IRELAND squad for North America ?

TarfHead

Now that the Lions are decided, who should be hoping for a call from Kidney ?

2 games - do you need more than 24 ? Also, need to leave some for CC squad

FB Gavin Duffy

3Q Ian Dowling, Andrew Trimble, Shane Horgan, Gordon D'Arcy, Paddy Wallace, Darren Cave

HB Ian Humphreys, Jonathan Sexton, Peter Stringer, Chris Keane

FR John Hayes, Rory Best, Marcus Horan, Bernard Jackman, Tom Court

SR Mick O'Driscoll, Malcolm O'Kelly, Leo Cullen

BR Neil Best, Denis Leamy, Neil Ronan, David Pollock, John Muldoon

Zzippy

TarfHead wrote: »

Now that the Lions are decided, who should be hoping for a call from Kidney ?

2 games - do you need more than 24 ? Also, need to leave some for CC squad

FB Gavin Duffy

3Q Ian Dowling, Andrew Trimble, Shane Horgan, Gordon D'Arcy, Paddy Wallace, Darren Cave

HB Ian Humphreys, Jonathan Sexton, Peter Stringer, Chris Keane

FR John Hayes, Rory Best, Marcus Horan, Bernard Jackman, Tom Court

SR Mick O'Driscoll, Malcolm O'Kelly, Leo Cullen

BR Neil Best, Denis Leamy, Neil Ronan, David Pollock, John Muldoon

Chris Keane ahead of Reddan? You're havin' a laugh..... right? Right??

Tim Robbins

Zzippy wrote: »

Chris Keane ahead of Reddan? You're havin' a laugh..... right? Right??

Personally, I wouldn't include anyone over the age of 30 unless they really wanted to go.

I don't see the point of these tours, the ML and HC is sufficient for developing players and they need a break otherwise they'll all just burnout.

Podge_irl

I don't think anyone involved in the HEC final is going to be on the senior tour. The Canada game is on the same day and the USA game the week after. Some might fly over for the CC though, I imagine it will be a similar squad, with perhaps the older players going home to be replaced by some youngsters.

Don't see any point bringing Hayes or Horan. Would expect Healy, Ross and Court to be the three main props. Best will probably travel and be captain I would imagine. Fly-half choice will be interesting, Kidney seems to still see Sexton as next in line despite him being somewhat sidelined by Cheika. I imagine its between himself and Keatley, Humphries doesn't seem to have done himself a lot of favours lately at Ulster.

Perhaps something like this for Canada/USA (I'm assuming Munster make the HEC final)

Court, Ross, Healy, Best, Jackman?
Cullen, O'Kelly?, Caldwell (Toner?)
Jennings, O'Brien, Pollock, Best (O'Connor?)
Reddan, Murphy
Sexton, Keatley
D'Arcy, Cave, Wallace (McFadden?)
Trimble, Keogh, J. Murphy
Dempsey, Murphy

I'm probably forgetting a rake of people. Really gonna struggle to field a strong team though methinks.

Podge_irl

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Personally, I wouldn't include anyone over the age of 30 unless they really wanted to go.

I don't see the point of these tours, the ML and HC is sufficient for developing players and they need a break otherwise they'll all just burnout.

Some of the senior players will go to form the backbone of the team. They are full internationals after all.

And Chris Keane is complete ****.

Creeping-Death

TarfHead wrote: »

Now that the Lions are decided, who should be hoping for a call from Kidney ?

2 games - do you need more than 24 ? Also, need to leave some for CC squad

FB Gavin Duffy

3Q Ian Dowling, Andrew Trimble, Shane Horgan, Gordon D'Arcy, Paddy Wallace, Darren Cave

HB Ian Humphreys, Jonathan Sexton, Peter Stringer, Chris Keane

FR John Hayes, Rory Best, Marcus Horan, Bernard Jackman, Tom Court

SR Mick O'Driscoll, Malcolm O'Kelly, Leo Cullen

BR Neil Best, Denis Leamy, Neil Ronan, David Pollock, John Muldoon

Nice to see theres more than one John Muldoon fan around here

Would like to see Donncha Ryan brought along too

bleg

donncha ryan simply has to be included

TarfHead

Zzippy wrote: »

Chris Keane ahead of Reddan? You're havin' a laugh..... right? Right??

tbh - I didn't put that much thought into it. And, I had forgotten about Reddan . Once I got past Stringer, all I could think of was Boss, hence Keane.

And I also forgot about the schedule clash with the HEC final.

I'll get me coat

chupacabra

1. Cian Healy
2. R. Best
3. Mike Ross
4. Ryan Caldwell
5. MOK
6. Sean O'Brien
7. David Pollock
8. John Muldoon

9. Eoin Reddan
10. Ian Keatley
11. Johne Murphy
12. Paddy Wallace
13. Darren Cave
14. Shane Horgan
15. Geordan Murphy

chupacabra

bleg wrote: »

donncha ryan simply has to be included

I would assume he will travel to Edinburgh for injury cover at the very least, so he wont be available for selection.

Also i read an interview recently with Gert Smal who said he will be using this tour to specifically develop up and coming irish forwards, so dont expect the likes of Jackman, MOD, Bob Casey, Cullen etc. to be included.

P_1

Well depending on the result on May 2nd the XV could have a very different look to it so I'll offer two teams here.

Team A - Munster in Edinburgh

1. C Healy
2. R Best (c)
3. M Ross
4. L Cullen
5. D Toner
6. S Jennings
7. D Pollock
8. S O' Brien
9. F Murphy
10. J Sexton
11. S Keogh
12. G D'arcy
13. D Cave
14. J Murphy
15. F Carr

16. J Fogarty
17 T Court
18 R Caldwell
19 N Best
20 P O'Donaghoe/E Reddan
21 I Keatley/I Humphries
22 A Trimble/P Wallace


Team B - Leinster in Edinburgh

1. T Court
2. R Best (c)
3. M Ross
4. D Ryan
5. R Caldwell
6. N Best
7. N Ronan
8. D Leamy
9. P Stringer
10. I Keatley
11. I Dowling
12. D Cave
13. B Murphy
14. J Murphy
15. F Carr

16. D Fogarty
17. T Buckley
18. E O'Donoghue
19. D Pollock
20. F Murphy/E Reddan
21. I Humphries
22. A Trimble/P Wallace

KevinK

Team A

1. C Healy
2. R Best (c)
3. M Ross
4. L Cullen
5. R Caldwell
6. N.Best
7. S Jennings
8. R Wilson
9. E Reddan
10. P Wallace
11. J Murphy
12. G D'arcy
13. D Cave
14. S Horgan
15. G Murphy




Team B

1. M Horan
2. R Best (c)
3. M Ross
4. M O'Driscoll
5. R Caldwell
6. D Ryan
7. N Ronan
8. D Leamy
9. P Stringer
10. I Humphries
11. I Dowling
12. P Wallace
13. D Cave
14. J Murphy
15. G Murphy

Would not be too suprised to see Hayes and O'Kelly either to be honest. 100 caps anyone?

If Cardiff win maybe Carr and Duffy to replace the Murphys.

jop

Podge_irl wrote: »

Some of the senior players will go to form the backbone of the team. They are full internationals after all.

And Chris Keane is complete ****.

bit rough to be calling players names ?

Dev7

15 Murphy
14 Trimble
13 Cave
12 D'arcy
11 Dowling
10 Sexton
9 Stringer
8 Leamy
7 Jennings
6 Ryan
5 Caldwell
4 O Drsicoll
3 Buckley
2 Best (c)
1 Healy

16 Cronin
17 Court
18 O Kelly
19 O Brien
20 Reddan
21 Wallace
22 Horgan

athtrasna

Dev7 wrote: »

3 Buckley

At last a voice of reason. Buckley has come into form since his return from glandular fever, thought he played out of his skin for much of Saturday (apart from conceding the first penalty). He's put a lot of work into his fitness judging by the change in his physique and he seems to move better around the field.

Teg Veece

chupacabra wrote: »

I would assume he will travel to Edinburgh for injury cover at the very least, so he wont be available for selection.

Also i read an interview recently with Gert Smal who said he will be using this tour to specifically develop up and coming irish forwards, so dont expect the likes of Jackman, MOD, Bob Casey, Cullen etc. to be included.

Getting a bit ahead of ourselves, aren't we? There's still the small matter of the HC semi-final...

Amazotheamazing

How on earth can we really pick this team when Munster, Leinster or Leicester could be in the HEC final. Most of the above A or B teams have neglected the fact and G and J Murphy may be busy that weekend too.

chupacabra

Teg Veece wrote: »

Getting a bit ahead of ourselves, aren't we? There's still the small matter of the HC semi-final...

I am entitled to :pac:

Podge_irl

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

How on earth can we really pick this team when Munster, Leinster or Leicester could be in the HEC final. Most of the above A or B teams have neglected the fact and G and J Murphy may be busy that weekend too.

Saints making the ECC final would rule out N Best as well.

remus808

Podge_irl wrote: »

Saints making the ECC final would rule out N Best as well.

And Roger Wilson.

Crash

Podge_irl wrote: »

Saints making the ECC final would rule out N Best as well.

I will be eagerly awaiting my call up then.

LeeroyJones

it should be noted aso that both Geordan and Johne Murphy have a good chance of being involved in Edinburgh and hence wouldn't be included either.

apologies Amazotheamazing, i see you made this point before me!!!

MG

Is this squad supposed to be announced today?

MG

MG wrote: »

Is this squad supposed to be announced today?

Dont think so,where did you hear that?

TarfHead

MG wrote: »

Is this squad supposed to be announced today?

I thought so too. Can't recall how I came to think that, but I'm sure I read/heard some reference to an announcement today.

danthefan

chupacabra wrote: »

I would assume he [Donncha Ryan] will travel to Edinburgh for injury cover at the very least, so he wont be available for selection.

Ouch


I hadn't heard the squad will be announced today either anyway. It's understandable them leaving it so late though considering they didn't know who'd be available or not til very recently. Now they have to look at the form of those who are available.

Diom

I'd go for

15: G Duffy
14: F Carr
13: D Cave
12: D'Arcy
11: Horgan

10: Sexton
9: Stringer

8: Leamy
7: O'Connor
6: Muldoon
5: M O Driscoll
4: L Cullen
3: Horan
2: Cronin
1: Hayes

Bench:
16. R Best
17. C Healy
18. D Ryan/A Browne
19. F Murphy
20. I Keatley/Humphries
21. A Trimble
22. B Murphy

Duffy and Carr are in superb form. Experienced pack, physical back row, and Cronin in the front for dynamism. Best of course can start instead of Cronin, but this would be my preferred team.

danthefan

Diom wrote: »

I'd go for


Duffy and Carr are in superb form. Experienced pack, physical back row, and Cronin in the front for dynamism. Best of course can start instead of Cronin, but this would be my preferred team.

That can't be the team, there are Leinster players in it.

shoutman

No point bringing any of the ol' lads imo.

TarfHead

Diom wrote: »

Experienced pack, physical back row, and Cronin in the front for dynamism. Best of course can start instead of Cronin, but this would be my preferred team.

Hayes & Horan are being given the Summer off

anonymous_joe

Diom wrote: »

I'd go for


Duffy and Carr are in superb form. Experienced pack, physical back row, and Cronin in the front for dynamism. Best of course can start instead of Cronin, but this would be my preferred team.

I'd hope D'Arcy's going on the Lions tour.

Is Paddy Wallace still injured?

A playmaker like him could do wonders at 12, and might help Cave as well at 13.

MG

Kathryn Rotten Abacus wrote: »

Dont think so,where did you hear that?

Thought I saw it in the papers yesterday but squads are usually announced by now so maybe not

Podge_irl

I imagine Best will go and be captain. There have to be some experienced internationals there of it'll just be a glorified A game. There is no point throwing young players in en masse. I imagine Best, MOD, Reddan/Stringer, Leamy, Bowe will start.

MG

Podge_irl wrote: »

I imagine Best will go and be captain. There have to be some experienced internationals there of it'll just be a glorified A game. There is no point throwing young players in en masse. I imagine Best, MOD, Reddan/Stringer, Leamy, Bowe will start.

Bowe would be disappointed to start I'd say;)

Podge_irl

MG wrote: »

Bowe would be disappointed to start I'd say;)

Ugh...I was trying to think of senior outside backs and was only trying to avoid putting in Leinster players! Gagh, Exchange Bowe for Wallace so! There needs to be some kind of senior spine to the team.

danthefan

Worth posting again, I think the following players are all not available. List open to correction.

Bowe, O'Connell, O'Callaghan, O'Driscoll, Kearney, Fitzgerald, Ferris, Quinlan, D Wallace, O'Gara, Heaslip, Flannery, Earls, O'Kelly, Dempsey, Horgan, D'Arcy, Cullen, Jackman, Jennings, Hogan, Sexton, Healy, O'Brien, J Fogarty, Toner, McFadden (??, might travel with the squad to Embra), G Murphy, J Murphy, N Best, Wilson, Downey, Everitt, O'Leary, Trimble, Pollock

IRELAND Squad (North American Tour, 2009)
Rory Best (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster) Captain

Tony Buckley (Shannon/Munster)

Ryan Caldwell (Dungannon/Ulster)*

Bob Casey (London Irish)

Darren Cave (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)*

Tom Court (Malone/Ulster)

Sean Cronin (Buccaneers/Connacht)*

Ian Dowling (Shannon/Munster)*

Gavin Duffy (Galwegians/Connacht)

Chris Henry (Ballymena/Ulster)*

Denis Hurley (Cork Constitution/Munster)*

Ian Keatley (Galwegians/Connacht)*

Denis Leamy (Cork Constitution/Munster)

Keith Matthews (Buccaneers/Connacht)*

John Muldoon (Buccanneers/Connacht)*

Barry Murphy (U.L. Bohemians/Munster)

Niall O'Connor (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)*

Mick O'Driscoll (Cork Constitution/Munster)

Eoin Reddan (London Wasps)

Niall Ronan (Shannon/Munster)*

Mike Ross (Harlequins)*

Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)

Peter Stringer (Shannon/Munster)

Bryan Young (Ballymena/Ulster)
A N Other**
N.B. *Denotes uncapped at full international level
** To be confirmed following medical reports following final round of Magners League.
Ireland Tour Schedule
Depart Sunday 17th May for Canada

Canada v Ireland, Saturday 23rd May, 14.00hrs (local time), Thunderbird Stadium, Vancouver

USA v Ireland, Sunday 31st May, 14.00hrs (local rime), Buckshaw Stadium, Santa Clara, California








IRELAND 'A' Squad (Churchill Cup 2009)
John Andress (Exeter Chiefs) *

Neil Best (Northampton Saints)

Isaac Boss (Ballymena/Ulster)

Tony Buckley (Shannon/Munster)

Fionn Carr (Galwegians/Connacht)*

Sean Cronin (Buccaneers/Connacht)*

James Downey (Northampton Saints) *

Dennis Fogarty (Cork Constitution/Munster)*

Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)*

Chris Henry (Ballymena/Ulster)*

Trevor Hogan (Blackrock College/Leinster)

Denis Hurley (Cork Constitution/Munster)*

Felix Jones (Seapoint/Leinster)*

Simon Keogh (Old Belvedere/Leinster)*

Keith Matthews (Buccaneers/Connacht)*

Fergus McFadden (UCD/Leinster)*

John Muldoon (Buccaneers/Connacht)* Captain

Frank Murphy (Buccaneers/Connacht)*

Johne Murphy (Leicester Tigers)*

Sean O'Brien (Clontarf/Leinster)*

Niall O'Connor (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)*

Ed O'Donoghue (Instonians/Ulster)*

Niall Ronan (Shannon/Munster)*

Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)

Jonathan Sexton (St.Mary’s College/Leinster)*

Devon Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster)*

Bryan Young (Ballymena/Ulster)
N.B. *Denotes uncapped at full international level
Ireland Churchill Cup Schedule
Ireland A v Canada, Wednesday 10th June, 16.30hrs (local time), Infinity Park, Glendale, Colorado

Georgia v Ireland A, Sunday 14th June, 15.30hrs (local time) Infinity Park, Glendale, Colorado

Finals Day, Sunday 21st June, Dicks Sporting Goods park, Denver, Colorado


Why in Gods name is Cian Healy going to the Churchil cup?
This is the 21 year old who beasted John Hayes,I dont understand that decision.

MG

Would be easier to see if they gave a list of whio was left out.

Humphreys anyway.

Diom

Muldoon, Matthews and Cronin are in both squads! Strange.

Keatley and Niall O Connor are the 10s for the full squad...

Robbo

No sign of Brett Wilkinson at all?

I thought it was nailed on that he'd be blooded in one of the squads this summer.

shoutman

Glad that they went for youth, for the most part.

Strange that Healy is only in the chuchill cup squad, that said he might be able to stand out more.
Also Keatley ahead of Sexton is an interesting one....

anonymous_joe

What's the deal with Wallace and Humphreys? Injured?

TarfHead

Kathryn Rotten Abacus wrote: »

Why in Gods name is Cian Healy going to the Churchil cup?
This is the 21 year old who beasted John Hayes,I dont understand that decision.

That was my first reaction. Then it occurred to me that maybe DK wants the same squad for both full internationals. As Healy will be otherwise engaged on the day they play Canada, he's off to Denver instead.

Ditto for Jonathan Sexton.

suppafly

its a pity its so early and not later in june, as I'm going be over there in california then, would have been cool to go to the game cuz its only 30mins from where i'll be staying.

Chucky the tree

shoutman wrote: »

Glad that they went for youth, for the most part.

Strange that Healy is only in the chuchill cup squad, that said he might be able to stand out more.
Also Keatley ahead of Sexton is an interesting one....

The matches against USA and canada clash with the HEC final so all Leicester and Leinster players arent available, that why Sexton and Keatley are in the CC squad. I'd say if everyone was available Sexton and Healey would be getting in the full team and keatley in the CC team.

LeeroyJones

Do remember than no Leinster, Leicester or Northampton player can be involved in the Full Internationals

Podge_irl

shoutman wrote: »

Strange that Healy is only in the chuchill cup squad, that said he might be able to stand out more.
Also Keatley ahead of Sexton is an interesting one....

Neither Sexton or Healy (or any Leinster player for that matter) are available for the full tour because of the HEC final. Both would be first choice if they were available I imagine - i'd be shocked if both don't get capped in the autumn.

Thought Carr would have been worth a punt in the full squad tbh. Ridiculous that he is behind Hurley.

danthefan

Podge_irl wrote: »

Neither Sexton or Healy (or any Leinster player for that matter) are available for the full tour because of the HEC final. Both would be first choice if they were available I imagine - i'd be shocked if both don't get capped in the autumn.

Thought Carr would have been worth a punt in the full squad tbh. Ridiculous that he is behind Hurley.

Carr has scored 11 tries this season when you count ML and Challenge Cup, which is really excellent. Shouldn't be behind some of those players.

smurphy29

Andrew Trimble not selected? Paddy Wallace?

LeeroyJones

smurphy29 wrote: »

Andrew Trimble not selected? Paddy Wallace?

Trimbles injured. Not sure about Paddy Wallace, he was injured, but i don't remember it been a serious one

anonymous_joe

smurphy29 wrote: »

Andrew Trimble not selected? Paddy Wallace?

Humphreys too. Can only wonder at the exclusion of the Ulster lads.