Animal Testing

dublinario

Is animal testing acceptable? Or should science be left to scientists? Just because you can teach an Orangutan to light a Bunsen burner, it doesn't mean he understands the nuances of the experiment.

Discuss.

My name is URL

Guinea Pigs require less direction and don't fall over as easily

dublinario

Upward Spiral wrote: »

Guinea Pigs require less direction and don't fall over as easily

True, but I've found them to be sketchy on the laws of thermodynamics. Plus, they can't take a punch, and I operate a very volatile lab.

alexandros

dublinario wrote: »

Is animal testing acceptable? Or should science be left to scientists? Just because you can teach an Orangutan to light a Bunsen burner, it doesn't mean he understands the nuances of the experiment.

Discuss.

Are we talking about about testing drugs on animals... or just fcuking with them??

live2thewire

alexandros wrote: »

Are we talking about about testing drugs on animals... or just fcuking them??

:eek:

TheInquisitor

The more apes we disect and kill the less chance they'll have of TAKING OVER THE WORLD as seen in such documentaries as "Planet of the Apes", also we will find better ways of killing them all such as biological agents muhahahahahahaahahah

VICTORY TO HUMANS!

Mr.Lizard

I think it's wrong to test on animals. After all these products are intended to eventually be used by humans, so why not just get right to the source?

There's plenty of lazy dole scrougers out there who'd be ideal candidates for product testing specifically items that will be sprayed in their eyes. But I draw the line on making them test new forms of alcohol. I'm not totally heartless.

biko

Human slaves in an insect nation
Aa-a-a-a-aaa!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IbyWxEq-0c

gurramok

Can of worms this topic is.

Test the stuff on willing humans first, it will make the experimenters do it right first time to get successful results instead of using animals who can't talk back suffer.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Just don't infect them with rage :eek:

I've no real problem with medical testing on animals, I'm sure more or less every medication from anti-depressants to heart medication to cough syrup has probably been tested on them at some point (including some diabetes medication used by a fairly high up member of PETA if I remember correctly). But there does seem to be a lot of...questionable experiments carried out that don't seem to have any realy benefit, or none that could justify the cruelty. I'm still a bit dodgy about that mouse with an ear growing out its back for instance.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

TheInquisitor wrote: »

The more apes we disect and kill the less chance they'll have of TAKING OVER THE WORLD as seen in such documentaries as "Planet of the Apes", also we will find better ways of killing them all such as biological agents muhahahahahahaahahah

VICTORY TO HUMANS!

Go for the chickens, there's more chickens in the world than people, imagine if they all started being mean at the same time?!?! The pecking we'd get!!

TheInquisitor

Eliseo Brave Teetotaler wrote: »

Go for the chickens, there's more chickens in the world than people, imagine if they all started being mean at the same time?!?! The pecking we'd get!!

Oh god no i forgot about the chickens and after watching that bill bailey song im really worried about insects too

On a more serious note ive no problem with animal testing....anything to piss off those PETA nuts to be honest! Seeing their crazy reactions is just plain hilarious! Also they kill more animals than anyone could imagine!

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petasdirtysecret.cfm

Overheal

I lived with a PETA nut once.... don't advise. Eat mor chikin'.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

I just remembered a conversation I had years ago with some hippie who was more or less claiming that if everyone smoked weed there'd be no need for animal testing anymore. Can't remember quite exactly how he had it worked out but **** me it made a lot of sense at the time. I think it the most hippiest thing I've ever heard anyone say though

nlgbbbblth

most animals are pricks.

so test away.

Biggins

I say capture a few modern pirates and test the drugs on them instead!

Fad

Animal testing FTW basically.

Also isnt it illegal to trade a drug that hasnt been tested on animals here? So the morality is a bit of a non issue, it has to be done, just try and make it less cruel?

(Wait this is AH)


Pump the zebras up with panadol and chairs

What?

dublinario

I just think it's flat out wrong to train animals to work long hours in laboratory environments, when their meagre brains have no grasp on the precepts of science.

Fine, you've trained a baboon that can rig a bunch of test tubes into some manner of salt distiller, or you have a Golden Labrador that can operate a crude Vandograph Generator. But did you ever stop to think about whether you should be exploiting the animals in that way? Animal testing is wrong.

Science is for scientists. Sniffing butts and eating one's own vomit and faeces, is for animals. So please, let's do what we're good at, and leave animals to their island of expertise (butt sniffing; vomit/faeces nibbling).

GuanYin

dublinario wrote: »

Is animal testing acceptable? Or should science be left to scientists? Just because you can teach an Orangutan to light a Bunsen burner, it doesn't mean he understands the nuances of the experiment.

Discuss.

I think animral testing is very, very unfair.
Without opposable thumbs they can't hold the pencil.

Overheal

GuanYin wrote: »

I think animral testing is very, very unfair.
Without opposable thumbs they can't hold the pencil.

They can circle in the answer sheet with feces..

alexandros

I personally prefer they test drugs on animals as opposed to humans.
We have enough rEdArtz on the planet as it is.
(mainly due to inbreeding)
For example: 50% of the population in the southern half of the US.
(take no offense to this Overheal.. I've spent a lot of time down there)

Besides.. these animals have been specifically bred for testing.
And I know that doesn't make it ok -but if you are going to complain about that.. you would also need to complain about the meat industry as well.

You shouldn't complain about animal testing unless you are a vegan that wears clothes & shoes made only from hemp.

My opinion on the subject is biased.. but I can't talk about that.

Pete P Peterson

Testing animals keeps them on their toes. Do you think Flipper would have saved those kids caught in the cave with the rising tide, had he not been able to push himself to his limits? No! Flipper's skills come from years of self-discipline and rigourous training.
Once a month I like to test my dog, Biggles, by waking him up at 5 a.m., taking him on a 20 mile run without food or drink, and then maybe waterboarding him for an hour or two, if the mood strikes me. You should see this boy afterwards. We haven't seen a stray cat in our neighbourhood for six years. That's what testing animals gets you.

galwayrush

No Contest, the Dolphins will win.;)

sofa kingcool

it is wrong to use those weaker than ourselves as tools or models..

sofa kingcool

sofa kingcool wrote: »

it is wrong to use those weaker than ourselves as tools or models..

Bears are fine though.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

And chickens

sofa kingcool

Dónal wrote: »

Bears are fine though.

you obviously are too small minded to comprehend that by saying "weak" it can be in many senses...a bears mind is not as complex as ours ,therefore we have an advantage .. and the fact that we have a more complex mind than non human animals means that we can understand things like compassion and ration...

Fad

sofa kingcool wrote: »

it is wrong to use those weaker than ourselves as tools or models..

Go back to PETA *Glares*

Eoin

How would you test pet food without animal testing?

Borneo Fnctn

If there's a scientific advancement to be made, fair enough. If there's a possibility of an advancement being made, fair enough. Animals are fair game in my opinion.

KeyLimePie

testing on animals is a good thing.

Borneo Fnctn

sofa kingcool wrote: »

it is wrong to use those weaker than ourselves as tools or models..

So hypothetically if a cure for cancer could be found by studying and testing on animals, you wouldn't use it? Animals have been killed for worse things. What about fat arseholes needlessly stuffing their faces with KFC? I know the animal can be put through allot of pain but look at bullfighting and other such sports. I know you don't advocate bullfighting but the point I'm making is that there are worse things than animal testing. It's never deliberate cruelty. It's a necessary evil.

vibe666

sofa kingcool wrote: »

you obviously are too small minded to comprehend that by saying "weak" it can be in many senses...a bears mind is not as complex as ours ,therefore we have an advantage .. and the fact that we have a more complex mind than non human animals means that we can understand things like compassion and ration...

oh dear, and it seems you missed the whole point of the thread. :rolleyes:

i think they should do more animal testing for makeup, after all animals have the right to look pretty too.

animal athletes should all be tested for performance enhancing drugs too, some of those feckers are just waaay too fast for it to be natural.

Overheal

sofa kingcool wrote: »

you obviously are too small minded to comprehend that by saying "weak" it can be in many senses...a bears mind is not as complex as ours ,therefore we have an advantage .. and the fact that we have a more complex mind than non human animals means that we can understand things like compassion and ration...

Have you ever seen a bear open up a jar of mayonnaise and lick it dry? I don't think they need to be in special education or anything - they seem incredibly clever and highly intelligent. Keep in mind (nay - bear it mind) that bears didnt invent the jar, and nobody showed them how to use it. They just figure these things out. Meanwhile my dog wont stop chasing the laser and ****ting in his own bed.

arybvtcw0eolkf

alexandros wrote: »

Are we talking about about testing drugs on animals... ??

How about testing drugs on spiders?.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc

:P

galwayrush

KeyLimePie wrote: »

testing on animals is a good thing.

Testing on PETA members would be even more enjoyable.:rolleyes:

concussion

"Dont be fooled Timmy, if the cow had a chance he'd kill you and everyone you love."

midlandsmissus

jackpalance wrote: »

So hypothetically if a cure for cancer could be found by studying and testing on animals, you wouldn't use it? Animals have been killed for worse things. What about fat arseholes needlessly stuffing their faces with KFC? I know the animal can be put through allot of pain but look at bullfighting and other such sports. I know you don't advocate bullfighting but the point I'm making is that there are worse things than animal testing. It's never deliberate cruelty. It's a necessary evil.

Hi, well as a vegetarian, I don't participate in killing animals.

AS a fact of the matter do you know exactly what goes on in animal testing?? I can accept at this stage that we have to do it for medical testing until further advancements are made.

But for cosmetic testing there is absolutely no need for the lengths they go to...dripping shampoo into their eyes etc. Thankfully cosmetic animal testing is looking at facing a full ban soon.
Hopefully we will be able to wipe out medicinal animal testing soon aswell.

dublinario

concussion wrote: »

"Dont be fooled Timmy, if the cow had a chance he'd kill you and everyone you love."

It's so true. Cows are smarter than they look. They're just biding their time, watching humanity slowly tear itself apart, waiting until we're at our weakest, and then KABOOM!!! That's when they start producing sour milk. To kick us while we're down.

Capt'n Midnight

eoin wrote: »

How would you test pet food without animal testing?

http://www.peta.org.uk/feat/non_tested_companion_animal_food.asp
We have compiled a list of companies that do not test their pet food on animals :rolleyes:

Ami
02392 45 33 55
www.aminews.co.uk
(vegetarian/vegan food, available in the UK from www.veggiepets.com)


Applaws Natural Cat & Dog Food
08707 508606
www.applaws.co.uk

Barker & Barker
01253 811887
www.dogtraininginfo.co.uk
(includes vegetarian dog treats)


Benevo
02392 45 33 55
www.benevo.com
(vegetarian/vegan food, available in the UK from www.veggiepets.com)

Burns Pet Nutrition Ltd
01554 890482
www.burns-pet-nutrition.co.uk


Cambrian Pet Foods Ltd
01559 384216
www.gelert-petnutrition.co.uk

CLINIVET ® Nutrition
028 9447 3840
www.clinivet.com


The Co-operative Food
www.co-operative.co.uk

CSJ Specialist Canine Feeds
01745 710470
www.csjk9.com


Europa Pet Foods
0845 658 0987
www.europa-pet-food.co.uk

Feelwell's
0870 977 0044
www.feelwells.co.uk


Forthglade Ltd
01837 83322
www.forthglade.co.uk

Fromm and Eagle Pack
01531 633985
www.postalpetsproducts.co.uk


Haith's
0800 298 7054
www.haiths.com
(bird food)

Harlequin Nutrition Ltd
08700 421 014
www.natures-harvest.org
www.bertiescomplete.co.uk


Healthy Paws
0151 931 3336
www.healthypaws.co.uk

Land of Holistic Pets Ltd
0845 373 4120
www.landofholisticpets.co.uk


Laughing Dog
01788 810283
www.bakersmill.co.uk

Lily's Kitchen
0845 680 5459
www.lilyskitchen.co.uk


Mark and Chappell
01582 583888
www.markandchappell.com

My Pet Foods
01227 723816
www.mypetfoods.co.uk
(rabbit food)


Nature Diet
08700 132960
www.naturediet.co.uk

Organipets
0845 3880935
www.organipets.co.uk


Pero Pet Foods
0800 917 9697
www.pero-petfood.co.uk

Pooch & Mutt
020 8133 7667
www.poochandmutt.com


Roger Skinner Limited
01379 384 247
www.skinnerspetfoods.co.uk

Solid Gold Health Products
(available in the UK from www.zooplus.co.uk)


Supreme Petfoods Limited
01473 823296
www.supremepetfoods.com
(food for rabbits and small animals)

Trophy Pet Foods
01367 240333
www.trophypetfoods.co.uk


Vitalin Pet Foods
01765 605156
www.vitalinpetfood.co.uk

Yarrah
www.yarrah.com
(vegetarian/vegan dog food which can be ordered in the UK from their Netherlands-based website)

Slidey

concussion wrote: »

"Dont be fooled Timmy, if the cow had a chance he'd kill you and everyone you love."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

c0rk3r

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I can accept at this stage that we have to do it for medical testing until further advancements are made.

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Hopefully we will be able to wipe out medicinal animal testing soon aswell.

A little confusion there.

Animal testing is essential in clinical trials and a key part in getting a drug on the market. Without the testing we would not be able to continue onto the next phase. Regardless of the human (ie.people wanting to test those of a lower socio-economic background) we still hold our lives above those of animals. So the next time you have a headache and take despirin thank animal testing or when you have a psychotic episode and need drugs to curve/ inhibit the negative effects be thankful that that phthalimide drug was tested on animals. Or aids/cancer/ high cholestrol etc etc etc.

Animal testing... Making natural selection that much harder

Borneo Fnctn

midlandsmissus wrote: »

But for cosmetic testing there is absolutely no need for the lengths they go to...dripping shampoo into their eyes etc. Thankfully cosmetic animal testing is looking at facing a full ban soon.
aswell.

I totally agree. I think it's shameful that this goes on.

Hopefully we will be able to wipe out medicinal animal testing soon

Hopefully not!!! The progress that has been made in medicine from animal testing is staggering. Look at the use of primates in AIDS research. You probably don't realize how important animal testing is in medicine. Bear in mind that the animals chosen in research are given anasthetic wherever possible.

TheInquisitor

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

http://www.peta.org.uk/feat/non_tested_companion_animal_food.asp
We have compiled a list of companies that do not test their pet food on animals :rolleyes:

A valid point, but i don't really care! Animals need to bow to their SUPREME HUMAN OVERLORDS!

Also anything that Peta say i do the opposite....

"Don't hurt animals".....

Eat animals ....they taste goooooooood!:p

me-skywalker

animals arent testing.. they are cute and fluffy and cuddly nad nice a round and RARRRRRRR

dublinario

TheInquisitor wrote: »

Eat animals ....they taste goooooooood!:p

Not all animals taste good. Platypus for example, is chewy and bland. Platypus cub on the other hand, mmm, mmm, mmm. You really want to be getting your teeth into it right after it hatches from the egg, opening its eyes for the first time and thinking your approaching jaw is its mommy. To repeat: mmm, mmm, mmm.

TheInquisitor

dublinario wrote: »

Not all animals taste good. Platypus for example, is chewy and bland. Platypus cub on the other hand, mmm, mmm, mmm. You really want to be getting your teeth into it right after it hatches from the egg, opening its eyes for the first time and thinking your approaching jaw is its mommy. To repeat: mmm, mmm, mmm.

You are a genius, i bow in humility

ScumLord

TheInquisitor wrote: »

Eat animals ....they taste goooooooood!:p

Just make sure you kill and cook them first.

dublinario

ScumLord wrote: »

Just make sure you kill and cook them first.

Just cook them to save time. If you're using a good heat, generally the cooking will take care of the killing. If it doesn't, you'd want to consider using more heat.

TheInquisitor

For all those sheep lovers out there i have a piece of advise...If after having "loved" the sheep you are worried about people finding out, cook and eat the evidence!

dublinario

TheInquisitor wrote: »

For all those sheep lovers out there i have a piece of advise...If after having "loved" the sheep you are worried about people finding out, cook and eat the evidence!

I never recommend "loving" sheep. Where's the challenge? Hike into the Alaskan wilderness wearing naught but a tong, and try to "love" a half-tonne grizzly bear. That's what really separates the men from the boys.