Irishman Killed During Bolivian President Assassination Attempt

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LA PAZ (Reuters) - Bolivian security forces thwarted an assassination plot against President Evo Morales on Thursday, killing three people in a half-hour shootout at a hotel, government and police officials said.


Police chief Hugo Escobar said two Hungarians and a Bolivian, who were believed to be part of a conspiracy to kill Morales, were killed in the gunfight in the eastern Bolivian city of Santa Cruz, an opposition stronghold.


Morales, a socialist, is Bolivia's first indigenous president and has faced strong opposition in relatively wealthy regions of the country, including Santa Cruz. Morales was not in Santa Cruz at the time of the incident shortly after midnight local time.


Speaking later on Thursday during a visit to Venezuela, Morales said an Irish person may have been among what he called foreign mercenaries involved in the suspected plot. Government officials said authorities had recently been following the suspects.


"Yesterday I gave instructions to the vice president to move to arrest these mercenaries and this morning I was informed of a half-hour shootout at a hotel in the city of Santa Cruz," Morales said, adding two people were under arrest.


There was confusion regarding the nationalities of the foreigners killed. While the chief of police said two of those killed were from Hungary, several local media organizations reported they were from Romania and Ireland.


In La Paz, Bolivian Vice President Alvaro Garcia told reporters the men were carrying guns and grenades and attacked police as they approached them.
He said that after the shootout, police found documents "about preparations for an assassination, an attempt on the lives of the president and the vice president."


Heavily armed police cordoned off the hotel where the shootout occurred.
Morales has announced several plots against him in the past but the results of investigations have never been released, causing some Bolivians to doubt their veracity.


Last year, right-wing opposition groups launched violent protests against a referendum promoted by Morales that gives more power to the indigenous majority.


Morales expelled the U.S. ambassador to Bolivia in September, accusing him of encouraging the protests in a bid to oust him.
The president ended a five-day hunger strike on Tuesday after lawmakers passed an electoral law that creates more seats in indigenous areas where his support is strongest. Morales had stopped eating to pressure legislators to pass the law.


Critics say the law tilts the electoral odds in his favor before a December presidential election the former coca farmer is expected to win.

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mick.fr

Too bad he won't get his paycheck.
Now this is US footprint, period.

johnny_knoxvile

Intially reports is the gunman was brendan kilkenny, the recession forced him to give up singing "how much is that doggy in the window" and become a hired gun.

me_right_one

Seriously, does anyone know who he was? WTF was he doing?????

Heisenberg.

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mike65

Mad Mike Hoare wouldn't have been caught out like that.

crushproof

Michael Martin Dwyer....according to the Budapest Post.

Very very odd I must say, mystery as to why he was there!

Nodin

crushproof wrote: »

Michael Martin Dwyer....according to the Budapest Post.

Very very odd I must say, mystery as to why he was there!

Stranger still, in that must of the trouble makers fellows we've sent to the region over the last few decades have been left wingers....

BigCon

25 yr old Irishman, bolivian tv report here NSFW
http://www.budapesttimes.hu/content/view/11706/219/

flanzer

BigCon wrote: »

25 yr old Irishman, bolivian tv report here NSFW
http://www.budapesttimes.hu/content/view/11706/219/

I'm no pathologist...but Mr. Dwyer has a Bolivian look about him. Surely if he was Irish, he'd just have the ronnie, and not the other band of hair wrapped around his chin

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My guess is that they were Soldiers of Fortune. The question is who were they working for...

Mr Benevolent

My guess is that they were Soldiers of Fortune. The question is who were they working for...

Fredrick Forsyth?

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Confab wrote: »

Fredrick Forsyth?

lol,

Dogs of War is a class movie

prinz

Upward Spiral wrote: »

My guess is that they were Soldiers of Fortune. The question is who were they working for...

Perhaps the A-Team have started franchising in their old age.

Vegeta

Upward Spiral wrote: »

He said that after the shootout, police found documents "about preparations for an assassination, an attempt on the lives of the president and the vice president."

This worry anyone else when reading it?

diverdriver

Now this is US footprint, period.

That didn't take long, those Americans get blamed for everything, even with Obama in power.

As for the 'Irishman' well Irish passports are not too difficult to obtain in certain places. But looking at the picture of the body, he could be Irish. Dark hair is quite normal and the goatee is quite common these days, flanzer even in Ireland. But the profile doesn't really fit. He's too young to be ex IRA. He could be ex army, British or Irish though. In the report they give a second version of his name. 'Goyer Michael Matius'. I don't know if that's a spanishified version of Michael Martin Dwyer or in fact his real name.

Interesting. I vote for false or stolen passport.

carlop

Weird story, what's the link between Hungary and Bolivia as well?

prinz

Vegeta wrote: »

This worry anyone else when reading it?

No, why would it? They have the info, they try to apprehend gang, gang holes up in hotel, gun fight, gang killed.... more evidence found.

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One of the dead men, Eduardo Rózsa-Flores has quite a colorful past.

He was a soldier, war correspondant, actor, writer and god knows what else.

Anyone speak Hungarian? - http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B3zsa-Flores_Eduardo

prinz

carlop wrote: »

Weird story, what's the link between Hungary and Bolivia as well?

One dead Hunglivian.Or Bolgarian.Who was a far-right-conservative-Islamic-revolutionary.Bizarre tale all round really.

prinz

diverdriver wrote: »

That didn't take long, those Americans get blamed for everything, even with Obama in power.

As for the 'Irishman' well Irish passports are not too difficult to obtain in certain places. But looking at the picture of the body, he could be Irish. Dark hair is quite normal and the goatee is quite common these days, flanzer even in Ireland. But the profile doesn't really fit. He's too young to be ex IRA. He could be ex army, British or Irish though. In the report they give a second version of his name. 'Goyer Michael Matius'. I don't know if that's a spanishified version of Michael Martin Dwyer or in fact his real name.

Interesting. I vote for false or stolen passport.

I'd put more money on being ex- French Foreign Legion.

In which case we might never find out who it is.

wudangclan

i would'nt be seen dead in those boxer shorts

PFiddy

wudangclan wrote: »

i would'nt be seen dead in those boxer shorts

Could have been the fashion police alright

me_right_one

prinz wrote: »

No, why would it? They have the info, they try to apprehend gang, gang holes up in hotel, gun fight, gang killed.... more evidence found.

Yes, it worried me. They found evidence after! After they killed those fellas. After they were too dead to explain their actions. Whatever they were up to was no good I know, but they could have been just local drug scum or something. If the evidence was found before, and then the shootout ensued, I'd believe it far quicker. Still glad they're dead tho

me_right_one

No way is yerman Irish looking at that vid

BertrandMeyer

He was captured on video - he'd been cut. The force said officers had created a cordon around the man to give him CPR. Their companies have disappeared with their passports and their pay. The letter, dated 16 March, said "students must have seen this as a form of national defence". It's a disgrace.

diverdriver

It's South America, what do expect?

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Does anyone know what the relationship between Bolivia and Hungary is?

dlofnep

diverdriver wrote: »

But the profile doesn't really fit. He's too young to be ex IRA. He could be ex army, British or Irish though.

I doubt anyone IRA or ex IRA would try and oust a socialist, who was democratically elected by the people.

pyroger101

This quote was taken from the sky news web site
Quote:
"Officers attempted to arrest the armed men in the city of Santa Cruz, whose governor is a prominent critic of the president.

But they fled to a hotel where a 30-minute gun battle followed, police chief Hugo Escobar said."

This is a load of crap! There are images of the bodies of the deseased from this attack! The men are in their boxers in their hotel rooms, no guns, bullet casings or around them. The rooms that they were in certainly did not look like there was a gun fight of any sort certainly not one that lasted 30 minutes and involved grenades. Im sure these men were not chased from the city in their boxers. These men look like they were brutally murdered.

I can tell you now the irish man was not a " drug dealing scum bag" and had no affiliation with the IRA WHATSO EVER!!

This man in question was a very popular guy, didnt have any dodgy background of any sort! The truth will come out, Mike is actually a really kind man. What they are saying about his involvement is lies. If you knew the guy you would understand.

R.I.P. Mike

prinz

pyroger101 wrote: »

This quote was taken from the sky news web site
Quote:
"Officers attempted to arrest the armed men in the city of Santa Cruz, whose governor is a prominent critic of the president.

But they fled to a hotel where a 30-minute gun battle followed, police chief Hugo Escobar said."

This is a load of crap! There are images of the bodies of the deseased from this attack! The men are in their boxers in their hotel rooms, no guns, bullet casings or around them. The rooms that they were in certainly did not look like there was a gun fight of any sort certainly not one that lasted 30 minutes and involved grenades. Im sure these men were not chased from the city in their boxers. These men look like they were brutally murdered.

I can tell you now the irish man was not a " drug dealing scum bag" and had no affiliation with the IRA WHATSO EVER!!

This man in question was a very popular guy, didnt have any dodgy background of any sort! The truth will come out, Mike is actually a really kind man. What they are saying about his involvement is lies. If you knew the guy you would understand.

R.I.P. Mike

So what they bumped off three random foreigners for the fun of it?

prinz

dlofnep wrote: »

I doubt anyone IRA or ex IRA would try and oust a socialist, who was democratically elected by the people.

Don't try and pull that one. They'd kill anyone if there was a wedge of cash or a few guns in it for them.

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pyroger101 wrote: »

This quote was taken from the sky news web site
Quote:
"Officers attempted to arrest the armed men in the city of Santa Cruz, whose governor is a prominent critic of the president.

But they fled to a hotel where a 30-minute gun battle followed, police chief Hugo Escobar said."

This is a load of crap! There are images of the bodies of the deseased from this attack! The men are in their boxers in their hotel rooms, no guns, bullet casings or around them. The rooms that they were in certainly did not look like there was a gun fight of any sort certainly not one that lasted 30 minutes and involved grenades. Im sure these men were not chased from the city in their boxers. These men look like they were brutally murdered.

I can tell you now the irish man was not a " drug dealing scum bag" and had no affiliation with the IRA WHATSO EVER!!

This man in question was a very popular guy, didnt have any dodgy background of any sort! The truth will come out, Mike is actually a really kind man. What they are saying about his involvement is lies. If you knew the guy you would understand.

R.I.P. Mike

So he is defo Irish then?

Care to elaborate? Why was he in Bolivia with a Hungarian Militant?

pyroger101

Honestly i dont know why they were killed but i new mike well! Well enough to know he was a very easy going guy and had no military background. The pictures that are starting to surface of him is playing airsoft, thats the closest he has ever gotten to a real weapon in the time i new him. I have spent the day looking around the net trying to find as much info as i can and everything is not making sense. I dont know the full details yet but My understanding was that he was over there working as an engineer.

Seriously tho does any one else not find it suspicious that the men are in their boxers in the photos, groups are saying that it is a conspiracy to try and cast doubt on the opposing parties of the current president.

I really really hope the irish media will not darken mikes name without getting the facts. I know it looks bad for him now but i really dont believe what they are saying about him

pyroger101

yes im sorry to say that it is mike in the photos he is irish and also a great guy. I nearly threw up when i saw the photos so please guys be a bit more sensitive about what you say about this man on this forum. He has allot of good friends and family and all this stuff is very very hard.

My prayers to the dwyers

parasite

http://www.incakolanews.blogspot.com/2009/04/is-this-irish-would-be-assassin-of-evo.html

prinz

Given his apparent love of guns, militaria etc., it could be possible that he fell in with the wrong crowd over there, bit of hero worship going on for his Hunglivian buddy who was very much the mercenary type, and tagged along to play at being a real 'soldier' for once.


Also had a bit of a thing for Carlos the Jackal too. Nice South American connection.

stepbar

25 yr olds don't just "fall in with the wrong crowd" ffs.

prinz

stepbar wrote: »

25 yr olds don't just "fall in with the wrong crowd" ffs.

People of any age and intelligence can 'fall in with the wrong crowd' as they say.

delta_bravo

prinz wrote: »

Given his apparent love of guns, militaria etc., it could be possible that he fell in with the wrong crowd over there, bit of hero worship going on for his Hunglivian buddy who was very much the mercenary type, and tagged along to play at being a real 'soldier' for once.


Also had a bit of a thing for Carlos the Jackal too. Nice South American connection.

According to his bebo. For gods sake bebo isnt the oracle of truth. Just wait until we get more details until this stupid speculation begins.

prinz

delta_bravo wrote: »

According to his bebo. For gods sake bebo isnt the oracle of truth. Just wait until we get more details until this stupid speculation begins.

So you suggesting he had a penchant for creating an alter ego for himself?
There's a smack of Walter Mitty about all this.

I did also include 'apparent' in my post. Take nowt for granted.

Nodin

prinz wrote: »

So you suggesting he had a penchant for creating an alter ego for himself?
There's a smack of Walter Mitty about all this.

No, he's saying nobody really has a bogs notion at this stage.

Son Of Anarchy

Mental.

I am with the whole "Flee to hotel in boxers and have a shoot out? WTF" brigade.

Seems very fishy

prinz

Son Of Anarchy wrote: »

Mental.

I am with the whole "Flee to hotel in boxers and have a shoot out? WTF" brigade.

Seems very fishy

They could have been stripped down after the shoot-out. Fair practice if you're worried about concealed explosives and/or booby traps.

flanzer

I feel this story is gonna get legs.....I've a feeling, hope, that this guy may have gone in the way that Brazilian chap went in London. Looks very fishy indeed....

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prinz wrote: »

They could have been stripped down after the shoot-out. Fair practice if you're worried about concealed explosives and/or booby traps.

Well.. apparently they found C4 so yeah!

http://incakolanews.blogspot.com/2009/04/police-foil-assassination-attempt-on.html

Evilsbane

flanzer wrote: »

I feel this story is gonna get legs.....I've a feeling, hope, that this guy may have gone in the way that Brazilian chap went in London. Looks very fishy indeed....

Especially since the wound in the picture seems to be an exit wound, meaning he would have been shot in the back. And if there was a 30-minute shootout, why is his body right beside a bed? And why are there no bullet casings lying around?

All this on top of the fact that he's in his boxers and clearly was either in bed, just about to go to bed or had just gotten up. Along with the other two.

Upward Spiral wrote: »

Well.. apparently they found C4 so yeah!

http://incakolanews.blogspot.com/2009/04/police-foil-assassination-attempt-on.html

What that site doesn't tell you is that the weapons were found in a cache in a nearby park.

pyroger101

thank god some people are keeping an open mind about this topic anyways. He was a very good friend/ brother / son ! His death is bad enough as it is and by people calling him a terrorist is just not helping. Me and my friends understanding was that mike was over there doing a body gaurd training course which would explain the people that he was with over there,

and with regards to the c4 and weapons that were found, they were not found in the hotel, reports say that they were found in a building "near by".

And no the police would not strip a man to his boxers when he is dead. and if it was a case that they would why would they stop at the boxers if they are that paranoid.

The "lovely people" at the timesonline had a few things to say about his bebo page,
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6115458.ece

they claim that the results he got in the various quizes were actually his answers (anyone that uses bebo would know what im talkin bout here) , for example if you were to do a quiz on boxing your result would correspond with what kind of boxers you were which is all for fun and amusement. Its like if my house got raided and they claimed i was a terrorist because i had many playstation games of a violent nature.


"General Escóbar said that all three of the dead sported similar tattoos, suggesting that they were all trained in the same paramilitary centre. He described them as “very dangerous and determined to launch attacks”. "

That tribal tattoo he has in on half the men in the world that have tattoos.

I really really hope that the Irish representative that has gone over there finds out the truth.

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pyroger101 wrote: »

thank god some people are keeping an open mind about this topic anyways. He was a very good friend/ brother / son ! His death is bad enough as it is and by people calling him a terrorist is just not helping. Me and my friends understanding was that mike was over there doing a body gaurd training course which would explain the people that he was with over there,

and with regards to the c4 and weapons that were found, they were not found in the hotel, reports say that they were found in a building "near by".

And no the police would not strip a man to his boxers when he is dead. and if it was a case that they would why would they stop at the boxers if they are that paranoid.

The idiots at the timesonline had a few things to say about his bebo page,
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6115458.ece

they claim that the results he got in the various quizes were actually his answers (anyone that uses bebo would know what im talkin bout here) , for example if you were to do a quiz on boxing your result would correspond with what kind of boxers you were which is all for fun and amusement. Its like if my house got raided and they claimed i was a terrorist because i had many playstation games of a violent nature.


"General Escóbar said that all three of the dead sported similar tattoos, suggesting that they were all trained in the same paramilitary centre. He described them as “very dangerous and determined to launch attacks”. "

That tribal tattoo he has in on half the men in the world that have tattoos.

I really really hope that the Irish representative that has gone over there finds out the truth.

No offense to you, but atm it looks like he was indeed involved in something untoward. He fits the description of somebody that fancied himself as a mercenary and followed a path to fulfill that idea.

If I'm wrong, I apologize deeply

mick.fr

diverdriver wrote: »

That didn't take long, those Americans get blamed for everything, even with Obama in power.

Just get up to speed on history and you will learn the US governement has financed and/or leaded an incredible number of assassinations and political destabilisations in many Southern American countries since the last 20 years.
I am not making anything up. This is history.

prinz

pyroger101 wrote: »

thank god some people are keeping an open mind about this topic anyways. He was a very good friend/ brother / son ! His death is bad enough as it is and by people calling him a terrorist is just not helping. Me and my friends understanding was that mike was over there doing a body gaurd training course which would explain the people that he was with over there,

and with regards to the c4 and weapons that were found, they were not found in the hotel, reports say that they were found in a building "near by".

And no the police would not strip a man to his boxers when he is dead. and if it was a case that they would why would they stop at the boxers if they are that paranoid.

The idiots at the timesonline had a few things to say about his bebo page,
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6115458.ece

they claim that the results he got in the various quizes were actually his answers (anyone that uses bebo would know what im talkin bout here) , for example if you were to do a quiz on boxing your result would correspond with what kind of boxers you were which is all for fun and amusement. Its like if my house got raided and they claimed i was a terrorist because i had many playstation games of a violent nature.


"General Escóbar said that all three of the dead sported similar tattoos, suggesting that they were all trained in the same paramilitary centre. He described them as “very dangerous and determined to launch attacks”. "

That tribal tattoo he has in on half the men in the world that have tattoos.

I really really hope that the Irish representative that has gone over there finds out the truth.

Look tbh what you say could be true and that would be a shame and all but it's a whole lot more circumstantial than what's coming from the other end. So I'm going to go with them until I get proof otherwise.

And yes, police and anti-terrorist units in particular do strip down suspects in cases where they are concerned about explosives. You can be sure they checked under the boxers ffs if that's what's concerning you about this, they leave them on for the photographs.

Plus they seem to have witnesses to back it all up too.Strange that.