Madden NFL 10

Hazys

Here's some screenshots of the game:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0904/madden.nfl.10.game.room/content.1.html

The screenshots for the Wii look ridiculous, im hoping they are trying to make it more animated for a kids version of the game because the graphics look awful.


This game hasnt really improved in the past 5 seasons but still sells more than any other game...oh the benefits of having a monopoly

Chucky the tree

The graphics always look good on the PS3/PC etc but the game is awful. Depending on how the controls work it could be alot of fun on the wii like most of their games.

tallaghtoutlaws

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The graphics always look good on the PS3/PC etc but the game is awful. Depending on how the controls work it could be alot of fun on the wii like most of their games.

Very True I stopped playing madden 4 years ago. NCAA is a far superior game for gameplay.

Sea Devils

Think the last Madden I ever played in depth was Madden 06. This years Madden I played for about a month and gave up on it, it was full of glitches. There were no sacks, you couldn't run the ball unless you drop the rush slider right down, the CPU ran out of bounds for no reason. It was too geared up for online play to stop people dominating the game, even EA have admitted they got the pacing of the game all wrong.

Tallaght is right NCAA really is superior in almost every department

Karlusss

I much preferred Madden 09 to Madden 08. It's hard to say why, but it just seemed less clunky and much better. Looking forward to Madden 10 as well, just for the subtle changes they put in.

It is tough to run the ball, but rushing the passer hasn't been a problem for me so much. I don't really play it online because I get sick of airing it out and/or playing the Patriots. Still a fan of the game though. Maybe it's the monopoly thing.

Never played NCAA, I thought you can't get it for this region or whatever?

tallaghtoutlaws

Karlusss wrote: »

I much preferred Madden 09 to Madden 08. It's hard to say why, but it just seemed less clunky and much better. Looking forward to Madden 10 as well, just for the subtle changes they put in.

It is tough to run the ball, but rushing the passer hasn't been a problem for me so much. I don't really play it online because I get sick of airing it out and/or playing the Patriots. Still a fan of the game though. Maybe it's the monopoly thing.

Never played NCAA, I thought you can't get it for this region or whatever?

PS3 you can.

Chanandler Bong

ah madden's still good for entertainment value i think,

Elonex

Supposedly they're completely redeveloping the way a QB works, something to do with how the image moves when he throws, meaning you can now throw the ball before your about to be hit and not just take the sack.

Wildcat will also be in the new one. I'm looking forward to it.

Sea Devils

Speaking of which what do you all think of the cover?

mikemac

Looks good

And the first time to feature more then one player afaik

Any idea of a release date?

Max Power1

The release date is 14th August 09 as per both the official site and wikipedia

Christ the Wii players look ridiculous!!!!!

Chanandler Bong

wii games in general are for kids so the caricature form is appropriate..

serious madden heads will get the xbox ps3 version

tallaghtoutlaws

Max Power1 wrote: »

The release date is 14th August 09 as per both the official site and wikipedia

Christ the Wii players look ridiculous!!!!!

Also dont forget the WII cant handle the same graphics the 360 and PS3 can.

Karlusss

Does anyone actually play with weapons, by the way? That was the stupidest idea anyone ever had, since Madden cards.

Desmondo2000

there should only be one player on the cover in my opinion Troy Polamalu deserved it more than Larry Fitzgerald imo

Mac Masters

I like the front cover it makes it look alot more dramatic than the previous ones! And it reminds us of that awesome superbowl.

deccy15

Desmondo2000 wrote: »

there should only be one player on the cover in my opinion Troy Polamalu deserved it more than Larry Fitzgerald imo

what?? no way, fitzgerald carried a poor team to the superbowl practically on his own!! polamalu wasn't even the steelers best player on defense!!!

Karlusss

Desmondo2000 wrote: »

there should only be one player on the cover in my opinion Troy Polamalu deserved it more than Larry Fitzgerald imo

1. Why should there be only one player?
2. Why did Polamalu deserve it? Because he won?
3. Maybe they were trying to offset the Madden curse.
4. http://www.theonion.com/content/news/polamaluesque_puppy_dominates

Sea Devils

Desmondo2000 wrote: »

there should only be one player on the cover in my opinion Troy Polamalu deserved it more than Larry Fitzgerald imo

1. I belieive this is the first shared Madden cover *could be wrong on this*
2. Did you watch Fitzgerald this year at all?
3. There is no Madden curse

SexyIrish

I like the cover. Kinda artsy, a little bit different.

tallaghtoutlaws

deccy15 wrote: »

what?? no way, fitzgerald carried a poor team to the superbowl practically on his own!! polamalu wasn't even the steelers best player on defense!!!

If I was a pro I would have told them to keep their cover. And Im not skeptic

I agree with every Karlusss says. There is no set guide as to who EA put on the cover. Its a computer game not a national Ad Campaign for the NFL. Im sure EA have their reasons for their marketing choice. At the end of it though who cares whos on the box I know I dont care. They really should put cheerleaders on their in bikinis :D:D

Sea Devils

First Gameplay video of Madden NFL 10

Doesn't look too bad

Chanandler Bong

since when is roy williams one the premiere pass catchers in the nfl :eek:

Sea Devils

Chanandler Bong wrote: »

since when is roy williams one the premiere pass catchers in the nfl :eek:

I also think another problem with it is the Tackling. Sports simulations tend to struggle with perfecting the realism of the League that they portray and thats the biggest problem I saw in the vid. It doesn't even come close to perfecting how real Tackles look in the NFL and as always it looks as if EA have failed in this area.

The fight for the ball looks like another gimmick. The problem here is that regardless of player attributes they will still attempt to recover a loose Fumble and in some cases recover which does nothing for the realism of the game. Gang Tackling looks okay but hopefully it doesn't fade away like the QB Vision cone. Its kinda of ironic that their own new gimmick features could be the very things that actually stop this game from progressing into a real simulator like it should be

I'll probably buy it in the end as always but after a few weeks my gut feeling is I'll just either update rosters for Madden 09 or continue with NCAA

Karlusss

Looks a little better in some ways, but not exactly amazing. The novelty sheen stuff will wear off after about 10 games (and if you're as into Franchise as I sadly am, that's a drop in the water) but it'll take actual play to see how it feels. Tackling looks a tiny bit better, and pass coverage physics look kinda better, but they couldn't really get worse.

But yeah, it's feel. The progression from 07 to 08 to 09 doesn't LOOK that great, but in the way the game actually plays, it's massive. Hopefully they've kept up the trend.

xX Mark Xx

Looking forward to it on 360. Like 09 hopefully it will be another easy 1,000 gamerscore but actually a more fun game.

tallaghtoutlaws

My take on it. It looks tacky and continues to favour graphics over gameplay. Madden was once one of the greatest games ever. NCAA guys knew this and barely touched the original model. It doesnt matter how good it looks when the gameplay is bad its a bad game. And is it me or do the movements on the players look like junkie having withdrawals roling into to their local spar looking for a cup of tea shakin all over the shop. The commentators have been dumbed down for rookie audiences also. And as the previous poster said its too easy. Seriously folks go get NCAA if you have a PS3. It stook to the original gameplay and looks nice.

tallaghtoutlaws

Sea Devils wrote: »

I also think another problem with it is the Tackling. Sports simulations tend to struggle with perfecting the realism of the League that they portray and thats the biggest problem I saw in the vid. It doesn't even come close to perfecting how real Tackles look in the NFL and as always it looks as if EA have failed in this area.

there was a game supposed to come out last year with realism. Cant remember the name but Im sure it has been held back due to cost and no license. The tackles in this game looked so real it was class looking. Cant for the life of me remember the name of it.

http://www.backbreakergame.com/

Sea Devils

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

it.

http://www.backbreakergame.com/

Funnily enough I was reading about this game yesterday on the Operation Sports Forums. Looks quite decent, graphically it looks unreal although I've only seen one or two gameplay videos on it. Anything that comes out as an alternative to Madden has to be welcomed.

AFAIK according to it's Wiki it's suppossed to be released next month?

Karlusss

I'm not that mad on it. The tackle animations are great, yeah, but the players are stylised, and when the default stadium you use in your demo has about twelve tiers, it's probably a lock that the gameplay is gonna be a bit dumbed down i.e. "hard-hitting football" a la XFL.

tallaghtoutlaws

Karlusss wrote: »

I'm not that mad on it. The tackle animations are great, yeah, but the players are stylised, and when the default stadium you use in your demo has about twelve tiers, it's probably a lock that the gameplay is gonna be a bit dumbed down i.e. "hard-hitting football" a la XFL.

Thing is those pics and demo are back from 2007 and the game was put on hold. Im sure if it actually hit full development they would have made it better. But the gameplay was going to better than Madden. Every Beta tester that tried it liked it better. Pity the game hasnt been given a chance. Who knows if it ever will. The Wiki date I would say is wrong.

AIR-AUSSIE

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Thing is those pics and demo are back from 2007 and the game was put on hold. Im sure if it actually hit full development they would have made it better. But the gameplay was going to better than Madden. Every Beta tester that tried it liked it better. Pity the game hasnt been given a chance. Who knows if it ever will. The Wiki date I would say is wrong.

Some additional info here:

http://www.gamespot.com/sports/blogs/sports-blog/909097139/26915908/backbreaker-every-play-is-different.html?tag=blog;more;2

I'm not sure about anyone else but i was unhappy when the QB vision gotten rid of. Thought it was a good addition. It annoys me in madden 09 that playaction doesn't really work and that some defenders have a superhuman abiliity to catch up with throw well behind them to block them.

Think the franchise mode could be a bit more indepth - like back with madden 06.

Also tackling feels very rigid. the idea that every tackle in 'backbreaker' is different sounds interesting...

Karlusss

One thing I really miss about old Maddens is custom plays. If something like the tackle animation generator in the Backbreaker engine works broadly in the whole game, that has to mean it would be possible to script plays with quite a lot of freedom.

Which would be fantastic. The only way to get that in 09 is hot routes, and that's pretty limited in terms of what you can do. If you could draw up even a set amount of custom plays per playbook, that would really be an upgrade in my book.

tallaghtoutlaws

Karlusss wrote: »

One thing I really miss about old Maddens is custom plays. If something like the tackle animation generator in the Backbreaker engine works broadly in the whole game, that has to mean it would be possible to script plays with quite a lot of freedom.

Which would be fantastic. The only way to get that in 09 is hot routes, and that's pretty limited in terms of what you can do. If you could draw up even a set amount of custom plays per playbook, that would really be an upgrade in my book.

EA are lazy in my opinion. They know millions will continue to buy Madden if even the changes are small. The NFL license and 20 years of making a name for itself makes it sell. Older versions of Madden are much better but you have to go back to PS2 and PS1 days to find the classic. Ever since the introduction of the 360 and PS3 they are more interested in making it look better.

NCAA continues to grow yearly but again at a slow rate but better than Madden gameplay knocks it for 6. Someone needs to combine NCAA, Madden and that Backbreaker game.

Karlusss

"Individual team playbooks are still under discussion--while the team has the ability to quickly create plays, it still hasn't been decided whether to give each team its own playbook or the number of plays that will be in each team's playbook."

from that article...

Wow... that would definitely be a pretty big turn-off for me.

AIR-AUSSIE

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

EA are lazy in my opinion. They know millions will continue to buy Madden if even the changes are small. The NFL license and 20 years of making a name for itself makes it sell. Older versions of Madden are much better but you have to go back to PS2 and PS1 days to find the classic. Ever since the introduction of the 360 and PS3 they are more interested in making it look better.

NCAA continues to grow yearly but again at a slow rate but better than Madden gameplay knocks it for 6. Someone needs to combine NCAA, Madden and that Backbreaker game.

I really think a competitive market is needed for EA to get the finger out. Competition is the mother of innovation and all that. Maybe I'm being a bit harsh but I think any licence NFL or other should be shared between a number of developers or whatever. Think something similar should be done with FIFA and Pro Evo.

May have a look at NCAA if I get the money...

tallaghtoutlaws

AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »

I really think a competitive market is needed for EA to get the finger out. Competition is the mother of innovation and all that. Maybe I'm being a bit harsh but I think any licence NFL or other should be shared between a number of developers or whatever. Think something similar should be done with FIFA and Pro Evo.

May have a look at NCAA if I get the money...

Totally agree about competition as it forces each others hand to be better. But the problem is the NFL Licence. I just dont see them spreading it about anymore. They used to have the ESPN games but they lost the licence fairly sharply and the EA Empire grew and bought out the whole licence. The ESPN games were much better than Madden in my opinion and were ahead of their time. The in helmet camera thing was class. EA just have too much money and its for this reason the NFL and FIFA licences wont be spread about. No other developer can compete.

AIR-AUSSIE

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Totally agree about competition as it forces each others hand to be better. But the problem is the NFL Licence. I just dont see them spreading it about anymore. They used to have the ESPN games but they lost the licence fairly sharply and the EA Empire grew and bought out the whole licence. The ESPN games were much better than Madden in my opinion and were ahead of their time. The in helmet camera thing was class. EA just have too much money and its for this reason the NFL and FIFA licences wont be spread about. No other developer can compete.

True, but surely it is along the same lines as Microsoft and their control of the operating system market. I believe some regulation should be brought in as the licence is an obvious competitive advantage, but realistically I could never see it happening. (way off topic)

Karlusss

Does Backbreaker even have a chance of getting some of the franchises in, like how Pro Evo has some real teams (two premiership a year fully licensed I think) and then some as a vague approximation?

If they could get, like, the Steelers, combined with the tackling thing, they could market it as a "smashmouth football" kind of game, and it could work.

Sea Devils

I've been reading a article about it on IGN and it defintely looks like it will be released. Some of the most notable quotes.

Controlling your player as he makes his way down the field is easy. Holding the right trigger sends him into aggressive mode where more powerful moves open up. While holding the trigger you'll not only run faster, but you'll also be able to lower your head into a battering ram and stiff arm guys out of the way. To land a stiff arm properly you'll need to make sure that the ball is being carried in the proper hand. Unlike in Madden where this is handled automatically by the AI, in Backbreaker you'll need to press the A button (X on PS3) to switch hands

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Some of the tackles in Backbreaker are more impressive than others. Sometimes it just looks like players fall to the ground when their shoe glances off of a player's finger. Other times you can almost feel the pain through the screen. This is particularly evident when a player goes airborne and gets drilled mid-jump. Limbs fly everywhere. It's very gratifying

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From the pre-alpha version of Backbreaker that I played, there's still plenty of work to be done to iron out the experience. The camera is troubling and the action when running the ball is a bit too frenetic to be able to make calculated moves. Then there's the problem of throwing only a bullet pass, not being able to switch players on defense, and other hiccups in general gameplay. Yes, there's plenty to do between now and this fall but one thing is certain: the technology that's running Backbreaker has the potential to make for a great game of football. Here's hoping the development team can iron out the kinks before this puppy ships later this year

All in all it doesn't look that bad. If they actually make the tackling system revoultionary (sp) then it hopefully will compete with EA. My biggest concern has to be the Uniforms. I know the game is suppossedly set in the future but they look very space age oriented. I don't need real teams and players but I do want them to look like real teams and players.

de5p0i1er

The graphics look better but I'd like to see some rolling demos before I make up my mind.

Peyton Manning

Im still loving Madden 09. Ive together an irresistable Patriots team, with a forward line of Tom Brady, Reggie Bush, Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald and Wes Welker. Plus, Jerod Mayo is a beast

AIR-AUSSIE

Archimedes wrote: »

Im still loving Madden 09. Ive together an irresistable Patriots team, with a forward line of Tom Brady, Reggie Bush, Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald and Wes Welker. Plus, Jerod Mayo is a beast

How did you manage to sign larry & Bush?

Sea Devils

Archimedes wrote: »

Im still loving Madden 09. Ive together an irresistable Patriots team, with a forward line of Tom Brady, Reggie Bush, Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald and Wes Welker. Plus, Jerod Mayo is a beast

Which perfectly shows why Madden isn't as realistic as it should be.

Berty44

Don't know if any of you guys play Madden online with the 360. If you have played like me through the lobbies not doubt you have become frustrated with the cheezy plays and going for it on 4th down. If you are interested in joing a league go to www.xbln.net and have a look around. They run a great league setup with strict rules as to how to play the game. Most players from the UK, couple of Irish in the league. Miced up for all games so great chat as you play. Currently league is midseason but sign up and get playing some friendlies there and join up for the Madden 10 league

Hynzie

I just hope they fix the damn freezing problems that happen on madden 09! they drove me crazy.

Peyton Manning

Hey guys.

I dont expect too many replies to this, but Im setting up what would hopefully be a 32 team online Madden 2009 league on the Xbox 360 which would follow the same format as an NFL season. Teams would be split into conferences, divisions etc. based on what team you pick, the exact same way as the NFL. If you're interested, just send me a PM. Cheers.

Arc

tallaghtoutlaws

Archimedes wrote: »

Hey guys.

I dont expect too many replies to this, but Im setting up what would hopefully be a 32 team online Madden 2009 league on the Xbox 360 which would follow the same format as an NFL season. Teams would be split into conferences, divisions etc. based on what team you pick, the exact same way as the NFL. If you're interested, just send me a PM. Cheers.

Arc

I would definitely enter if I could play EA games online. Still havent figured out why I cant play games and both eircom and ea are clueless.

Basically when I sign in and pick an opponent we get to the screen where it says waiting for the opponent and nothing happens. basically the other user doesnt see me and vice versa fricking annoying.

Is your NAT strict?

tallaghtoutlaws

columok wrote: »

Is your NAT strict?

no idea

Ok here goes.

Basically if you're working off a router and the other person you're looking to play is working off a router there can be problems. The router has inbuilt defences to stop individuals accessing your computer which can cause problems on live.

To analogise a router can be like having a front door- with a strict NAT like having the front door closed with the only entry point being the letterbox.
Your ability to connect with another person depends entirely on whether their front door is open and your front door is open. If both of you have strict NAT then its like trying to throw a bullet pass out your letterbox into their letterbox. If we can open up your NAT then it'll be easy to connect with others (generally no matter how tight their NAT).

1) You wanna test your xbox live connection using the option in settings:

I think you go into network settings on your 360 and test xbox live connection. If it comes up as strict then there is your problem

2) You need to go www.portforward.com and look up your router. Then you need to open pinholes (gaps in the figurative door). Its a pretty good site and should steer you in the right direction.

Colum