Interesting statistics (LCE)

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I think people will find the following two links very interesting:

• Percentage of A's, B's, C's, etc for each subject.
• Points stats

K4t

History and English are marked too hard imo. If I ever do find out who marked my History mock there will be more than words exchanged.

Fad

The 1 person who did OL Hebrew Studies in 2008, failed!

pathway33

Fad wrote: »

The 1 person who did OL Hebrew Studies in 2008, failed!

guess you could say he brew his chance

Fad

pathway33 wrote: »

guess you could say he brew his chance

Why isnt there a NO THANKS/CRINGE button

pathway33

Fad wrote: »

Why isnt there a NO THANKS/CRINGE button

PurpleFistMixer

The percentage of As, etc. is interesting, but well, as with any statistics you sort of need the whole story before you can deduce much from it. Going "lots of people get A1s in Applied Maths, therefore it is easy" is just plain wrong and I've heard similar things said too often.

That said, the percentage of A1s in Art made me feel better about my A2.

JSK 252

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

That said, the percentage of A1s in Art made me feel better about my A2.

An A2 is not good?

OneArt

Forty percent of all statistics are wrong.

pathway33

OneArt wrote: »

Forty percent of all statistics are wrong.

and what about the other half?

xOxSinéadxOx

feck all people get As in art. is it because so many people who are **** at it do it for the doss? well basing it on my class, that's about half the people

ciano1

Jaysus

Some high A1 rate in HL Physics :O

Gear9992

I'm starting 5th year next year and i decided to do Japanese!!

only 100 people did it last year, and 30% got an A1!! wow

I heard it was easy but it can't be that easy can it?

Busi_Girl08

Woah!!
I was not expecting the A1 stat for Accounting to be that high in 2008.

Considering how bad the paper was:eek:

daithiolabhrai

pathway33 wrote: »

guess you could say he brew his chance

haha love it!

daithiolabhrai

Gear9992 wrote: »

I'm starting 5th year next year and i decided to do Japanese!!

only 100 people did it last year, and 30% got an A1!! wow

I heard it was easy but it can't be that easy can it?

my friend is doing it this year, and she says its very easy! but i'd say a lot of those people who got A1s are either Japanese or Chinese

SligoBrewer

I think the SEC are taking the piss with Japanese. While a lot of people who take the exam are indeed Japanese, it still has an over apportionment of A1's in comparison to other far flung or 'minnow' (in comparsion to those studying at LC level) languages.

This is favouritism to those who can either afford to do Japanese outside of school, or be lucky enough to be in schools who feel they can offer a Japanese program. The perception that 'Ah yeah, I'll take up Japanese in 5th year cause it's an easy A1' has been proven correct. To get an A1 in Japanese should be just as difficult to obtain as an A1 in German/French/Spanish.

Do you think anyone would go 'I was thinking of taking up German in 5th year, heard of my mate it's an easy A'? Would they ****.

Fad

SligoBrewer wrote: »

I think the SEC are taking the piss with Japanese. While a lot of people who take the exam are indeed Japanese, it still has an over apportionment of A1's in comparison to other far flung or 'minnow' (in comparsion to those studying at LC level) languages.

This is favouritism to those who can either afford to do Japanese outside of school, or be lucky enough to be in schools who feel they can offer a Japanese program. The perception that 'Ah yeah, I'll take up Japanese in 5th year cause it's an easy A1' has been proven correct. To get an A1 in Japanese should be just as difficult to obtain as an A1 in German/French/Spanish.

Do you think anyone would go 'I was thinking of taking up German in 5th year, heard of my mate it's an easy A'? Would they ****.

Japanese classes are free.

I see modern European languages as easy A's in comparison to Irish, am I outraged? No.

There is no JC Japanese, it is only meant to be up the level of JC French or something like that.

What about the A rate in other Eastern European languages? Seeing as only people from those countries take the exams. I'd say very few native speakers take the Japanese LC exam.

lou91

Fad wrote: »

Japanese classes are free.

I see modern European languages as easy A's in comparison to Irish, am I outraged? No.

There is no JC Japanese, it is only meant to be up the level of JC French or something like that.

What about the A rate in other Eastern European languages? Seeing as only people from those countries take the exams. I'd say very few native speakers take the Japanese LC exam.

I'm one of the people who saw those stats and jumped on the bandwagon. We'll see how it works out on August 12th...
This year though the numbers doing it will go up quite significantly I think, and the A rate will drop.
A lot of people doing it speak Japanese or another Asian language like Korean, and pick it up in 6th year.

In other news, I have to be in the top 2.9% of the country to get my course.
Oh dear.

SligoBrewer

Fad wrote: »

Japanese classes are free.

I see modern European languages as easy A's in comparison to Irish, am I outraged? No.

Does your ability to study Irish or European languages depend on what school you go to? No.

Fad wrote: »

There is no JC Japanese, it is only meant to be up the level of JC French or something like that.

Dear CAO, As I hear that as LC Japanese is as easy as JC French, I would like to point out the fact that I got 7 a's in my JC. Can you fax me on mai 600 points plz?

Fad wrote: »

What about the A rate in other Eastern European languages? Seeing as only people from those countries take the exams. I'd say very few native speakers take the Japanese LC exam.

That's exactly my point. How are so many people getting 100 points for JC work in comparison to all other languages.

Fad

It doesnt depend on what school you go to, its free, for anyone who cares to travel to the centres where they are taught...........

Just because its at JC standard doesnt make it "Easy", you still have to learn a language in 2 years, including 3 alphabets and you have to be able to speak it.

The standard is JC level, but the doesnt mean its as Easy as a JC subject.

SligoBrewer

Fad wrote: »

The standard is JC level, but the doesnt mean its as Easy as a JC subject.

If a subject's standard is JC level, how is it more difficult than a JC Paper?

Is there a list of these centres somewhere?

Also btw, just had a look at the 2008 paper here.

Right Fad, have a look through it.
Bear in mind that this is a paper worth 100 points.
Now look at question 2d. Ridiculous.

Fad

SligoBrewer wrote: »

If a subject's standard is JC level, how is it more difficult than a JC Paper?

You learn as much as you would as if you learnt it at JC level, but bearing in mind you're doing a course in two years instead of three, and for the vast majority of people doing one 3 hour class a week, I would say it is more difficult. The paper may not be to an insane standard, but you still have to put quite alot of work in.

(Loving how you've dropped your point about what school people go to....)

SligoBrewer

Fad wrote: »

(Loving how you've dropped your point about what school people go to....)

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Fad

SligoBrewer wrote: »

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Yes, after I responded to it though :pac:

And then subsequently ignored the rest of my response.

You would have to ensure some sort of knowledge about Japanese Culture.

SligoBrewer

Lets compare Arabic with Japanese. Two Foreign Languages. New Alphabets in both, and by my reckoning a higher proportion of native speakers taking the LC in Arabic but with similar numbers of students actually taking the exam

OK. So an A1 rate similar in both should be applicable yeah?

Consistently, there have been over twice as many A's given to Japanese as to Arabic, but the A1 rate has been eclipsed by over 10 times in the last two years.

Fair papers? :rolleyes:

SligoBrewer

Fad wrote: »

Yes, after I responded to it though :pac:

And then subsequently ignored the rest of my response.

Because it was written while you were writing your response.

We do some amount of French culture in our French class, when has it been examined in the LC? I could answer that question if you replaced Japan with France. As could you with whatever European language you study.

cautioner

I don't see why any of us not doing Japanese would be in any position to comment on the difficulty of the paper... I'm sure the SEC would make sure it's a fair exam.

SligoBrewer

cautioner wrote: »

I don't see why any of us not doing Japanese would be in any position to comment on the difficulty of the paper... I'm sure the SEC would make sure it's a fair exam.

I did Japanese in TY for the year. Kinda preparation for the centre after the year had ended.

Fad

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Lets compare Arabic with Japanese. Two Foreign Languages. New Alphabets in both, and by my reckoning a higher proportion of native speakers taking the LC in Arabic but with similar numbers of students actually taking the exam

OK. So an A1 rate similar in both should be applicable yeah?

Consistently, there have been over twice as many A's given to Japanese as to Arabic, but the A1 rate has been eclipsed by over 10 times in the last two years.

Fair papers? :rolleyes:

Because Japanese is intended as an Ab Initio subject, no one is meant to have studied it prior to LC level.

Arabic is for native speakers(Pretty much only), so they can have something to take the place of Irish, why the SEC have that in place? I do not know.

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Because it was written while you were writing your response.

The words you are searching for are, "You win Fad" .

SligoBrewer

Fad wrote: »

The words you are searching for are, "You win Fad" .

:rolleyes:

Your points which you said i missed out on are answered up there. In the thread.

Fad wrote: »

Because Japanese is intended as an Ab Initio subject, no one is meant to have studied it prior to LC level.

Arabic is for native speakers(Pretty much only), so they can have something to take the place of Irish, why the SEC have that in place? I do not know.

Why shouldn't Arabic be on the JC timetable so?
Does that not make Arabic an Ab Initio subject?

Fad

SligoBrewer wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Your points which you said i missed out on are answered up there. In the thread.



Why shouldn't Arabic be on the JC timetable so?
Does that not make Arabic an Ab Initio subject?

If I manage to respond to your post before you edited it (As in looking at the time I posted and looking at the time you edited the post) I think you'll I win :pac:

I'm not saying it shouldnt, I have no idea why it isnt.

And no not really, the Arabic LC exam clearly expects some serious prior knowledge, Muslim guy in my year, lived in Saudi Arabia says the exam would be too hard for him to go near.

SligoBrewer

Fad wrote: »

I think you'll I win :pac:

Anxiousness to exert superiority fail.

SligoBrewer

Fad wrote: »

I'm not saying it shouldnt, I have no idea why it isnt.

And no not really, the Arabic LC exam clearly expects some serious prior knowledge, Muslim guy in my year, lived in Saudi Arabia says the exam would be too hard for him to go near.

Which is exactly what I've trying to argue with you about!
Japanese = Easy 100 points in comparison to other ''real world actually hard to get 100 points'' subjects.

Duffman'05

Gear9992 wrote: »

I'm starting 5th year next year and i decided to do Japanese!!

only 100 people did it last year, and 30% got an A1!! wow

I heard it was easy but it can't be that easy can it?

They do Japanese in my school - though I was tempted to take it based on that figure. But as people who do it pointed out to me - the reason the amount of A1s is so high is because the vast majority (I won't make up a stat, but it's an overwhelming majority) are actually Japanese.

According to the Irish students who dk it in my year, a good few it has to be said, it's a lot harder for non-native speakers than it's made out to be:o

Fad

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Which is exactly what I've trying to argue with you about!
Japanese = Easy 100 points in comparison to other ''real world actually hard to get 100 points'' subjects.

In comparison to a subject which shouldnt exist in the first place(As in no, I dont think Arabic should be examined, but that's for another day)

The SEC are clearly marking things easily for the first couple of years to encourage people to do the damn subject. They do it with everything, Japanese clearly requires you to have some sort of dedication (As in actually getting up at 9 on a Saturday morning to go to the classes), and obviously you're probably going to do a fair bit of work for it. I'd say the combination of those 2 is what's keeping the A1 percentage so high.

SligoBrewer

Fad wrote: »

In comparison to a subject which shouldnt exist in the first place(As in no, I dont think Arabic should be examined, but that's for another day)
.

Easy there tiger. What makes Japanese a valid subject and not Arabic?
Easy points?

Fad wrote: »

The SEC are clearly marking things easily.

WIN

Fad wrote: »

The SEC are clearly marking things easily for the first couple of years to encourage people to do the damn subject. They do it with everything,

The physics/bio/chem a rate is hardly abnormal yet they Clearly want people taking science subjects.

SligoBrewer

Have you found a list of centres yet btw?

Fad

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Easy there tiger. What makes Japanese a valid subject and not Arabic?
Easy points?


WIN


The physics/bio/chem a rate is hardly abnormal yet they Clearly want people taking science subjects.

A variety of things, mainly I dont feel that native languages of other countries should really be be examined here. This is is also tied in with me thinking that Gaelscoils should have a different Irish exam. And a variety of other language issues.

Easy marking to promote its uptake, it still a new subject. They mark Religion quite easily too, new JC science syllabus when it came out was marked easily and when I did the last year of the old one it was marked really harshly. Promoting the subject isnt exactly saying its a walk in the park, you clearly have to work at it, and obviously they do.

If universities felt that the Japanese exam situation was ridiculous, they wouldnt accept it for points or they would have said something.

Edit: No, and I dont remember saying id get one :pac:

Fad

But because I'm extra nice, I "Found out" two of the centres.

1.St.Michael's College. My "Delightful" school, but nothing to do with the school itself, run by other people on a Saturday morning. 3 people in my year are doing it.

2. DCU run classes appartently.

I'd imagine UL have something, but I'm not sure.

SligoBrewer

Fad wrote: »

A variety of things, mainly I dont feel that native languages of other countries should really be be examined here.

So then French, German Spanish etc all go out the door! Nice!:cool:
You've deadly reasoning!

Fad wrote: »

Easy marking to promote its uptake, it still a new subject. They mark Religion quite easily too, new JC science syllabus when it came out was marked easily and when I did the last year of the old one it was marked really harsh.

Do you have the stats to back it up?
Cause I do here.

New subject marked harder than old one shocker!

Revised Syllabus at an A rate of 10.1%
The old 1989 one..[/drumroll] 12.8%

Fad wrote: »

If universities felt that the Japanese exam situation was ridiculous, they wouldnt accept it for points or they would have said something.

Or maybe they have bigger fish to fry and don't care about an exam which so few students sit.

Fad wrote: »

Edit: No, and I dont remember saying id get one :pac:

I asked you for one earlier. To be found. To prove that within reason, the most of the students of the country have the ability to avail of an exam which is statistically easy. These ''free centres'' are set up to promote a language whose promotion is questionable as can certainly be seen as a luxury in our education system which is suffering more cuts that a piece of meat on a butchers chopping board. Promotion of the language by free lessons to a select few who are in the know and easy exams and marking schemes to accommodate these centres is preposterous. Hence, why I feel like I'm justifed in saying that the SEC are taking the piss with Japanese.

SligoBrewer

Fad wrote: »

But because I'm extra nice, I "Found out" two of the centres.

1.St.Michael's College. My "Delightful" school, but nothing to do with the school itself, run by other people on a Saturday morning. 3 people in my year are doing it.

2. DCU run classes appartently.

I'd imagine UL have something, but I'm not sure.

And I know the centre in Sligo. Now find one in Belmullet or ... I dunno Killarney to prove that it's available to everyone who wished to study Japanese.

EDIT: Since I like proving stuff I think and say with facts and not assumptions (Like your one RE the Science Course), Here's the list.

Fad

SligoBrewer wrote: »

So then French, German Spanish etc all go out the door! Nice!:cool:
You've deadly reasoning!



Or maybe they have bigger fish to fry and don't care about an exam which so few students sit.



I asked you for one earlier. To be found. To prove that within reason, the most of the students of the country have the ability to avail of an exam which is statistically easy. These ''free centres'' are set up to promote a language whose promotion is questionable as can certainly be seen as a luxury in our education system which is suffering more cuts that a piece of meat on a butchers chopping board. Promotion of the language by free lessons to a select few who are in the know and easy exams and marking schemes to accommodate these centres is preposterous. Hence, why I feel like I'm justifed in saying that the SEC are taking the piss with Japanese.

I'd have no problem with Modern European Languages being thrown out the door, but I feel you now exactly what I was implying.

I'd imagine Unis do want to know what calibre of students they are letting in.
They do speak out when things are going wrong (That's why we have a comparative section in English now)

I might take this chance to remind you that this is the internet, and you can find your list yourself, should it particularly satisfy you. I'm not attempting to prove that every student in the country has access to lessons, as put simply that wouldnt be true. Do city students have access to farms required for Agricultural Science? No, not really, so that somewhat prevents them from do that subject, which is by all accounts piss easy. Do all students have access to Construction Studies? No, that also looks piss easy. Engineering? No. Technology? No. Agricultural Economics? No. Latin? No. They all look piss easy (The statistics may not back them up, but if you had to go out of your way to do them, the A1 rate would obviously be higher). Any principal who know what theyre at would promote it, stop with this bollocks about being in the know.

SligoBrewer

Fad wrote: »

I might take this chance to remind you that this is the internet, and you can find your list yourself, should it particularly satisfy you.

I did, and was proven correct in my assumptions.

Fad wrote: »

(The statistics may not back them up)

Your arguments holds a lot of value right now. Statistics are there for jokes yes?

Fad wrote: »

but if you had to go out of your way to do them, the A1 rate would obviously be higher).

If you go out of your way to say ...study, I think you'd find the chances of getting an A1 grade would be higher as well.

Fad wrote: »

Any principal who know what theyre at would promote it, stop with this bollocks about being in the know.

Promote it with what? Any student who doesn't go to a fee-paying school (which you said you did earlier on) would realise that school budgets are stretched tighter than a sumo wrestler's mawashi. Schools don't have money to promote Japanese. Those who have the money for such trivial novelties (which due another mathematical method called probability will be fee paying schools), will employ the teachers, and so the elitist capitalist Irish system of education continues on its circle of destruction for those who aren't "in the know";)

Fad

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Promote it with what? Any student who doesn't go to a fee-paying school (which you said you did earlier on) would realise that school budgets are stretched tighter than a sumo wrestler's mawashi. Schools don't have money to promote Japanese. Those who have the money for such trivial novelties (which due another mathematical method called probability will be fee paying schools), will employ the teachers, and so the elitist capitalist Irish system of education continues on its circle of destruction for those who aren't "in the know";)

What are you talking about?

Promote as in tell theyre students its available, as in for free.

Do not start spouting your chip on shoulder bullshít about private education, this is not the thread. As I said, 3 people in my school do it, I was in school on a Saturday morning once for debating, people I knew from other schools (That happen to be non fee paying where in), Piste is in a non fee paying school, she was doing the classes at one stage (I dont know if she continued, or if she minds being used as an example). Private schools dont employ the teachers, the state do, and they use certain schools (Mine for example) as a venue, having about 5 or 6 classes running at once.

JSK 252

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Promote it with what? Any student who doesn't go to a fee-paying school (which you said you did earlier on) would realise that school budgets are stretched tighter than a sumo wrestler's mawashi.

:pac::D:pac::D:pac::D

SligoBrewer

Fad wrote: »

What are you talking about?

Promote as in tell theyre students its available, as in for free.

I thought you meant that principals should promote via employment, considering they choose what subjects are thought in schools.
If they (centres) are available, of course they should be available to everybody. But if they're not available to everybody they should not exist. When you are dealing with a subject which has such a high A1 rate, it places some students at a distinct advantage in comparison to others.

Fad wrote: »

Do not start spouting your chip on shoulder bullshít about private education, this is not the thread.

Like it or not, private education in this country, certainly not in it's present form should not be continued. The very idea that one school is better than another and to gain entry to this school you must pay is appalling. I could have gone to a fee-paying school in my area, I have no chip on my shoulder about being jealous, I just hate the idea of feeding a system which is revolting. And yes, before you quip, I was a politically informed 6th class student.

Fad wrote: »

As I said, 3 people in my school do it, I was in school on a Saturday morning once for debating,

You'd wanna go back and learn how to debate because debates usually entail facts. You've provided one about free centres on a Saturday which we know (So Far)that there are 4 in the country. Every other fact you've displayed has been proven to be hearsay nonense by the one single website. Examinations.ie.

Fad wrote: »

people I knew from other schools (That happen to be non fee paying where in), Piste is in a non fee paying school, she was doing the classes at one stage (I dont know if she continued, or if she minds being used as an example). Private schools dont employ the teachers, the state do, and they use certain schools (Mine for example) as a venue, having about 5 or 6 classes running at once.

Great. You've already stated this, but I misinterpreted when you said 'promote'. I do notice when you say things a thread you see.:cool:

You still haven't given me a reason as to why it's fair to have one subject with a reasonably high turnout rate, but with an exceptionally high A1 rate to boot. Please read my posts because I'm annoyed at making the same points which you choose to ignore. The SEC are taking the piss.

Fad

SligoBrewer wrote: »

I thought you meant that principals should promote via employment, considering they choose what subjects are thought in schools.
If they (centres) are available, of course they should be available to everybody. But if they're not available to everybody they should not exist. When you are dealing with a subject which has such a high A1 rate, it places some students at a distinct advantage in comparison to others.

Like it or not, private education in this country, certainly not in it's present form should not be continued. The very idea that one school is better than another and to gain entry to this school you must pay is appalling. I could have gone to a fee-paying school in my area, I have no chip on my shoulder about being jealous, I just hate the idea of feeding a system which is revolting. And yes, before you quip, I was a politically informed 6th class student.
You'd wanna go back and learn how to debate because debates usually entail facts. You've provided one about free centres on a Saturday which we know (So Far)that there are 4 in the country. Every other fact you've displayed has been proven to be hearsay nonense by the one single website. Examinations.ie.


Great. You've already stated this, but I misinterpreted when you said 'promote'. I do notice when you say things a thread you see.:cool:

You still haven't given me a reason as to why it's fair to have one subject with a reasonably high turnout rate, but with an exceptionally high A1 rate to boot. Please read my posts because I'm annoyed at making the same points which you choose to ignore. The SEC are taking the piss.

I'm going to say it now, that I'll ignore anything anything about private schools as 1. It has been done to death and 2. Its completely off topic and 3.I think we've spoken about it too much for it to be healthy :pac:

I dont think its a problem though, if students work, they do well, if all students work, they all do well. Its obvious that they all must do enough to do that well, the SEC might run the exams the DOE set the syllabus and the SEC can only examine what the DOE say they can.

(And as for the point about debating, it was Irish Debating, no facts involved :pac:)

SarcasticFairy

So anywaaay.... I'm kind of surprised that not a single person got an N/G in any of the Irish papers for the last three years.

Also thought the figures for A's in Geography would be higher.

blubloblu

Classical studies represent!

rainbowtrout

Fad wrote: »

Arabic is for native speakers(Pretty much only), so they can have something to take the place of Irish, why the SEC have that in place? I do not know.

There is an international school in Tripoli which follows the Leaving Cert programme, hence Arabic instead of Irish.