am i old enough to stoot yet daddy

andyone

was out with my nearly five year old little lady on sunday gone...we got our first kill together.... and she loved it... and for those who didn't hear me....SHE LOVED IT....

clivej

Great photo and that's some big rabbit, the little lady is having trouble hold it up. Well done young lady and daddy Andy.

Trojan911

Great pic, trying to coach Mrs T to let me bring out my little girl (5yrs) but she won't be shooting as all I have left is a semi auto shottie and a .308. Think the recoil might put her off....

But great pic all the same...

dwighet

great pic mate....the smile says it all...

andyone

Trojan911 wrote: »

Great pic, trying to coach Mrs T to let me bring out my little girl (5yrs) but she won't be shooting as all I have left is a semi auto shottie and a .308. Think the recoil might put her off....

But great pic all the same...

ah hello ..... she just laid low and let her daddy shoot a daddy rabbit.... mammy rabbits and babby rabbits were out of bounds.... her mother had her educated

Ned Muldhoon

Great photo. I started my kids off with paper targets and a 9mm garden gun (9mm shot) - no recoil or noise. Eldest can now handle a 20b S/S very safely (under supervision as always) and is a very accurate shot. Earlier kids start and appreciate the dangers etc the better.

Remember being at a shoot in the IOM a number of years ago and watching a bus load of school kids arriving to shoot air rifle & pistol. Dicipline and awareness in relation to sport shooting / hunting should be an option on the curriculum in this country.

Think we need to be mindful of the laws of the land though in relation to the age at which someone can start shooting under instruction! - haven't seen the legislation yet, but I imagine the powers that be would have something to say on the issue.

anyway, some eating on that rabbit, hope you guys enjoyed it.

Nemesis

I actually forgot to take a picture of the rabbit we got.

Sparks

Ned Muldhoon wrote: »

Think we need to be mindful of the laws of the land though in relation to the age at which someone can start shooting under instruction! - haven't seen the legislation yet, but I imagine the powers that be would have something to say on the issue.

When it comes to shooting on a range, section 2(4)(d) means that there isn't any age limit as such (though the range may have rules on this, and really, if they're under eight I wouldn't think their skeletal structure would handle the recoil or the weight of the firearm).

When it comes to hunting on the other hand, the law's explicit - 2(4)(d) does not apply and while 2(3)(f) means that they can carry the firearm while out walking with you, the licence holder is the only one who can take the shot. They have to wait until they're 16 and can get their own licence (hopefully they'll commence the training licence legislation and that'll drop to 14 at some point in the near future).

andyone

Nemesis wrote: »

I actually forgot to take a picture of the rabbit we got.

SWEET PICTURE....its so hard to find quailty time with your kids now a days.... that any chance should be welcomed with open arms.... i used to drive artics to and from the uk..... i used to bring my then 5 and now 11 year old daughter with me...... sure isn't it what memorys are made of.... my father has a picture of me in the home place holding a toy gun in one hand and a rabbit in the other,,,, that would have been taken over 32 years ago... i have forgot alot of what has happened in my life , but will always remember that day......


and thanks sparks for the law....... now i know she'll be out again god willing

Sparks

and thanks sparks for the law....... now i know she'll be out again god willing

No worries andy, I'm a big fan of getting kids into the sport young!

andyone

Sparks wrote: »

No worries andy, I'm a big fan of getting kids into the sport young!

thanks again sparks..... tell me you'd that might know..... is hill top still operational...... and can you go in and pay for a day's pistol shooting on his range..... i think i heard somewhere that you could at one stage.... using his pistols..... as my wife seems very interested....

Rovi

andyone wrote: »

thanks again sparks..... tell me you'd that might know..... is hill top still operational...... and can you go in and pay for a day's pistol shooting on his range..... i think i heard somewhere that you could at one stage.... using his pistols..... as my wife seems very interested....

I'll leap in here, as I'm a member of Hilltop.

Hilltop is very much operational, here's the website:
http://www.pcquad.com/


Pistol shooting is NOT available to the general public; give Pat a shout (contact details in above link) for details of the many and varied activities that are.

andyone

Rovi wrote: »

I'll leap in here, as I'm a member of Hilltop.

Hilltop is very much operational, here's the website:
http://www.pcquad.com/


Pistol shooting is NOT available to the general public; give Pat a shout (contact details in above link) for details of the many and varied activities that are.

do you know the price of member ship...... and i've also heard a roumour that pat might be opening a full bore range, have you heard anything..... not all of us can make it to the midlands..

meathstevie

Andyone, I think you're doing the right thing with the little one. My kids are 7,6 and 4 years old and they've all been out with me for some sort of hunting. And as for the firearms part; the younger they find out about them and that there's nothing magical to guns except that they're a tool that has to be handled carefully and knowledgeably the better.

mister gullible

Hunting and killing animals is serious business. Kids under 16 should not be allowed to touch a gun. There's enough of that old rubbish in America.

Sparks

....and there's the tangent we thought we'd see.
Look, if you're going to compare educating kids about firearms in Ireland to educating kids about firearms in America, well, that's not going to answer the question of should you or not. And if you want to get the answer to that question, then there's no point in looking to the US because we're not the US.

mister gullible

Sparks wrote: »

....and there's the tangent we thought we'd see.
Look, if you're going to compare educating kids about firearms in Ireland to educating kids about firearms in America, well, that's not going to answer the question of should you or not. And if you want to get the answer to that question, then there's no point in looking to the US because we're not the US.

The tangent that disturbs the group hugging...

Sparks

I don't mind an absence of group hugging. I mind trolling.
And I don't mind people pondering questions about social policy when it comes to firearms - so long as it's rational and founded on facts. Logos, not Pathos.

Ronan|Raven

I hope she was shown how to skin it and gut the rabbit as well.

clivej

My thoughts are you can't teach children the dangers of things young enough. the same with drink - I had my kids tasting when they were young and then they would know how to handle it when older.

The same with guns. I was out with air guns at 14 and shotguns at 17, you learn to respect.


Good on you Andy your lady will be better than you before you know it.

mister gullible

clivej wrote: »

My thoughts are you can't teach children the dangers of things young enough. the same with drink - I had my kids tasting when they were young and then they would know how to handle it when older.

The same with guns. I was out with air guns at 14 and shotguns at 17, you learn to respect.


Good on you Andy your lady will be better than you before you know it.

14 for airgun and 17 for shotgun sounds about right.

mister gullible

Sparks wrote: »

I don't mind an absence of group hugging. I mind trolling.
And I don't mind people pondering questions about social policy when it comes to firearms - so long as it's rational and founded on facts. Logos, not Pathos.

I mind criticism of a cosy consensus being labelled trolling. By the way, what is trolling exactly?

andyone

GOD BLESS AMERICA

mister gullible

andyone wrote: »

GOD BLESS AMERICA

Yeah:rolleyes:

clivej

mister gullible wrote: »

14 for airgun and 17 for shotgun sounds about right.

But I would have liked to have started a lot younger.

My children are all growed up now BUT thank god for the grand children. My shooting son's boy may only be 3 1/2 but I have him out with me walking the fields looking for and stalking the rabbits.

He has his own binoculars and won't leave home without them.

mister gullible

clivej wrote: »

But I would have liked to have started a lot younger.

My children are all growed up now BUT thank god for the grand children. My shooting son's boy may only be 3 1/2 but I have him out with me walking the fields looking for and stalking the rabbits.

He has his own binoculars and won't leave home without them.

Didn't I just see him shooting rabbits on your video;)

clivej

mister gullible wrote: »

I mind criticism of a cosy consensus being labelled trolling. By the way, what is trolling exactly?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling


OR

Derives from the phrase “trolling for newbies” which in turn comes from mainstream “trolling”, a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite.

AND

An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion.

mister gullible

clivej wrote: »

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling


OR

Derives from the phrase “trolling for newbies” which in turn comes from mainstream “trolling”, a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite.

AND

An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion.

OK so a bit of crack is out then. However letting young kids too near a serious business like shooting is still - in my opinion- a bad idea. I guess it's a tangent because it doesn't sit easily with the other posters?

andyone

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

I hope she was shown how to skin it and gut the rabbit as well.

i did mention it to her and she nearly got sick...ha ha as did her mother....


seeing a dead rabbit in one piece is totally different than seeing one spread all over the counter top.... she's just five and not ready in my eyes for the gore fest.... one step at a time....

fish slapped

Children are born into a lifestyle and if that lifestyle involves the hunting and fishing for food then it involves the use of firearms and fishing rods. The sooner a child knows what these items are and knows to respect them the safer the child is from their own natural curiosity. to my mind you are trolling and do not have the insight into our way of life to be able to pass judgement!!

Troll reported.

stiff kitten

great pictures...but often freak accidents can happen at home with machinery, guns espeically when there's chilodren around...

Sparks

Operative word there sk is 'freak'. All the caution and precaution in the world won't prevent freak accidents - that's the reason we call them freak accidents to begin with.

And frankly, more kids are harmed from things people think are safe than are from things people consider dangerous.

fish slapped

"This is quite interesting because I'm not too keen on people who hunt either, a lot of them are kind of boastful and gung-ho, posting pictures of their 'kill', their gun etc."

Quote from "mister gullible" in a thread called I HATE PEOPLE WHO....
So trolling or not?????????????:mad:

mister gullible

I do like hunting though, just not comfortable with certain views/behaviours of some who go hunting. Surely a mildly different viewpoint is not trolling? I thought it was called discussion.

fish slapped

a lot of them are kind of boastful and gung-ho, posting pictures of their 'kill', their gun etc."

Well why are you here looking at "Gung Ho pictures of our guns and kills if you HATE them??

mister gullible

'not too keen' does not mean 'hate'.
I would expect a shooting forum to contain discussion on equipment and techniques.

fish slapped

Not being drawn in but look at the thread title!

dwighet

clivej wrote: »

My thoughts are you can't teach children the dangers of things young enough. the same with drink - I had my kids tasting when they were young and then they would know how to handle it when older.

The same with guns. I was out with air guns at 14 and shotguns at 17, you learn to respect.

QUOTE]

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

sfakiaman

My father taught me to shoot with his .22 target rifle when I was four years and bought me my first airgun before I was five. I can still remember going to the shop to chose the gun and that was 59 years ago. To me it makes sence to learn young on low powered guns rather than start in mid to late teens with .22's or 12 guages.

mister gullible

fish slapped wrote: »

a lot of them are kind of boastful and gung-ho, posting pictures of their 'kill', their gun etc."

Well why are you here looking at "Gung Ho pictures of our guns and kills if you HATE them??

It’s not relevant whether I’m keen on hunters or not. The point was that small kids should not be hunting. Should a small child, barely more than a toddler see a rabbit having it’s head split open by a 22? Should they be exposed to guns and killing at a very young age? Plenty of time when they are older to experience the thrill of the early morning hunt, the skill of stalking, the heightening of senses, the satisfaction of a good shot, learn the responsibility of gun use. Anyone agree with me…

meathstevie

I don't really want to get stuck in too deeply but as for the firearms bit and very young kids I want to make clear I'm talking about watch, listen ( with ear defenders - plugs of course ) and don't touch. Nobody, including kids, should ever handle equipment they can't physically control. As for the skinning and gutting bit : I ask my kids if they want to watch. If they think it's all a bit too much they can walk away. You know what they do ? They ask me what the pigeon or rabbit has been eating and what certain bits and bobs are for and what they do. And the added bonus is that they know meat doesn't grow on the trees.

Vegeta

mister gullible wrote: »

Anyone agree with me…

Give us some reasons and we might.

You have yet to put forward a single one.

Trojan911

fish slapped wrote: »

Children are born into a lifestyle and if that lifestyle involves the hunting and fishing for food then it involves the use of firearms and fishing rods. The sooner a child knows what these items are and knows to respect them the safer the child is from their own natural curiosity. to my mind you are trolling and do not have the insight into our way of life to be able to pass judgement!!

Slighly off topic but related, I bring my kids, 3 & 5yrs, up to my buddies farm every lambing season and they watch lambs being born & handled. It is an education I believe they should see. They look forward to going up nowdays as they keep asking me to bring them up.

clivej

mister gullible wrote: »

It’s not relevant whether I’m keen on hunters or not. Should a small child, barely more than a toddler see a rabbit having it’s head split open by a 22? Should they be exposed to guns and killing at a very young age? Plenty of time when they are older to experience the thrill of the early morning hunt, the skill of stalking, the heightening of senses, the satisfaction of a good shot, learn the responsibility of gun use. Anyone agree with me…

1. It’s not relevant whether I’m keen on hunters or not.
It is when you post what some may see as ANTI hunting commets in the hunting forum.

2. The point was that small kids should not be hunting.
Yes they should when under the control of one who knows.

3. Should a small child, barely more than a toddler see a rabbit having it’s head split open by a 22?
YES

4. Plenty of time when they are older to experience the thrill of the early morning hunt, the skill of stalking.................... blar. blar......
Not so IMO

5. Anyone agree with me…
Not any one here.

You asked what TROLLING was and you are setting a good example of it here. This is the hunting section. Andy posted a good photo of his younge little lady and you have taken the thread so far off the original subject.
I would say let Mr. Gullible have his say, but as it takes two to tango, so do not reply to his trolling comments.

Just my option

Clive J............from KK

fish slapped

What rattled my cage CJ was he came in as a wolf in sheeps clothing and this was bourne out by his post in the afore mentioned thread.

andyone

mister gullible wrote: »

It’s not relevant whether I’m keen on hunters or not. The point was that small kids should not be hunting. Should a small child, barely more than a toddler see a rabbit having it’s head split open by a 22? Should they be exposed to guns and killing at a very young age? Plenty of time when they are older to experience the thrill of the early morning hunt, the skill of stalking, the heightening of senses, the satisfaction of a good shot, learn the responsibility of gun use. Anyone agree with me…

maybe i'm only knew to this shooting lark, but i have yet to see a rabbit with its head split open from a 22! the range neeeded to do that kinda damage, you could probably have a conversation with the rabbit and talk him down...lol.... personally i use a .17 which is capable of doing more damage imo, and have yet to see this head splitting that you speak off..... and for the record if by some bizzare twist of fate that i did shoot a rabbit who suffered from exploding head syndrome..... i would not bring it any where near my daughter.... it would be thrown into the nearest scrub...... to keep mr. fox happy and away from the farmers lambs...

as always you are entitled to your opinion and i'm entitled to mine....
but get the impression your just looking to draw someone into an arguementive disscusion.... thats not what any of us are here for.... maybe you should start your own thread called "trollers'r'us"


oh and if you know of any lands that have these rabbits who suffer from that dreaded condition, please let us know..... I'll bring the gun and maybe clivej would bring his camera....

ha ha the wife is just after reading this comment and would be anti/ish guns at the best of times..... and made the comment that just as well we don't live in africa....

mister gullible

You're a tough bunch - I'd better shut up now.:cool:

Dusty87

a man i know had this open head syndrome. Didnt see it myself but he thinks he must have caught the rabbit bang on in the eye for it to happen.

Vegeta

And now we have punched ourselves out can we get on topic about how great it is to see young people in the field

andyone

Vegeta wrote: »

And now we have punched ourselves out can we get on topic about how great it is to see young people in the field

I agree... my daughter is now hounding me... ha ha i love it.... had difficulty getting her to bed the night before last as she knew i was going lamping..... had to tell her she has years to wait for that experience.....

my shooting partner is getting jealous, now that i have some one else after my time.. in fairness it could be weeks before all the pieces fall into place for her to come again.....

her older sister(11) is now jealous, and also wants to come out... but has made it VERY clear that there is now way she'll be holding the rabbit, i think she might grow up to be a paper shooter... which before any one says anything is something that i aspire to be also.....

come on lads dig out your pics.... and show off your proud daddy moments, when to be honest all the blood rushes to your heart and you have one of those "THATS MY GIRL/BOY" moments.....:):):)

touchyie

clivej wrote: »

My thoughts are you can't teach children the dangers of things young enough. the same with drink - I had my kids tasting when they were young and then they would know how to handle it when older.

The same with guns. I was out with air guns at 14 and shotguns at 17, you learn to respect.

I am on the same wavelength as Clive, respect for this type of thing is the greatest thing you can teach your child. I have a 2 1/2 year old who knows I go shooting and and what I shoot, in fact they eat some of what I shoot! what she doesnt see is the messy cleaning bit, she is to young in my view to be subject to that, children are very influently. I think that knowing where the food comes from is good enough at that early age without the gruesome details. that can follow latter if they want to see it.

Some of my best memories i have growing up is shooting and fishing with my dad and some of the best laughs i've had is looking at old photos holding pheasants and pike that were nearly as big as me!!! (and remembering it) attached is a pic of my little girl with a toy gun shooting the pheasant who is reading the news paper!!!!!!!!!!! :pac::D now i'm the proud Dad with memories to cherish!