Student Union Mag - Campus

Shea O'Meara

What's the deal with Campus? I thought the idea behind a student Union mag was the Students Union ran every aspect of it. A few years back they paid an editor to come in, (as the SU wasn't arsed) and today I see they are advertising for someone to come in and do all the leg work, photos etc. I guess I'm asking whats the point of having a Student Union mag? It's a glossy expense for a few Union FYI's which get mailed anyway....unless they forget

silentdog

that's the same ad that's always gone out for the Campus editor, and Campus and An Tarbh has always had some member of staff always put it together. The Union staff report to the president and so the Sabbaticals always have control over what goes into it. It'd be a complete waste of time to have the Union officers putting together a magazine, it's not as easy as you might think. I think Campus is great, the Union pieces don't get e-mailed out at all, the photos are great, seeing what's goin on around the place, and clubs and socs reports are always fun. I don't see what the problem is with someone doing this?

Tony.Time

silentdog wrote: »

that's the same ad that's always gone out for the Campus editor, and Campus and An Tarbh has always had some member of staff always put it together. The Union staff report to the president and so the Sabbaticals always have control over what goes into it. It'd be a complete waste of time to have the Union officers putting together a magazine, it's not as easy as you might think. I think Campus is great, the Union pieces don't get e-mailed out at all, the photos are great, seeing what's goin on around the place, and clubs and socs reports are always fun. I don't see what the problem is with someone doing this?

I could think of about 25,000 reasons. each of them with a € symbol in front of them.

Surely it would be cheaper to put a designer on retainer? There is a set template to the Campus Rag, sorry Mag.....content is just plonked in there. We already pay someone to give us Student Union propaganda......why do we need two?

silentdog

so it costs you €2.50 a year for which you get 24 magazines. Expensive alright.

Using a template is fine if you don't wanna make any changes ever, bur magazine production doesn't work like that. If you want to make sure you have a magazine every week you need some one to actually do it.

Tony.Time

silentdog wrote: »

so it costs you €2.50 a year for which you get 24 magazines. Expensive alright.

Using a template is fine if you don't wanna make any changes ever, bur magazine production doesn't work like that. If you want to make sure you have a magazine every week you need some one to actually do it.

Didn't we spend €15,000 on a website that's meant to tell me everything? I get a weekly email, that tells me everything. I have an elected officer that tells me everything. I have a radio station that regularly covers union activities, and the college view covers their regular fu*ks up. I think I am satisfied with all the info I need thank you very much.

€25,000+ could go on many other things - never mind the amount of Campus Mags I have seen cleaners put into non-recycling bins - such a waste!

Nobody would care if it was a simple template - the only reason people even open the Campus Mag is to see themselves in it - and they are usually just Class Reps.

Urizen

I'd care. I'm sure everyone else who writes for it would care. I'm definitely sure that most of the people using it for career advancement or Uaneen modules would care. You know, those people who put their time and effort into a magazine that most students enjoy. And don't whine about (hint hint).

If you're satisfied without it, great. Don't read it so. No one's forcing you to. Personally, I'm certain that the vast majority of students that take an interest in Campus take a positive one.

It's not just a weekly photo album. And even if it was, so what? It's a break in monotony. I'm actually getting the sense that you're a little bit upset that you aren't in it enough.

Out of curiosity, where would you suggest to redirect the budget, to give the same kind of service to the general student population?

And come on, the cleaner's collective disregard for recycling initiatives really isn't the fault of the magazine now, is it?

lil_cain

Tony.Time wrote: »

Didn't we spend €15,000 on a website that's meant to tell me everything? I get a weekly email, that tells me everything. I have an elected officer that tells me everything. I have a radio station that regularly covers union activities, and the college view covers their regular fu*ks up. I think I am satisfied with all the info I need thank you very much.

€25,000+ could go on many other things - never mind the amount of Campus Mags I have seen cleaners put into non-recycling bins - such a waste!

Nobody would care if it was a simple template - the only reason people even open the Campus Mag is to see themselves in it - and they are usually just Class Reps.

19,000 euro on the website. And it's 19k that would have been far better spent writing more campus magazines. Campus is the one success the union's had with actually advertising things, and telling people what they do all day. It's far from an unqualified success but it's a damn sight better than the rest of what they do, and if that costs 2.50 or so a person, as far as I'm concerned it's money well spent.

Spiralling

The fact of the matter is, there is no way in hell the SU officers would have the time (and probably knowledge) to deal with Campus as well as their positions. I say this as someone who works for the College View - and for anyone who says it takes no time to put a magazine together you are obviously forgetting the umpteen hours that go into design, sourcing content, subediting, fact checking, getting advertising, liasing with printers and so on... these processes don't just happen overnight.

And just in case you don't believe me that these things take time: for the last issue of the College View, just in terms of design, we worked all day Friday, Saturday and Sunday. And that wasn't just 10-6, I'm talking 10-2am on Friday and Saturday, and until 5am on Sunday night/Monday morning before we actually finished. And that's with three designers and a team of people able to subedit pieces. (And while I know that Campus won't take this long itself - it'll still take a good amount of time to do.)

Spiralling

Oh, what I should say though also about Campus, is that the SU really needs to be much better at distributing them and printing more of them. 1,000 really isn't enough, neither is just dropping them in the Hub, the canteen and the HG. They should also be in the library, the other buildings, etc.

silentdog

They are left in the Library, and the science building and nurses building. I dunno where else, but I've seen all the SU coming around those buildings at least, with them throughout the year.

Paddy-Megans-Lo

I've seen them now and then in a stack in the Business Building.


I completely disagree with some of the opinions on here.

Campus is both useful and relevant!
For myself, being a journalism student and a regular contributer, it's an opportunity to get myself published (not as easy a task as you may think).
And yes, it might not be hard-hitting investigative journalism, but it's usually meant to be light-hearted and a bit of fun?

Another thing, for as much as people complain about campus, I see a steady amount of people reading it regularly, although I do think it needs better circulation. If you have a serious issue with campus, don't read it, then you won't have any complaints


Also, Campus is useful in the respect that it lets students know what is going on, in quite good detail. If students were not getting information about SU staff, important upcoming events and what the clubs and socs are up to, they would be complaining about a lack of communication.
Campus, Life and the weekly emails are meant to work together to keep the students as informed as possible

DemocAnarchis

I think Campus does what it does very well. It informs students about what is going on with the union, events, clubs and societies, and a bit of light reading while you eat your lunch.

mehfesto2

Pity the picture section features the same people every week! :pac:

I know it is a lighthearted read and nothing serious, but I just wonder if bulking out peoples CV's, it being a "break in the monotomy" and "getting published" is enough to warrant the money spent on it over the year. Fair enough the SU publish what's going on in it, but we have loads of other ways for them to air their views.

Personally, other than those directly involved, I would question how many regular DCU students would care if it was scrapped.

Cy_Revenant

mehfesto2 wrote: »

Pity the picture section features the same people every week! :pac:

Picture section is made up of submitted photos. The same people are in it because only the same few people are bothered sending in photos.

mehfesto2

mehfesto2 wrote: »

Pity the picture section features the same people every week! :pac:

I know it is a lighthearted read and nothing serious, but I just wonder if bulking out peoples CV's, it being a "break in the monotomy" and "getting published" is enough to warrant the money spent on it over the year. Fair enough the SU publish what's going on in it, but we have loads of other ways for them to air their views.

Personally, other than those directly involved, I would question how many regular DCU students would care if it was scrapped.

I would care...it's the easiest way to get a snapshot of what's going on around the whole college...nice and easy to read aswell...Definitely much better than last year

dead-bob

Deleted User wrote: »

I would care...it's the easiest way to get a snapshot of what's going on around the whole college...nice and easy to read aswell...Definitely much better than last year

Yeah it's a pity it's written by people in the SU therefore not a little biased. If only there were some publication that were written by students for students that could provide a real view of the college...a college view you might say.

Urizen wrote: »

I'd care. I'm sure everyone else who writes for it would care. I'm definitely sure that most of the people using it for career advancement or Uaneen modules would care. You know, those people who put their time and effort into a magazine that most students enjoy. And don't whine about (hint hint).

This logic is actually mind blowing. We should keep a magazine because it is a nice hobby for the people who write for it and will help them get jobs? That's nice. I can't wait until the college spends 5 grand so I can get a fatter CV. It's pretty funny though cause I have often heard people remark that the readership of the campus magazine does not extend beyond those who write for it and maybe some people who have their pictures in it.(there is a not insignificant degree of crossover). I have no real problem with Campus, I only usually read their reprints of 3 month old irish times magazine what's hot what's not columns, but there are much better ways to defend it than "well i have a lovely time right?". Also scolding a student for being concerned where their money goes it pretty ridiculous. This also applies to your snotty IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T READ IT, DICKS! repsonse. It is our money. Lovely and all as those pictures are, I'm sure there will be some some day where one of those 8 people are a suspect in a murder case and the photograph will prove their innocence, it is perfectly reasonable for DCU students to care where their money goes.

Urizen wrote: »

It's not just a weekly photo album. And even if it was, so what? It's a break in monotony. I'm actually getting the sense that you're a little bit upset that you aren't in it enough.

Break the monotony of what exactly? "Oh my life is so drab here in college what with the socialising and the learning, if only something could fill this void? BUT WAIT...WHAT'S THIS? PICTURES OF A RENT REHEARSAL? A CARBON COPY OF AN EMAIL THE CAVING SOCIETY GOT SENT THAT SAYS WHAT THEIR DOING SO THE SU CAN PROVE IT IS WORTHWHILE? ANOTHER SINTILLATING MISSIVE FROM SOME OFFICER OR SOMETHING? WELL HOLY GOD! I MAY JUST CUM MY SHORTS".

Your further crabby remarks about "not being in it" (a witty and original remark I grant you) can also be challenged by the money offer.

Campus does exactly what it seems to intend to do but that attitude you have approached it with is unhelpful? So is my response? Well at least it was funny.

I must say I don't really like the Rosin Ingle asthetic of most of the columns in Campus and I found it a real pity to see it slipping into the College View with that homophobic profane rubbish on the back of the arts page.

I express this opinions in my capacity as a DCU student and nothing else (this writing does not reflect the stance of my offical office of grand wizard.)

Diarmaid07

dead-bob wrote: »

Yeah it's a pity it's written by people in the SU therefore not a little biased. If only there were some publication that were written by students for students that could provide a real view of the college...a college view you might say.

Someone from the college view calling *another* publication biased? My word, will it ever end?

This logic is actually mind blowing. We should keep a magazine because it is a nice hobby for the people who write for it and will help them get jobs? That's nice. I can't wait until the college spends 5 grand so I can get a fatter CV.

How much do you think they spend on lecturers?

It's pretty funny though cause I have often heard people remark that the readership of the campus magazine does not extend beyond those who write for it and maybe some people who have their pictures in it.(there is a not insignificant degree of crossover). I have no real problem with Campus, I only usually read their reprints of 3 month old irish times magazine what's hot what's not columns, but there are much better ways to defend it than "well i have a lovely time right?".

You're surely showing us how to defend a publication alright ^.^

to be honest I'm actually unsure whether you're defending or attacking...

Also scolding a student for being concerned where their money goes it pretty ridiculous

+1.

This also applies to your snotty IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T READ IT, DICKS! repsonse.

No it doesn't. If you don't like it, don't read it and get over it. I wouldn't read a magazine I don't like in the shops, why would I read one out of them? (I do like campus and I do read it each week, btw)

It is our money. Lovely and all as those pictures are, I'm sure there will be some some day where one of those 8 people are a suspect in a murder case and the photograph will prove their innocence, it is perfectly reasonable for DCU students to care where their money goes.

murder case... yes.

Break the monotony of what exactly? "Oh my life is so drab here in college what with the socialising and the learning, if only something could fill this void? BUT WAIT...WHAT'S THIS? PICTURES OF A RENT REHEARSAL? A CARBON COPY OF AN EMAIL THE CAVING SOCIETY GOT SENT THAT SAYS WHAT THEIR DOING SO THE SU CAN PROVE IT IS WORTHWHILE? ANOTHER SINTILLATING MISSIVE FROM SOME OFFICER OR SOMETHING? WELL HOLY GOD! I MAY JUST CUM MY SHORTS".

Your further crabby remarks about "not being in it" (a witty and original remark I grant you) can also be challenged by the money offer.

Campus does exactly what it seems to intend to do but that attitude you have approached it with is unhelpful? So is my response? Well at least it was funny.

I must say I don't really like the Rosin Ingle asthetic of most of the columns in Campus and I found it a real pity to see it slipping into the College View with that homophobic profane rubbish on the back of the arts page.

I express this opinions in my capacity as a DCU student and nothing else (this writing does not reflect the stance of my offical office of grand wizard.)

I got bored replying.

dead-bob

dead-bob wrote: »

A CARBON COPY OF AN EMAIL THE CAVING SOCIETY GOT SENT THAT SAYS WHAT THEIR DOING SO THE SU CAN PROVE IT IS WORTHWHILE?

Spiralling

Diarmaid07 wrote: »

Someone from the college view calling *another* publication biased? My word, will it ever end?

I know, the College View's bias towards telling the truth really is a bummer, isn't it.

DemocAnarchis

Spiralling wrote: »

I know, the College View's bias towards telling the truth really is a bummer, isn't it.

The College View makes Fox News look "Fair and Balanced". Take for example that piece on USI in the last issue. Ridiculous.

sunnyjim

DemocAnarchis wrote: »

The College View makes Fox News look "Fair and Balanced".

Cliché analogy is cliché :pac::pac::pac:

Spiralling

DemocAnarchis wrote: »

The College View makes Fox News look "Fair and Balanced". Take for example that piece on USI in the last issue. Ridiculous.

Because, of course, there wasn't a HUGE MAMMOTH disclaimer at the end of the piece or anything like that explaining the viewpoint that the article was coming from...

(But just to say, the CV will of course be looking at many different aspects of the USI by different writers over the next year. This won't be the only piece on the USI by a long shot...)

silentdog

Spiralling wrote: »

I know, the College View's bias towards telling the truth really is a bummer, isn't it.

ah now if you believe that you really are naive. The college view tell their version of the truth, twist words and twist meanings, and like to focus on the sensationalist rather than the truth. Take for example the story about the RAG Week collections, they had to have the headline RAG Week fundraising down 50% on last year. Yeah it's a recession, big surprise, there wasn't a hint of positivity about the whole edition.
I also love the line that the college view have about being the only people telling the truth about the bar when it was McLave who leaked the story to them in the first place. Well done lads, great piece of investigative journalism, having the story come to you then claiming how great yis all were.

That said, the last issue was one of the most balanced I've ever seen, I think the new team might be finally taking it in the right direction in some ways. Would agree about the USI pieces though. Having them written by an ex-USI officer was such a huge mistake.

on Campus, if the caving club PRO sends the same article to Campus as they e-mailed out to their club, well there was prolly something there that they thought everyone in the college, not just their own members might want to read. I love reading what other clubs and socs are getting up to. I'm sure everyone does.

I love every year how people complain about the photo pages, they don't get involved, don't go to anything other than a ball or two then wonder why the SU hasn't gone out of their way to get a picture of them for the photo pages. Also there's a very handy way to get your photos included. Submit some yourself.

As for the readership of Campus, it's without a doubt the most read publication in DCU, you can't get a copy of it the same day if comes out, never mind later in the week!!

DemocAnarchis

Disclaimer or not, the CV were passing off an opinion piece as something it wasn't. The article should have been published as an editorial or not at all. I don't remember the disclaimer stating that the views expressed were that of the author and not of the cv, it was simply a statement that he had held a position in USI. I don't think that was sufficient. The article completely misrepresented the reality of the situation, leading Mc Clave to publish an article clarifying the SU's position in the publication that is being slated here, Campus. Any useful articles published by the CV are undermined by shoddy reporting such as this, time and time again. If funding was to be cut from either, I'd suggest that the CV is the more irrelevant publication, and i'm sure that if I was to conduct an unbiased survey of 200 students using a loaded question, they would feel the same.

Diarmaid07

Spiralling wrote: »

Because, of course, there wasn't a HUGE MAMMOTH disclaimer at the end of the piece or anything like that explaining the viewpoint that the article was coming from...

No, there wasn't. There was a small footnote, which I normally wouldn't read far enough to see I thank the Union Council for mentioning this article - only reason I finished reading it.

Paddy-Megans-Lo

All things aside, the college year is over and both the campus and college view reigns are being passed over so it's time for a fresh change, if that is delivered or not, we will see in September...


I myself welcome the change in the College View because this year parts of that paper were a disaster...


I wonder if the people on here quoting figures about the expenditure of the college and where and what exactly it goes on has evidence to back it up ...........

TheChrisD

Paddy-Megans-Lo wrote: »

Another thing, for as much as people complain about campus, I see a steady amount of people reading it regularly, although I do think it needs better circulation.

Just because the physical copies of it aren't being spread around as much doesn't mean people aren't reading it.

Or am I the only ones who reads the PDF version from life?

Spiralling

silentdog wrote: »

As for the readership of Campus, it's without a doubt the most read publication in DCU, you can't get a copy of it the same day if comes out, never mind later in the week!!

And of course, the fact it only prints 1,000 copies compared to the CV's 3,000 wouldn't have anything to do with that at all. There is also the fact that with the CV there's less of a general knowledge around the student body of when it's exactly coming out: compared to the overwhelming knowledge that Campus is out EVERY Monday. This is a problem that is partly out fault, and I know that next year we do plan to make sure there is more of a timetable so that every X weeks there will be a College View out no ifs, no buts. That should, hopefully, add to the take up of the College View.

Diarmaid07 wrote: »

No, there wasn't. There was a small footnote, which I normally wouldn't read far enough to see I thank the Union Council for mentioning this article - only reason I finished reading it.

Yes, it was a footnote, but it was a footnote that was in bold. Maybe the article could have been presented slightly differently - I'll give you that - but I do think how it was presented was acceptable.

Paddy-Megans-Lo wrote: »

All things aside, the college year is over and both the campus and college view reigns are being passed over so it's time for a fresh change, if that is delivered or not, we will see in September...

I myself welcome the change in the College View because this year parts of that paper were a disaster...

Oh, and just to say, you should probably know that the last issue of the CV was actually the first produced by the new team. For that issue we kept it mostly the same, with the chage in arts being our main first issue change but of course - next year there will be more change, some quite substancial, some less so.

DemocAnarchis wrote: »

If funding was to be cut from either, I'd suggest that the CV is the more irrelevant publication...

I'd say that neither should have its funding cut to be honest. There is a point to both - and while obviously I have links to the College View, I'm never going to say that there isn't a point to Campus. I glance through it every week, and while I'm sure there can be some cost savings to be had (like changing printers, moving away from glossy paper etc) there is no sense in getting rid of it. Both have their purpose, as does Flashback. UCD and Trinity both have two media outlets - an SU run newspaper, and a 'independent' paper as well, here at DCU we have a magazine and a newspaper; there's no point getting rid of either of them. If anything, you want more media outlets, not less.

Diarmaid07

It wouldn't be the same if it wasn't glossy paged.


It's a magazine publication, not a newspaper.

:|

TheChrisD wrote: »

Or am I the only ones who reads the PDF version from life?

Yes, you probably are.....:pac:

carol9

It's an absolute disgrace that "mature", "educated" adults are giving students such a hard time about the college view. I'm a regular reader of this paper, I have nothing to do with it's team whatsoever and still I have only positive things to say about it. For most of the students writing for this paper it is their 1st time having a go at the world of journalism, encouragement is what they need, not negative comments about how "biased" their newspaper is; how can ye expect 100% professional standards from people who are trying out their profession for the 1st time? Don't forget, it isn't only the College View team who write these articles, ordinary students are contributing to the paper every issue, ye hardly expect the editors to change every word written & discourage these young hopefulls (the way ye do)!

The article entitled 'Where are you going, you gay bastard', is slagging the homophobics who made that remark, how is that a homophobic article?

I can safely say the college view is objective, giving both sides to every story; every article always quotes the two parties involved (if this is the case). How could ye be so critical of a paper that is helping its college's clubs and societies by informing the student body of their achievements?
I say hats off to these troupers who continue to write for this paper every issue, despite these horrible comments being published every week!

silentdog

carol9 wrote: »

It's an absolute disgrace that "mature", "educated" adults are giving students such a hard time about the college view. I'm a regular reader of this paper, I have nothing to do with it's team whatsoever and still I have only positive things to say about it. For most of the students writing for this paper it is their 1st time having a go at the world of journalism, encouragement is what they need, not negative comments about how "biased" their newspaper is; how can ye expect 100% professional standards from people who are trying out their profession for the 1st time? Don't forget, it isn't only the College View team who write these articles, ordinary students are contributing to the paper every issue, ye hardly expect the editors to change every word written & discourage these young hopefulls (the way ye do)!

Tabloid papers pride themselves on glamourising the porn industry, how can an article entitled "The Sinister Reality of Pornucopia" be compared to these tabloids?

I can safely say the college view is highly objective, giving both sides to every story; every article always quotes the two parties involved (if this is the case). How could ye be so critical of a paper that is helping it's college's clubs and societies by informing the student body of their achievements?
I say hats off to these troupers who continue to write for this paper every issue, despite these horrible comments being published every week!

all this would be fine, if you were talking about assignments or a little newspaper thrown together in a class or something. But you're not, you're talking about a newspaper that uses a lot of student funds, your money, my money, that claims to be DCUs only independent newspaper and that comments on real people, who have had their reputations damaged by shoddy reporting by these people. If you were on the SU how would you feel if you'd read some of the stuff they've written this year that was completely wrong and damaged you? Also, you're the first person on this thread to mention the word Tabloid!

Diarmaid07

First of all, congratulations on editing your post to remove the word tabloid - but don't worry, it was seen

Now...

carol9 wrote: »

It's an absolute disgrace that "mature", "educated" adults are giving students such a hard time about the college view.

Here, I never - nor did anyone else in this thread - claim to be mature Nor are we really adults.. just Older Children.

For most of the students writing for this paper it is their 1st time having a go at the world of journalism, encouragement is what they need, not negative comments about how "biased" their newspaper is; how can ye expect 100% professional standards from people who are trying out their profession for the 1st time?

While I understand that it's peoples first attempts, it still doesn't take much effort to read over an article and ensure you're not only giving one side of the story(as is the case in the recent USI article). We're not expecting 100% from first time writers but - this is the clincher - once you've written this first time, you want feedback to improve..

For example. If I wrote a biased article(hah, how could I? I'm amazing and completely right) I would like this to be pointed out to me. It's called constructive criticism and everyone needs it to improve. I would expect to improve after this, not turn around and write another biased article

The article entitled 'Where are you going, you gay bastard', is slagging the homophobics who made that remark, how is that a homophobic article?

Indeed, thank you for clarifying such a moot point which I believe you are the first to raise (certainly in this thread).

I can safely say the college view is objective, giving both sides to every story; every article always quotes the two parties involved (if this is the case).

Incorrect. Case in point: USI article. (QED)

How could ye be so critical of a paper that is helping its college's clubs and societies by informing the student body of their achievements?

are we talking about college view or campus here?

I say hats off to these troupers who continue to write for this paper every issue, despite these horrible comments being published every week!

Another on-the-fence article from your Independent Voice

john.needham

Does anyone have a link to the CV article about the USI, i cant see it on their website.

loctite

Have to agree with some of the remarks above...

I cannot understand why campus is published in glossy mag.

Whatever about the content, (different strokes for different folks) surely it could be published online. Might develop new skill sets for potential journo's and wanabe journo's, and perhaps be a bit greener???

Will someone think of the trees???:)

Shea O'Meara

Of course gaining experience is great and we don't expect 100% from students learning the craft......My point (was) is if all this is true and these publications are great for students to sink their teeth into...why are we paying for non-students to do the editorial/research/photo work on the Student mag Campus? What's the point? Apart from the few students who can put their articles in their samples C.V. (nothing wrong with that) why not get students to run the whole shabang? If nobody is interested, why bother with the mag at all?
*see ad below*

Want to be a part of CAMPUS?By Campus on 23 Apr 2009 | (0) Comments

The Office of Student Life is recruiting a Publications & Research Officer for the Students' Union. It's a fulltime nine month contract position.

Duties and responsibilities:
1. Production of SU magazine, CAMPUS, including sourcing and writing articles, subediting, and liaising with printer to ensure timely delivery.
2. Secure advertising revenue for CAMPUS.
3. Establish and maintain relationships with clubs and socs to ensure presence in CAMPUS.
4. Coverage of events, including photography, for inclusion in CAMPUS.
5. Research pertinent issues for three sabbatical officers.
6. Update life.dcu.ie
7. Any other duties as may be assigned from time to time, by the Manager of the Office of Student Life.

Key skills required:
1. Qualification, preferably to degree level, in relevant area.
2. In depth knowledge of Quark Express or Adobe InDesign.
3. Commitment to the ethos of a Students’ Union.
4. History of involvement with extra curricular activities.

Reporting to:
Manager of the Office of Student Life, but working closely on a day to day basis with the SU President.

Urizen

Damn I got here late. Was one of those posts soley devoted to taking apart my argument? Amazing. Ya know, while you were writing that OBSCENELY rambling rebuttal, you could've gone out and earned the €2.50 it costs you for Campus to be published. With some change left over even :eek:.

Really can't bother dessecting that anymore. To read it once was ordeal enough.

Shea, that's not really advertising to non-students. That'd largely be aimed at final year students with an interest to stay on in a sense.

Shea O'Meara

I'd say you're right, but the query still stands. Why pay non-students, be they recent grads or not? Why not have students run a student mag? I understand the SU folks may be busy looking after the bar etc. (:P), but if they can't find people from the student body or greater SU body to give a hand, it seems nobody gives a bejaysus so why throw money at it? A newsletter would do just as good for Union info.

Urizen

There is a level of education needed to do these things.
It's not just about Union info. It's designed to be user friendly. Newsletters are... cold.
I'm explaining this badly...

TheChrisD

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

Of course gaining experience is great and we don't expect 100% from students learning the craft......My point (was) is if all this is true and these publications are great for students to sink their teeth into...why are we paying for non-students to do the editorial/research/photo work on the Student mag Campus? What's the point? Apart from the few students who can put their articles in their samples C.V. (nothing wrong with that) why not get students to run the whole shabang? If nobody is interested, why bother with the mag at all?

I personally would love to work on Campus, but in order for the students to do all the work, you'd probably need more of a team than a single person to run it. I highly doubt one single student would be able to do all that AND their course and anything else extra-curricular.

Paddy-Megans-Lo

It's a full time job, is it not?

Diarmsquid

Yup. And you even get your own office. Sure why wouldn't ya?

Shea O'Meara

How much are the College View editorial staff paid? Or is it one guy/gal working/paid full time?

Diarmsquid

College View is a society. They don't get paid. They're just students doing it in their spare time.

Shea O'Meara

Diarmsquid wrote: »

College View is a society. They don't get paid. They're just students doing it in their spare time.

That's what I thought.
Now Campus is different because?

Tony.Time

Because it is propaganda.

Oh, btw the College View is not a society.

Diarmsquid

It gets its money from the SPC.
It had a stand on Clubs and Socs day.

What is it?

monument

Diarmsquid wrote: »

It gets its money from the SPC.
It had a stand on Clubs and Socs day.

What is it?

It's a bit of a grey area. As far as I know and can establish, it currently has no constitution, nor any kind of formal rules.

Although, there are moves to put the paper, as well as Flashback, under formal soc rules again.

Diarmaid07

The SPC is the society and publications committee.


It would fall under a publication at the moment.

monument

Diarmaid07 wrote: »

The SPC is the society and publications committee.

It would fall under a publication at the moment.

It would, but there appears to be no formal structure for publications to operate under (for example the Societies & Publications Committee constitution only refers to socs, and the College View has no formal rules ot constitution of is own). The publications part of the SPC is just a name, beyond allowing publications to be funded.

This is why (a) the College View and Flashback seem to be operating in a grey area, and (b) the SPC want them to come under the structure of a soc.

irlande

Ah, love a good publications rant!

In short, my views:

Campus > College View.

College View has potential, it's not met (albeit not through lack of enthusiasm, dedication and commitment) due to a sincere inability to adopt criticism. The USI article, for example, annoyed me. But like I've said before, I enjoy reading college view for updates. Great sports section and there's generally a great deal of information in their news. It's really only annoying when their 'news' (wink wink nudge nudge) includes overly biased opinionated rants.

Campus, on the other hand, is a different ball game. It's an SU funded publication for the Students, from the SU. Providing information on clubs and socs and the SU itself. It does its job. It does it well. It's popular. It's read. It's great, keep it, it's needed.

As for CV claiming to be independent, I never got that. It's funded from the same source as Campus, both indirectly coming from the Office of Student Life. Pretence pretence pretence.