Star Trek 2009 - What did you think? **POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT**

Ron DMC

Just back from the movies.ie screening in Cineworld.
I'm sure a few others have seen it between previews/media screenings/premiere by now.
What did you think overall of it?

Personally, I thought it was fantastic. Very good addition to the series and definite rewatchability in it.

I must say the casting, score, soundtrack, and production overall couldn't be faulted.

Plot was immense.

Not that complicated even with all the time-travel bits. Easy to follow for non-trekkies, and super character driven stories for a cast we know and love (even with the odd spin it had).

Well, opinions...

Woden

Just a note to say to continue with the example set by Ronny Mitchell with regards to the use of spoiler tags for the upcoming film until general release

Thanks and regards,

Woden

Irishtrekkie

spoliers !!! ? :eek: f**k that , i will tell you everything about the movie

first KIRK KICK SOME ASS , then he KICKS some more ASS, also SPOCK KICKS SOME ASS , then they get into SPACE AND START KICKING ASS.........OH AND THE ships named ENTERPRISE.

Johnny Storm

"You will always be a child of two worlds"

FYI I am 49 years old and I have been a Trek fan for 40 ****in' long years. For me TOS is beyond any kind of criticism. You may say "TOS is cheesy", I say "well, you would have had to have been there." Trek has been a big part of my life. So that's where I'm coming from :cool:

I had a lot of reservations in advance about this movie: reboot, prequel, 90210-style recasting, dumbing-down, JJ not a Trek fan etc

Anyway, bottom line: I really enjoyed this movie. I want to see sequel, after sequel, after sequel......................:D

If I was William Shatner I would be filling out the adoption papers for Chris Pine :P

Not to say its perfect, already multiple nitpicks are forming. Like my major role-model, Comic Book Guy, I will have to see this movie another 26 times before I can fully develop my opinion on it, but if you like Trek, if you have an open mind and an open heart and if your expectations are not too high then I think you will enjoy this film.


Finally a movie that addresses the key philosophical question that has underlain all Trek since it's inception in 1966:
"Do still they have sandwiches in the future?"

rgbm1

"Did you leave the parking brake on?"

I'm a long time Trek fan as well. While a few things take a bit of getting used to I really enjoyed it overall. I think it will be a huge hit worldwide.

The cast were as good as we could hope for, some did an impression really well, Urban was spot on as McCoy, Chekov was a bit much, luckily Pine did his own spin on Kirk and Quinto has Spock's look as if he was born for it.

It's the first time since the motion picture that a Trek movie has had the budget to really show the scope of the story. I'm looking forward to the next one already!

norrie rugger

"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence"

just back from the midnight screening in tallaght, i really really enjoyed it but i am still not sure if i liked it.
Some of the lines they take are just so out of left field, i was left reeling from some of them and still kind of shocked.
I will see it again just to take everything in properly.

Cast are outstanding and effects top notch, this is an ideal movie to grab new fans but there is just so much new things for old fans to take in

basically all my trek dvd's are gone, in terms of the new timeline. All the stories i loved are 'gone'.

Will take some adjusting to be honest, i just don't know yet how i am going to take that

Goodshape

"You will always be a child of two worlds"

It was very very good. Definitely, without a doubt, would like to see more from this ship and this crew.

It's easier to criticise... so...

I missed the old music . I anticipated that they'd do their own thing with it but I kept expect the old tunes would bubble to the surface at opportune moments and it never happened --- the Enterprise reveal for instance. Not the same without the old Trek fanfair.

The break-neck speed of it all. Not necessarily a bad thing but, as a Trek fan, I'd have enjoyed seeing the characters interact a bit more (what interaction there was between them was top-notch).

And pretty much everything else was brilliant as far as I can remember. When the next one out?

Goodshape

"You will always be a child of two worlds"

norrie rugger wrote: »

basically all my trek dvd's are gone, in terms of the new timeline. All the stories i loved are 'gone'.

Really? That sucks. I've still got mine


/puts on some TNG and enjoys a 'classic Trek' episode.

norrie rugger

"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence"

Goodshape wrote: »

Really? That sucks. I've still got mine


/puts on some TNG and enjoys a 'classic Trek' episode.

You mean an episode

that, in the trek universe, will never now happen

?

Johnny Storm

"You will always be a child of two worlds"

norrie rugger wrote: »

You mean an episode

that, in the trek universe, will never now happen

?

No,

all that stuff happened in Trekiverse 1 and now elder Spock finds himself in alternative timeline Trekiverse 2 where things will probably continue to happen differently. That doesn't mean that Trekiverse 1 has stopped existing. Since Spock is now openly from the future presumably he can share TNG-era technology from his universe with pre-TOS-era Starfleet in timeline 2. This will probably make the timelines diverge further and explain more changes/updates that we will see in the sequels. Personally I am quite happy with the alternative timeline explanation for the reboot. Also its quite possible that Vulcan may be restored in future sequels and other changes "corrected".

Ron DMC

"I like this ship. It's Exciting"

The biggest wtf bit of the new film was

Spock and Uhura. I'm gonna have to rewatch some classic trek to see where that came from.

Overall, I thought it was brilliant, at one point

(when Vulcan had been destroyed), I thought we were gonna see a First Contact type story with them going back to prevent it happening, but thankfully they steered clear of it, making the story much better in the end.

Still on a buzz from it, gonna go again on Sunday I reckon. Second viewing might bring more clarity.

Oh, and I hated that little furry ewok thingy Scotty was mates with.

chrussell

Ronny Mitchell wrote: »

Oh, and I hated that little furry ewok thingy Scotty was mates with.

I thought he was funny!! I loved the film, gonna go again over the weekend!!

Niska

"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence"

Really enjoyed it - a good, entertaining film. Three stars overall - decent flick, but missing that critical mass to achieve fission...

Thought Urban was wonderful as Bones (even doing a DeForest Kelly impersonation "Green blooded hobgoblin") - the casting in general was, mostly, spot on. Korean Sulu? (though apart from that he was quite good). Seweteen year old, comwic wrelief Chekow? Eric Bana hamme dit up quite well. And Nimoy did look old.

Plot was decent - if fairly pedestrian. At least they didn't use the "red matter" or black-hole at the end as a reset switch. It also moved on at a good, fast pace, without too much breaks of mis-judged "comedy". What comic-relief was used (Chekov, Pavel) wa, though slightly annoying, funny, and did not impede or slow the plot.

Acton set-pieces were all well coordinated, and the FX were excellent. This was what worried me most after the trailers - I find the quick cut's and music-videoesq editing of the trailers gave the FX a bland, almost generic, look. Fortunately they were up to scratch in the movie.

Found the music ebbing between generic summer blockbuster fair and poor. With the rich tapestry of Trek music (original series and movies) to draw upon, for inspiration if nothing else, it should have been so much better. And, at the end when the TOS theme's were finally played they were jarringly different and only highlighted the poor quality of the overall score.

Disliked the new look Enterprise, especially the nacelles. Not sure if it's because of the general aesthetic or just because it's different from that classic (and movie refit) Constitution class beaut....

jmccoy

"You will always be a child of two worlds"

I went to see this film in the Omniplex in Limerick at 8pm this evening. It was brilliant !:)

Spon Farmer

Ronny Mitchell wrote: »

Just back from the movies.ie screening in Cineworld.

I was at the 14:30 showing there.
It was fantastic.
Roll on the next one.

biggest WTF? moment was

what happened to Amanda

and then the Holy S**t moment of

Kirk going full throttle to rub it in

"Have you got numb-tongue?"
"I can fix that

dimejinky99

"You will always be a child of two worlds"

Loved it..my only wtf moment was

the beastie boys 'sabotage' playing in the car hes stolen when hes a kid..just outta place in an uncomfortable way

other than that i love what he's ended it

i think it's brilliant and we should be positive cos its opened it all up for possible new series and new adventures..i loved it

Goodshape

"You will always be a child of two worlds"

Good talk by J.J. Abrams at TED here (not strictly Trek related) :
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/j_j_abrams_mystery_box.html

I wouldn't be his biggest fan but I think his philosophy here suits Star Trek perfectly. The Star Trek universe is a huge magic box. Hope he's back for number (1)2.

dimejinky99 wrote: »

Loved it..my only wtf moment was

the beastie boys 'sabotage' playing in the car hes stolen when hes a kid..just outta place in an uncomfortable way

I didn't really mind Sabptage... hadn't heard the song in ages, great with the surround sound

More jarring were the Budweiser and Nokia mentions but... as much as I'd hate to be condoning product placement... it did help cement this film in the real world. Which was good. Earth seemed a lot more real than any other time I've seen it in the franchise.

norrie rugger

"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence"

Goodshape wrote: »

More jarring were the Budweiser and Nokia mentions but... as much as I'd hate to be condoning product placement... it did help cement this film in the real world. Which was good. Earth seemed a lot more real than any other time I've seen it in the franchise.

even the bowels of the ship looked authentic.

super clean bridges, where the officers can frolic but everywhere else is a work place

Gaz

Fantastic movie with one exception , Wynona Ryder. That was some woeful casting, why not just use an older actress ?? She seriously bend over for some exec to get that role.

DrumSteve

"I like this ship. It's Exciting"

this was pretty much the most hands down awesome thing in ages... though i felt this film was more about spock than kirk for some reason. quinto was excellent i must say, along with karl urban.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

One word. Awesome!

norrie rugger

"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence"

Gaz wrote: »

Fantastic movie with one exception , Wynona Ryder. That was some woeful casting, why not just use an older actress ?? She seriously bend over for some exec to get that role.

Come here, I would have bent over for some exec, for a role in the movie.

L31mr0d

"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence"

Ronny Mitchell wrote: »

The biggest wtf bit of the new film was

Spock and Uhura. I'm gonna have to rewatch some classic trek to see where that came from.

Akair this has nothing to do with TOS. It's a change in the timeline.

Spock only makes a connection with Uhuru because she shows him sympathy and affection when he loses his planet, which never happened in TOS. Also we have to assume that Spocks father would never of confided in him that he married his mother out of love and not pure logic. This revelation could of led him to be more open in accepting his feelings for Uhuru

Niska

"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence"

I went to see this film in the Omniplex in Limerick at 8pm this evening. It was brilliant !

Screen 4? Same showing as I was at.

Johnny Storm

"You will always be a child of two worlds"

Gaz wrote: »

Fantastic movie with one exception , Wynona Ryder. That was some woeful casting, why not just use an older actress ?? She seriously bend over for some exec to get that role.

She's only in the movie for about 10 seconds ?

Goodshape

"You will always be a child of two worlds"

L31mr0d wrote: »

Akair this has nothing to do with TOS. It's a change in the timeline.

Spock only makes a connection with Uhuru because she shows him sympathy and affection when he loses his planet

I got the impression that they were together before that?

Might just be because it was one of the spoilers (I are weak) I read before seeing the film.. so I was expecting it. But when they first showed a hint of the relationship on screen, I thought it seemed as though this is something they had been hiding -- rather than being something totally new.

Clare_Guy

"You will always be a child of two worlds"

L31mr0d wrote: »

Akair this has nothing to do with TOS. It's a change in the timeline.

Spock only makes a connection with Uhuru because she shows him sympathy and affection when he loses his planet, which never happened in TOS. Also we have to assume that Spocks father would never of confided in him that he married his mother out of love and not pure logic. This revelation could of led him to be more open in accepting his feelings for Uhuru

I saw it last night, I thought it was brilliant, opens up endless possibilities for future episodes.


I'm afraid you're wrong L31mr0d

Spock and Uhuru obviously have a relationship that predates the destruction of Vulcan because in the part where the cadets are being assigned to their ships, when Uhuru remonstrates with Spock because she didn't get assigned to the Enterprise despite being top of the class etc., she makes it obvious that they are an "item" by saying she'd been "orally sensitive" and Spock says he didn't want to seem like he'd given her preferential treatment because of their relationship.

L31mr0d

"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence"

Clare_Guy wrote: »

I'm afraid you're wrong L31mr0d

Spock and Uhuru obviously have a relationship that predates the destruction of Vulcan because in the part where the cadets are being assigned to their ships, when Uhuru remonstrates with Spock because she didn't get assigned to the Enterprise despite being top of the class etc., she makes it obvious that they are an "item" by saying she'd been "orally sensitive" and Spock says he didn't want to seem like he'd given her preferential treatment because of their relationship.

Well I was merely speculating. It might turn out that they where an item previous to Vulcans destruction, however your understanding of the scene between Spock and Uhuru, before boarding the enterprise, could also be wrong. She said she had been "aurally sensitive" referring to her training and expertise. The reason he didn't want to put her on the ship with him was that he didn't want to be showing favouritism for any of his students.

Clare_Guy

"You will always be a child of two worlds"

L31mr0d wrote: »

Well I was merely speculating. It might turn out that they where an item previous to Vulcans destruction, however your understanding of the scene between Spock and Uhuru, before boarding the enterprise, could also be wrong. She said she had been "aurally sensitive" referring to her training and expertise. The reason he didn't want to put her on the ship with him was that he didn't want to be showing favouritism for any of his students.

I'm certain she said "orally" and how would he be showing favouritism if she was just like any other student?

L31mr0d

"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence"

Clare_Guy wrote: »

she was just like any other student?

She wasn't though, Spock said she was unrivalled in her aural abilities. He didn't want to be showing favouritism by assigning his best student to the same ship as himself.

Clare_Guy

"You will always be a child of two worlds"

L31mr0d wrote: »

She wasn't though, Spock said she was unrivalled in her aural abilities. He didn't want to be showing favouritism by assigning his best student to the same ship as himself.

Riiiiiiggghhhtt! So it'd be favouritism by placing the best student in the flagship of the fleet? Because she's the best student! Logical!

It's pretty obvious they had some kind of relationship, but whatever you think yourself.

L31mr0d

"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence"

Clare_Guy wrote: »

Riiiiiiggghhhtt! So it'd be favouritism by placing the best student in the flagship of the fleet? Because she's the best student! Logical!

It's got nothing to do with it being the flagship. It's got to do with the fact that Spock was assigned to the Enterprise so it would look like favouritism if he assigned his best student to himself. Do you understand favouritism? It would look like he was favouring Uhuru when he should be treating all his students as equal. Its not that complicated of a concept.

Regardless, I got no inkling from that scene that they where romantically involved. Plus, as the event at the academy happened before Spock and Uhurus timelines where changed it doesn't account for the fact that they where not romantically involved in TOS

Goodshape

"You will always be a child of two worlds"

L31mr0d wrote: »

Regardless, I got no inkling from that scene that they where romantically involved. Plus, as the event at the academy happened before Spock and Uhurus timelines where changed it doesn't account for the fact that they where not romantically involved in TOS

Nah, I think there was a relationship going on beforehand. It's a bit of a stretch, imo, to think she just jumped on him after

Vulcan was destroyed

... and that he accepted it just as quick. Assigning the best communications officer to the flagship doesn't sound like favouritism to me, in and of itself.

Also -- at this point in time both Spock and Uhura had spent three years with and around James Kirk, so plenty of chances for things to be different from the events which occured in the original timeline. And that's not even taking into account that Kirk is hardy the only thing to have changed since the Kelvin's destruction.

Clare_Guy

"You will always be a child of two worlds"

L31mr0d wrote: »

It's got nothing to do with it being the flagship. It's got to do with the fact that Spock was assigned to the Enterprise so it would look like favouritism if he assigned his best student to himself. Do you understand favouritism? It would look like he was favouring Uhuru when he should be treating all his students as equal. Its not that complicated of a concept.

I think it's you that doesn't understand the concept?!!
How can placing the best candidate in the flagship (most important) be favouritism? You're now speculating that Spock was her only teacher in the academy!

L31mr0d wrote: »

Regardless, I got no inkling from that scene that they where romantically involved.

After Spock tells Uhuru that he hadn't assigned her because he was afraid it would be perceived as favouritism, Uhuru says something to him (I can't remember what?) and Spock immediately adopts an embarrassed look and replies, "you're assigned to the Enterprise". The look of sheepishness on Spock's face and the pleased look on Uhuru's were both shown, in my opinion, to show that they were in a relationship.

L31mr0d wrote: »

Plus, as the event at the academy happened before Spock and Uhurus timelines where changed it doesn't account for the fact that they where not romantically involved in TOS

Well seeing as TOS was set quite some time after the academy it's possible that the relationship simply "fizzled out", anyway I think Ronny Mitchell was being a bit tongue-in-cheek when he mentioned checking TOS for this relationship...

L31mr0d

"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence"

Goodshape wrote: »

Nah, I think there was a relationship going on beforehand. It's a bit of a stretch, imo, to think she just jumped on him after

Vulcan was destroyed

... and that he accepted it just as quick. Assigning the best communications officer to the flagship doesn't sound like favouritism to me, in and of itself.

So what are you saying here, that it was known before hand that Spock was romantically involved with one of his students? and that others would view it as favouritism because they already knew he was dating Uhuru? Why didn't Kirk also know this. If it was a secret relationship Spock would of had no reason to not put Uhuru on the Enterprise, if it was an open relationship then Kirk or Bones would of known something about it. It doesn't add up.

Clare_Guy

"You will always be a child of two worlds"

L31mr0d wrote: »

So what are you saying here, that it was known before hand that Spock was romantically involved with one of his students? and that others would view it as favouritism because they already knew he was dating Uhuru? Why didn't Kirk also know this. If it was a secret relationship Spock would of had no reason to not put Uhuru on the Enterprise, if it was an open relationship then Kirk or Bones would of known something about it. It doesn't add up.

I think they had a relationship, they kept it quiet, Spock did not assign her to the Enterprise because he was worried it would look like favouring his lady, despite it not being common knowledge (the paranoid human part of him ) Uhuru called him on it coz she knew, being top of her class, no-one could accuse him of giving her preferential treatment.

L31mr0d

"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence"

Clare_Guy wrote: »

I think they had a relationship

Ok well, tbh, it can be interpreted both ways depending on how you wish to look at it. Orci and Kurtzman haven't mentioned anything about them being involved romantically in the academy, however they have said in interviews that Vulcans destruction and the revelation that his father married his mother because he loved her was the catalyst.

I'm of the opinion that Spock and Uhuru where very close friends in the academy, but after the events of this movie Uhuru openly showed her feelings for Spock and in turn Spock returned them once he realized, after speaking to his father, that he didn't need to live his life purely based on logic.

Spon Farmer

Gaz wrote: »

Fantastic movie with one exception , Wynona Ryder. That was some woeful casting, why not just use an older actress ?? She seriously bend over for some exec to get that role.

They didn't use an older actress because

Ryder was intended to feature a lot more - such as the prologue (was also meant to feature Spock's birth) plus she has a scene with a very young Spock - and they'll be on the DVD

to say her casting was "woeful" is silly

Spon Farmer

Clare_Guy wrote: »

I'm certain she said "orally" and how would he be showing favouritism if she was just like any other student?

no it "aurally" and yes

the romance pre-dates Vulcan's demise

Spon Farmer

L31mr0d wrote: »

It's got nothing to do with it being the flagship. It's got to do with the fact that Spock was assigned to the Enterprise so it would look like favouritism if he assigned his best student to himself. Do you understand favouritism? It would look like he was favouring Uhuru when he should be treating all his students as equal. Its not that complicated of a concept.

Regardless, I got no inkling from that scene that they where romantically involved. Plus, as the event at the academy happened before Spock and Uhurus timelines where changed it doesn't account for the fact that they where not romantically involved in TOS

it pretty obvious. also the

the Trekverse timeline is altered in the prologue sequence not with Vulcan's destruction

spooky donkey

"I like this ship. It's Exciting"

I have to say i loved it. Went to see it with a bunch of trekie mates and they all loved it also. One of the things that stood out for me apart from the great performances was the use of proper alien aliens. Not just get a human stick some latex on their head and make up a reace name, we have some really good alien creatuers in this movie.

Also any know know why spock crouched down to use the transporter? Did he have some fear of the tech like bones does?

Spon Farmer

L31mr0d wrote: »

So what are you saying here, that it was known before hand that Spock was romantically involved with one of his students? and that others would view it as favouritism because they already knew he was dating Uhuru? Why didn't Kirk also know this. If it was a secret relationship Spock would of had no reason to not put Uhuru on the Enterprise, if it was an open relationship then Kirk or Bones would of known something about it. It doesn't add up.

Spock was not a teacher. he was an upperclassman and instructor.
plus the Academy is huge and Kirk and Bones imo had clearly never encountered Spock until the misconduct hearing.
remember Kirk's surprise when he discovered who

the Orion girl's room-mate was

so it's likely cadets can go along time without meeting

L31mr0d

"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence"

Spon Farmer wrote: »

it pretty obvious. also the

the Trekverse timeline is altered in the prologue sequence not with Vulcan's destruction

I know this. But I'm saying how much of an impact did this have on Spocks or Uhurus timeline? It clearly had no effect on Spocks as his childhood and reasons for joining the federation are in keeping with the Spock Primes canon. Regardless, it is a minor point, and my original post on it was more to say that Spock and Uhurus relationship is a result of the broken timeline, which I'm assuming we all agree on. Whether it began in the academy due to the timeline change or after Vulcan was destroyed doesn't change this fact.

NOGMaxpower

"Did you leave the parking brake on?"

deadly movie absolute class

Uhura is the god damn sh1t

Spon Farmer

spooky donkey wrote: »

I have to say i loved it. Went to see it with a bunch of trekie mates and they all loved it also. One of the things that stood out for me apart from the great performances was the use of proper alien aliens. Not just get a human stick some latex on their head and make up a reace name, we have some really good alien creatuers in this movie.

Also any know know why spock crouched down to use the transporter? Did he have some fear of the tech like bones does?

I think he was being cautious because the landscape he was beaming to was unstable because of the attack and it would be easier to catch onto something if already close to the ground

Spon Farmer

L31mr0d wrote: »

I know this. But I'm saying how much of an impact did this have on Spocks or Uhurus timeline? It clearly had no effect on Spocks as his childhood and reasons for joining the federation are in keeping with the Spock Primes canon. Regardless, it is a minor point, and my original post on it was more to say that Spock and Uhurus relationship is a result of the broken timeline, which I'm assuming we all agree on. Whether it began in the academy due to the timeline change or after Vulcan was destroyed doesn't change this fact.

Nero and his men time traveled and occupied a place in space-time they were not meant to be in. they killed Captain Robau, George Kirk and several others who were meant to live longer.
the Kelvin was destroyed and 800 survivors had their lives changed forever. then there is the countless lives that where changed by those 800 peoples destinies altering. that's one big damn ripple in time

chrussell

Did anyone else notice when kirk, sulu and the engineer were doing their space jump, that the engineer was wearing a red jumpsuit and dies straight away??? I thought this a great part of the movie, when i seen him getting into the shuttle in the red I knew he was dead. A throwback to TOS when the extras who wore red uniforms and traditionally die... Nice work JJ

Once again I loved it, and my star trek hating friend that I dragged along loved it too

L31mr0d

"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence"

Spon Farmer wrote: »

that's one big damn ripple in time

Yes. Like I said, I know this already. I'm not talking about this fictional universe and what you are speculating has changed on the timeline due to the events in the prologue, I'm talking about the story that Orci and Kurtzman wrote and how they intended it to be understood.

If I remember from TOS, Uhura made advances towards Spock on a few occasions but he didn't respond to them romantically ever. The turning point in this movie in the relationship was after Spocks father revealed his love for his mother, it is after this that we see him kissing Uhura. Saying they had a physical relationship in the academy is pure speculation, so I'm going on what is actually shown in the movie itself.

Goodshape

"You will always be a child of two worlds"

L31mr0d wrote: »

so I'm going on what is actually shown in the movie itself.

That's the thing -- I think this film showed that they did have a relationship. Otherwise, I'd have to conclude that either Uhura is an awful bitch for taking advantage of Spock at his most vulnerable, or the film simply failed in it's attempt to show the actual origins of this relationship ("oh, you're having a hard time? Let's all of a sudden snuggle up and hold each other and act like we've been intimate for ages!")

I think the

destruction of Vulcan and Spocks conversation with Sarak re: his mother

was a turning point in that it gave Spock 'permission' to bring the romance out into the open.



P.S. What a silly thing to be arguing about

Spon Farmer

Goodshape wrote: »

P.S. What a silly thing to be arguing about

yes, but it's either that or work:D

besides

when she chewed his face in the turbolift it clearly wasn't the first time

spooky donkey

"I like this ship. It's Exciting"

Yes Spon I think you are right but I think the relationship may have been out in the open before that. Why else would spock assigning uhura to the enterprise be seen as favrotism if they were not known to be a bit of an item.

Oh and on the spock crouching perhaps they thought it would make him look cooler.