Leinster branch threat?

Fishtits

What's the story with the LB threat to restrict test tickets to any club who turns up a red jersey on a blue seat on Saturday?

These guys obviously run banks as their day job...

Bounty Hunter

im going to be wearing red and im fairly sure my ticket was got through a Leinster school... got offered it through a guy who teaches at a primary school i used to coach at, think he probably got them from Clontarf could be wrong tho

Fishtits

Fishtits wrote: »

What's the story with the LB threat to restrict test tickets to any club who turns up a red jersey on a blue seat on Saturday?

These guys obviously run banks as their day job...

Its purely a deterant and hopefully it works.Obviously you will get exceptions but it may prevent people in leinster clubs selling their tickets en mass to Munster fans.

soundsham

6 of us travelling on leinster tickets but we'll be in the hill so who's to know where we got em

or will they have the gestapo checking us at the gate:rolleyes:

stephen_n

Whats wrong with doing that? Same way the IRFU used to stop clubs allocations of tickets if their tickets were found in the hands of touts.

It's bad enough that the Leinster fans won't be as quick as their Munster rivals to wear the colours without the Leinster seats going to Munster fans too when the extra support could help the team to HC final!

Bounty Hunter

this is a complete joke tbh how many Munster people work in clubs and school coaching kids are they not entitled to get tickets from the clubs they work for and support their team in croke park?

anonymous_joe

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

this is a complete joke tbh how many Munster people work in clubs and school coaching kids are they not entitled to get tickets from the clubs they work for and support their team in croke park?

The Leinster Branch would prefer their tickets to go to their fans.

stephen_n

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

this is a complete joke tbh how many Munster people work in clubs and school coaching kids are they not entitled to get tickets from the clubs they work for and support their team in croke park?

If you have a block of say ten red jerseys sitting in a section that was allocated to a Leinster club then there is something wrong and chances are the tickets were sold for profit. Obvioulsy some clubs have Munster players in them yes so it can't be a blanket ban but obviously if it is like the last time with Munster out numbering leinster hugely then the Leinster branch would have to look at ti's allocation process.

Zzippy

And how exactly will they enforce this? Will there be Leinster branch officials walking around Croke Park with clipboards noting the location of inappropriately-placed Munster jerseys? :rolleyes:

zuroph

its not like the clubs will be missing out on any final tickets anyway :P

zenmonk

barn door - horse - bolted - anyone?

Peadar06

They just don't want Munster being shouted out in Leinster side. I heard, if you are see or heard, that they will take your ticket from you and find out who got the ticket, and questionned them about it.

Peter

Tomtom364

Peadar06 wrote: »

They just don't want Munster being shouted out in Leinster side. I heard, if you are see or heard, that they will take your ticket from you and find out who got the ticket, and questionned them about it.

Peter

I am fairly sure i got my ticket through leinster means, and im telling ya, if they tried to take my ticket id have them up on charges of theft. They dont have any rights to the ticket

Peadar06

But they can ask to see the number on the tickets, that is all they need.

Blured

Peadar06 wrote: »

They just don't want Munster being shouted out in Leinster side. I heard, if you are see or heard, that they will take your ticket from you and find out who got the ticket, and questionned them about it.

Peter

Nonsense - the branches e-mail was OTT but it was, as stated above, a deterrant. Anyone who was at the game in 2006 saw what happened Leinsters allocation so the branch is trying to avoid that by firstly giving Season ticket holders the majority of the tickets (6 per person was too much though) and secondly by issuing this (very) hollow warning.

Nothing will come of it, but if it stops a few red jerseys appearing in the Leinster sections then job done IMO

Tomtom364

Peadar06 wrote: »

But they can ask to see the number on the tickets, that is all they need.

And i can say no

Paulw

Zzippy wrote: »

And how exactly will they enforce this? Will there be Leinster branch officials walking around Croke Park with clipboards noting the location of inappropriately-placed Munster jerseys? :rolleyes:

How is very easy. Plenty of TV coverage, and they will be able to identify seats/sections, so will know exactly what club received those tickets.

They don't need to do anything on the day, in fact, they can take a few weeks to look through the TV coverage, and identify where the concentration of red is, that should be blue. They can then take action against the specific club.

While you can say no to showing them your ticket on the day, the ERC/Croke Park have the right to refuse admission, so refusing to show your ticket when requested could give them the right to turn you around and escort you out.

No idea though if any of the above will happen, but it's all possible.

Tomtom364

I wouldnt refuse the erc, croke park or ticketmaster.

Id refuse to leinster staff. Erc run the event and somehow i doubt theyd go checking for leinster considering they dont care who you support as long as you fill the stadium

Catmologen

Its a PR disaster the Leinster branch, there's no such thing as crowd segregation at a rugby match and hopefully there never will be. If you pay for a ticket you're entitled to support anyone you like. I cant see it being enforced personally but if it is it will only serve to alienate more Leinster fans from their province.

Jackz

Rugby - serious business.

paulusdu

Thats crazy, there thousands of munster fans up in leinster working or studying (if coppers is anything to go by ) . Im sure there will even be a fair few leinster season ticket holders if they are up here for weekends.
They were entitled to buy leinster tickets and they are entitled to wear munster jerseys.
It is a PR disaster, but i will be wearing my leinster Jersey, cheering on Drico and co, while the lads in red will be cheering on their team.
Hopefully we won;t hear any more winging from the Leinster branch about tickets after tomorrow.
Every time there is a big game, tickets get more press than they are worth. At the end of the day its Leinster v Muster, the Semi final of the Eurpoean Cup. May the best Men (in blue) win

anonymous_joe

Catmologen wrote: »

Its a PR disaster the Leinster branch, there's no such thing as crowd segregation at a rugby match and hopefully there never will be. If you pay for a ticket you're entitled to support anyone you like. I cant see it being enforced personally but if it is it will only serve to alienate more Leinster fans from their province.

I disagree that it's a PR disaster.

In fact, most Leinster fans I know are quietly pleased about it. It might sound unfair, but Leinster have been given an allocation for their fans. Munster fans have made a song and dance in previous years about snaffling others allocations, most famously in this country the game in Landsowne. As a Leinster fan, I'll freely admit it's a bit harsh on those involved with the clubs, but I'll say this - I'd be delighted if it was guarenteed that not a single Leinster ticket ended up with our opponents fans.

louthandproud

anonymous_joe wrote: »

I disagree that it's a PR disaster.

In fact, most Leinster fans I know are quietly pleased about it. It might sound unfair, but Leinster have been given an allocation for their fans. Munster fans have made a song and dance in previous years about snaffling others allocations, most famously in this country the game in Landsowne. As a Leinster fan, I'll freely admit it's a bit harsh on those involved with the clubs, but I'll say this - I'd be delighted if it was guarenteed that not a single Leinster ticket ended up with our opponents fans.

I think the 4-6 tickets per season ticket holder will mean plenty of red jerseys in Leinster seats, and the diktat to the clubs will only serve to alienate provincial clubs even further from the Dublin based LB and "Leinster the team" even further than they are currently.

anonymous_joe

louthandproud wrote: »

I think the 4-6 tickets per season ticket holder will mean plenty of red jerseys in Leinster seats, and the diktat to the clubs will only serve to alienate provincial clubs even further from the Dublin based LB and "Leinster the team" even further than they are currently.

Quite possibly.

But Leinster the team are doing all they can to put their own fans in their own seats. Why's that such a crime?

(And I realise how cack-handed the methods were, but the goal seems perfectly reasonable to me.)

dingbat

The method of allocation was not perfect, but there is no perfect system. That being said, for people to be actually complaining that Leinster tried to keep their tickets for Leinster fans is pretty weak. In fact, it's mind-boggling.

Paulw

dingbat wrote: »

The method of allocation was not perfect, but there is no perfect system. That being said, for people to be actually complaining that Leinster tried to keep their tickets for Leinster fans is pretty weak. In fact, it's mind-boggling.

But, all the complaining is coming from Munster fans. Anyone else notice that?? :rolleyes:

Otacon

anonymous_joe wrote: »

And I realise how cack-handed the methods were, but the goal seems perfectly reasonable to me.

I actually don't agree with the goal either. IMO tickets should be allocated, not for being a fan, but rather for the work you do to help the Leinster team, either at grass-roots or the team itself. Who you support shouldn't come into it.

Of course, this is an idealised view so I don't expect many to agree, but it certainly doesn't seem like a good way to treat the people who work tirelessly to help you.

Example, my brother's future father-in-law is Leinster born and bred. He has recieved tickets as he is also a STH. He has given one to my brother, who is a Munster fan. Why should he be punished for this?

leeroybrown

I don't have an issue with Leinster making an effort to avoid their ticket allocation ending up going to ordinary opposing fans when there are Leinster fans who want those tickets. I would have an issue if people originally from Munster who play, coach, ref, organise, etc in Leinster clubs can't get a ticket to the game because of it. It would be taking the piss to allocate tickets to clubs then preventing them from rewarding those who do the most for them.

zenmonk

what a load of nonsense
if Leinster had enough genuine supporters to buy the tickets in 2006 there wouldn't be a problem, the same thing happened in Landsdowne because the Munster supporters got them from Leinster people. I am getting a ticket from a Leinster fan so we can sit together and I am giving his mate my Hogan stand ticket -so what! On with the game.

the immortals

if you buy something its yours to do with what you please, leinster fan here

suppafly

i think this is really pathetic by the leinster branch to even try and suggest something like this.

vkid

two of us, munster fans going on Leinster tickets. Mentioned this to the guy we got them off (a true blue dub anf lf) and his response was "f the Leinster branch, thats just not rugby"

zenmonk

http://www.examiner.ie/opinion/columnists/matt-cooper/ill-stand-up-and-fight-for-munster-but-i-cant-guarantee-a-knockout-90662.html

dingbat

zenmonk wrote: »

what a load of nonsense
if Leinster had enough genuine supporters to buy the tickets in 2006 there wouldn't be a problem, the same thing happened in Landsdowne because the Munster supporters got them from Leinster people. I am getting a ticket from a Leinster fan so we can sit together and I am giving his mate my Hogan stand ticket -so what! On with the game.

You're missing the point; this is not about segregation or anything like it.

In 2006 a number of Leinster clubs sold their entire allocation to Munster clubs/interests directly. Leinster's genuine supporters never got a chance to get those tickets. There was war over it internally, though it never really made the papers.

The email sent by the Leinster branch, ham-fisted though it was, was an effort to stop that happening again. No club will be in trouble for having a couple of red jerseys in the seats.

molloyjh

I don't think this is aimed at individuals, but more groups of fans. If there are a bunch of Munster supporters taking up a section that was allocated to Leinster this is where they will be doing something about it. A few Munster fans here or there makes no odds, groups do though. I can't imagine Munster supporters being too happy with it if the position was reversed, and understandbly so. Leinster tickets are for Leinster fans and Munster tickets for Munster fans. If someone is selling on a number of one to the opposition they should be punished for it, IMHO anyway.

keane2097

Why do Leinster rugby people not want to just go to the game?

zenmonk

keane2097 wrote: »

Why do Leinster rugby people not want to just go to the game?

Lol
true!

Tomtom364

keane2097 wrote: »

Why do Leinster rugby people not want to just go to the game?

+1

CatFromHue

Im a leinster fan , i got my tickets through a friend who is a season ticket holder.

if i could get any more tickets than i got they'd be gladly appreicated by other leinster fans i know who couldnt get any tickets.

Also did anyone else read that article by matt copper in the examiner, linked by zenmonk?

"Dublin-born Leinster rugby fans are as likely to engage in cricket as hurling during summer"

What type of statement is that?

if he sitting beside me at the game tommorrow, i may punch him

Soccer and rugby would have been more sports growing, GAA when i was in primary school

thegen

zenmonk wrote: »

http://www.examiner.ie/opinion/columnists/matt-cooper/ill-stand-up-and-fight-for-munster-but-i-cant-guarantee-a-knockout-90662.html

Quoting Matt Coopers article is fine and I agree that he should let his children know of his heritage, but to encourage them to support Munster when they were born in Leinster is wrong IMO.

My father came up from Limerick and we all knew about it, but he never tried to influence who we supported. I am a Dublin supporter and a Leinster supporter, but when Dublin or Leinster are not playing I'm a Limerick man and a Munster supporter.

I feel for the good of the game tomorrow an evenly balanced support would make for a great sporting occasion.

Just my tuppence worth.

molloyjh

keane2097 wrote: »

Why do Leinster rugby people not want to just go to the game?

There are plenty that do want to go but can't get tickets. That's the real kicker. The way the ticket allocation was done in particular was madness. There are plenty of season ticketholders that got their 6 tickets without considering where they were going to go. And lets face it we all know supporters from the other province. So some of the spare tickets will go to Munster friends when they really shouldn't be bought at all and left for the other season ticketholders who have been loyal supporters up until now but can't get a ticket for tomorrow.

dingbat

keane2097 wrote: »

Why do Leinster rugby people not want to just go to the game?

This makes no sense at all.

louthandproud

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Quite possibly.

But Leinster the team are doing all they can to put their own fans in their own seats. Why's that such a crime?

(And I realise how cack-handed the methods were, but the goal seems perfectly reasonable to me.)

Not a crime at all, but as you said a bit cack-handed. I actually agree that clubs should be forced sell tickets to their members only too, rather than sell them for profit, but the jersey thing was a bit too much, a member is a member doesn't matter where they are from or who they support.

Otacon

thegen wrote: »

Quoting Matt Coopers article is fine and I agree that he should let his children know of his heritage, but to encourage them to support Munster when they were born in Leinster is wrong IMO.

My father came up from Limerick and we all knew about it, but he never tried to influence who we supported. I am a Dublin supporter and a Leinster supporter, but when Dublin or Leinster are not playing I'm a Limerick man and a Munster supporter.

I feel for the good of the game tomorrow an evenly balanced support would make for a great sporting occasion.

Just my tuppence worth.

I don't support Munster because I grew up in Limerick.

I support them because my entire family were supporters previously, carried me to matches and engrained supporting them into me. Just as valid a reason to support them as your current location tbh.

Serenity Now!

thegen wrote: »

Quoting Matt Coopers article is fine and I agree that he should let his children know of his heritage, but to encourage them to support Munster when they were born in Leinster is wrong IMO

They can support whoever they like.
Its not like this is an Origin encounter ffs. The "heritage" of Mafi, Warwick, Pucciarello, Howlett, Tipoki, Elsom, Contempomi, Van Der Linde, Wright, Williams has eff all to do with Munster or Leinster.

thegen

Otacon wrote: »

I don't support Munster because I grew up in Limerick.

I support them because my entire family were supporters previously, carried me to matches and engrained supporting them into me. Just as valid a reason to support them as your current location tbh.

Dont agree with you on this one. You should support the province you were born in.

CatFromHue

I think the steam that was coming out of my ears after reading that line in matt coopers article set off the fire alarm and i had to go outside.
I'm much calmer now and if he is sitting beside tomorrow i'll ask him does he want to play a few runs of cricket later

This whole munster leinster thing is getting abit much, my two local pubs were full of people supporting munster for last years final, i live in south dublin.

If we lose tomorrw ill be wanting them to win the final.

In regards to the tickets, ive been to all the home heineken cup games and about 4/5 of the magners league games. If it wasnt for my friend in work, a seaon ticket holder, i wouldnt have been able to get a ticket.

Its going to be very tense tomorrow!

Serenity Now!

thegen wrote: »

Dont agree with you on this one. You should support the province you were born in.

What if, like a lot of the players, you weren't born in an Irish province?

Otacon

thegen wrote: »

Dont agree with you on this one. You should support the province you were born in.

I just don't understand what proximity has to do with it.

My housemate has never lived in Liverpool but he has supported them since he was five because of his father.

My brother is a huge Brumbies supporter.

thegen

Serenity Now! wrote: »

What if, like a lot of the players, you weren't born in an Irish province?

Then I would support the province i was living in.

thegen

Otacon wrote: »

I just don't understand what proximity has to do with it.

My housemate has never lived in Liverpool but he has supported them since he was five because of his father.

My brother is a huge Brumbies supporter.

Dont want to go down the football route here. Remeber IMO only.

Although Reggie Corrigan has a good name for Leinster born people supporting Munster, their Lunster's