O'Connell could be in citing trouble too

Profiler

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z52/robharries13/POC.jpg

I was sent this by a Munster fan.

Of course a single photo proves nothing and POC's hand my have slipped up to the eye area completely accidentally.

However from a Lions perspective let's hope there is nothing to this.

DM_7

Profiler wrote: »

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z52/robharries13/POC.jpg

I was sent this by a Munster fan.

Of course a single photo proves nothing and POC's hand my have slipped up to the eye area completely accidentally.

However from a Lions perspective let's hope there is nothing to this.

Gouging and Pulling hair. Nice

Serenity Now!

Profiler wrote: »

Of course a single photo proves nothing

Thats all you needed to say really.

thomond2006

Oh great, this is the last thing we need.

KELTICKNIGHTT

the lenister lads where clean playing today,sure they where

Profiler

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

the lenister lads where clean playing today,sure they where

Do two wrongs make a right?

stephen_n

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

the lenister lads where clean playing today,sure they where

And that would make it alright how?


Don't think you can take much from a single still. For a start it doesn't look like his hands are on the eyes and we are seeing it out of context of play. Really hope it is not something he could be cited for !

KELTICKNIGHTT

Profiler wrote: »

Do two wrongs make a right?

was plenty today on both sides,officials will check im sure

Profiler

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

was plenty today on both sides,officials will check im sure

So that means any player in either team is justified in anything they do off the ball or outside the rules of the game

themont85

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

was plenty today on both sides,officials will check im sure

Not to come accross as a 'my team can do no wrong', but Leinster didn't gouge today. Quinlan should be banned for a period(maybe not the Lions tour), maybe POC if found guilty. I might add, that we did have the Sexton incident a couple weeks back, we are no angels. Gouging should be heavily punished though, its a dreadful thing to do on a pitch.

KELTICKNIGHTT

Profiler wrote: »

So that means any player in either team is justified in anything they do off the ball or outside the rules of the game

did you read the part where i said the officals will check:D

KELTICKNIGHTT

themont85 wrote: »

Not to come accross as a 'my team can do no wrong', but Leinster didn't gouge today. Quinlan should be banned for a period(maybe not the Lions tour), maybe POC if found guilty. I might add, that we did have the Sexton incident a couple weeks back, we are no angels. Gouging should be heavily punished though, its a dreadful thing to do on a pitch.

check the whole game play and you might see more than that:D

Podge_irl

O'Connell is not a dirty player. A still photo can give the entire wrong impression. I saw the game and certainly didn't notice him doing anything untoward. If he did I would be happy to say it was completely accidental.

puntosporting

Watch it back in motion it aint gouging its O'Connell reaching and pulling Horgan back dont see any problem with it just the usual handbags at dawn incident!

Profiler

More of it... sticking his finger in another players mouth... not very clever, he has no idea where shaggy has been

Size=everything

I am quite disappointed to see players like Quinlan and O'Connell act like such thugs they really let down Munster's reputation today. Quinlan especially. Even O'Gara shoving Sexton into the two young ballboys wasn't on if you watch the match again one of the young lads gets shouldered in the head by Sexton.

EdgarAllenPoo

Profiler wrote: »

More of it... sticking his finger in another players mouth... not very clever, he has no idea where shaggy has been

You'd think he could forget about a fetish for 80 minutes, maybe not.

Mandible claw in a rugby match, nice. Could Shaggy maybe get cited for biting POC's fingers?;)

I do recall an incident where a leinster player got penalized for(I think) a late charge on Mafi and in the replay it also shows BOD trying to take his head off.

Judgement Day

In the good old days (?), before the professional era, this sort of thing used to be call 'jiggery-pokery' or 'argy-bargy' ! Get over it, its called rugby union, a hard physical contact sport which sometimes causes those involved to have a rush of blood to the head.

mehfesto2

Judgement Day wrote: »

In the good old days (?), before the professional era, this sort of thing used to be call 'jiggery-pokery' or 'argy-bargy' ! Get over it, its called rugby union, a hard physical contact sport which sometimes causes those involved to have a rush of blood to the head.

Yeah, and sure if someone loses the sight in their eye at least they knew they were 'men' involved in 'argy-bargy' and they lost their sight to a good cause.
Yeah. Good man, there.

dan719

mehfesto2 wrote: »

Yeah, and sure if someone loses the sight in their eye at least they knew they were 'men' involved in 'argy-bargy' and they lost their sight to a good cause.
Yeah. Good man, there.

And if someone has their neck broken because they were exposed to a late tackle, well that's okay is it?:rolleyes:

toomevara

The game is over. Leinster won by producing a fabulous performance against all the odds in a massively physical game which was, despite the ridiculous hype and the glittering prize at stake, played for the vast majority of the time within both the spirit and letter of the law....this is rugby, not netball or god forbid, chavball. It is physical and abrasive (who knew) and tough, tempers get frayed and yes, inevitably, there was a bit of jiggery-pokery...

Get over it, move on...pursuing this kind of nonsense is counter-productive for Leinster's attempt on the title, Irish rugby in general and the Lions campaign.

Anyone who's played the game, clearly a minority on this thread...realises this kind of niggle happens when passionate teams clash...it happens on the field and stays there (except in severe cases, which is why we have citing panels) and that's as it should be. We should all take our lead from that great unsung Irish/Leinster hero and all-round general rugby gentleman, Leo Cullen, who's refusing to even entertain discussions on the subject...

More power to him and his brilliant team, and lets have less of this pointless, pedantic, navel gazing, feck-ballery...

leeroybrown

I can't believe that this form has lowered itself to the level of bickering about minor 'handbag' offences during a game. If someone gouges, stamps or does something reckless then they'll get citied but the vast majority of what went on in the game isn't even worth talking about. The sooner this game is forgotten and things return to normal here the better.

NickNolte

The photo suggests absolutely nothing.

Wow! Shock, horror! His hands were photographed close to the guys head in the heat of battle! Boil up a large pot of coffee for the independent citing commissioner! It could be a long night of photo analysis!

As toomevara has already said... shut the hell up.

Quinlan... now that's another matter and did look pretty damn bad.

toomevara

NickNolte wrote: »

As toomevara has already said... shut the hell up.

I would never be so crude Nick.;). A little more light and a little less heat is all thats required...personally as another contributor has already stated, the sooner this hype ends and the leprechauns/band wagoneers head away 'til the next bleedin' interpro the better...

NickNolte

toomevara wrote: »

I would never be so crude Nick.;).

From now on, I'll be being crude for both of us, honey.

toomevara wrote: »

the sooner this hype ends and the leprechauns/band wagoneers head away 'til the next bleedin' interpro the better...

+1,000,000

As a more relevant footnote to this pointless thread - I think what Quinlan did to Cullen yesterday was fairly disgraceful but I'd hate to see him miss the Lions. That's looking quite possible. Does anyone know if and when the citing committee are going to announce a hearing?

Royal Seahawk

Paul O'Connell is and always will be a knacker.










Plain and simple.

KELTICKNIGHTT

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

Paul O'Connell is and always will be a knac








Plain and simple.

get over it
plain and simple

simple:D

up them Schteps

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

Paul O'Connell is and always will be a knacker.

Plain and simple.

What the hell are you on about? I presume your taking the piss!

toomevara

up them Schteps wrote: »

What the hell are you on about? I presume your taking the piss!

Don't rise to it. Its trolling, just report the post

RuggieBear

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

Paul O'Connell is and always will be a knacker.










Plain and simple.

banned.











Plain and simple.

Sundy

NickNolte wrote: »

The photo suggests absolutely nothing.

Wow! Shock, horror! His hands were photographed close to the guys head in the heat of battle! Boil up a large pot of coffee for the independent citing commissioner! It could be a long night of photo analysis!

As toomevara has already said... shut the hell up.

Quinlan... now that's another matter and did look pretty damn bad.

Im just watching a recording of the game now and this actually looks worse in real time than the picture. Its still very hard to see if he made contact with horgans eyes/face from the video but none the less o'connell grabs Horgans hair and the other hand seems to go to the front of his face. There is certainly no where else O'Connell could have been intending to put his hands. Whether or not there was contact or intent is hard to tell from the TV angles.

hello_there_jim

the recession has obviously hit horan hard, cant afford to buy a razor!

Podge_irl

hello_there_jim wrote: »

the recession has obviously hit horan hard, cant afford to buy a razor!

Scientific fact no.1 - beards make props better.

anonymous_joe

Podge_irl wrote: »

Scientific fact no.1 - beards make props better.

Castrogiovanni is better than Hayes or Horan... :P

amacachi

Sundy wrote: »

Im just watching a recording of the game now and this actually looks worse in real time than the picture. Its still very hard to see if he made contact with horgans eyes/face from the video but none the less o'connell grabs Horgans hair and the other hand seems to go to the front of his face. There is certainly no where else O'Connell could have been intending to put his hands. Whether or not there was contact or intent is hard to tell from the TV angles.

Looked fairly obvious to me that he was going for the eyes. TBH it wasn't much better than Quinlan's except I don't think POC got as good a grip.

Has the deadline passed for citings?

Tomtom364

amacachi wrote: »

Looked fairly obvious to me that he was going for the eyes. TBH it wasn't much better than Quinlan's except I don't think POC got as good a grip.

Has the deadline passed for citings?

lads its rugby. players grab each other by the head in mauls all the time!!!

damselnat

amacachi wrote: »

Has the deadline passed for citings?

Think it's today

Tomtom364

damselnat wrote: »

Think it's today

from the erc website.

b) Clubs will not have the power to cite a player but may refer incidents to the Citing Commissioner within 24 hours of the conclusion of the match.
c) The Citing Commissioner will have 50 hours from the start of the game to make a citing and the determination of the Citing Commissioner will be final and binding. In exceptional circumstances this deadline maybe extended.

so say half 5 kickoff. that means half 9 tonight is the deadline.

Jackz

Tomtom364 wrote: »

from the erc website.



so say half 5 kickoff. that means half 9 tonight is the deadline.

It was reported somewhere that this will be extended due to today being a bank holiday.

Stev_o

Tomorrows the deadline according to the BBC

The independent disciplinary officer, John Byett from England, has until 1930 BST on Tuesday to study the tape and decide whether the incident was worthy of a citing.

danthefan

Stev_o wrote: »

Tomorrows the deadline according to the BBC

The independent disciplinary officer, John Byett from England, has until 1930 BST on Tuesday to study the tape and decide whether the incident was worthy of a citing.

I heard on the radio earlier it was 1930 BST tonight.

Stev_o

danthefan wrote: »

I heard on the radio earlier it was 1930 BST tonight.

As someone said with the bank holiday it could be moved to tomorrow which would make sense.

Tomtom364

danthefan wrote: »

I heard on the radio earlier it was 1930 BST tonight.

Ugh damn maths. My mistake, it would be half 7 tonight. Havnt heard anything about an extension. Either way. It wont be announced till tomorrow or wednesday

Peter B

I'm not too sure what to make of that photo. I would have to see video evidence of the incident to think something bad actually happened. I highly doubt Paul O'Connell would have grabbed Horgan by the hair and poked him in the eye. Way too much chance for citing and I don't believe O'Connell it that type of player. There are thousands of photos taken during the game, it is not unusual for the odd photo to come off looking slighyly dodgy.

Paulw

Well, according to the ERC press release, Quinlan has now been cited.

No word of O'Connell being cited.

Stev_o

Paulw wrote: »

Well, according to the ERC press release, Quinlan has now been cited.

No word of O'Connell being cited.

Im not surprised, still photo's are ****e evidence to prove anything especially the quality of the ones available.

Profiler

Paulw wrote: »

Well, according to the ERC press release, Quinlan has now been cited.

No word of O'Connell being cited.

That's good news about O'Connell but not so good, if unsurprising, about Quinlan

pajero2005

Profiler wrote: »

That's good news about O'Connell but not so good, if unsurprising, about Quinlan

I'm a big Quinlan fan, but you'd have to say he was bang out of order. His face when talking to Cullen after the game says it all.

amacachi

Stev_o wrote: »

Im not surprised, still photo's are ****e evidence to prove anything especially the quality of the ones available.

There were a couple of angles shown on TV of it. Unfortunately no-one seems to have uploaded it to youtube.

Profiler

pajero2005 wrote: »

I'm a big Quinlan fan, but you'd have to say he was bang out of order. His face when talking to Cullen after the game says it all.

It would be a real shame if he misses what would be the pinnacle of his test career for this because I think he stands a great chance of playing in at least one of the tests.

rom

Podge_irl wrote: »

O'Connell is not a dirty player. A still photo can give the entire wrong impression. I saw the game and certainly didn't notice him doing anything untoward. If he did I would be happy to say it was completely accidental.

I bet there is another 10 photo's like this that could be taken out of context from the game. Would like to see a video before passing judgement