Next Generation IPhone to take on NFC cashless technology.

Run_to_da_hills

Not alone can NFC phones track you as you travel through cell site analysis, they will also track, log and time ALL your future cashless purchasing habits.

Because of the cult popularity of the IPhone it will rapidly introduce and push foreword this relatively new form of cashless technology into the Western world. Nokia will no doubt follow up immediatly in their competing N and other series.

I mentioned this in a previous thread some months back that it will only take a "state of the art" phone full of all the "bells & whistles" push this technology through. It will be heavily subsidised by service providers and financial institutes. Every one will want one.

NFC has been used in the far east for a number of years but has been rather slow to take off and is currently marketed in the 6131 NFC handset. http://europe.nokia.com/A4307094

http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/03/25/is-wave-to-pay-coming-to-the-iphone/

MobiFrance video on IFone NFC Prototype making cashless payments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RllrWcFhOw

More information on NFC Phones.
http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=633

Jimkel

So what, a new toy for geeks and techheads, I wont be buying one.

Veni Vedi Vici

Jimkel wrote: »

So what, a new toy for geeks and techheads, I wont be buying one.

I believe RTDH was imlplying more than the notion of 'new toys'. Do you not see the negative effects this could have on our civil liberties?

Jimkel

I assume he was implying some grand scheme by them against us or something to that effect.

Jimkel

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Because of the cult popularity of the IPhone it will rapidly introduce and push foreword this relatively new form of cashless technology into the Western world. Nokia will no doubt follow up immediatly in their N90 and other series.

A bit of a jump there, are you saying you can predic the future?

Veni Vedi Vici

Jimkel wrote: »

A bit of a jump there, are you saying you can predic the future?

A prediction isn't the same as a projection or estimation. Whatever of these RTDH was inferring I will leave to him.

Run_to_da_hills

Jimkel wrote: »

A bit of a jump there, are you saying you can predic the future?

Apple masterminded the "touch" screen Iphone, look how quick other manufacturers were to follow.

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Apple masterminded the "touch" screen Iphone, look how quick other manufacturers were to copy.

Touch screens are a NWO scheme?
Your most laughable theory yet.

Jimkel

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Apple masterminded the "touch" screen Iphone, look how quick other manufacturers were to follow.

Whats that got to do with me asking the OP if he/she can predict the future.

Jimkel

Veni Vedi Vici wrote: »

A prediction isn't the same as a projection or estimation. Whatever of these RTDH was inferring I will leave to him.

THe language of Prediction and the language of projection are different, There was no "May" or "mights" used, it was the language of prediction.

robtri

why is this a conspiracy... a piece of technology that you choose to buy or not, has the same tracking capabiliites as a normal credit, laser card???
there is no conspiracy here,

thecommander

iPhone 3.0 wont have NFC technology built in. Non story.

Run_to_da_hills

robtri wrote: »

why is this a conspiracy... a piece of technology that you choose to buy or not, has the same tracking capabiliites as a normal credit, laser card???
there is no conspiracy here,

Its just ONE step closer towards the track n' trace cashless society as the net closes in eventually you will have no other option. London now has already got an 80% registered Ostercard population. The public were conned into this system by cheaper travell as opposed to cash. It is only a matter of time and you will not be able to purchase these tickets over the counter.

I can foresee these phones thrive with some "deal" promoted between Apple and TFL. The Sheeple would love to be seen touching in with their brand new next generation IPhones. Gordon Brown one of the chief orchestrater's of this forthcoming borderless electronic system would be Laughing as people voluntary queue up to purchase these state of the art tracking devices. :rolleyes:

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its just ONE step closer towards the track n' trace cashless society as the net closes in eventually you will have no other option.

How? Next iPhone wont have it built in, so how are you working that out?

robtri

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its just ONE step closer towards the track n' trace cashless society as the net closes in eventually you will have no other option. London now has already got an 80% registered Ostercard population. The public were conned into this system by cheaper travell as opposed to cash. It is only a matter of time and you will not be able to purchase these tickets over the counter.

still no conspiracy.... as cash is still an option... you can still pay by cash...

and considering that when asked before for any sort of evidence that cash was to be removed from society, you couldn't produce any... therefore there is no conspiracy

anyway whats the point to a cashless society... anoniminity?? but surely that argument goes to the wayside when you consider all these government run public services have CCTV and with facial recon. software even if you pay in cash they could still track you... probably raise alarm bells when cash is handed over and the cctv camera and software then does its job...

Run_to_da_hills

robtri wrote: »

still no conspiracy.... as cash is still an option... you can still pay by cash.

Not always, many services and retailers are starting to accept EFT only options, you can no longer cross the Westlink by paying cash at a toll booth. You no longer have the anomnity without your registration details being logged into a database.

Komplett do not accept cash over the counter at their pick up depot. Online credit card bookings heavily are premoted by Iarnrod Eireann and other transport companies, it won't be long before ticket booths will dissapear.

Flamed Diving

I had a dream about Steve Jobs last night. I can't remember what happened, it just dawned on me when I saw this thread.

Probably the NWO infiltrating my thoughts.

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Not always, many services and retailers are starting to accept EFT only options, you can no longer cross the Westlink by paying cash at a toll booth. You no longer have the anomnity without your registration details being logged into a database.

Komplett do not accept cash over the counter at their pick up depot. Online credit card bookings heavily are premoted by Iarnrod Eireann and other transport companies, it won't be long before ticket booths will dissapear.

You still seem to be ignoring the fact that the next gen iPhone doesn't have any of the things you claim.

humanji

This has been gone over agian and again and again. You CAN pay byt cash for the Westlink. And if you're that paranoid about it, you don't even have to use it.

Cash is not going anywhere. Not for a long long time.

Run_to_da_hills

humanji wrote: »

This has been gone over agian and again and again. You CAN pay byt cash for the Westlink. And if you're that paranoid about it, you don't even have to use it.

Cash is not going anywhere. Not for a long long time.

Read my thread again, You CANNOT pay cash at the Westlink toll plaza because the Option is GONE, end of.

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Read my thread again, You CANNOT pay cash at the Westlink toll plaza because the Option is GONE, end of.

Perhaps, but you cant use a non existent iPhone either.

6th

thecommander wrote: »

iPhone 3.0 wont have NFC technology built in. Non story.

thecommander wrote: »

How? Next iPhone wont have it built in, so how are you working that out?

thecommander wrote: »

You still seem to be ignoring the fact that the next gen iPhone doesn't have any of the things you claim.

thecommander wrote: »

Perhaps, but you cant use a non existent iPhone either.

R2dH, care to address the above point?

Run_to_da_hills

6th wrote: »

R2dH, care to address the above point?

It wont be the "IPhone 3" as this is already developed and will be released possibly by summer. I cannot see an major development in this phone other than improvements in what they already have.

Again look at the video:
"New iPhone prototype. Soon you will be able to pay with your iPhone. The apple iMoney is linked to your iTunes account"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RllrWcFhOw

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Itt wont be the IPhone 3 as this is already developed and will be released possibly by summer.

Again look at the video:
"New iPhone prototype. Soon you will be able to pay with your iPhone. The apple iMoney is linked to your iTunes account"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RllrWcFhOw

Very few details of the iPhone 3.0 hardware have been made public, so its impossible for your reporter friend have gotten his hands on the next version after that. Apple are notorious for keeping secrets.

Where did you come up with iMoney? Not even an Apple product.

iPhone 6.0 could have a smoothie maker attachment, but until I see it on an Apple website or spec sheet I call bull.

humanji

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Read my thread again, You CANNOT pay cash at the Westlink toll plaza because the Option is GONE, end of.

You can pay before hand and after IN CASH. The removal of the toll booth has nothing to do with ridding the world of money, so stop making out like it is.

Flamed Diving

thecommander wrote: »

Very few details of the iPhone 3.0 hardware have been made public, so its impossible for your reporter friend have gotten his hands on the next version after that. Apple are notorious for keeping secrets.

Where did you come up with iMoney? Not even an Apple product.

iPhone 6.0 could have a smoothie maker attachment, but until I see it on an Apple website or spec sheet I call bull.

iSmoothie

Run_to_da_hills

humanji wrote: »

You can pay before hand and after IN CASH. The removal of the toll booth has nothing to do with ridding the world of money, so stop making out like it is.

Your vehicle is on record irrespective if you pay cash before or after which is my point. You can no longer pass unanimously through the Westlink without our registration plate photographed.

robtri

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Your vehicle is on record irrespective if you pay cash before or after which is my point. You can no longer pass unanimously through the Westlink without our registration plate photographed.

which is completely unrelated to removing of cash from society....

Run_to_da_hills

robtri wrote: »

which is completely unrelated to removing of cash from society....

It one step closer to the track n' trace society associated with RFID & Smartcards which is synonymous with the removal of cash.

robtri

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It one step closer to the track n' trace society associated with RFID & Smartcards which is synonymous with the removal of cash.

no its not....

humanji

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It one step closer to the track n' trace society associated with RFID & Smartcards which is synonymous with the removal of cash.

It's one step closer in the same way that getting an internet connection is one step closer to becoming a pedophile.

Run_to_da_hills

humanji wrote: »

It's one step closer in the same way that getting an internet connection is one step closer to becoming a pedophile.

Exactly, this is why the authorities in Brussels want to pass legislation to track and store all your personal internet traffic to make sure that you are not a pedophile.

thecommander

Still has nothing to do with iPhone.

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Exactly, this is why the authorities in Brussels want to pass legislation to track and store all your personal internet traffic to make sure that you are not a pedophile.

That's not the point he was making.
Getting an internet connection does not invariable lead to you become a pedophile.

Run_to_da_hills

thecommander wrote: »

Still has nothing to do with iPhone.

Yes it has, like all forms of digital communication, EU legislation requests the retention of data. In other words when these phones are introduced all purchase records will be retained, just like any other credit /debit card transaction.

thecommander

So your admitting the video and claim isn't true?

Why, when caught out, do you change your arguement? Happens alot.

6th

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Read my thread again, You CANNOT pay cash at the Westlink toll plaza because the Option is GONE, end of.

Can you just CONFIRM that this post by you is completely WRONG?

bonkey

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Not alone can NFC phones track you as you travel through cell site analysis, they will also track, log and time ALL your future cashless purchasing habits.

No, they won't.

if I carry an NFC phone, it absolutely, categorically will not track me using my credit card to purchase something. It will not track me using my debit card to purchase something.

If, what you are saying is that "the people behind cashless systems" will track my cashless purchasing habits....well they already do so. They need to. They record the place, time, and purchase value. The latter is required for account-management. The former two are required for dealing with cases of fraud.

Move that payment system from a piece of plastic onto my phone...and gosh...nothing has changed. They still need to record where and when it was used, and for how much.

Run_to_da_hills

thecommander wrote: »

So your admitting the video and claim isn't true?

Why, when caught out, do you change your arguement? Happens alot.

I believe it is well true and only a matter of time. NFC has been used in Asia for the last few years with the Nokia 6212 and the more recent 6131. I am very surprised that this technology has been so slow to take off. Apple are not going to ignore something that could possibly boost their sales particularly if it becomes a trend.

Mobile Phone manufacturers are constantly pushing for the latest gadget to boost sales. We started with just a basic handset, then SMS, colour screen, basic games, Cam Phones, MP3. MP4, java compatibility, touch screen, music, etc.

They cannot introduce any major leap too promptly as destributers would end up stuck with current stock. We have seen the PC industry play at this game for years.

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I believe it is well true and only a matter of time. NFC has been used in Asia for the last few years with the Nokia 6212 and the more recent 6131. I am very surprised that this technology has been so slow to take off. Apple are not going to ignore something that could possibly boost their sales particularly if it becomes a trend.

Mobile Phone manufacturers are constantly pushing for the latest gadget to boost sales. We started with just a basic handset, then SMS, colour screen, basic games, Cam Phones, MP3. MP4, java compatibility, touch screen, music, etc.

They cannot introduce any major leap too promptly as destributers would end up stuck with current stock. We have seen the PC industry play at this game for years.

Ah ok, just your thread title said "Next Generation IPhone to take on NFC cashless technology". I took that as a statement, rather than a roundabout way of saying it might happen. I felt misled.

Woger

thecommander wrote: »

Ah ok, just your thread title said "Next Generation IPhone to take on NFC cashless technology". I took that as a statement, rather than a roundabout way of saying it might happen. I felt misled.

The word that launched a million posts.

Run_to_da_hills

Update: Expect these to be on the shelves by Autumn possibly in time for IPhone 5.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011/may/28/mobile-phones-cashless-society

hooradiation

That's pretty cool.

Run_to_da_hills

hooradiation wrote: »

That's pretty cool.

Cancer at 27.56 MHZ.

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its just ONE step closer towards the track n' trace cashless society as the net closes in eventually you will have no other option. London now has already got an 80% registered Ostercard population. The public were conned into this system by cheaper travell as opposed to cash. It is only a matter of time and you will not be able to purchase these tickets over the counter.

But it is cheaper - London Underground don't have to manage loads of cash. That means it's more efficient. That's one of the key reasons that the wealth of the West has exploded since the 60s - greater efficiency due to IT. It's not surprising that the public sector is gradually catching up.

Run_to_da_hills

Monty Burnz wrote: »

But it is cheaper - London Underground don't have to manage loads of cash. That means it's more efficient. That's one of the key reasons that the wealth of the West has exploded since the 60s - greater efficiency due to IT. It's not surprising that the public sector is gradually catching up.

But with all this all the authorities need to do is to contact your service provider for transactions and transit movements if they suspect you are out of line. Everything is becoming more transparent.

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

But with all this all the authorities need to do is to contact your service provider for transactions and transit movements if they suspect you are out of line. Everything is becoming more transparent.

They have the information, but it's no use to them. They may have the data, but they can't make any use of it - what will they do with it, and where will the manpower come from? On the other hand, it would be pretty handing for solving crimes - if they have legal permission to use the data.

I really don't think the British government cares where Joe Bloggs is going day to day. And if they really want to track you, they could and would use other means anyway.

Run_to_da_hills

Monty Burnz wrote: »

They have the information, but it's no use to them. They may have the data, but they can't make any use of it - what will they do with it, and where will the manpower come from? On the other hand, it would be pretty handing for solving crimes - if they have legal permission to use the data.

I really don't think the British government cares where Joe Bloggs is going day to day. And if they really want to track you, they could and would use other means anyway.

NFC / RFID phones will leave digital prints on every item purchased or transit turnstile that is tagged with.

All this information must be stored under the 2006 EU data retention for two years and can be accessed as evidence or used by the authorities should they need it. If they a a tip off about someone they can flag their account and track them live on the system.

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

NFC / RFID phones will leave digital prints on every item purchased or transit turnstile that is tagged with.

All this information must be stored under the 2006 EU data retention for two years and can be accessed as evidence or used by the authorities should they need it. If they a a tip off about someone they can flag their account and track them live on the system.

Fine with me if they do. They aren't going to watch everybody - the resources aren't there. They can't even track the actual criminals and terrorists.

Run_to_da_hills

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Fine with me if they do. They aren't going to watch everybody - the resources aren't there. They can't even track the actual criminals and terrorists.

They don't need to watch anyone at all, its just the vast amount of personal information that can be built up and held at their disposal.

robtri

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

They don't need to watch anyone at all, its just the vast amount of personal information that can be built up and held at their disposal.

technically using public transport isnt personal information....