John D's wrecked

Frank Spencer

John D's in Balbriggan was taken over by a group of indivuals this evening who proceeded to smash windows and throw bottles and other missiles at Gardai. It escalated to the point where the riot squad had to storm the pub to get them out. The pub looked absolutely destroyed. That's briefly what happened I'm sure others will have more details and hopefully pictures.

bellybutton

Were they <snip>?

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Gillo

Heard they were travellers (thought not confirmed), not sure if there was something in particular like a wedding / funeral. The misses got a text from a guy in work telling her.

(to save HB have to give a few beatings with a ban stick, bare in mind the whole issue with posting names or general rumours)

Hauk

That's insane. I hope they arrested loads of them \o/

wobzilla

most of the lads taken away in cuffs were travellers. one or two were locals though. the traveller women just dumped their bloody clothes on vauxhall street, i seen a couple of young ones taking pictures of the clothes with their phones and saying "i'm putting this up on bebo"

thetrickykid

Driving by earlier at 2ish and there was a couple (travellers) having a massive row outside John D's. Yer one was giving him loads, screaming the head off.

I'd love to see the <snip> piccies.

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bellybutton

I'm off to have a look on youtube!!:D

bellybutton

It's on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_WNvNQUYAU

The Hill Billy

It made this morning's papers too.

Indo & Times.

Cant wait to hear pavee Point on this one...

Eoineo

Was heading North through the town last night (7.15pm) and there were about 8 Gardai on the street outside of JD's. A family member tried to travel up Drogheda Street shortly afterwards and found out that they closed the whole road from approx 7.30pm and diverted traffic onto the ring road.

There was a removal ceremony winding up in the church as I passed but they didn't look like they belonged to that group iykwim?

Sizzler

Not sure whats worse, the people commentating on the video or the people in the pub causing trouble.

Little to be doing than standing around having a smoke watching this rubbish :rolleyes:

SuzyS1972

Sizzler wrote: »

Not sure whats worse, the people commentating on the video or the people in the pub causing trouble.

Little to be doing than standing around having a smoke watching this rubbish :rolleyes:

My thoughts exactly - I got one minute into it and turned it off - couldn't listen to them anymore.

meditraitor

Its on the front page of the Star as well..............

Gingy Fly

John D's fault if you ask me for letting them in. No pub in Balbriggan will entertain these passer by people. There was a similar incident in another pub a while back but was difussed before it got out of hand.

Gillo

They can't be refused without good cause, and being a traveller isn't one.

The fact that someone has now trashed the place means they can now be refused for that, but being a traveller isn't a valid region.

Stroke of luck I should have been on the bus comign into Balbriggan at 7:30 luckily I managed to get out of work a bit early.

Africa

Typical. I remember something like this happened in Laytown a few years back and the pub got burned down by the travellers. Really not on making such a mess like this if they are actually being let into somewhere to drink....

Gingy Fly

Gillo wrote: »

They can't be refused without good cause, and being a traveller isn't one.

The fact that someone has now trashed the place means they can now be refused for that, but being a traveller isn't a valid region.

Stroke of luck I should have been on the bus comign into Balbriggan at 7:30 luckily I managed to get out of work a bit early.

Publican reserves the right of admission, period !

The Hill Billy

Gingy Fly wrote: »

Publican reserves the right of admission, period !

A publican cannot refuse to serve someone because they are a traveller, black, jewish, whatever. The publican needs to have a specific reason, eg, previously barred for fighting, bad behaviour, etc.

luap_42

Gingy Fly wrote: »

Publican reserves the right of admission, period !

Yes, but has to apply the right of admission equally to everyone. Cannot use being Pavee to stop anyone, as much as cannot refuse Polish or Nigerian for instance.

However, if someone seems to be drunk OR disorderly OR aggressive then they can be refused entry AND/OR alcohol, but they have to be treated the same as everyone else.

Gingy Fly

luap_42 wrote: »

However, if someone seems to be drunk OR disorderly OR aggressive then they can be refused entry AND/OR alcohol, but they have to be treated the same as everyone else.

Agreed, so if they are drunk coming up to the bar looking more drink they can and most probably were refused in this instance. That is when all hell broke loose I would say.

Heres the Boyo's being put in the Paddy Wagon !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wuBPFzuK7c

Fyr.Fytr

Gingy Fly wrote: »

Publican reserves the right of admission, period !

And we l know what happens then dont we, the oul "Is it because im a traveller", the oul race card is played, court case to follow and possible loss of licence, talk about rock and a hard place

blastman

Eoineo wrote: »

There was a removal ceremony winding up in the church as I passed but they didn't look like they belonged to that group iykwim?

I was at that removal and I can safely say that this was not the crowd involved in whatever happened in JD's.

It's a shame because it used to be a good pub, has been a ruin for years now though. Something like this has been waiting to happen there for a while, there was a similar incident recently (within the last year, I'm fairly sure) where there were lots of gardaí called, discarded clothes and blood being cleaned off the walls. Traditions are all good, though, aren't they?

P_1

I doubt those people came from a removal. If I recall correctly, the last time there was a removal or funeral involving our nomadic cousins all the pubs in Balbriggan and the surounding areas were advised by the Gardaí to lock their doors and only allow regulars in.

Moonbeam

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/garda-injured-after-riot-squad-called-to-traveller-pub-battle-1728497.html

luap_42

pithater1 wrote: »

I doubt those people came from a removal. If I recall correctly, the last time there was a removal or funeral involving our nomadic cousins all the pubs in Balbriggan and the surounding areas were advised by the Gardaí to lock their doors and only allow regulars in.

Put it in perspective. It is the minority that give the rest a bad name, fit the stereotype, attract negative press. Problems occur at occassions with multiple large extended families, higher chance of troublesome minority element, not helped by drink and family disputes.

There are plenty of travellers who are far better behaved than a large minority of young people in this country out on a Saturday night. What percentage of public order offences are travellers involved in? I'm guessing that it is less per head than non-travellers.

You don't see the vast majority because they are just getting on with their lives.

P_1

The problem is that the more incidents such as this that happen, the negative stereotype gets reenforced.

Frank Spencer

10 due in court over siege at Balbriggan pub

Ten people are due to appear before Dublin District Court this afternoon in connection with a siege at a pub in north Co Dublin yesterday.

The incident happened at John D's bar in The Square, Balbriggan, when a number of customers took over the pub, forcing staff and other patrons to flee.

At one stage, Gardai closed the centre of the town after becoming involved in a stand-off with those inside the building.

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/courts/10-due-in-court-over-siege-at-balbriggan-pub-1729042.html

The Hill Billy

This report in the Herald says that there were over 100 Gardaí there. I bet the bakery did a roaring trade on donuts.

Retr0gamer

100? There was 25 at the very most. Typical sensationalism.

wobzilla

Hill Billy wrote: »

This report in the Herald says that there were over 100 Gardaí there. I bet the bakery did a roaring trade on donuts.

it's okay for him to say all gardaí like doughnuts, but i bet i'll get in trouble for saying all travellers are filthy inbred scumbags

dsmythy

luap_42 wrote: »

Put it in perspective. It is the minority that give the rest a bad name, fit the stereotype, attract negative press. Problems occur at occassions with multiple large extended families, higher chance of troublesome minority element, not helped by drink and family disputes.

There are plenty of travellers who are far better behaved than a large minority of young people in this country out on a Saturday night. What percentage of public order offences are travellers involved in? I'm guessing that it is less per head than non-travellers.

You don't see the vast majority because they are just getting on with their lives.

I beg to differ on the per head counts when it comes to public order offences. I doubt they even keep such statistics anyway.

mike65

Just watched their youtube moment, hard to know who I'd like to live by less - the travellers or the locals.

luap_42

dsmythy wrote: »

I beg to differ on the per head counts when it comes to public order offences. I doubt they even keep such statistics anyway.

Well, unless you live in Tuam or Rathkeale. Like I said just guessing. I see far more non-travellers up to no good every weekend and very little travellers, but maybe I'm just lucky.

Slunk

Says in The star that one of the travellers actually rang the paper and said "We are doing this out of spite" and the best bit. We will be barred but we will just say this is because we are travellers. They no they can get away with using this line and use it to their advantage. Pub would have been better off closing for the day. Cheaper to lose a days takings than the place wrecked.

Why is it I can be refused for no reason and have to live with it, but these can claim there travllers and take them to court. ****in scum :mad:

pithater1

pithater1 wrote: »

The problem is that the more incidents such as this that happen, the negative stereotype gets reenforced.

In my opinion, its not stereotyping that fecks rubbish, washing machines fridges and other debris around areas.:rolleyes:

-roisin-

in response to what was said about the group in the church..
i was there in the church and we certaintly werent involved, we were coming back from a funeral mass..

-roisin-

Slunk wrote: »

Says in The star that one of the travellers actually rang the paper and said "We are doing this out of spite" and the best bit. We will be barred but we will just say this is because we are travellers. They no they can get away with using this line and use it to their advantage. Pub would have been better off closing for the day. Cheaper to lose a days takings than the place wrecked.

Why is it I can be refused for no reason and have to live with it, but these can claim there travllers and take them to court. ****in scum :mad:

do you have a link to the article in the star? i tried looking for it, but failed to find it..

greatgoal

the most worrying part of all this is that they all live locally,either Balbriggan or Skerries,and the boys in the video who were roaring abuse at them should be careful as there were more travellers mixed through the crowd watching the whole sorry mess.

The Hill Billy

wobzilla wrote:

but i bet i'll get in trouble for saying all travellers are filthy inbred scumbags

You should have put money on that bet - You're banned for a month for that. HB

P_1

According to today's Times John D's may lose its licence over this. Now this may be a slightly controversial opinion but I think it would be a bad thing for the other pubs in the town if that were to happen. John D's seems to attract a certain type of crowd and I would not like to have to drink alongside that particular crowd in other pubs in the town.

Here's the Times article.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0506/1224245994291.html

Africa

yeah, and its a shame. The owner (William?) if it is still him is a bang on chap.

Doest attract a certain type and always has too :P

Probably head to O sheas down the harbour now.

meditraitor

Africa wrote: »

yeah, and its a shame. The owner (William?) if it is still him is a bang on chap.

Doest attract a certain type and always has too :P

Probably head to O sheas down the harbour now.

It said in the Star yesterday that Gary Browne was the License Holder? Strange

kcools

meditraitor wrote: »

It said in the Star yesterday that Gary Browne was the License Holder? Strange

AFAIK Gary is the licence holder of De Brun's.

P_1

meditraitor wrote: »

It said in the Star yesterday that Gary Browne was the License Holder? Strange

Didn't Gary Browne buy up a load of the buildings around that area of town a few years back with a view to developing the area around the old Mill Pond around Vauxhall Street?

Although I'd take anything the Star publish with a very large lump of salt.

meditraitor

kcools wrote: »

AFAIK Gary is the licence holder of De Brun's.

true, thats why I found it strange..... As the previous poster said it was the Star, so....

sgarvan

kcools wrote: »

meditraitor wrote:

It said in the Star yesterday that Gary Browne was the License Holder? Strange

AFAIK Gary is the licence holder of De Brun's.

I heard the other day that Gary Browne is owner of the pub but leases out the premises.

Today's Independent Article
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/pub-boarded-up-as-nine-appear-in-court-over-clashes-1729636.html

mimosacriminal

sgarvan, you are 100% correct.
Wonder where the john d's clientele will move to now and wreck. Is it the hotel, de bruin or O'Sheas.
No matter what a **** hole john d's was at least it catered for a certain element that kept them out of other establishments.

Bad luck for the existing owner , heard his pub in grangebellew burnt down 3 weeks ago!!;)

blastman

Gary Brown owns it, your man Will leased it from him (he used to work in DeBrun's for Brown). What he was trying to do with it I don't know, but the experiment has failed (again).

Like I said, John D's used to be one of the best pubs in the town years ago, however it has been a demonstration of how easy it is to ruin a perfectly good pub and how hard it is to turn it around again. Ironically the removal that was on at the same time was full of people who used to drink there before it became a sh!t-hole. Not one of them, myself included, would have dreamt of standing inside the place in recent years, I'd imagine.

P_1

mimosacriminal wrote: »

sgarvan, you are 100% correct.
Wonder where the john d's clientele will move to now and wreck. Is it the hotel, de bruin or O'Sheas.
No matter what a **** hole john d's was at least it catered for a certain element that kept them out of other establishments.

Bad luck for the existing owner , heard his pub in grangebellew burnt down 3 weeks ago!!;)

I'd hope they fcek off down to De Bruin, that place is well on its way down to the level of John D's.

greatgoal

A lot of John Ds clientele are already barred from most other establishments in the town.