[US/IRL] 5X13 - "Some Like It Hoth" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Sad Professor

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Episode Title: "Some Like It Hoth"
Airdate: April 15th 2009

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

Suspicions about a possible breach intensify after Ben is taken from the infirmary, and a reluctant Miles is forced to work with Hurley when he's asked to deliver an important package to a top Dharma official.

Next New Episode: 5X14 - April 29th 2009

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homerun_homer

6

I'm in New York so this will be the first and possibly only time I can write about Lost right after watching it live. Anyhoo - out goes a few theories I threw out there over the weeks - I like how Lost can keep throwing spanners in the works of the overthinking fans minds.
Myles was the kid as everyone (including me) had originally believed and I liked to think that the possibility of it being Sun would shake things up. Being the kid this means he exists in same time as himself so we still can't figure out why some of the Losties were in the past and some stayed in the present time.

Sad Professor

6

Enjoyable enough episode. I'm sure many will call it "filler", but it's definitely not. It set up a lot of important things and gave us a long overdue insight into Miles' character.

We got an answer for why Miles wanted 3.2 million dollars from Ben. Although the 1.6 Widmore offered is just as inexplicable.

Seems I was wrong about Ilana and co working for Widmore. Looks like a possible third party. Hawking maybe. Or... someone else. Definitely not Smokey anyway, lol.

Also appears that Widmore really was behind the plane in the Sunda Trench which is kinda disappointing. I was hoping for a bigger revelation there.

Anyway, enjoy it, folks. 2 weeks until the next episode.

homerun_homer wrote:

Being the kid this means he exists in same time as himself so we still can't figure out why some of the Losties were in the past and some stayed in the present time.

The best explanation for this at the moment is to blame it on the "unpredictable" effect Hawking described, arising from the fact that not all of the O6 returned to the island. Aaron was the missing piece. Ben was trying to take him from Kate (the lawyer, the women in the supermarket, etc) but failed and didn't have time to get him before the flight. There may be a better explanation down the road but this is good enough for now imo.

cooker3

Enjoyable enough. I always like flashbacks for new characters. Nice and fresh.
It was fairly obvious Cheng was going to be his father. I still think they had a different plan in mind originally for the 3.2 million offer but it had to be culled with the strike but hey they give an explanation, it will do.

I am really enjoying the scenes with Myles and Hurley. They work well together. It has made Myles a much more likeable character without losing that edge.

The reveal with Widmore being behind the fake plane was rather underwhelming. I kinda hope there is more to it then just that.

Oh I bet Damon has been waiting years to use that Star Wars speech. I may have found it funny if I had ever watched any of them, went on a bit too long

Anyway give it a 6.

Anima

6

Yeah good episode. Was funny, clarified some things, hinted at bigger developments and finally brought Miles into focus as a character. All round, it was decent.

Just looking at lostpedia and the guy who abducted Miles is the same guy that was with Llana on the island. http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Bram

Handsome Bob

7

Didn't think I'd enjoy this episode, but it was thoroughingly endearing. Miles and Hurley really do have great chemistry. Great epsiode, I gave it an 8, up from my usual 7.:eek:

Niall0

7

Sad Professor wrote: »

Seems I was wrong about Ilana and co working for Widmore. Looks like a possible third party. Hawking maybe. Or... someone else. Definitely not Smokey anyway, lol.

If this new group is working against Widmore would it not be safe to assume they work for Ben, the guy in the van said something like miles is on the wrong side, the two sides possibly being Ben/Widmore.

Or maybe Ellie (Hawking) and Widmore fell out at some point and she is working against Widmore.

Since Ilana got Sayid on the plane, this leads me to believe she is working for etiher Hawking or Ben.

Do we know how Widmore found the island the last time?

rose_2

and where the hell is farday after appearing in from??!! all along since they went back to 1977 Iv bin wondering where he went and now he's back.....but where was he??!!!aggghh!

also is there really two weeks til the next episode?why o why??!its time they stepped it up a gear i think, bit more action mayb and hopefully a bit more integration of characters. good episode though.

Chardee MacDennis

well we have confirmed that knowing what's in the shadow of the statue is nothing to do with widmore, i still think it's to do with being 'infected' with smokey. i dont see how you can eliminate that possibility, especially if you look at ilannas behaviour when she landed compared to the last time we saw her.

Chardee MacDennis

wasnt a bad episode, some good bits - i liked seeing Miles' past but i think we all saw the pierre chang thing from 'miles' away besides that hurley and kate just dont know when to keep their mouths shut.

farraday coming back was a bit wtf though! also the fact that there is much more going on with the Dharma Initiative then we have been led to believe this season, it took a sinister turn from the hippy commune feeling this episode. so good episode again but far from the best this season.

and when hurley asked how to spell bounty hunter, i for some reason said he was writing Empire, i have no idea why, just the episode name I suppose!

Niall0

7

BastardPrince wrote: »

well we have confirmed that knowing what's in the shadow of the statue is nothing to do with widmore, i still think it's to do with being 'infected' with smokey. i dont see how you can eliminate that possibility, especially if you look at ilannas behaviour when she landed compared to the last time we saw her.

Id say the guy in the van hasnt been to the island yet so how could he be infected?
I dont think the rest could have been either since smokey hasnt come into contact with them yet.
If they were infected why would they be using codewords, i dunno doesnt seem to fit properly.

Also it was funny when chang said about "those stupid polar bear experiments" and he happened to be reading a plar bear book tomiles.
Why are they so secretive about what theyre doing in the island, its like dharma is a cover for something else, who is behind the orchid and all that stuff and why are they keeping it secret from the rest of the dharma initiative?

tok9

8

What a surprisingly good episode..

It was great to see a back story for miles. He's turned out to be a really good character and the conversations between himself and hurley are excellent.

The big question is who the hell is bram working for?? I'm beginning to think it's the DI! But it's just a guess really.

Great to see Daniel back too. His backstory since 1974 is going to be very interesting.

I wonder will the reason why chang kicked out miles and his wife is because miles tells him about the purge or maybe it's because miles tells him he's his son and chang is worried that they might get too close to eachother!

9/10

p.s The next episode is the 100th!:D It's not on for 2 weeks though!:(

jimbling

hmmm, I suppose you could call it a filler, but it's definitely a good one.

As mentioned by everyone, miles and hurley interaction was brilliant once more. Great chemistry.

So, they're not working for widmore eh... hmmm.... I wonder who it is so. Ben? Hawking? Dharma perhaps?

BastardPrince wrote: »

well we have confirmed that knowing what's in the shadow of the statue is nothing to do with widmore, i still think it's to do with being 'infected' with smokey. i dont see how you can eliminate that possibility, especially if you look at ilannas behaviour when she landed compared to the last time we saw her.

Anything is possible I guess, but I don't see anything pointing that direction.

Btw, how do you explain your man asking miles whats in the shadow of the statue when he was off the island? And saying afterwards, if you don't know that you're not ready for it?

Niall0

7

tok9 wrote: »

The big question is who the hell is bram working for?? I'm beginning to think it's the DI! But it's just a guess really.

Good thinking maybe Dharma/Hanso want to take back the island and the war is between the others and New Dharma.
Is Hanso still alive?

tok9 wrote: »

I wonder will the reason why chang kicked out miles and his wife is because miles tells him about the purge or maybe it's because miles tells him he's his son and chang is worried that they might get too close to eachother!

That kinda makes sense, so Miles wanting to get to know his father causes his father to leave his family.

Sad Professor

6

It seems the only evidence for this Ilana-infected theory is her behaviour last week. And imo there was no major change in her behaviour. Except that she was previously pretending to be clueless about the island when in fact she wasn't. Look at her in "316" as the plane is going down. She's ridiculously calm, she knew exactly where they were going. She can't have been infected before going to the island.

Niall0 wrote:

If this new group is working against Widmore would it not be safe to assume they work for Ben, the guy in the van said something like miles is on the wrong side, the two sides possibly being Ben/Widmore.

I was very resistant last week to the idea that she worked for Ben, but maybe she does. I don't think we need a 3rd party right now.

Do we know how Widmore found the island the last time?

No, but 3 possibilities:

a) He found out from Penny's monitoring station, either through a spy or some other means
b) He works with Hawking and used the Lamp Post
c) Something else

I don't think finding the island was ever a problem for Widmore, the problem was getting himself or any of his people back. The island is picky about who it lets in. He needed people with a pre-existing connection to the island - which Charlotte, Miles and Faraday all had. And to get back again - he needed the O6. Just an idea.

Chardee MacDennis

jimbling wrote: »

Btw, how do you explain your man asking miles whats in the shadow of the statue when he was off the island? And saying afterwards, if you don't know that you're not ready for it?

i dont see the problem here though, he is a 'hostile' and therefore infected like Richard, Widmore, Ben, Ellie and all the other hostiles. he can leave the island while infected like any of the characters i have mentioned above. if Miles doesnt know the answer he is not 'infected' and therefore not ready to be told everything i presume! Maybe they dont know if Miles is still infected since being a child on the island.

as you can tell i like the infected by smokie thing, as it sits in nicely with desmonds injections, what makes the hostiles different, how the island can cure people and a few other things i cant remember off the top of my head!

EDIT: and in my mind at the moment its either that or they are all dead, which i dont like (even though Naomi said "this island has a number of deceased individuals RESIDING on it")

jimbling

Niall0 wrote: »

Why are they so secretive about what theyre doing in the island, its like dharma is a cover for something else, who is behind the orchid and all that stuff and why are they keeping it secret from the rest of the dharma initiative?

I don't think dharma is a cover for something else, just not everyone is fully aware of what they're up to. Just different levels of knowledge..... like a lot of businesses really. They're not going to explain that they're doing time travel experiments to a Janitor for example.

jimbling

BastardPrince wrote: »

i dont see the problem here though, he is a 'hostile' and therefore infected like Richard, Widmore, Ben, Ellie and all the other hostiles. he can leave the island while infected like any of the characters i have mentioned above. if Miles doesnt know the answer he is not 'infected' and therefore not ready to be told everything i presume! Maybe they dont know if Miles is still infected since being a child on the island.

as you can tell i like the infected by smokie thing, as it sits in nicely with desmonds injections, what makes the hostiles different, how the island can cure people and a few other things i cant remember off the top of my head!

EDIT: and in my mind at the moment its either that or they are all dead, which i dont like (even though Naomi said "this island has a number of deceased individuals RESIDING on it")

Ah, I see where you're coming from. What you're saying is that ALL the hostiles/others are infected by smokey?
Na, seriously doubt that that is the case.

Why oh why do they have to be either infected or dead?
Can they not just be normal people?

Chardee MacDennis

jimbling wrote: »

Ah, I see where you're coming from. What you're saying is that ALL the hostiles/others are infected by smokey?
Na, seriously doubt that that is the case.

Why oh why do they have to be either infected or dead?
Can they not just be normal people?

they dont have to be either, but they seem like the ones the writers are hinting at, i completely accept i could be very wrong but what makes the others different if they are not some sort of nanobot/human hybrid or dead! i mean richard not changing for decades and claiming the sonic fences dont affect his people, or the handing over of the dead bodies.

they are the two theories that all that information seems to agree with the most at the moment!

MikeHoncho

6

Well it was never going to set the world alight but it was a decent episode again. This has been one of the better seasons even the more character driven episodes have been top notch.

I really like Myles and it was great to get a bit of a flesh out on him and some confirmation on things we had guessed about previously. As far as his chemistry with Hurley goes I agree its great but who hasnt the big man had great chemistry with? I think its actually Jorge Garcia's acting skills here. If you look historically they have put him with people who maybe needed a lift in the likeability stakes like Charlie and Sawyer. He really is excellent and seems to bring the best out of whoever he works with.

I knew Ilana wasnt working for Widmore. I still think its Ben but it could be Hawking alright. I urge everyone to go back and watch the scene between Ben, Ilana and Bram in Dead is Dead. They are trying to act as if they dont know each other but the body language seems to say otherwise. Now just because Ben knows them doesnt mean they are working for him. Maybe Ben and Hawking have common interests so they are just staying out of each others way.

And last but not least its great to see Farady back.

Bounty Hunter

7

i agree that it seemed liked filler but wasnt really and had some great Hurley and Miles bits, like his Star Wars analogy or the Empire script and his "your just jealous my pwer is better than your" line. Miles has replaced Charlie imo as Hurleys best bud on the island.

The new group of 2nd plane folk and those that grabbed Miles in the van is querious who knows who they are but im sure we will get some answers (to completley different questions of course) from Faraday.

DeepBlue

3

Utterly boring and easily the worst of the episodes so far this season.

Very clunky too - how likely was it that Roger would ask advice from Jack who he's known for two days and who he also knows came from the same batch of recruits as Kate?

I think I might just skip to the last two minutes of future episodes as the only interesting thing seems to happen then :pac:.

jimbling

MikeHoncho wrote: »

Maybe Ben and Hawking have common interests so they are just staying out of each others way.

I like this idea... reckon it very well might be something along those lines. It would make sense of the Ben / Hawking interactions off island as well.

jimbling

DeepBlue wrote: »

Very clunky too - how likely was it that Roger would ask advice from Jack who he's known for two days and who he also knows came from the same batch of recruits as Kate?

You know rodger is a bit dumb though right? And on top of that he was very very drunk. I'm surprised he had the logic to figure out Jack was in the same batch of recruits.
Not surprised at all that he didn't have the aptitude to figure out that Jack an Kate might be working together in some massive conspiracy involving them knowing each other before they were recruited.

Although, think Jacks silly "Kates the best person in the world" reaction might have given it away. :rolleyes:

chupacabra

8

Superb episode, better than last weeks for me.

jimbling

BastardPrince wrote: »

they dont have to be either, but they seem like the ones the writers are hinting at, i completely accept i could be very wrong but what makes the others different if they are not some sort of nanobot/human hybrid or dead! i mean richard not changing for decades and claiming the sonic fences dont affect his people, or the handing over of the dead bodies.

they are the two theories that all that information seems to agree with the most at the moment!

Juliet is an other. Do you reckon she's a nanobot/dead?

Richard is a whole different ball game.... we've no idea what his story is, but he is certainly no mere "other" :cool:

Not sure about the whole sonic fence thing... when did that come up?
Either way, it's not exactly hard to get around it... you just wear ear plugs.

Sad Professor

6

jimbling wrote: »

Although, think Jacks silly "Kates the best person in the world" reaction might have given it away. :rolleyes:

Yeah, it definitely did. Very stupid move on Jack's part. And now that Sawyer and Juliet have Phil tied up it's only a matter of time before they are all exposed.

Does anyone else think that the Losties will try and sabotage The Swan so as to prevent their plane crash? It could end up proving my example in the time travel thread that attempting to change time in a causal loop often causes the event you are trying to stop. In other words, the Losties sabotaging the Swan could cause "the incident", which was the reason the button-pushing protocol was set up. So in essence, they caused their own plane to crash. lol.

Chardee MacDennis

jimbling wrote: »

Juliet is an other. Do you reckon she's a nanobot/dead?

Richard is a whole different ball game.... we've no idea what his story is, but he is certainly no mere "other" :cool:

Not sure about the whole sonic fence thing... when did that come up?
Either way, it's not exactly hard to get around it... you just wear ear plugs.

the sonic fence thing was the way he said it :

Horace says 'I wish you would have told me you were coming. I would have turned the fence off for you', Richard replies 'That fence may keep other things out but not us...'

with regards Juliet i am not so sure she is infected as everyone that i think is potentially infected is out to defend the island, Juliet seems caught in the middle...

but yes there are holes in the theory!

Chardee MacDennis

Sad Professor wrote: »

Yeah, it definitely did. Very stupid move on Jack's part. And now that Sawyer and Juliet have Phil tied up it's only a matter of time before they are all exposed.

Does anyone else think that the Losties will try and sabotage The Swan so as to prevent their plane crash? It could end up proving my example in the time travel thread that attempting to change time in a causal loop often causes the event you are trying to stop. In other words, the Losties sabotaging the Swan could cause "the incident", which was the reason the button-pushing protocol was set up. So in essence, they caused their own plane to crash. lol.

well thats the way the ben thing worked out, by Jack not helping he caused Ben to become a hostile, so it is a very sound theory, especially the way Hurley referred to it as the hatch that made them crash in the first place.

jimbling

Sad Professor wrote: »

Yeah, it definitely did. Very stupid move on Jack's part. And now that Sawyer and Juliet have Phil tied up it's only a matter of time before they are all exposed.

Driving them away to join the others? Think this will be key to getting back to they're own time too.

Sad Professor wrote: »

Does anyone else think that the Losties will try and sabotage The Swan so as to prevent their plane crash? It could end up proving my example in the time travel thread that attempting to change time in a causal loop often causes the event you are trying to stop. In other words, the Losties sabotaging the Swan could cause "the incident", which was the reason the button-pushing protocol was set up. So in essence, they caused their own plane to crash. lol.

I reckon Hurley might try something all right. He seemed to have a glint in his eye when he realised it was the hatch. And I wouldn't be too surprised if the rest of what you said works out like that.

BastardPrince wrote: »

the sonic fence thing was the way he said it :

Horace says 'I wish you would have told me you were coming. I would have turned the fence off for you', Richard replies 'That fence may keep other things out but not us...'

It keeps smokey out..... not him or the others because they know and understand the concept of ear plugs

I think there are more than a few holes in your theory

Chardee MacDennis

just rewatching this and thinking about a few things on Miles, any one think the reason Chang kicks him and his mother out when he was a baby is because he finds out about old Miles, Miles tells Chang about the Purge so he sends his wife and child away so as not to get hurt?

just hearing Miles' mother talk about Chang never caring about them and kicking them out seems contrary to the image of Chang reading to baby Miles?

chamlis

Here's an idea:
Hurley tries to blow up the hatch, which in turn causes the "incident". The other losties help or try to stop him, either way they are all there when it happens. They all get caught in a temporal hoojabob and end up back in the present.

Eh eh? Any takers?

missingtime

8

Great episode, although I really need to stop reading other peoples theories...they sometimes ruin the whole premise.

This shadow of the statue thing is pretty cool, and the piece with the van was both interesting and frustrating.

Necronomicon

7

Very good episode, I really don't see how it can be considered filler. We finally get some background to Miles (even if it didn't answer a whole lot), the reveal that Hanso is his dad, the beginning of the Hatch development, and the ending with Farraday returning. Aside from this there was terrific chemistry between Miles and Hurley. Major lol at Hurley writing The Empire Strikes Back

EKRIUQ

6

Good solid episode, I preferred it much more than the Sayid filler. Asks more questions again but still fits in with the theme of the show and the current flow.
Must check out the Fuselage for some more theories.

Questions that now need answers :Confused

Who does Bram and his crew work for?
How do they know about the Island?
What "teams" is Bram refering to?
Why and when did Daniel Faraday leave the Island?
Where did he go?
Why did he return?
What is the origin or reason for Miles' ability?
Why is Alvarez's death being covered up?
Why did Chang want his corpse brought to the Orchid?
Why are the Numbers used for a serial number on the Swan's hatch?
How did Felix die?
Why was he bringing information to Widmore?

[-0-]

8

Does anyone else think it was funny when Hurley was talking about Star Wars and him losing his arm.... Miles' dad was missing an arm in the videos wasn't he?

Anima

6

any one think the reason Chang kicks him and his mother out when he was a baby is because he finds out about old Miles, Miles tells Chang about the Purge so he sends his wife and child away so as not to get hurt?

Funny you mention that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6Q7gzUjI8

He talks as if hes be told the information about the future rather than witnessing it himself. Maybe future Miles tells him.

Jay Ru

4

is it just me or does chang say le fuer right before the camera gets shut off?

Ron DMC

Anima wrote: »

Funny you mention that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6Q7gzUjI8

He talks as if hes be told the information about the future rather than witnessing it himself. Maybe future Miles tells him.

Re-watching that clip again after this episode has made me realise a few things.

Nothing from upcoming episodes listed here, but it's the most likely theory I've ever come up with so I'm gonna spoiler it because I'm 100% sure I'll turn out to be correct with at least some of it.

Definitely sounds like Faraday's voice in the background. So it seems Daniel/another lostie has told him about the purge. I imagine this knowledge of the purge leads Chang to send Miles and his mother away from the island to save them.

Also, I'm originally thought that the whole 'Dharma Recruitment Program' that was on at Comic-con was a gimmicky thing, but I now feel that it ties into the plot closer than I thought. I'm thinking that Bram, Ilana etc are actually newly recruited Dharma folk from nowadays (at least inspired by Dharma, including Chang's video). They go back to the island to try and prevent Ben's purge in the past, as Chang is asking, so in some ways they are anti-Ben, but they aren't Widmore affiliated either.

Oh, and a non-spoiler: Isn't the guy in the video the guy who works in the Buy-More in Chuck?

_JOE_

7

I have a funny feeling that the older Miles somehow contributes to the fact that his father threw the mother and child out...he really seemed touched when he saw his father with the younger him...perhaps Cheng realises what has happened and takes certain preventative measures...

thebigcheese22

7

Cheers for that Comicon video, very interesting. I definitly think the Dharma Initiative is more sinister than previously thought, dumping a dead body for no apparant reason. Maybe they really were a threat to the Island and the Others had no choice but to Purge them all...

Niall0

7

Ronny Mitchell wrote: »

I'm thinking that Bram, Ilana etc are actually newly recruited Dharma folk from nowadays (at least inspired by Dharma, including Chang's video). They go back to the island to try and prevent Ben's purge in the past, as Chang is asking, so in some ways they are anti-Ben, but they aren't Widmore affiliated either.

That fits perfectly id be surprised if it turns out not to be true.
So pretty much everyone from the plane will need to get to the past, thats probably gonna happen in the finale.
If they do get to the past what will happen?
Im pretty sure they cant change what happened no matter what they do, so either theyll try to go back and end up in the wrong time or they will get to the right time but somehow cause the purge.

If they go back in time theyll most likely go back to 1977 as theyll be able to reunite sun and jin and keep the story moving along. Could this be the war Widmore was on about? I guess he would know as it already happened.

Calibos

I have an idea that I don't think has been mentioned in this short 3 page thread yet.

I have a funny feeling that the older Miles somehow contributes to the fact that his father threw the mother and child out...he really seemed touched when he saw his father with the younger him...perhaps Cheng realises what has happened and takes certain preventative measures...

anotherlostie

7

Good episode, certainly not as filler lead as some thought it would be, although some scenes were superfluous like Myles with dead jock's dad.

That clip was excellent as a coda to this episode.

I guess Myles, or someone, will tell all about the future, leading to a DI strikeback, lead by Ilana and Bram (?Stoker).

All this is setting up Season 6 nicely.

Jay Ru

4

Ronny Mitchell wrote: »

Definitely sounds like Faraday's voice in the background. So it seems Daniel/another lostie has told him about the purge. I imagine this knowledge of the purge leads Chang to send Miles and his mother away from the island to save them.

i've listened to the clip over and over now for a while and it does sound like him but i don't think it is.

Sad Professor

6

Re: the voice in the comic-con video:

It definitely is Faraday. Davies confirmed it in a interview ages ago.

Sad Professor

6

A few more thoughts on Ilana and Bram and who they work for:

From what Bram said in the van, it sounds like they were interested specifically in Miles because of his "gift".

BRAM: But if you come with us--all those things you've spent your life trying to find out? You'll know. You'll know who you are, Miles--why it is you have a gift, and most of all, you'll know about your father.

I'm not sure about them being Dharma. If Dharma or Hanso was still around I think we would have come across them by now.

Also the question we really need to be asking is: what's in the crate they were trying to move?

I previously speculated guns. But what would be the need to carry them around in a crate for? Besides the island has tons of guns. They're everywhere!

A bomb maybe? But the island already has one of them as well. lol

A body? Hmmmm.

HungryJoey

7

Enjoyable episode!:pac:

Blooper!:
Anyone notice the blackboard that jack was cleaning was full of writing, and when the camera switched back to jack all the writing was cleaned off.. ooops

Mr.Nice Guy

7

I liked that episode a lot. I wouldn't have thought a Miles-centric episode would prove so enjoyable.

My immediate hunch was that Bram and co were working for Eloise, but I can't figure out why that would be the case.

Ah well plenty to think about as usual.

PirateShampoo

7

HungryJoey wrote: »

Enjoyable episode!:pac:

Blooper!:
Anyone notice the blackboard that jack was cleaning was full of writing, and when the camera switched back to jack all the writing was cleaned off.. ooops

Because he was wiping it all off, it was full of egyptian writing.

Ri_Nollaig

HungryJoey wrote: »

Enjoyable episode!:pac:

Blooper!:
Anyone notice the blackboard that jack was cleaning was full of writing, and when the camera switched back to jack all the writing was cleaned off.. ooops

dont think that was a blooper as surely you where meant to notice the egyptian hieroglyphics on the board.