Unofficial Bus Strike...

January

Hiya guys...
Just to let you know have been onto Harristown Bus Depot and was told that there is an unofficial bus strike going on at the moment... anyone know more??

mikemac

Posted just 6 minutes ago

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/less-buses-on-dublin-roads-from-today-408324.html

Fewer Dublin Buses were travelling the streets of the capital this morning as the company began the first phase of its cost-cutting plan.

The plan has reduced the company's fleet by 120 buses and cut the frequency of a number of routes, with others being discontinued altogether.

The changes caused workers to threaten industrial action at the company and were only being introduced today following the narrow acceptance by union members this week of Labour Court amendments to the company's original plan.

Full details of the changes can be found on the company’s website, dublin

This happened last time, or something similar at least. Drivers showed up, refused to do what they were instructed to do and got suspended.

Now I don't know the exact details. I'd say this was very likely to happen, should be sorted soon

lostexpectation

what bus were you trying to get?

just reported on news talk, strike of 30 drivers at harristown over diasgreements at new parctices that were supposed to implemented today

andrew163

Fire them all. *pitchfork* :mad:

dub_commuter

With all due respect DB knew there was a problem with the 128 before today, and they could have delayed it until 10th May like all the other disputed changes and just introduced the ones there was agreement on.

However that would make far too much sense and I can only guess that DB were looking for a dispute. They now have notice on their website about it, even if they don't seem to know their own routes very well as some of the info is incorrect.

lucernarian

Can anyone actually explain what was wrong with the 128 before today, apart from drivers always leaving both terminii a few minutes earlier than scheduled and there being no buses leaving the cc in either direction at around 6pm every weekday evening??


Those gombeens in DB treat the 128 as 2 half-routes. It's happened a few times where I've had to wait up to 15 minutes just for a new driver to come on at Burgh quay or at Eden quay. Especially at Burgh quay, which seems to attract parked 128 buses like flies on ****e.

I assume they've got some reason or other for doing this, so does anyone know why they've got a problem with leaving Dartry in Rathmines 6 times an hour on every 10th minute instead of leaving Dartry 6 times an hour on every 5th minute??? Because I can't see any other substantial change to the timetable. I'm really annoyed about this:mad:

spudz21

adrieanne__x wrote: »

Hiya guys...
Just to let you know have been onto Harristown Bus Depot and was told that there is an unofficial bus strike going on at the moment... anyone know more??

The numbers 4/4a and the 13/13a weren't operating this morning, was in town trying to get a bus out
Anyone know if they are running again or is it an all day strike?

ixoy

dub_commuter wrote: »

With all due respect DB knew there was a problem with the 128 before today, and they could have delayed it until 10th May like all the other disputed changes and just introduced the ones there was agreement on.

And to be fair the drivers of the other routes didn't need to scale up their protest and cause much more disruption.

I thought everything had been accepted as well, including time-table changes? Why such a fuss over one route? Really work practices are changing these days and surely there needs to be some more flexibility? Or is there more to this particular piece of the dispute?

Victor

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Travel-News/Service-Disruption/

Service Disruption
Sunday, April 26, 2009

Dublin Bus wishes to apologise to customers for the disruption to services on the following routes.

4/4a Ballymun to Blackrock/Stradbrook

13/13a Ballymun to Merrion Square

17a Finglas to Kilbarrack

27b Eden Quay to Harristown via Beaumont Hospital

40a/b/c/d Finglas to City Centre

33b Portrane/Donabate to Swords

102.Sutton Station to Airport via Swords

128 Baldoyle to Rathmines

83 Finglas to Kimmage

237 Blanchardstown to Castleknock

238 Blanchardstown to Tyrellstown

270 Blanchardstown to Dunboyne

140 Finglas to Leeson Street

This disruption is due to unofficial Industrial action by drivers at Harristown depot following the introduction of service changes which were agreed and accepted following a Labour Court Recommendation.

All other Dublin Bus services are operating as normal.

SickCert

I thought everything had been accepted as well, including time-table changes? Why such a fuss over one route? Really work practices are changing these days and surely there needs to be some more flexibility? Or is there more to this particular piece of the dispute?

All new timetables being discussed locally at each depot, started last Monday.
The 14/a was to lose 10 drivers - after discussions its 2. It shows how managers quickly rushed out the new times pre LC.

lucernarian

Does anyone have info about what the 128 drivers are actually striking over??

And the other drivers going on strike really serves no purpose but to get one up on management in Harristown, with thousands of passengers losing out as a result. Solidarity is one thing, throwing toys out of the pram is another.

dub_commuter

Victor wrote: »

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Travel-News/Service-Disruption/

The document is incorrect. The route numbers effected are correct, but clearly someone in Dublin Bus has no clue where the actual routes serve, as the 128 does not terminate in Baldoyle, the 238 doesn't even go through Tyrrelstown let alone terminate there, the 40D doesn't terminate in Finglas, the 4/13/83 in Harristown, not Ballymun/Finglas.

But then again the standard of information from Dublin Bus has always been crap, and the level of ignorance shown once again towards northside routes is quite apparant.

dub_commuter

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

And the other drivers going on strike really serves no purpose but to get one up on management in Harristown, with thousands of passengers losing out as a result. Solidarity is one thing, throwing toys out of the pram is another.

The war is not about getting one over management in Harristown at all, the people who are calling the shots are a two certain induviduals in HQ, rather than local management.

If it was not for the drivers, and certain senior staff in depots, you would find the cuts would be much worse than what they ahve been, and effect even more people.

dub_commuter

ixoy wrote: »

I thought everything had been accepted as well, including time-table changes? Why such a fuss over one route? Really work practices are changing these days and surely there needs to be some more flexibility? Or is there more to this particular piece of the dispute?

Unfortunately, particuarly in Harristown DB have changed their minds on several of the timetable changes post labour court which no doubt has not helped their position./ For example, the new timetables for the 40/40A/40D 13/A are now provisional, because of the fact DB is talking about the prospect of further cuts according to what a staff member told me.

dub_commuter

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

Those gombeens in DB treat the 128 as 2 half-routes. It's happened a few times where I've had to wait up to 15 minutes just for a new driver to come on at Burgh quay or at Eden quay. Especially at Burgh quay, which seems to attract parked 128 buses like flies on ****e.

Yes. The drivers from Harristown went on strike for this very reason last year, that they did not want to change drivers in the city centre because of the fact it would cause this problem. However many people on these forums slaughtered them for going out on strike.

However, if Harristown drivers had got their way this would not be happening, so all of you who condemed them for striking have now got this as a consequence.

meanmachine3

the following was posted in another thread by one of our colleagues
"In this letter Mr Maguire confirmed that the company would be utilising the current agreed Schedules Negotation procedures Up to and Including the Schedules Tribunal.
So thefore realistically the company is in no position to impliment any more than a few minor withdrawals next Sunday.
The largest problems appear to exist at locations where some Senior Managers have decided to "Get stuck In" by insisting that the new bills are starting in toto on the 26th."

now it seems to me here that the company or garage in question did not use the proper schedules procedure when implementing the new bills. i'd hazzard a guess at what went wrong this morning and it's most likely this. driver reports for work on 128 ,is handed a new board with a new timetable, driver refuses to do this as it wasn't agreed then most likely is suspended and as more drivers come in they find out whats after happening and therefore we have a knock on affect or domino affect whatever you want to call it. now i'm open for correction on this one.
taken from post 9 by victor
"This disruption is due to unofficial Industrial action by drivers at Harristown depot following the introduction of service changes which were agreed and accepted following a Labour Court Recommendation."
s.i.p.t.u. 56% in favor and n.b.r.u. 57% in favor giving a grand total on average of 56.5% in favor of document. in reality this means just over half of bus drivers voted in favor. someone once told me things are going to get nasty over the next few weeks and it seems it has come sooner rather than later.

dub_commuter

To reverse any doubt what happened was a driver turned up for work, was given the new board for the 128, refused to work it and was suspended for doing so. Drivers then offered to defer the changes until 10th May like other routes which have not yet been agreed to, Management refused, which let to an all out strike.

Dublin Bus management could have avoided all this by doing the sensible thing and postponing the cuts until they were agreed, however they chose to create a dispute. Why they needed to do this god only knows, I can only think they were looking for this.

They got the first set of changes in this weekend and they had to delay one route for a couple of weeks, in the grand scheme of things it would not make any difference as it's them losing a very small battle and winning many for the routes that have changed. But instead they chose this path.

lucernarian

Thanks for the info guys.

What's most clear in my mind as a customer is that there'll be lots of people affected by this. This is going to prove a major problem for some people I know. I can thank god that I can walk to the luas and make do with that for getting into college.

What's most important is to get some sort of service running again. The drivers on some routes seem united in their opposition to the carry-on in Harristown. I remember the previous strike over the 4a, though it did not affect me, so there's precedent for this. If DB management need to save money, and drivers insist that they can't work the timetable with less men or more stringent conditions as planned, there's a simple solution.

Reduce the frequency of routes.

I'd sooner have a reliable bus service that I can count on, every 15 minutes than a service that is virtually ad-hoc at peak times but has buses every 10 minutes when few people use them.

People need to have confidence in their bus routes, and workers and management antagonising each other and not getting on with their jobs will do no one any favours.

I may be shot down for that suggestion, but I seriously can't argue for empty buses driving every 10 minutes, when DB is losing millions each month and drivers are unhappy in their work.

meanmachine3

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

Thanks for the info guys.
I'd sooner have a reliable bus service that I can count on, every 15 minutes than a service that is virtually ad-hoc at peak times but has buses every 10 minutes when few people use them.

People need to have confidence in their bus routes, and workers and management antagonising each other and not getting on with their jobs will do no one any favours.
I may be shot down for that suggestion,

i couldn't agree more to_be.from what i can gather the running time from A to B was cut so instead of having lets say 75 mins to do this they only get 60 therefore the drivers have lost about 15 mins getting from one termini across to another. i have said on numerous occasions this is dangerous to both the driver and travelling public as drivers will be under severe pressure to make their times ,then the next thing is buses arrive late at their destination and must be regulated. e.g. on old bill bus left clongriffin at 10.45 then left rathmines at 12.00 under new schedule he could leave clongriffin at 11.00 then have to leave rathmines at 12.00. so if they ran late the 12.00 would not operate in most cases as the driver would have to be regulated to make their 13.00 from clongriffin and visa-versa this is how it works in theory and these problems with running times would be across the city and just confined to the 128. this would also be made worse where routes have been completely taken of certain roads and other routes then have to take up the flak.
in all garages there will be route changes and eliminations i just hope to god the same unoffical action doesn't arise in the other garages and that mangement will have the common sense to introduce these changes properly and with proper consultation with both unions and drivers. let harristown be a lesson learnt to all involved from the drivers right up to management . i'm saying this because i'm sick of the whole thing. if everything had been thought through and acted on in a proper manner by both sides then we would'nt be in this mess that we're in.
meanie

Dyr

Wonder what they're union are going to do about them going on strike every time they feel like throwing the soother out of the pram? Protect them probably. Wasters.

dog-man-star

Hi,
Does anyone know if this just effect today's services or is the strike on Monday also?
Dublin Bus site just says Sunday, so fingers crossed.

dub_commuter

I clearly wonder about management at times. They clearly have zero idea. This afternoon they had a choice.

Put back the changes by two weeks and defer the withdrawl of two buses by two weeks.
OR
Suspend a driver which would lead to a whole out strike which would lead to at least the entire garage going out.

Laughably Dublin Bus elected to pick the second one. The most Ironic thing is it does nobody any favours, as what happened was entirley predictable to everyone bar management it seems. They will probbably lose more money from a whole garage being on strike than they will from defering the two buses by two weeks.

I see the website now says some routes will have a limited service, but neglect to mention which departures would be effected despite this info is easily avaliable to them. Very bloody helpful to their customers. Obviously they hold their customers in the same contempt of their staff.

John Mason

well looks like a sick day for me tomorrow

think i will bill dublin bus for a days loss of earnings:mad::mad::mad:

Dyr

dub_commuter wrote: »

Obviously they hold their customers in the same contempt of their staff.

That would be the same contempt the drivers have for their customers so.

dub_commuter

Bambi wrote: »

That would be the same contempt the drivers have for their customers so.

Not really, they're not the ones who are cutting 120 buses from the fleet.

ixoy

dub_commuter wrote: »

Not really, they're not the ones who are cutting 120 buses from the fleet.

But they are affecting those on the remaining buses. Is there really no other action they can take? I think it was said the fare refusal idea was illegal but surely something else exists?

Also if the changes had been delayed for two weeks, would we still have seen this disruption? Or is it that they haven't been ratified?

Dyr

They're the ones holding the commuters to ransom yet again.

dub_commuter

ixoy wrote: »

But they are affecting those on the remaining buses. Is there really no other action they can take? I think it was said the fare refusal idea was illegal but surely something else exists?

Also if the changes had been delayed for two weeks, would we still have seen this disruption? Or is it that they haven't been ratified?

DB got approval and agreement for the withdrawl of 28 buses this weekend. They could not reach an agreement on the 128 which includes 2 buses, but said instead they would force the changes through and deal with consequences later even though the schedules had not been agreed locally.

Other changes, in other garages have been delayed for two weeks, for the very same reason. This has been brewing for several days and across these days they have been trying to get this resolved. However DB say that they will not talk first, then implement before this weekend, they will only talk after they are implemented, presumably in attempt to force new terms through without agreement as they know they would not get them through any other way.

Bearing in mind that DB has got agreement for 28 buses, and they wanted 30 this weekend, which is 93% of the changes they wanted they have got, I would not have thought defering the changes, would do DB too much harm, after all, two buses running for two extra weeks cannot cost that much, if they have been constantly delaying 120 buses for weeks now.

Anybody with any commercial sense would clearly know, that it would be far more finanically sensible to defer two buses being withdrawn for two weeks than to risk an all out strike from happening, which would cose the company far more money than running the extra two buses, and that before you consider the bad press of the strike and the fact it will alienate more customers. Yet Dublin Bus, a company supposedly financially stricken, has chosen to weaken it's financial position by refusing to discuss the problems.

DB could have waited two weeks and avoided this. But unfortunately it seems someone is on a power trip, and will get their own way no matter what consequence it has on it's organisation, or the people it serves.

Now if you were running a large business, and had to chose betwen running two buses out of your fleet of 1000, for an extra two weeks than originally planned, or risking 20% of your staff going on stike what would you choose?

Dyr

dub_commuter wrote: »

D
Anybody with any commercial sense would clearly know, that it would be far more finanically sensible to defer two buses being withdrawn for two weeks than to risk an all out strike from happening, which would cose the company far more money than running the extra two buses, and that before you consider the bad press of the strike and the fact it will alienate more customers.

You could but then you'll spend you're whole time caving into to people who will call unofficial flash strikes every time they want to get their own way. Does that make commercial sense?

I'm a dublin bus customer and a trade union member, trust me the drivers aren't alienating me or anyone else from dublin bus. They're alienating me from their cause. I would gladly skip through any dublin bus picket line now, treat me with contempt and you'll get it back in spades.

January

Is there still going to be a strike tomorrow?

dub_commuter

adrieanne__x wrote: »

Is there still going to be a strike tomorrow?

Yes - Dublin Bus management have not made themselves avaliable for talks to resolve the issue and have not took the option to defer the changes, therefore they have made no effort to avoid the strike so there will be one.

meanmachine3

Dublin Bus services across 19 routes could face severe disruption tomorrow as a result of an unofficial work stoppage by drivers at the company's Harristown depot.

The action began this morning when drivers stopped work in sympathy with another driver on the 128 route, who was suspended for refusing to work a new schedule.

Unions had accepted Labour Court recommendations on the company's €31m cost cutting measures that included reducing the fleet by 120 buses.

AdvertisementThe drivers are unhappy at new schedules which the Labour Court had recommended should come into effect today.

It is believed the dispute stemmed from unhappiness among drivers with the new schedule on the 128 route.

The routes that will have no service are the 4 and 4A, 13 and 13A, 17A, 33B, all 40 services, 102, 128, 140, 142, 237, 238, 239 and 270.

There will also be disruption to ten routes partly serviced by drivers and buses from the Harristown depot.

These are the 37 and 37 X, the 38 and 38C, the 39 and 39X, the 41 and 41X, the 43 and the 70.


Workers at the depot refused to give interviews on the matter this afternoon.

However, it is understood they stopped work in solidarity with the suspended driver.

They claim that while the broad proposals had been accepted by unions over a week ago, the working arrangements for drivers on each of the routes affected by the cuts had to be worked out locally before today's deadline for implementation of the cuts.

They said agreement had been reached on all but one of the routes due to be cut from today.

And when the first driver turned up to work that 128 route this morning, he refused to operate the new schedule and was suspended, prompting the action by the other drivers at the depot.

Dublin Bus says the Labour Court agreement included an arrangement, where if agreement hadn't been reached on how drivers on each route were to be affected before today's deadline, the cut was to go ahead anyway, and the arrangements negotiated later.

However, the workers claim today's deadline for the commencement of the cuts was set in one of the earlier sets of proposals that was subsequently rejected.

As a result, they said, the deadline for implementing all the cuts from today was unrealistic.

They said they had asked management to delay the cuts on the 128 route until the 10 May, but this was rejected. They say they also offered to continue talks on the 128 route through this weekend, but claim this offer was also rejected by management.

They also claim they remain available for talks.

sillymoo

meanmachine3 wrote: »

The routes that will have no service are the 4 and 4A, 13 and 13A, 17A, 33B, all 40 services, 102, 128, 140, 142, 237, 238, 239 and 270.

There will also be disruption to ten routes partly serviced by drivers and buses from the Harristown depot.

These are the 37 and 37 X, the 38 and 38C, the 39 and 39X, the 41 and 41X, the 43 and the 70.

Does anyone know what the story is with the 27b? The dublin bus website says there will be no service on that route but RTE has no mention. This is so bloody confusing.

Dyr

As a result, they said, the deadline for implementing all the cuts from today was unrealistic.

suprise suprise.

dub_commuter

You should be able to trust the DB website, but considering the fact the service numbers it lists have no service, do not even have the correct start and end points listed next to them, shows that you would not be able to trust them.

What specific timetabled services are cut, on the curtailed routes I could not tell you. Dublin Bus know this information but have elected to share it not with their customers, because that would be far too sensible to do.

mikemac

Oh man, this is pretty much what happened last time, though for different reasons and it was a different issue

Driver shows up, instructions aren't followed so they get suspended and then the drivers comrades go on unofficial strike.

Have both sides learned nothing from last time?
I'm not laying the blame at either side, it just seems to be history repeating itself from what I see

meanmachine3

by the looks of the companies web site both sides could be in it for the long haul. strangely enough the 27B is not metioned at all. they have a list with no services and a list with curtailed services

dub_commuter

I've Included the correct routes in brackets as DB do not seem to know where their own routes go, so heaven help them. Apologies for the brackets but had to correct DB's mistakes

The following routes will have No Service
4/4a Ballymun to Blackrock/Stradbrook (Harristown - Blackrock/Stradbrook)
13/13a Ballymun to Merrion Square (Harristown - Merrion Square
17a Finglas to Kilbarrack
27b Eden Quay to Harristown via Beaumont Hospital
40a/b/c/d Finglas to City Centre (40B Toberburr to City Centre, 40D Tyrrelstown to City Centre)
33b Portrane/Donabate to Swords (Only Selected serivces serve Donabate)
102.Sutton Station to Airport via Swords
128 Baldoyle to Rathmines (Clongriffin - Rathmines)
83 Finglas to Kimmage (Harristown - Kimmage)
237 Blanchardstown to Castleknock (Blanchardstown Circular via Auburn Ave)
238 Blanchardstown to Tyrellstown (Does not go anywhere near Tyrrelstown, Circular route via Ladyswell/Ballycoolin)
270 Blanchardstown to Dunboyne
140 Finglas to Leeson Street (St Margreats Road/Hampton Wood - Lesson Street)

The following routes will have a Curtailed Service
27x Clare Hall to UCD Belfield
37 Hawkins Street to Carpenterstown
37x Carpenterstown to UCD Belfield
38/a Hawkins Street to Damastown
38b/c Hawkins Street to Tyrrelstown
39 Hawkins Street to Ongar
39x Ongar to UCD Belfield
41 Lower Abbey Street to Swords Manor
41x Swords to UCD Belfield
43 Lower Abbey Street to Swords Business Park
70/a Hawkins Street to Dunboyne

The Following Routes also operate from Harristown, and will not have services but DB do not list them.
239 Liffey Valley to Blanchardstown Shopping Centre
142 Portmarnock to Rathmines

sillymoo

meanmachine3 wrote: »

by the looks of the companies web site both sides could be in it for the long haul. strangely enough the 27B is not metioned at all. they have a list with no services and a list with curtailed services

Its on this page http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Travel-News/Service-Disruption/

The amount elderly people who take this bus everyday is more than I have seen on any other route.

meanmachine3

i'll repost this for anyone that hasn't read it

meanmachine3 wrote: »

the following was posted in another thread by one of our colleagues
"In this letter Mr Maguire confirmed that the company would be utilising the current agreed Schedules Negotation procedures Up to and Including the Schedules Tribunal.
So thefore realistically the company is in no position to impliment any more than a few minor withdrawals next Sunday.
The largest problems appear to exist at locations where some Senior Managers have decided to "Get stuck In" by insisting that the new bills are starting in toto on the 26th."

now you make up your mind. the 128 problem is basically a new schedule being introduced

January

It's the same with the 40 bus service. An awful lot of elderly people take this bus from Plunkett/Barry/Casement Areas of Finglas to the church on Cardiffsbridfe Road or to the village.

ecom

regardless of who is in the right or wrong here, if this was an official strike then fair enough, however as it is an unofficial strike by people simply refusing to work (no matter what way you look at it) then they should be suspended without pay or fired. This may yet happen.

In my industry if I decided one day I dont fancy working then I would be reprimanded. And rightly so.

[EDIT] I just want to add to this that I dont wish for anyone to lose their jobs, especially in these times of rising unemployment. What would be preferable is if these drivers went down the proper route to highlight their concerns. The fact that they haven't and are holding a city to ransom, to me calls for the need for strong leadership in dealing with the actions of these people.[/EDIT]

Ste.phen

Looks like i'm walking to work, so!
The Bus? Are you getting it yet?
No, cos the damn thing is parked in the garage!

sidneykidney

I hear that clontarf bus garage is now affected,anyone know this for sure?

jlang

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Travel-News/Service-Disruption/

Service Disruption

Monday, April 27, 2009

Dublin Bus wishes to apologise to customers for the disruption to a number of its services. This disruption is due to unofficial Industrial action by drivers at Clontarf and Harristown depots following the introduction of service changes which were agreed and accepted following a Labour Court Recommendation.

The following routes will have No Service
4/4a Harristown to Blackrock/Stradbrook
13/13a Merrion Square to Harristown
17a Finglas to Kilbarrack
27 Talbot Street to Clare Hall
27b Eden Quay to Harristown via Beaumont Hospital
27x Clare Hall to UCD Belfield
29a Eden Quay to Newgrove Cross
31 Eden Quay to Howth Summit
31b Eden Quay to Howth Summit
32a Eden Quay to Malahide
32/b Eden Quay to Portmarnock
32x Malahide to UCD Belfield
33b Portrane/Donabate to Swords
40/a/b/c/d Finglas to City Centre
42 Lower Abbey Street to Sands Hotel (Portmarnock) / Coast Road (Malahide)
42a/b Lower Abbey Street to Blunden Drive / Beaumont Hospital (42a)
43 Lower Abbey Street to Swords Business Park
53 Eden Quay to East Wall Road
53a Eden Quay to North Wall (Alexandra Road)
83 Harristown to Kimmage
102 Sutton Station to Airport via Swords
103 Clontarf Dart Station to OMNI Shopping Centre
104 Clontarf Dart Station to Cappagh Hospital
128 Clongriffin to Rathmines (Palmerston Park)
130 Lower Abbey Street to Castle Avenue
140 Finglas to Leeson Street
142 Portmarnock to Rathmines (Palmerston Park)
237 Blanchardstown to Castleknock
238 Blanchardstown to Tyrellstown
239 Blanchardstown Shopping Centre to Liffey Valley Shopping Centre
270 Blanchardstown Shopping Centre to Dunboyne
The following routes will have a Curtailed Service
37 Hawkins Street to Carpenterstown
37x Carpenterstown to UCD Belfield
38/a Hawkins Street to Damastown
38b/c Hawkins Street to Tyrrelstown
39 Hawkins Street to Ongar
39x Ongar to UCD Belfield
41 Lower Abbey Street to Swords Manor
41x Swords to UCD Belfield
70/a Hawkins Street to Dunboyne
This page was last updated at 07:50hrs.

A-Train

Clontarf and Harristown out of action today, coming into work there were loads of people at bus stops that were not aware this was taking place and there was about 15 people at each stop and on the flip side taxis will make there money today!

Once again all the trade union dinosaurs that were sent out to Harristown when it opened are calling the shots regardless of official action or not. Not good enough!

líreacán

Killester DART station has queues round the block due to the buses not running.

BC

meanmachine3 wrote: »

the 128 problem is basically a new schedule being introduced

What exactly is the issue with this?
As far as I can see (as a 128 bus user) there is very little change in the timetable, so what exactly is the drivers issue?

dub_commuter

BC wrote: »

What exactly is the issue with this?
As far as I can see (as a 128 bus user) there is very little change in the timetable, so what exactly is the drivers issue?

Reduced journey time from one terminus to another, the timetable is practically the same, but will be operated with one less bus, so if there is a delay on a service, it makes it very likely that the rest of the services operated by that driver for the day will get progressively later as their shift continues, which could result in "Extraordinary Late Running", where a bus is canceled in order to get things running to timetable again, so they have one service which may not run, in order to make the rest on time rather than having every service the bus operates running late.

At the moment on the 128 route, the journey is estimated as taking a set time, and normally there will be a little bit of time inbetween when it is expected to arrive, and it's next departure for another service, this has been cut so now if a bus is late, it is much more likely to be late on the next journey, and it goes on and on and gets later and later.

shltter

ecom wrote: »

regardless of who is in the right or wrong here, if this was an official strike then fair enough, however as it is an unofficial strike by people simply refusing to work (no matter what way you look at it) then they should be suspended without pay or fired. This may yet happen.

In my industry if I decided one day I dont fancy working then I would be reprimanded. And rightly so.

[EDIT] I just want to add

to this that I dont wish for anyone to lose their jobs, especially in these times of rising unemployment. What would be preferable is if these drivers went down the proper route to highlight their concerns. The fact that they haven't and are holding a city to ransom, to me calls for the need for strong leadership in dealing with the actions of these people.[/EDIT]

The reason it is unofficial is the labour law in this country that means you have to ballot and give seven days notice. Obviously it's not possible to do that in this case. The company have tried to force in a bill without following agreed procedures which they promised to do before the LRC vote.

They were warned that if they tried to bypass procedures it would lead to disputes. Now if you go put and work that bill you have de facto accepted it and the agreed procedures are worthless as the company can by pass anytime they like. Once a driver is suspended it escalates the dispute as drivers will not continue working and leave fellow drivers out of work where the company have not followed agreed procedures.

I warned this would happen last week.

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