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irish citizenship/naturalisation
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19-04-2009 7:49pm#1
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Hi,
Thank you everyone for honest infos here.
I still have some questions to ask you guys. So..
I am a citizen of EU (latvia), but I really love Ireland and Irish people and I want to become an Irish citizen through naturalisation. I came to Ireland in June or July 2004. I've been living and legally working continuously for the past 6 years in Ireland. And I still do work.
The thing is that I threw away or lost my P60 and my bank statements for the year 2004, and my P21/P60 for the years 2005/2006 are in terrible condition (torn). I do not have my bank statements for the year 2004, 2005. I also changed A LOT of places where I lived and I don't think I can prove that I've lived on those addresses- because it says that I need 3 types of prove of addresses I lived in. Another thing is that I was born in the Soviet Union which, unfortunately, doesn't NOT EXIST enymore!:( and my name in my current latvian passport is different from my real name in my soviet Birth certificate because of language differences! I'd also like to keep my real name which is in my original Birth cert. but not like it is in my current latvian passport.
And finally maybe anyone can recommend a solicitor which can go through the whole process of Naturalisation for me? and how much would that cost?
Thank you so much:pac:0 -
Hi,
Thank you everyone for honest infos here.
I still have some questions to ask you guys. So..
I am a citizen of EU (latvia), but I really love Ireland and Irish people and I want to become an Irish citizen through naturalisation. I came to Ireland in June or July 2004. I've been living and legally working continuously for the past 6 years in Ireland. And I still do work.
The thing is that I threw away or lost my P60 and my bank statements for the year 2004, and my P21/P60 for the years 2005/2006 are in terrible condition (torn). I do not have my bank statements for the year 2004, 2005. I also changed A LOT of places where I lived and I don't think I can prove that I've lived on those addresses- because it says that I need 3 types of prove of addresses I lived in. Another thing is that I was born in the Soviet Union which, unfortunately, doesn't NOT EXIST enymore!
and my name in my current latvian passport is different from my real name in my soviet Birth certificate because of language differences! I'd also like to keep my real name which is in my original Birth cert. but not like it is in my current latvian passport.
And finally maybe anyone can recommend a solicitor which can go through the whole process of Naturalisation for me? and how much would that cost?
Thank you so much
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I have to hand it to you for a literal lol on this end.Carawaystick wrote: »Yeah, if the minister for Finance doesn't have bank accounts, how do they expect joe soap to have one.....
Personally, I agree with Dandelion6 on this aspect. Once you are from the EU, here legally, there is no reason you shouldn't be able to deal with your embassy or the immigrant council support services to have this clarified for you. I don't really see a reason for you to get a solicitor based on the info you've given here.The.Russian.one wrote: »Hi,
Thank you everyone for honest infos here.
I still have some questions to ask you guys. So..
I am a citizen of EU (latvia), but I really love Ireland and Irish people and I want to become an Irish citizen through naturalisation. I came to Ireland in June or July 2004. I've been living and legally working continuously for the past 6 years in Ireland. And I still do work. The thing is that I threw away or lost my P60 and my bank statements for the year 2004, and my P21/P60 for the years 2005/2006 are in terrible condition (torn). I do not have my bank statements for the year 2004, 2005. I also changed A LOT of places where I lived and I don't think I can prove that I've lived on those addresses- because it says that I need 3 types of prove of addresses I lived in. Another thing is that I was born in the Soviet Union which, unfortunately, doesn't NOT EXIST enymore! and my name in my current latvian passport is different from my real name in my soviet Birth certificate because of language differences! I'd also like to keep my real name which is in my original Birth cert. but not like it is in my current latvian passport.
And finally maybe anyone can recommend a solicitor which can go through the whole process of Naturalisation for me? and how much would that cost?
Thank you so much
As for your name, I'm honestly not sure what the provisions regarding names are, but I'd imagine that an Anglicised version of your name would suffice (if you mean your name is on your birth cert in русский язык form?).0 -
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The citizenship process has my husband and I stuck between a rock and a hard place
He's American, he's been living here for 8 years and we've been married for 3 years. He applied for citizenship over 2 years ago.
I understand that it takes 2 years or more for the paperwork to be processed and such (although when my mother-in-law applied circa 2001 she had it in 3 months, not sure what their malfunction is these days), but when he called recently to check the status of his application he was told that as he is now unemployed that will go against him when he is being considered for citizenship.
Anyone else think that this is absolute BS?
He worked for 6 of the 8 years he's been living here, and we are both currently unemployed because of circumstances out of our control. Our attempts to find work have been unsuccessful, and there's nothing we can do about it. I'm sure that some of you can understand that.
I know that they cannot deport him as he is married to me, but in the grander scheme of things this is really holding us both back. Realistically, we have no future in this country. It's ****ed up beyond all recognition at this point. We've searched for work, and we continue to do so but to no avail. Now, failing that, the best solution that we have come to is that we both need to further our education. Unfortunately Ireland does not offer courses that cater for our specific areas, so if things don't pick up here we may need to go abroad in order to become more employable.
Without his citizenship status in Ireland it will prove difficult for us to both work and study in other EU countries. What I mean is, for a period of time I may have to work or do a course in one country while he works or does a course in another country, and we cannot do that with his residential status. We both lived in the UK for a while, he was able to work there because I was living there also, but had I not been living there he would have had to acquire a work visa to stay in the country, and they can be very hard to come by these days. Therefore, my right as an EU citizen for me and my family to live and work freely in any EU country is being denied.
I realise that the state has clamped down on deportation and giving out citizenship etc., but is there anything we can do, or anyone we can speak to, to make them understand that our circumstances in Ireland are unlikely to change whether or not he is granted citizenship? It is actually in the state's best interest to grant him citizenship so that we can leave and no longer be a 'burden' on the state. We no longer have any opportunities here. A couple of years ago we did, but given the economic crisis and such, everything has changed.
As far as I'm concerned he is absolutely entitled to citizenship, he has been living here for more than 5 years, he's lived here legally from day one, was employed for the vast majority of time he's spent here, paid his taxes, has no criminal record here or in the US and is married to an Irish national. Apparently these things aren't enough anymore. Christ, he's even got a Cork accent!
I feel like I'd be better off talking to a brick wall than to some of the people we've dealt with regarding this.
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.0 -
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@blueythebear: I've looked for information on the self sufficiency policy that you mentioned. I can find no information about it at all. My husband spoke to the INIS yesterday, and he was told by them that no such policy exists. I am aware that the Minister for Justice makes the ultimate decision, and I know that he probably just randomly stamps each application with 'Accepted' or 'Denied'. Just hoping we get lucky in that respect. With regards to encounters with the Gardaí, that's not something we have to worry about. The only contact we've had with the Gardaí in years is when we called them to make noise complaints about the parties our upstairs neighbours had
@Dandelion6: On Monday we spoke to a TD who deals with immigration on a regular basis, and he assured us that they cannot deport someone on the grounds of denial of citizenship when the applicant is married to an Irish national and already holds a valid certificate of registration. When speaking to the INIS yesterday, we were told again by them that deportation is highly unlikely, unless in the case of some sort of serious legal proceeding. Deportation isn't something I'm worried about, so please don't attempt to make it something for me to worry about.
@Wisco: Thanks for your input! He currently has a stamp 4 with almost 3 years left on it. When it's within 6 months of expiration he will apply for a stamp 5, unless we get lucky and his citizenship is approved. Good luck with your application too
He had applied for citizenship on the merit that he had been here for more than 5 years, because at the time of application we hadn't been married for 3 years yet. When we spoke to a TD and a surprisingly helpful INIS employee over the last couple of days, we were told that it would be better to now have the application amended so that he is applying under the merit of being married to an Irish national. We were told by the INIS yesterday that when applying under that merit, they don't take work, tax or social welfare history into consideration, and the process is faster as it is done by another department and less applications are made on this merit. We are in the process of gathering the additional documents required for this, so hopefully this will go a bit better.
I don't really know who to believe, and no offence to those of you who have replied without confirming your claims, but I am more inclined to believe our TD and the INIS itself than people on the internet who cannot source their claims. Please don't reply again regarding my posts unless you have useful information that you can prove is true, and/or are speaking from personal experience having gone through the citizenship application process. If any of you can back up your claims, I will of course take them seriously, but as of now I can't find anything that determines there's any truth to what you say. You have to understand that it's never a good idea to just take someone's word for it with regards to this sort of process, and I'm hardly being unreasonable in asking for confirmation that what you say is true in the event that I cannot find confirmation myself that it is indeed factual.0 -
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@blueythebear: I've looked for information on the self sufficiency policy that you mentioned. I can find no information about it at all. My husband spoke to the INIS yesterday, and he was told by them that no such policy exists. I am aware that the Minister for Justice makes the ultimate decision, and I know that he probably just randomly stamps each application with 'Accepted' or 'Denied'. Just hoping we get lucky in that respect. With regards to encounters with the Gardaí, that's not something we have to worry about. The only contact we've had with the Gardaí in years is when we called them to make noise complaints about the parties our upstairs neighbours had
@Dandelion6: On Monday we spoke to a TD who deals with immigration on a regular basis, and he assured us that they cannot deport someone on the grounds of denial of citizenship when the applicant is married to an Irish national and already holds a valid certificate of registration. When speaking to the INIS yesterday, we were told again by them that deportation is highly unlikely, unless in the case of some sort of serious legal proceeding. Deportation isn't something I'm worried about, so please don't attempt to make it something for me to worry about.
@Wisco: Thanks for your input! He currently has a stamp 4 with almost 3 years left on it. When it's within 6 months of expiration he will apply for a stamp 5, unless we get lucky and his citizenship is approved. Good luck with your application too
He had applied for citizenship on the merit that he had been here for more than 5 years, because at the time of application we hadn't been married for 3 years yet. When we spoke to a TD and a surprisingly helpful INIS employee over the last couple of days, we were told that it would be better to now have the application amended so that he is applying under the merit of being married to an Irish national. We were told by the INIS yesterday that when applying under that merit, they don't take work, tax or social welfare history into consideration, and the process is faster as it is done by another department and less applications are made on this merit. We are in the process of gathering the additional documents required for this, so hopefully this will go a bit better.
I don't really know who to believe, and no offence to those of you who have replied without confirming your claims, but I am more inclined to believe our TD and the INIS itself than people on the internet who cannot source their claims. Please don't reply again regarding my posts unless you have useful information that you can prove is true, and/or are speaking from personal experience having gone through the citizenship application process. If any of you can back up your claims, I will of course take them seriously, but as of now I can't find anything that determines there's any truth to what you say. You have to understand that it's never a good idea to just take someone's word for it with regards to this sort of process, and I'm hardly being unreasonable in asking for confirmation that what you say is true in the event that I cannot find confirmation myself that it is indeed factual.
I understand your hesitancy to believe what's written on a message board, after all, I could be a ten year old kid in Russia for all you know but on the other hand, why turn to a message board for advice if you're not willing to accept what was said? I've no problem in verifying what I've said if you want to PM me.
As regards the self sufficiency policy, it is not written down anywhere as it is merely a policy and not a rule. As such it is not gospel that an application will fail where a person availed of Social Welfare but it is treated very seriously indeed. I would also reiterate that the Minister for Justice and Law Reform has absolute discretion in Citizenship applications and there have been unreported High Court cases that have confirmed as much in the past 2 years.0 -
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