time for a new leader again

leitrim lad

who will be the next in line

willie o dea
mary hanaffin
noel dempsey
beverly cooper flynn

who will be the next leader that will bring the country back from the slums like bertie did

what about charlie mc creevy

peasant

leitrim lad wrote: »

who will be the next leader that will bring the country back from the slums like bertie did

I take it you ARE joking?

Thomas_S_Hunterson

Bring back Haughey tbh.

McCruiskeen

beverly cooper flynn

AAHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Lord, help us and save us.

experiMental

nah, I'd say its time for better followers as well as a better leader

mikemac

If it's anyone it'll be Michael Martin.

I want to see to FF kicked as much as the next person.
But I do reckon Minister Martin will be the next leader of FF

leitrim lad wrote: »

beverly cooper flynn

WTF?

10000maniacs

Sean_K wrote: »

Bring back Haughey tbh.

He won't need to tighten his belt this time.:D

leitrim lad

i think willie o dea

he is the only one old enough, the rest of them have no expierence, and dont attempt to say brian or conor lenehan, time to get rid of them

O'Coonassa

I'd vote for Dustin the Turkey before I'd vote for any of the people on that list.

bcirl03

I'm with you on Dustin.

Vote for him before I'd vote for those FF wasters.

deadhead13

I suspect FF is going to be heading for the wilderness for a long time after the next general election. So who the next leader will be is about as relevant as Enda Kenny has been over the past 7 years.

Sand

who will be the next leader that will bring the country back from the slums like bertie did

Fianna Fails challenge is to recover from a historic, unprecedented collapse in its vote. They dont need to worry about leading the country for a generation.

And nominating Bev Cooper Flynn? Shes exactly what is *wrong* with Fianna Fail. All brass neck, corrupt, and incompetent.

what about charlie mc creevy

Interesting possibility: He was sent into exile for the past few years, but he was sent into exile because he has no support in Fianna Fail and is not "one of the boys". He has no chance.

leitrim lad

well im one of the boys and im also one of charlies best friends, i think he would be a great leader another bertie

Hillel

leitrim lad wrote: »

who will be the next in line

willie o dea
mary hanaffin
noel dempsey
beverly cooper flynn

who will be the next leader that will bring the country back from the slums like bertie did: (:eek::eek::eek::eek: Hillel)

what about charlie mc creevy

Beverly gets my vote, she's the only class act amongst that lot.
(And God knows we could do with a class act, at the moment!;))

P.S. Stop casting aspersions on Bertie - he wasn't near the slums. No, honestly.

Sand

well im one of the boys and im also one of charlies best friends, i think he would be a great leader another bertie

Given that Berties greatest achievement was to leave Brian Cowen to take the fall, thats not a stunning endorsement. Everything thats come due this year: the unsustainable public sector, the property bubble, the loss of competiveness was all created and encouraged by Bertie Ahern. He will go down in history as one of the worst Irish leaders.

leitrim lad

i dont think he will somehow,

imagine the poverty we would have been stricken with if , we had been stuck with that rediculas rainbow government,

and john brutal , imagine that we would have ended up back in famine times, with that pr1ck

so be greatful bertie came along and gave us a new lease of life, and roll on charlie mc creevy the sooner the better,

Sand

Well, John Bruton might have his own problems, but doubling state spending on the back of a property bubble, whilst leaving the banks completely unregulated leading to the near bankruptcy of the state isnt one of them. Let alone the "decentralisation" vote buying exercise which was shameful.

About the only benefit of Fianna Fail government was McCreevy as Minister for Finance. Once he was shafted there was no upside to Fianna Fail government. Bertie will go down as one of the most incompetent, corrupt and terrible leaders in Irish history.

leitrim lad

your wrong bertie was the best modern leader this country will ever see, and along with that you wouldnt have a pot to piss in if it wasnt for him, and charlie mc creevy

biffo just came too inexpierenced into a position that was destroyed by bankers and developers, in the first place not by bertie

Woger

leitrim lad wrote: »

your wrong bertie was the best modern leader this country will ever see, and along with that you wouldnt have a pot to piss in if it wasnt for him, and charlie mc creevy

biffo just came too inexpierenced into a position that was destroyed by bankers and developers, in the first place not by bertie

I'm with you, it was all Bertie. Nothing to do with an educated work force, low corporation tax and cheap interest. Bertie done everything, he didn't coast along on an opportunity at all.

deadhead13

Woger wrote: »

I'm with you, it was all Bertie. Nothing to do with an educated work force, low corporation tax and cheap interest. Bertie done everything, he didn't coast along on an opportunity at all.

And don't forget how he single-handedly brought about peace in the North.:rolleyes:

leitrim lad

and along with that he single handedly ran the e u for the 6 months he was president, along with running ireland in the middle of a huge boom at the time, while saving the north aswell,

i think a nobel award is on the way for him, good man bertie roll back the good times,

or as charlie mc creevy would say keep on partying

glaston

leitrim lad wrote: »

who will be the next in line

willie o dea
mary hanaffin
noel dempsey
beverly cooper flynn

who will be the next leader that will bring the country back from the slums like bertie did

what about charlie mc creevy

Willie O Dea is a national joke,
Charlie McCreevey would be ok but the union commie protectionist fcuks that have such an influence on FF would never allow it.
Micheal Martin is the obvious choice for me however he is got fcuked over by nepotism within FF.
Biffo is mediocre and needs to grow a pair.

leitrim lad

what about on the other hand noel dempsey

he is a good public speaker and atleast he can be understood when talking, and seems to have come out of his shell alot on the television politics shows

Fr0g

This thread is a wind up surely?

lmtduffy

leitrim lad wrote: »

your wrong bertie was the best modern leader this country will ever see, and along with that you wouldnt have a pot to piss in if it wasnt for him, and charlie mc creevy

biffo just came too inexpierenced into a position that was destroyed by bankers and developers, in the first place not by bertie

yes and who cares that the poor got poorer and the rich got richer, then had to be bailed out.

leitrim lad

dont be silly the rich are really infact poor ,

they are just good bluffers

poor old bertie,

so who will it be then
charlie mc creevy or noel dempsey

miju

Sand wrote: »

Given that Berties greatest achievement was to leave Brian Cowen to take the fall, thats not a stunning endorsement. Everything thats come due this year: the unsustainable public sector, the property bubble, the loss of competiveness was all created and encouraged by Bertie Ahern. He will go down in history as one of the worst Irish leaders.

remind me again how long poor innocent Cowen was Minister for Finance again??

leitrim lad

too fcuken long ,but he wont be leader for half as long, bring on mc creevy or dempsey

lmtduffy

leitrim lad wrote: »

dont be silly the rich are really infact poor ,

they are just good bluffers

poor old bertie,

so who will it be then
charlie mc creevy or noel dempsey

okay step of you pedestal Dorothy,

You dont seem to know what poor is,
Im talking about the 1 in 5 kids in the country at risk of poverty, Im talking about the physically and intellectual disabled that this country has barely provided for and when it has has done so, has done it with sore look on its face, or the elderly who this state bus into rest homes because its less hassle to set up an in home care service which would also be cheaper then paying for the rest homes, or the travelling community who are offer time and time again houses as opposed to adequately serviced halting sites, or the vast majority of the homeless in Ireland many of whom have mental problems who are wasting their lives in shelters because the Gov expects charities to move them on.

Dont disrespect the struggle that the poor in this country have by comparing them to those who had an opportunity to up their standard of living but squandered it.

peasant

leitrim lad

see these yokes: :D

they are normally to be used when making a sarcastic post.

here, have a few more ...dot them round your posts so far

:D:D:D:D:D:

Permabear

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leitrim lad

agreed or maybe even pat o kieffe if mc creevy isnt available

Sand

remind me again how long poor innocent Cowen was Minister for Finance again??

<Edit - just noticed you said Cowen, though it was McCreevy - I blame Fianna Fail. Anyway the below makes sense when He=McCreevy. I dont support Cowen, I dont think hes innocent at all>

He got pushed out in 2004, his last budget was put in place in 2003 when the housing bubble was but a glint in Berties eye. If you want to see where the out of control spending came from, check out the increase in spending that Cowen presided over in his first budget on December 1st 2004: a increase on spending of 9%, when spending had already increased significantly from 1997 ( based on the export driven economic growth of that period, which tapered off after 2000). And thats before you even consider the budgets Cowen delivered in 2005, 2006 and 2007 with the last being perhaps the most reckless and blind of all given it was delivered purely to win an election, and wilfully ignored all the warning lights on the Irish economy going amber and red.

McCreevy was a very competent Minister for Finance. He was never popular with the chattering classes given his abrasive style and robust defence of the successful low tax, controlled spending model, but blaming him for the excess of the Cowen and Bertie years is a bit much. He was shafted because he wouldnt play along with Berties spend, spend, spend policies.

Whilst McCreevy leading Fianna Fail would be far better placed to get out of the electoral hole Bertie & Cowen have led them into (Brian Lenihan didnt lay the groundwork for this mess, he's just inept at trying to get us out of it), its extremely unlikely. Fianna Fail is the party of the cute hoor, the conniving gombeen man and the person who holds to the creed of taxes being for little people. McCreevy just isnt that popular with the Fianna Fail grassroots - indeed he was viewed as an electoral liability back in 2004. Even if he was invited back in some sort of prodigal son type reunion to lead Fianna Fail back to the promised land it would only be a marraige of convenience and hed be stabbed in the back and left for dead as soon as they could get another cute hoor like Bertie in power to screw everything up.

Charlie Haughey really destroyed Fianna Fail, now all it has is a culture of shared greed and lust for power binding it together. Honesty, patriotism and integrity? In Fianna Fail thats a disqualification from leadership. Theyre going to rot in opposition for a decade or more until they rediscover more reason to exist than to win the next election.

<Edit2 - I was editing this post a few times, adding points and expanding them like I usually do. I noticed leitrim lad added thanks on an early draft, but has removed them after reading the final draft: I guess the post below about some sense being talked might be qualified now >

leitrim lad

at long last some sense talked , charlie mc creevy will make a great taoiseach

storker

leitrim lad wrote: »

well im one of the boys and im also one of charlies best friends, i think he would be a great leader another bertie

I would say that the last thing FF needs is another Bertie. Except for those FF members who are feeble-minded enough to want to repeat the whole cycle, in which case another Bertie would be just the job!

Stork

storker

leitrim lad wrote: »

your wrong bertie was the best modern leader this country will ever see, and along with that you wouldnt have a pot to piss in if it wasnt for him,

We don't have a pot to piss in - and it is thanks to Bertie.

Stork

Sleipnir

McCreevy was only interested in keeping his racing buddies happy. About a year ago one of his E.U colleagues left a doll or something in his seat because he never showed up cos he wanted to go to Cheltenham (but got paid to, obviously)
Let's see what else he's done...

-boosted public spending by 48pc while cutting income tax in 2003

-Regarding Lisbon, said that no "sane person" would read the document and came to Ireland to tell people that he had not read the treaty and tells people "there is no need to read it."
"Trust me, just vote yes"!

- Wanted the hedge fund industry to be "self-regulated" !

He's a complete ganster.


If you blame the developers and bankers and say it was their fault and not Bertie's, how could he not be incompetant then? All Bertie did was spend the money.

Willie O'Dea? I dunno, I can't look at him without thinking of Groucho Marx.

Cooper-Flynn? Bloody Hell, if she was ever the leader of the country I'd just burn my house down.

Sand

-boosted public spending by 48pc while cutting income tax in 2003

Given the massive growth between 1997 and 2003, that wasnt unjustified. The spending increases were based on real economic growth. Spending increases on Cowens budget were based on the property bubble.

-Regarding Lisbon, said that no "sane person" would read the document and came to Ireland to tell people that he had not read the treaty and tells people "there is no need to read it."
"Trust me, just vote yes"!

He was probably right on both counts. The treaty was drawn up by lawyers. Theyre not known for being concise and to the point. Lets face it, the no side who derided this "he didnt even read it!!!" thing came up with such nonsense about conscription, abortion and so on that it was blatantly obvious they hadnt even seen a copy of the treaty, let alone read it.

- Wanted the hedge fund industry to be "self-regulated" !

Hedge funds arent to blame for our fiscal crisis. Whilst they can and do take huge short positions on corporations and even states, thats only in response to the perceived weakness of those corporation or states. If they were running their own shop correctly, then theres no issue. Lets say you take short positions on Irish banking stocks back when they are still worth more than 1 cent. Its a bet, but it doesnt have any impact on if Irish banking stocks are hugely overvalued because Irish banks have completely mismanaged their risk and lent out billions recklessly with no oversight.

Also, hedge funds ( under Irish law at least) are marketed to "professional investors": theyre not for joe soaps like yourself and myself ( UCITS for us). The investors behind them are assumed to have the knowledge and risk management capabilities to look out for themselves. And its banks that are being bailed out by the tax payer, not hedge funds. Irish non UCITS are basically very lightly regulated: insofar as that Irish law allows for the regulations that do exist to be disapplied by the fund, so long as that is made clear to the investors.

Though, my own advice would be never to give your money to a fund of any sort. Management fees, performance fees and so on are ridiculous. The managers can be complete morons ( some of them are amateur hour) and those who are supposed to be looking out for the interests of shareholders are actually hired and paid by the fund. So theres a conflict of interest right there.

leitrim lad

and what about poor ould PAT O KIEFFE will we give him a twist before he retires, maybe then charlie will be back from europe ready to run the country and clean up biffos mess

population

leitrim lad wrote: »

and what about poor ould PAT O KIEFFE will we give him a twist before he retires, maybe then charlie will be back from europe ready to run the country and clean up biffos mess

Ok. I am fairly sure this thread is a wind up.

However on the off chance that it is not....

Leitrim Lad: Please stand in front of a mirror and take a long hard look. What you see in the reflection is the problem with this country.

I hope that answers any qs you may ever have about this country ever again

leitrim lad

no its not a wind up

the two brians and mary c have to go ,so who will replace them

thebigcheese22

leitrim lad wrote: »

no its not a wind up

the two brians and mary c have to go ,so who will replace them

Eamonn Gilmore, Joan Burton, Ruari Quinn, hell even Richard Bruton... competent politicians. This is what Fianna Fail lacks, as well as courage, and admirable principles.

population

leitrim lad wrote: »

agreed or maybe even pat o kieffe if mc creevy isnt available

Who the hell is 'pat o' kieffe'?????

dresden8

Could you not have convinced Biffo to eff off when you got him to agree to sack the public service?

Dr Galen

this has to be a wind up?

Bertie as the greatest leader we've had? Calls for Willie O'Dea for top job? Seriously guys drunk posting is always gonna turn out this bad

leitrim lad

i dont touch a drink mistik monkey

PAT O KIEFFE is minister for education,

biffo wont leave until we have a leader in place that he thinks in fit for the job, in his eyes going forward

brutal, gilmore,burton,and quinn wouldnt run a tap let alone the country,

if you sent the 4 of them to the lake for water they would come back and tell you there was none ,and you want them on the front line

berween the 4 of them they couldnt count to 10 let alone run a country

Soldie

leitrim lad wrote: »

PAT O KIEFFE is minister for education,

No, Batt O'Keeffe is the incumbent Minister for Education and Science. Didn't you say you were a Fianna Fáil member?

Fr0g

If anyone thinks that a change of leadership would make any difference in FF please look here:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055537800

Dr Galen

from reports today it seems like Brian Cowan also has issues with counting, or more specifically investments. At least we know he was as gullible as the rest of the people caught up in the property bubble. Bit scary though when he has the keys to the safe tho.

leitrim lad

yes but theres no need to briad cast his personal details to the nation ,
what necxt how many times a day he goes to the toilet

Dr Galen

well to a point yes there is a need. Certainly things like his family life etc should be treated with respect. But other aspects of his life, particularly with regard to business dealing are very much in the public domain. It's called transparency, and how we maintain a check and balance system on our public officials.