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FEMA camps and Swine Flu coffins are ready for US state of Emergency and martial law

  • 27-04-2009 10:57pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭


    Mexican President Felipe Calderon issued an emergency decree on Saturday giving the government special powers to run tests on sick people and order them isolated to fight the deadly flu crisis.

    Mexico City has already shut schools and museums and canceled sporting and cultural events as an outbreak of a new type of swine flu killed up to 68 people in the country and spread north to infect some people in the United States.

    It is only a matter of weeks or even days and we will hear the president of the United States ushering in a similar decree with possible martial law.
    The United States as we know is well prepared for such an epidemic, isolated FEMA camps have sprung up right across the nation along with reports of up to 500,000 plastic caskets located close to several encampments.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE53O2WD20090425


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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wow, martial law!
    Heaven forbid they try to contain a virus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Wouldn't it be deliciously ironic if these Fema camps actually saved the world from a pandemic?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    humanji wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be deliciously ironic if these Fema camps actually saved the world from a pandemic?
    Round up any swine flu virus "suspects", transport them to FEMA, inject them with "vaccine", discretly remove and dispose of "casualties". sorted. :p


    ,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Diogenes


    It is only a matter of weeks or even days and we will hear the president of the United States ushering in a similar decree with possible martial law.
    The United States as we know is well prepared for such an epidemic, isolated FEMA camps have sprung up right across the nation along with reports of up to 500,000 plastic caskets located close to several encampments.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE53O2WD20090425

    Sets reminder to bump thread in two weeks time to see if this happens.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 852 ✭✭✭blackgold>>


    How can you bump something when we are all dead lol....:D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Diogenes is a paid debunker in the employ of the NWO. He was vaccinated weeks ago.Sadly, I forgot to renew my membership, so I'm fecked. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    humanji wrote: »
    Diogenes is a paid debunker in the employ of the NWO. He was vaccinated weeks ago.Sadly, I forgot to renew my membership, so I'm fecked. :)
    There are two types of vaccinations, one for them and the other for the sheeple. :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    <pre-emptive stike> this thread might start filling up with silly posts </pre-emptive stike>


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There are two types of vaccinations, one for them and the other for the sheeple. :eek:
    You gonna back that up at all?

    How would you know anyway?
    Unless you were in on it.

    (Or just making it up.)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Diogenes


    There are two types of vaccinations, one for them and the other for the sheeple. :eek:

    Nope I got the proper one, new world order lollipop and everything.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭derry


    In ROI we got the HSE and 24 hour queues in the A&E before we see the doctor .Stick in a pandemic and week wait in A&E and germs breathed down from on high as harney spouts soothing crap and we can all be sure to die if we go to A&E.best to stay home and try to get better
    The four suspect cases thay already got in ROI are told stay at home a doctor will come to you house pop a can under your window legg it a few hundred meters away and then you stick your head out the window and spit into the bucket .Then the doctor will run up throw a plastic mac over it and then pu the bucket in a airtight box and then trasport the sample back to the lab.

    If you dont die over the next few days they keep the sample on ice to save money.if you die they send sample to the labs to see what class of virus it is


    who needs Fema when we got Harney and FF to kill us slowly with

    Yep FEMA death camps are open for busness in the USA and the Vaccines are sure made to kill the patients on soft kill solutions if the virus doesnt get them first


    derry


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Diogenes wrote: »
    Nope I got the proper one, new world order lollipop and everything.
    How do you know? You will have to try it out on your pet rat first. Sales of these animals will boom right across the globe as the virus spreads. :D.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    6th wrote: »
    <pre-emptive stike> this thread might start filling up with silly posts </pre-emptive stike>
    Diogenes wrote: »
    Nope I got the proper one, new world order lollipop and everything.
    How do you know? You will have to try it out on your pet rat first. Sales of these animals will boom right across the globe as the virus spreads. :D.

    Lads this isnt the After Hours Forum.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    6th wrote: »
    Lads this isnt the After Hours Forum.
    Im deadly serious, I will not take any needle without witnessing the results first hand for myself. I personally would not trust any rushed in cocktail vaccination. To date there is no vaccine for the current strain of Swine flu. http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-04-27-swine-flu-vaccine_N.htm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Im deadly serious, I will not take any needle without witnessing the results first hand for myself. I personally would not trust any rushed in cocktail vaccination. To date there is no vaccine for the current strain of Swine flu. http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-04-27-swine-flu-vaccine_N.htm

    Yes but you can see the difference between what you said before and what you said just now. To suggest otherwise would be an insult to both of us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 feoil


    Diogenes wrote: »
    Nope I got the proper one, new world order lollipop and everything.

    Jaysus, I hope you didn't take Rothschild's Tamiflu, they tried it out on the Japs and they don't seem too impressed,
    http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1601062,00.html
    Biffo got his shot this morning LOL


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    "The Food and Drug Administration has issued emergency guidance that allows certain antiviral drugs to be used in a broader range of the population in case mass dosing is needed to deal with a widespread swine flu outbreak.

    The agency originally approved the use of the antiviral drug Tamiflu for the prevention and treatment of influenza in adults and children age 1 and older. Another antiviral drug, Relenza, was originally approved to treat people 7 and older and to help prevent flu in those 5 and older.

    Late Monday, the FDA said it issued emergency guidance to allow Tamiflu to treat and prevent flu in children under 1 and to provide doses other than originally approved in children over 1. The drugs may be distributed to larger segments of the population without complying with the approved label requirements, the FDA said.

    The agency also authorized a swine flu diagnostic test for testing samples from people with certain flu infections those whose virus subtypes cannot be identified by currently available tests"


    WASHINGTON (AP)

    Alex Jones Version: :p
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/fda-approves-emergency-measures-for-mass-dosing-of-us-citizens.html

    This is scary stuff :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,942 ✭✭✭Mac daddy


    If FF turn around and say all Irish people need to take this not a chance I will tell them to shove there pill were the sun doesn't shine.

    I don't get any of this mexico around 155+ deaths so far.
    The US one death a baby couple of months old.
    and they are trying to roll this so called " vaccine " out to public.

    around 50.000 People die every year in the US of influenza and another 13.000 of TB I don't see them rolling out the vaccine and pills for that. but yet this happens straight away here boy take this pill it could make you go insane ( like what happend in japan ) or do the reverse to what it is meant to do!

    I don't trust any of this all a little bit convenient if you ask me.
    Don't get me started on that puppet barrack obama.

    Something bigger is going to happen this isn't hate to say it killing isn't fast enough it is a tester to see how people will react.

    Martial law can be declared in the US in the event of a epidemic breakout, **** they have the FEMA camps ready already, they are trying to ammend the american constitution to remove the rights that US citzens can't carry handguns.
    That will make banging them up in camps much easier.

    Sorry to the typos eating a load of food here and typing at the same time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Mac daddy wrote: »
    If FF turn around and say all Irish people need to take this not a chance I will tell them to shove there pill were the sun doesn't shine.

    I don't get any of this mexico around 155+ deaths so far.
    The US one death a baby couple of months old.
    and they are trying to roll this so called " vaccine " out to public.

    around 50.000 People die every year in the US of influenza and another 13.000 of TB I don't see them rolling out the vaccine and pills for that. but yet this happens straight away here boy take this pill it could make you go insane ( like what happend in japan ) or do the reverse to what it is meant to do!

    I don't trust any of this all a little bit convenient if you ask me.
    Don't get me started on that puppet barrack obama.

    Something bigger is going to happen this isn't hate to say it killing isn't fast enough it is a tester to see how people will react.

    Martial law can be declared in the US in the event of a epidemic breakout, **** they have the FEMA camps ready already, they are trying to ammend the american constitution to remove the rights that US citzens can't carry handguns.
    That will make banging them up in camps much easier.

    Sorry to the typos eating a load of food here and typing at the same time
    Imagine for just one second that you're in charge of a large country. Imagine that an incredibly virulent and dangerous virus has suddenly broken out in a neighbouring country. Imagine that hundreds, maybe thousands of drunken students from your country have recently returned from the neighbouring country. Imagine that the virus has already spread to a few other countries around the world. Imagine that several infected people are have been found in your country. Imagine that someone has died because of the virus.

    Are you honestly saying you'd sit on your hands and let the people you're meant to lead, die? You honestly wouldn't even prepare for the worst, just in case?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    Mac daddy wrote: »
    If FF turn around and say all Irish people need to take this not a chance I will tell them to shove there pill were the sun doesn't shine.

    I don't get any of this mexico around 155+ deaths so far.
    The US one death a baby couple of months old.
    and they are trying to roll this so called " vaccine " out to public.

    around 50.000 People die every year in the US of influenza and another 13.000 of TB I don't see them rolling out the vaccine and pills for that. but yet this happens straight away here boy take this pill it could make you go insane ( like what happend in japan ) or do the reverse to what it is meant to do!

    I don't trust any of this all a little bit convenient if you ask me.
    Don't get me started on that puppet barrack obama.

    Something bigger is going to happen this isn't hate to say it killing isn't fast enough it is a tester to see how people will react.

    Martial law can be declared in the US in the event of a epidemic breakout, **** they have the FEMA camps ready already, they are trying to ammend the american constitution to remove the rights that US citzens can't carry handguns.
    That will make banging them up in camps much easier.

    Sorry to the typos eating a load of food here and typing at the same time

    So if a lot of this doesn't happen what will you believe then?


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  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    I'm going to America on Sunday week, staying over a night in NY too....

    DeV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    DeVore wrote: »
    I'm going to America on Sunday week, staying over a night in NY too....

    DeV.

    Do we need to get a plastic bubble for you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    humanji wrote: »
    Imagine for just one second that you're in charge of a large country. Imagine that an incredibly virulent and dangerous virus has suddenly broken out in a neighboring country. Imagine that hundreds, maybe thousands of drunken students from your country have recently returned from the neighboring country. Imagine that the virus has already spread to a few other countries around the world. Imagine that several infected people are have been found in your country. Imagine that someone has died because of the virus.

    Are you honestly saying you'd sit on your hands and let the people you're meant to lead, die? You honestly wouldn't even prepare for the worst, just in case?
    For those that can remember the Thalidomide case back in the early 1960ies where a drug was rushed through with little thought. the results were devastating, we do not want this or worse to happen again.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    DeVore wrote: »
    I'm going to America on Sunday week, staying over a night in NY too....

    DeV.

    Keep away from the Mexican rentboys! (they're far too expensive).
    For those that can remember the Thalidomide case back in the early 1960ies where a drug was rushed through with little thought. the results were devastating, we do not want this or worse to happen again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide

    Man you've missed the point. Ignoring NWO and other conspiracies, do you believe that a leader of a country should sit back and do nothing in the face of a possible pandemic?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    Has the conspiracy been posited yet that the flu was placed in Mexico to make the US take a harder approach to its borders? It makes sense as a great number of people in the US don't like all the immigrants in their country, as they may prefer to be closed off, to not have a one-world type order, anti-NWO kinda thing.. So this may have been created by anti-NWO protesters.

    Wait.. r2dh, what have you been up to?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    humanji wrote: »
    Keep away from the Mexican rentboys! (they're far too expensive).



    Man you've missed the point. Ignoring NWO and other conspiracies, do you believe that a leader of a country should sit back and do nothing in the face of a possible pandemic?
    I suggest if anything is done it must be done with extreme caution, last thing we want to hear about is the mass movement of virus suspects to isolation centres (FEMA) and then hear about the mandatory injection with the unknown. The vaccine could end out worse than the virus itself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    The world may not have years to develope a 100% working vaccine. I thought you were against the mass culling of the populace? How many peopel would die if nothing was done until they were sure they had a viable vaccine?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭DubTony


    Isn't it about 150 people have died from this thing in a city of 20 million + ?

    Yup, bubonic plague all over again. The black death is back. We're all f*cked.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    humanji wrote: »
    The world may not have years to develope a 100% working vaccine. I thought you were against the mass culling of the populace? How many peopel would die if nothing was done until they were sure they had a viable vaccine?
    I believe that this so called swine flu virus is synthetic and developed in a laboritory and released intentionally, I also believe the follow up vaccination drug is also synthetic and could possibly be already "developed".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    There seems to be a lot of panic/over reaction to this whole thing as far as I can see. The normal flu kills people all the time if you are weak enough. It seems to be the same here.....

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ops/hsc-scen-3_flu-pandemic-deaths.htm
    http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/general/news/jun1208deaths-br.html

    Apparently around a seven percent death rate so far and that is in a poor country with limited medicine available to them. Not sure if it is Sky news or media outlets which are making this out to be worse than it is.


    Dont think there is any conspiracy here to be honest, cant really see how leaders of various countries would deal any other way with it than they are right now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    DubTony wrote: »
    Isn't it about 150 people have died from this thing in a city of 20 million + ?

    Yup, bubonic plague all over again. The black death is back. We're all f*cked.
    If unchecked it could mutate and wipe out civilisation, so it's a little more serious. That said, it could simply die out with no more victims, but it's best to err on the side of caution.

    You can't say "I told you so" when you're dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    I believe that this so called swine flu virus is synthetic and developed in a laboritory and released intentionally, I also believe the follow up vaccination drug is also synthetic and could possibly be already "developed".
    So you think it's all futile and we should just lie down with a shroud over our faces?


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Run to da hills, i concur completely with everything you,ve posted so far..:cool:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBeKB7aKzOs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edavidicke%2Ecom%2Fforum%2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D63444&feature=player_embedded

    watch?v=GBeKB7aKzOs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edavidicke%2Ecom%2Fforum%2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D63444&feature=player_embedded

    Wake up now please.:)

    kadman


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I believe that this so called swine flu virus is synthetic and developed in a laboritory and released intentionally, I also believe the follow up vaccination drug is also synthetic and could possibly be already "developed".

    Do you believe that any virus can be created/mutated/released purely by natural processes? (like the majority of virus' already out there)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Mexican President Felipe Calderon issued an emergency decree on Saturday giving the government special powers to run tests on sick people and order them isolated to fight the deadly flu crisis.

    Mexico City has already shut schools and museums and canceled sporting and cultural events as an outbreak of a new type of swine flu killed up to 68 people in the country and spread north to infect some people in the United States.
    ...
    I suggest if anything is done it must be done with extreme caution

    It seems people may have misunderstood your initial post. You were applauding the Mexican government for acting with extreme caution...right?


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    How did the bird flu virus, H5N1 get into the vaccines product material , made by Baxter,

    http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html
    The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses.

    And an official of the World Health Organization’s European operation said the body is closely monitoring the investigation into the events that took place at Baxter International’s research facility in Orth-Donau, Austria.

    kadman


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    kadman wrote: »
    How did the bird flu virus, H5N1 get into the vaccines product material , made by Baxter,

    http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html



    kadman

    I was under the impression that all flu vaccines contained a portion of the flu virus they were designed to fight. In this case it looks like they were developing one to deal with the strain on avian flu which was transmissible to humans. I could be completely wrong on all there but that wouldnt be a strange position to be in, in this particular forum.
    Kippy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 605 ✭✭✭j1smithy


    Mac daddy wrote: »

    around 50.000 People die every year in the US of influenza and another 13.000 of TB I don't see them rolling out the vaccine and pills for that. but yet this happens straight away here boy take this pill it could make you go insane ( like what happend in japan ) or do the reverse to what it is meant to do!

    Just to point out a vaccine for the annual winter strain of flu is developed and distributed widely globally. heck they even give it to elderly people for free here and you know what it saves many lives. They also give TB shots to children when they are very young, any you know what incidence of TB has fallen dramatically since that programme was introduced.

    All I've seen here are intelligent public health measures, that save lives. Now the world is faced with a possible pandemic, that being a contageous and fatal (in 1% to 4% of cases) form of influenza being spread through vectors that have never before existed in history (air travellers). It is only right that global organisations and national governments do what ever necessary in order to contain and prevent the deaths of people. I have also seen no evidence that FEMA have set up death camps or the like, not even a trusty worthy link.

    There is no conspiracy here, please move along.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    .
    j1smithy wrote: »
    Just to point out a vaccine for the annual winter strain of flu is developed and distributed widely globally. heck they even give it to elderly people for free here and you know what it saves many lives.

    How many exactly?
    j1smithy wrote: »
    All I've seen here are intelligent public health measures, that save lives. Now the world is faced with a possible pandemic, that being a contageous and fatal (in 1% to 4% of cases) form of influenza being spread through vectors that have never before existed in history (air travellers).
    http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ops/hsc-scen-3_flu-pandemic-deaths.htm


    Don't know where you are going with this. There has been the Spanish Flu, Asian Flu and Hong Kong Flu, all since the advent of air travellers plus various pandemic threats up to Avian Flu.

    Also, the mortality rate is currently 5.2%, 8/154. This is line with the average
    During a typical year in the United States, 30,000 to 50,000 persons die as a result of influenza viral infection. Frequently cited numbers are 20,000 deaths each year, and 37,000 annual deaths. About 5-10% of hospitalizations for influenza lead to fatal outcome in adults.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    j1smithy wrote: »

    There is no conspiracy here, please move along.

    Perhaps you are correct, I am not sure yet.

    There are a couple of possibilites I am trying to juggle with.

    1. It is a freak but natural strain

    2. It is a man-made biological weapon

    For the purpose of (a) or (b) or both:

    (a) A wag the dog situation to take the heat off the governments and their controllers due to the economic meltdown. They can now effectively kill all other stories with the hysteria the media generates.

    And generally the reports from outside Mexico have been of "mild" symptoms with full recovery.

    So why all the media attention now?

    Stories such as the torture memos
    http://documents.nytimes.com/justice...techniques#p=2
    and the non prosecution of those involved
    http://documents.nytimes.com/justice-department-memos-on-interrogation-techniques#p=2

    UK high court demands release of torture documents
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090422/wl_mcclatchy/3218126

    The 3 men cleared of involvement in the 7/7 attacks
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7507842.stm

    And the appeal of the "Lockerbie Bomber"
    http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/6278315/Lockerbie-bomber-launches-second-appeal


    (b) This is from 2005 and the bird flu threat
    Widespread fears of a bird flu pandemic have helped spark a sales surge at Swiss drugs group Roche, which makes Tamiflu - seen as the best treatment for the rapidly spreading strain of the virus.
    Roche, which is the world's only manufacturer of Tamiflu, revealed this morning that group sales had surged to more than £11.1 billion in the third quarter, driven by "significant growth" in sales of the drug.
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article580246.ece

    So there is motive straight away and its worth pointing out that Donald Rumsfeld is a shareholder.

    Also it is worth pointing out that a strain has been developed that will transmit from human to human. All in the name of health of course.

    3. They just want to kill as many people as possible.

    And while I think of it, for anyone who refuses to take a vaccine I'd reccomend Vit D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 605 ✭✭✭j1smithy


    One large meta-analysis of such studies concluded that those who get flu shots are half as likely to die over the winter as their unvaccinated peers (Vaccine, vol 20, p 1831)


    You are being disingenuous, the latest flu you mention was Hong Kong Flu which was in 1968. While Air travel existed then, it is an entirely different scene now. Mass air travel has only existed since the 1980's. You cannot include avian flu as that doesn't spread from human to human, birds are its vector.

    Yes at the moment it has a mortality rate of 5% however many of those were young people (under 40). Thats why the WHO is so worried about it. Winter flu typically kills the old or ones with weak immune systems. The fear is here is that like Spanish flu of the early part of the 20th Century that this flu causes cytokine storms within the host, thus fit people will be particularly vunerable.

    While some hysteria has been generated by the media, its unfair to say that FEMA are going to put people in camps. Its ridiculous in fact. No evidence suggests it and it reflects badly on the OP to make such things up. (entirely fabricated)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    Thats all well and good but they don't even know yet if it is even Swine flu or if it even came from pigs at all.

    They know very little at all in fact until the UN team from The Food and Agriculture Organisation report their findings from Mexico.

    What is known is that 8 people have died from an illness since mid-March. It hardly deserves the media frenzy IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 605 ✭✭✭j1smithy


    Personally I think its option A as you outline above. But thats just my opinion. Yes you could say this has come along at a good time for governments ( the same argument could be made that it has come along at a bad time as it is another expensive problem they have to deal with) as it takes peoples minds off the recession however we live in a world of breaking news and its not unusual for one story to eclipse another. It is worth pointing out though that BBC and other news services have not devoted their entire news output to the flu story so its unlikely the flu will be used to bury bad news.

    The fact that Donald Rumsfeld is a shareholder in Roche lacks relevance tbh. I'm probably a shareholder too through my pension.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    This is on the Swine Flu threat of 76 and the mass vaccinations that followed

    Only young Lewis died from the swine flu itself in 1976. But as the critics are quick to point out, hundreds of Americans were killed or seriously injured by the inoculation the government gave them to stave off the virus.
    http://www.capitalcentury.com/1976.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    j1smithy wrote: »
    No evidence suggests it and it reflects badly on the OP to make such things up. (entirely fabricated)

    This is the closest I can get on that - Bush stating he may use the military to quarantine US citizens during Bird Flu scare.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,171230,00.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    j1smithy wrote: »

    The fact that Donald Rumsfeld is a shareholder in Roche lacks relevance tbh. I'm probably a shareholder too through my pension.

    I'd disagree, if it is the case that the pharmaceutical co's are involved.

    To back up his involvement
    NEW YORK (Fortune) - The prospect of a bird flu outbreak may be panicking people around the globe, but it's proving to be very good news for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other politically connected investors in Gilead Sciences, the California biotech company that owns the rights to Tamiflu, the influenza remedy that's now the most-sought after drug in the world.


    Rumsfeld served as Gilead (Research)'s chairman from 1997 until he joined the Bush administration in 2001, and he still holds a Gilead stake valued at between $5 million and $25 million, according to federal financial disclosures filed by Rumsfeld.



    The forms don't reveal the exact number of shares Rumsfeld owns, but in the past six months fears of a pandemic and the ensuing scramble for Tamiflu have sent Gilead's stock from $35 to $47. That's made the Pentagon chief, already one of the wealthiest members of the Bush cabinet, at least $1 million richer.



    Rumsfeld isn't the only political heavyweight benefiting from demand for Tamiflu, which is manufactured and marketed by Swiss pharma giant Roche. (Gilead receives a royalty from Roche equaling about 10% of sales.) Former Secretary of State George Shultz, who is on Gilead's board, has sold more than $7 million worth of Gilead since the beginning of 2005.
    Another board member is the wife of former California Gov. Pete Wilson.



    "I don't know of any biotech company that's so politically well-connected," says analyst Andrew McDonald of Think Equity Partners in San Francisco.



    What's more, the federal government is emerging as one of the world's biggest customers for Tamiflu. In July, the Pentagon ordered $58 million worth of the treatment for U.S. troops around the world, and Congress is considering a multi-billion dollar purchase. Roche expects 2005 sales for Tamiflu to be about $1 billion, compared with $258 million in 2004.
    http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/31/news/newsmakers/fortune_rumsfeld/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭rockmongrel


    Just because hes got shares in a company doesn't show he's a mastermind. I mean, 1 million dollars is nothing in the states these days, so orchestrating a pandemic for a couple of million seems a bit unlikely given his wealth anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    Here is something more current on Gilead
    Gilead is one of the drugmakers that could benefit.That's because its antiviral pill Tamiflu, which is marketed by Roche, is one of two drugs that is effective against this strain of influenza. Gilead collects royalty payments from Tamiflu sales, which peaked at $2 billion in 2006 as countries rushed to stockpile the drug against the threat of avian flu.


    Tamiflu sales plummeted after governments finished building up their reserves. From 2007 to 2008, Gilead's royalties dropped 63% to $156 million, just 3% of annual revenues. But if countries are forced to dip into their stockpiles to combat the swine flu, sales could rebound.


    The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has already released 12.5 million doses of Tamiflu, which Citigroup analyst Yaron Werber estimates are worth $250 million in sales. Confirmed cases of swine flu in the U.S. climbed to 91 Wednesday with the nation's first reported death, a 22-month old child who traveled to Houston from Mexico for treatment.


    "It remains to be seen how much usage there's going to be and how much further stockpiling there might be," says Werber. "But we assume that the U.S. government will need to restock that $250 million worth of orders. For every $100 million in sales, that adds roughly two cents to Gilead's bottom line."


    Other analysts are even more bullish. "Governments around the world, not just the U.S., that distribute Tamiflu are not going to take back the Tamiflu that's not used, so it's likely we'll see new purchases," says ThinkEquity's Jason Kolbert.


    Gilead shares have risen 4% since Friday to close at $47.60 Tuesday.
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Investor-Daily-Swine-flu-fear-hftn-15069829.html?.v=5


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭zing zong


    remember when birdflu caused the media to scream "we're all gonna die" ?
    remember when s.a.r.s. caused the media to scream "we're all gonna die" ?

    what happened? governments spent a fortune on medication which went largely unused, and a relatively tiny number of people died.

    now due to swineflu the media are shouting it again....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


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    Also, the mortality rate is currently 5.2%, 8/154. This is line with the average

    Currently, the mortality rate of known cases is around 5.2%.

    Compare this with your statistic regarding normal inluenza outbreaks which said that about 5-10% of hospitalizations for influenza lead to fatal outcome in adults.

    Spot the difference? These are not in line with each other, unless a significant majority of all influenza cases lead to hospitalisation in a typical year.


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