoshy

kenmc wrote: »

I know what to do here. We all need to jump into the time machine, go back 24 hours, and teach your sister how to cross the road safely, whilst setting her child a good example.

Besides that, what is your point in coming on here other than to start a flame war? Are you looking for an apology from that cyclist? An explanation from all cylists for the meaning of life of one incident? Or to apologise to us all on behalf of your sister for her inability to cross the road safely?

Troll.

My point is ,the bloke looked like a proper cyclist and he knew what he was doing.
It wasn't some 60 something looking up into the sky and rolling down the hill ,he was cycling hard and knew exactly what he was doing.
If anything the bloke did what he did ,with vengeance. If there wasn't a child envolved ,there wouldn't be an issue.

If anything ,I hope the bloke reads this.

kenmc

Caroline_ie wrote: »

I mentioned that the other day I think, I was insulted for telling a mother to mind her barely walking baby on the cycle lane ( she wasn't looking at her child). If anything was to happen as in, a child getting injured, I would be very sorry for the cyclist.

I had a good one a couple of years ago - was going up (thankfully) the hill in dundrum past the police station. A kid about 4 or 5 who was walking with hs dad runs straight out into the road, I had to swerve around him, barely missing him. Shouted out something like "Keep a hold of your fúcking kid" and the answer was "Mind your fúcking language" :pac::rolleyes:
Now I know which I'd rather have; a live kid who knows the word fúck than a dead one. If it was a car instead of me, or if I was going downhill the kid would defo have been hit.

seamus

If she was walking down the road with her back to the traffic and a car drove by at 40kph, beeping his horn and scaring the poor little mite, would you complain that the car is a reckless maniac? This is half the problem with Irish roads. People do whatever they like and always assume that someone else must be in the wrong.

jlang

Cycle lanes shouldn't be provided without pedestrian crossings.

Seriously, I'm glad your niece is OK. There's lessons here for cyclists to look ahead and be aware of pedestrians that may walk out in front of them and pedestrians to treat crossing cycle lanes no less seriously than crossing roads.

Also, I know it's hard to judge speed but if he really was doing 40km/h he would probably have been better off on the road for his own peace of mind. I would find it hard to keep any speed up on those lanes because there's so many other users - slower cyclists, opposite direction cyclists, roller skaters, even a few pedestrians etc - some of them walking along with their small children on bikes. I can't really fault the non-cyclists as the lanes are not well marked and if you park your car along Chesterfield Ave to get to the footpath in many places you can have to cross the grass and go over/under railings.

Traumadoc

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Just had to post about an issue that happened yesterday in the phoenix park.

My sister was walking back to her car and had her seven year old daughter with her. They had to walk accross the cycle lane in order to get to their car ,but in the process some big ape ploughed past them ,doing at least 40KMPH.
All he did was let a roar at my sister and completely frightened the little one ,he was going so fast he basically came from nowhere.

Some common sense is not much ,to expect from people

I see irresponsible parents like this every time I cycle in the park, If you had crossed the main road and a car came across this dangerous meandering they would quite rightly beep the horn.

You should consider the cycle lane as you would the main road , it is not a footpath. You are lucky the child was not killed.

The next time your sister might look when she crosses a cycle lane.

Jawgap

This one way to spend a lunchtime......

It's a park - there was a mother & child enjoying the park and the Park's by laws state:-

"No person shall annoy or otherwise interfere with any other person using or enjoying the Park in a lawful manner;"

......pass the popcorn over here, please!

kenmc

yoshytoshy wrote: »

My point is ,the bloke looked like a proper cyclist and he knew what he was doing.

I can only infer from that then that your sister is not a proper person and did not know what she was doing.