Boards is bloody confusing!

alegrabaroque

I`m so confused I thought boards was about free speech and sharing your personal opinion. I`m here two days and have got two infractions.

They were both for stating an absolute fact. I was told that I`m not a nice person for my opinion which I found really offensive as I know thats not true. I`m a very sympathetic person but we should all be honest with ourselves, right?

All I proved was it doesn`t matter at what point you choose to have a child it is a decision ergo so is your choice of partner. (unless you are the victim of rape which has no relativity to this discussion and is of course no womans fault ever!)

Is it just that everyone else lacks the ability to be honest even a little bit about themselves? Is it that saying that you had sex is offensive (but if you had a child you had sex so...)?

Its like I know I love my husband but I realise love is a chemical reaction to allow me to procreate with the most suitable gene combination.

Maybe humans are defensive of the reproductive process in order to assure its continuation, inbuilt protection?

I`m honestly lost... I didn`t curse or use any derogatory language...Like on another threat someone just called my belief in something else stupid and akin to the tooth fairy and easter bunny how is that fine and me stating a biological fact is not?



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Originally Posted by Jah Luff View Post
I am 19 I have a car and a baby what am i supposed to do with 100 euro? whipe my ass? cuz thats about all its guna be good for?

ME : Yeah I`ve met alot of single mothers the last few years and yes they do seem to be of the opinion that they can afford to wipe their asses with €100. I`ve heard some of them boast about throwing the coppers out of their purse in the last few years.
Would you have "accidentally" got pregnant if you had to be responsible for your actions? We could all have "accidents". I`m 28 and I would love a baby. I`m married. I lost my job last year and had to go back to college to try to make sure that I`m employable so I can provide for a child. There is no excuse. And now if theres cuts these irresponsible mothers will be protected under our constitution and feck people who tried to be responsible and do things right! Wheres the incentive to do the right thing?! We`re turning into a nation of thugs where people have to be afraid on the street. These people should be discourage from having these children who turn into very angry young people who go out and hurt other people. Less money for single mothers equals a sharp drop in pregnancy.


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Originally Posted by alegrabaroque View Post
Less money for single mothers equals a sharp drop in pregnancy.
Force innocent kids deeper into a poverty trap as a means of contraception?

SOMEONE ELSE :
That'll work.


(Actually I am disgusted anyone can even pretend that one is ok.)


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Originally Posted by aare View Post
Force innocent kids deeper into a poverty trap as a means of contraception?

That'll work.


(Actually I am disgusted anyone can even pretend that one is ok.)

ME :
Ever heard of tough love? The same children aren`t receiving the money anyway there parents are drinking and smoking it (I understand not all but the staticics show the majority unfortunetely). Your right we`ll encourage them to have 10 more that they don`t look after properly and when the stab/shoot/beat your child or someone else you love to death your bleeding heart will bring them back!

SOMEONE ELSE :
There are some that have been put in that postion by their ex partners who dont pay a penny towards their kids Which happens to be my story My ex would rather provide for his lazy jobless self centered GF than his kids but i still have to get on with it!!


Quote:
Originally Posted by alegrabaroque View Post
Well maybe if you`d took the time to get to know him a bit as he wouldn`t have been my first choice as a sperm doner. You made a decision, ok a two second one, but its still a decision why do responsible people have to pay for it? Believe me every legal route should be taken to make him live up to his responsibilities also. Theres still no male contrapceptive as far as I know thou so ultimately shouldn`t you have been on one of the many many many available contraceptives out there or insisted on condoms? Don`t play the victim, victims don`t have a choice.

SOMEONE ELSE :
So now you have psychic powers that tell you how, and why, single mothers met the father's of their children and got pregnant?

I don't think so...


Quote:
Originally Posted by aare View Post
So now you have psychic powers that tell you how, and why, single mothers met the father's of their children and got pregnant?

I don't think so...


ME :
Eh...well as far as I know there is only one way to make a baby?lmfao


Originally Posted by alegrabaroque View Post
Well maybe if you`d took the time to get to know him a bit as he wouldn`t have been my first choice as a sperm doner. You made a decision, ok a two second one, but its still a decision why do responsible people have to pay for it? Believe me every legal route should be taken to make him live up to his responsibilities also. Theres still no male contrapceptive as far as I know thou so ultimately shouldn`t you have been on one of the many many many available contraceptives out there or insisted on condoms? Don`t play the victim, victims don`t have a choice.


SOMEONE ELSE :
What kind of person are you? not a very nice are you ? I am the one thats getting on with my life here i am the one with 20 euro's to do me till next thursday after i paid out everything and got food and the like i dont get out much i gave up smokin, I provide everything my kids needs so stop personally attacking people!



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Originally Posted by alegrabaroque View Post
Eh...well as far as I know there is only one way to make a baby?
Why are you making this personal?


Quote:
Originally Posted by alegrabaroque View Post
Eh...well as far as I know there is only one way to make a baby?lmfao

SOMEONE ELSE :
But I rather think you went into rather more personal, and speculative detail than that, didn't you?

Quote:
Originally Posted by alegrabaroque
Well maybe if you`d took the time to get to know him a bit as he wouldn`t have been my first choice as a sperm doner. You made a decision, ok a two second one, but its still a decision why do responsible people have to pay for it? Believe me every legal route should be taken to make him live up to his responsibilities also. Theres still no male contrapceptive as far as I know thou so ultimately shouldn`t you have been on one of the many many many available contraceptives out there or insisted on condoms? Don`t play the victim, victims don`t have a choice.


SOMEONE ELSE :
That kind of attack is really not justified, nor is it likely to be accurate.

mikemac

Not realy a personal issue.......unless you're traumatized by your treatment from the mods

I don't remember your other posts but I barely read this one. We're not grammar nazi's but ever hear of paragraphs?
If you want help, then help us to help you.
Can you tidy that up?

dudara

Moved to Feedback - Not a Personal Issue

dudara

star-pants

Can you link us to the posts you're talking about perhaps?

Boards is about mostly free speech but there's also rules and respect to be followed.

alegrabaroque

No its personal its stressing me out! I can`t quote two because they deleted them.

Tom Dunne

alegrabaroque wrote: »

I`m so confused I thought boards was about free speech and sharing your personal opinion. I`m here two days and have got two infractions.

There is an introduction to Boards.ie here. Have a read over it.

One of the key points is that Boards.ie can be held liable for what you say, hence there is no free speech. Also, when discussing, you attack the post, not the poster.

Gordon

alegrabaroque wrote: »

I`m so confused I thought boards was about free speech and sharing your personal opinion.

Yes, within reason and without insulting anyone while sticking to the global and forum rules.

I`m here two days and have got two infractions. They were both for stating an absolute fact. I answered a particular person who took what I said personally and referred to their circumstances and denied that they had a hand in there circumstances.

You are talking about this thread.

Your first infraction seems to have been given to you for insulting another user. It sure does look insulting to me. Why talk down to someone like that?

I attempted to illustrate how that was incorrect and got an infraction. I was told that I`m not a nice person for my opinion which I found really offensive as I know thats not true. I`m a very sympathetic person but we should all be honest with ourselves, right?

Now you aren't happy that someone is talking about their opinion with free speech? Free speech is only allowed if it doesn't leave a bad taste in your mouth yeah?

All I proved was it doesn`t matter at what point you choose to have a child it is a decision ergo so is your choice of partner. (unless you are the victim of rape which has no relativity to this discussion and is of course no womans fault ever!) Is it just that everyone else lacks the ability to be honest even a little bit about themselves? Is it that saying that you had sex is offensive (but if you had a child you had sex so...)? Its like I know I love my husband but I realise love is a chemical reaction to allow me to procreate with the most suitable gene combination. Maybe humans are defensive of the reproductive process in order to assure its continuation, inbuilt protection? I`m honestly lost... I didn`t curse or use any derogatory language...Like on another threat someone just called me stupid how is that fine and me stating a biological fact is not?

You made extremely derogatory posts towards another user, and to me it looks like the thread was being dragged off topic because of this.

If someone calls you stupid then please report the post.

alegrabaroque

Can anyone actually point to one insulting thing? I have no idea what anybody could be referring to. I stated nothing but pure fact. I would not insult anybody - I don`t even know them why would I want to hurt their feelings.

I didn`t talk down to anybody your attaching an attitude to my words which I never inferred. Show me where which particular words illustrate a condesending attitude? I didn`t say anybody wasn`t nice, which was what was said to me, I didn`t attach any negative attributes to any person.

Gordon

Just one thing? OK

alegrabaroque wrote: »

Well maybe if you`d took the time to get to know him a bit as he wouldn`t have been my first choice as a sperm doner.

Sweeping judgemental ill-informed insulting statement.

alegrabaroque

Gordon wrote: »

Just one thing? OK

Sweeping judgemental ill-informed insulting statement.

How so? Poster said her ex had a bad character and selfish traits these do not have sudden onset, I assume she only found these things out after pregnancy safe assumption given what she said. I would have insulted her if I assumed she choose to have a child with said man after these traits had emerged but she seems like a hard working mother whose trying to make the best of a bad situation, she`s not a bad person.

I take issue with women giving away there power. We make choices and we have to stand by them. We are not wilting violets or victims of circumstance. This whole "it was an accident" and poor me he left me with children and no money thing just gives the rest of us a bad name. If you arrive at either of these conclusions you do so by exercising poor judgement in one form or another.

Balmed Out

i reckon you could be a little more sympathetic but to be fair your right.

DeVore

We have a civility rule you know. Stuff like:

"Yeah I`ve met alot of single mothers the last few years and yes they do seem to be of the opinion that they can afford to wipe their asses with €100"

actually made me go "woah, thats a bit strong"...

I didnt read the rest because frankly its a mess of editing, I'll review your history (I can see even deleted posts) probably sometime tomorrow (family stuff on Easter Sunday and all). You were only infracted right? no ones , like, dead or anything yeah?


on the flip-side we are working on a condensed set of "rules" which hopefully will explain the way the site works more clearly to new users.

Oh, by the way, can you point me at anything which says you have the right to freedom of speech in Ireland? Anything at all, a reference even. It would come in dead handy in my job as admin here

Finally you are "personally upset" that someone said you were "not a nice person" but you felt perfectly fine about fairly ripping on whole swathes of people and particular posters individually. Free speech for some now is it? mmmm Gander-sauce, i loves me a bit of it on goose.


DeV.

Insect Overlord

The OP has been annoying people over in the Clearasil & Hormones forum as well, with some extremely narrow-minded opinions and poorly expressed sentiments. I don't know if that should be taken into account here, but I think it's worth mentioning.

I also took the time last night to read the posts for which infractions were given, and as a neutral observer I thought they were thoroughly deserved. The tone and expression were both insensensitive and insulting to the user about which they were written.

trickymickey

ah look saying to someone ,do you ever use paragraphs is really rude if you are actually a moderator thats very offensive to start condesending people in that way ..its no wonder on other sites people post bad things about boards moderators.. i am new and do not want to get into trouble but honest the way you are talking to this guy is plain wrong

MagicMarker

OP, when you learn how to use the quote function I'll make an effort to read your post.

smashey

trickymickey wrote: »

i am new

Really?

RoundyMooney

If you can't say something constructive etc.,

That applies both to the OP and some of the respondents here.

Incidentally, I'm still curious about the role and merit of infractions (even having borne witness to the inplementation of them-albeit by accident, as a result of a vBulletin upgrade), given that the powahs that be don't seem to take them seriously, although users are meant to.

Topic for another thread, and one I'll start, later.

alegrabaroque

An File wrote: »

The OP has been annoying people over in the Clearasil & Hormones forum as well, with some extremely narrow-minded opinions and poorly expressed sentiments. I don't know if that should be taken into account here, but I think it's worth mentioning.

I also took the time last night to read the posts for which infractions were given, and as a neutral observer I thought they were thoroughly deserved. The tone and expression were both insensensitive and insulting to the user about which they were written.

Eh where on the clearasil and hormones thread becuase I don`t remember posting there?

Princess Jade

I agree.

K-9

OP, do you not think you could have been more tactful than that?

There are other posters with the same type of point about SW and they don't rub people up the wrong way. When you pick a specific section of society you are going to get a bit of bite back!

Insect Overlord

alegrabaroque wrote: »

Eh where on the clearasil and hormones thread becuase I don`t remember posting there?

First post
Second post
Third post
Fourth post

Dudess

alegrabaroque wrote: »

I`m so confused I thought boards was about free speech

Incorrect.

and sharing your personal opinion.

Correct.

Since it's a privately owned website it's up to the admins what can and can't be said. If it was a state website then free speech rights would be more of a concern.

I think people just find your comments, while they express your opinion which you're entitled to, are a little too harsh and judgemental and taking the moral high ground.
Maybe just make your points in a more reasoned, less confrontational manner.

alegrabaroque

Dudess wrote: »

Incorrect.

Correct.

Since it's a privately owned website it's up to the admins what can and can't be said. If it was a state website then free speech rights would be more of a concern.

I think people just find your comments, while they express your opinion which you're entitled to, are a little too harsh and judgemental and taking the moral high ground.
Maybe just make your points in a more reasoned, less confrontational manner.

But its nothing to do with opinion its a fact?! I`m not taking any moral high ground, where would that even be? Nothing to do with morality. Poster said Victim of circumstance I said not possible factually. Again where is the offense this wouldn`t offend me if the situation was reversed. She seems to be a very hard working mum I have not attached any negative attributes to her personally. I don`t presume to why she made these decission but they are still decission.

Princess Jade

Dudess wrote: »

Incorrect.

Correct.

Since it's a privately owned website it's up to the admins what can and can't be said. If it was a state website then free speech rights would be more of a concern.

I think people just find your comments, while they express your opinion which you're entitled to, are a little too harsh and judgemental and taking the moral high ground.
Maybe just make your points in a more reasoned, less confrontational manner.

I love the reign! All ways said you were a youth quaker Dudess, the dogs lay at your feet, the wind touches your cheek, the stars? they are wraped in your hair

alegrabaroque

An File wrote: »

First post
Second post
Third post
Fourth post

My apologies. I didn`t realise it was under this heading I saw it on the front page.

K-9

alegrabaroque wrote: »

But its nothing to do with opinion its a fact?! I`m not taking any moral high ground, where would that even be? Nothing to do with morality. Poster said Victim of circumstance I said not possible factually. Again where is the offense this wouldn`t offend me if the situation was reversed. She seems to be a very hard working mum I have not attached any negative attributes to her personally. I don`t presume to why she made these decission but they are still decission.

You do realise that yes, a single parent can become one by being a victim of circumstances?

So no, it isn't factual!

aare

Alegrabaroque,

Your final post (now deleted) was actually a judgemental, totally speculative, hypothetical character and lifestyle analysis of another poster...on the Irish Economy Forum...

However you meant it, even if you had been right it was still an unacceptable invasion of another poster's boundaries and privacy...but you were wrong which made it far, far worse.

Princess Jade

I heart her ways

seanybiker

Poor woman moly giving an opinion. Now where is me big spoon.

alegrabaroque

aare wrote: »

Alegrabaroque,

Your final post (now deleted) was actually a judgemental, totally speculative, hypothetical character and lifestyle analysis of another poster...on the Irish Economy Forum...

However you meant it, even if you had been right it was still an unacceptable invasion of another poster's boundaries and privacy...but you were wrong which made it far, far worse.

You still have not provided any example of what was wrong with what I said your just repeating the same thing with no evidence to back it up.

You have to have sex to get pregnant (except in the case of rape which is a separate issue). That is a fact.
If I say everyone with kids immaculately conceives will you be satisfied? This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard to be honest.

alegrabaroque

K-9 wrote: »

You do realise that yes, a single parent can become one by being a victim of circumstances?

So no, it isn't factual!

Yes of course if your widowed your a victim of circumstance (separate issue) which I knew was not the case as poster indicated.

aare

alegrabaroque wrote: »

You still have not provided any example of what was wrong with what I said your just repeating the same thing with no evidence to back it up.

You have to have sex to get pregnant (except in the case of rape which is a separate issue). That is a fact.
If I say everyone with kids immaculately conceives will you be satisfied? This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard to be honest.

I am talking about your last, now deleted, post where you speculated, judgementally, at length, and in detail, on the nature of another posters private home life.

That was inappropriate, and none of your business, before we even get to how insulting it was to the poster.

alegrabaroque

aare wrote: »

I am talking about your last, now deleted, post where you speculated, judgementally, at length, and in detail, on the nature of another posters private home life.

That was inappropriate, and none of your business, before we even get to how insulting it was to the poster.

We`re not getting anywhere here your not making sense. I have never speculated, judgementally, at length, and in detail, on the nature of another posters private home life! How could I? I said everyone, including poster, had sex and made decisions to find themselves with children and everyone jumped down my throat. ITS A BIOLOGICAL FACT!!! requiring no speculation or judgement. You still haven`t quoted one offensive thing, you have access obviously to my posts feel free to pm or post offensive statement and if I am wrong I`ll be more than happy to apologise.

MagicMarker

I can see why you're getting infracted because just reading your posts is pissing me off.

aare

alegrabaroque wrote: »

We`re not getting anywhere here your not making sense. I have never speculated, judgementally, at length, and in detail, on the nature of another posters private home life! How could I? I said everyone, including poster, had sex and made decisions to find themselves with children and everyone jumped down my throat. ITS A BIOLOGICAL FACT!!! requiring no speculation or judgement. You still haven`t quoted one offensive thing, you have access obviously to my posts feel free to pm or post offensive statement and if I am wrong I`ll be more than happy to apologise.

I have no access to deleted posts, I just saw it and remember it. Devore can read your deleted post and see it for himself, when he has time.

It was inappropriately intrusive, and even as such, offensive.

K-9

alegrabaroque wrote: »

We`re not getting anywhere here your not making sense. I have never speculated, judgementally, at length, and in detail, on the nature of another posters private home life! How could I? I said everyone, including poster, had sex and made decisions to find themselves with children and everyone jumped down my throat. ITS A BIOLOGICAL FACT!!! requiring no speculation or judgement. You still haven`t quoted one offensive thing, you have access obviously to my posts feel free to pm or post offensive statement and if I am wrong I`ll be more than happy to apologise.

The problem is you think a single parent cannot be a victim of circumstances, FACT.

They can.

Do I have to explain this?

alegrabaroque

K-9 wrote: »

The problem is you think a single parent cannot be a victim of circumstances, FACT.

They can.

Do I have to explain this?

Yes please I would appreciate that.

alegrabaroque

aare wrote: »

I have no access to deleted posts, I just saw it and remember it. Devore can read your deleted post and see it for himself, when he has time.

It was inappropriately intrusive, and even as such, offensive.

Posts were quoted before they were deleted so they`re still there, feel free to copy and paste any example.

alegrabaroque

MagicMarker wrote: »

I can see why you're getting infracted because just reading your posts is pissing me off.

Why?

aare

alegrabaroque wrote: »

Posts were quoted before they were deleted so they`re still there, feel free to copy and paste any example.

There is no quote anywhere of your last post that was deleted, and that is the one I am referring to.

WhiteWashMan

alegrabaroque wrote: »

We`re not getting anywhere here your not making sense.

if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its usually duck.

you will also find that if you have an opinion and everyone else disagrees with you, it should tell you something.

alegrabaroque wrote: »

I have never speculated,

Yeah I`ve met alot of single mothers the last few years and yes they do seem to be of the opinion that they can afford to wipe their asses with €100.

your opening statment right there is speculation. it is not stated as fact, it is a mention of appearances. if you want to be nit picking over semantics, then youre already incorrect with your own argument.


The same children aren`t receiving the money anyway there parents are drinking and smoking it (I understand not all but the staticics show the majority unfortunetely).

back it up with proof of your statisic and I will start to take you seriously. otherwise, this is just your opinion made to look like fact.

alegrabaroque wrote: »

I said everyone, including poster, had sex and made decisions to find themselves with children and everyone jumped down my throat.

there is a difference between having sex and procreating. if you cant see that, then i suggest you dont give your 2c worth.

you have even said that you have had sex, but dont have kids. so in fact, you are just using a broadsweeping generalisation that is not even based on your own experiences. bit hypocritical dont you think?

alegrabaroque wrote: »

You still haven`t quoted one offensive thing, you have access obviously to my posts feel free to pm or post offensive statement and if I am wrong I`ll be more than happy to apologise.

oh, i didnt find anything you have said offensive, but then again, im seperated from the emotive argument.
having said that, i can see why some people would be offended by your stance, especially considering you are stating your opinion as fact, and that you actually have little to no real experience in the matter at hand.

youre hardly a character or expert witness now are you.

move to strike this witnesses statements from the record your honour.




let me give you a tip. if you want to go hard at someone, back up what you say with real fact. if you want to have a go and express your opinion, make sure you let people know its your opinion.

but dont come crying when you give your opinion and people dont like you for it. have some sort of responsibility for what you say.

or.

get over it.

K-9

alegrabaroque wrote: »

Yes please I would appreciate that.

OK, Married couple have sex. Birds and the bees and all that.

They split up.

Neither party had any intention of being a single parent, but stuff happens.

Victim of circumstances?

aare

WhiteWashMan wrote: »

move to strike this witnesses statements from the record your honour.

No objection, your honour.

alegrabaroque

WhiteWashMan wrote: »

if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its usually duck.

you will also find that if you have an opinion and everyone else disagrees with you, it should tell you something.



Yeah I`ve met alot of single mothers the last few years and yes they do seem to be of the opinion that they can afford to wipe their asses with €100.

your opening statment right there is speculation. it is not stated as fact, it is a mention of appearances. if you want to be nit picking over semantics, then youre already incorrect with your own argument.


The same children aren`t receiving the money anyway there parents are drinking and smoking it (I understand not all but the staticics show the majority unfortunetely).

back it up with proof of your statisic and I will start to take you seriously. otherwise, this is just your opinion made to look like fact.



there is a difference between having sex and procreating. if you cant see that, then i suggest you dont give your 2c worth.

you have even said that you have had sex, but dont have kids. so in fact, you are just using a broadsweeping generalisation that is not even based on your own experiences. bit hypocritical dont you think?


oh, i didnt find anything you have said offensive, but then again, im seperated from the emotive argument.
having said that, i can see why some people would be offended by your stance, especially considering you are stating your opinion as fact, and that you actually have little to no real experience in the matter at hand.

youre hardly a character or expert witness now are you.

move to strike this witnesses statements from the record your honour.




let me give you a tip. if you want to go hard at someone, back up what you say with real fact. if you want to have a go and express your opinion, make sure you let people know its your opinion.

but dont come crying when you give your opinion and people dont like you for it. have some sort of responsibility for what you say.

or.

get over it.

1) Yes and already posted my examples of below statement in more detail. This is a fact from personal experience -

Yeah I`ve met alot of single mothers the last few years and yes they do seem to be of the opinion that they can afford to wipe their asses with €100.

2) This statement was in regards to my opinion that single motherhood should no longer be inncentivised and the payments should be cut. It was mentioned that children would then live in poverty and I pointed out that they currently do due to their money being spent on cigarettes and alcohol -

Smoking stats - https://www.healthhub.ie/index.cfm/archives/yes/LOC/2-1-1/spPage/18/articleId/84DA730E-D997-462C-A1331CB1F57D7E51.htm

Alchohol stats - http://www.publichealth.ie/publications/iphresponsetothegovernmentalcoholadvisorygroup

I have also personal observed this.

3) Not hypocritical, proves my point I`ve had a lot of sex (am capable of reproduction) and have not gotten pregnant because I desided not to - simple.

4) Plenty of experience on this subject have decided, quite responsibly I think, to hold off having children till I can cater for them. And as mentioned crave a child from the bottom of my heart - this was and is a very difficult decision in all respects.

5) In no way shape or form "crying" just perplexed by the absolute denial of a biologically certain fact.

alegrabaroque

K-9 wrote: »

OK, Married couple have sex. Birds and the bees and all that.

They split up.

Neither party had any intention of being a single parent, but stuff happens.

Victim of circumstances?

Well not just married couples but yes people have sex and isn`t it wonderful! We have evolved thou we`re not animals and unless you decide to make a baby you have a huge choice of contraception out there or as a last resort natural methods. And no 100% of the people who claim to "accidentally" got pregnant do not fit into the minute percentile for who contraception fails -
http://pregnancyandbaby.com/pregnancy/baby/Pregnancy-rates-for-birth-control-methods-2593.htm

Stuff happens - well yes but I don`t believe this comes under that heading. You choose the person and unless you`ve choosen incorrectly why would you split up?

Looked it up in the cambridge dictionary -
2 FORMAL events that change your life, over which you have no control:
They were victims of circumstance.

The element of choice excluded the phrase from this particular situation.

And your not a victim if your a single mother anyway - Your lucky to have a child, lucky you made that choice. I`m just asking that you own it and be responsible for it.

aare

alegrabaroque wrote: »

You choose the person and unless you`ve choosen incorrectly why would you split up?

If you believe that, then you have a great deal to learn about reality.

K-9

alegrabaroque wrote: »

This is a fact from personal experience

Ah, Eureka.

It's your personal experience, not FACTUAL.

NAIL, ON HEAD!


End of thread.

PS. You've a point but you have misinterpreted and misconstrued your point. Your point is not against Single parents, which is why people took offence.

Look at your point again and RETHINK.

Also reread this thread, the points about posting style in particular.

alegrabaroque

No other people need to be more observent and thorough in their analysis!

I could tell you what my husband would do in every hypothetical situation. I spent years getting to know everything about him. If negative personality traits had emerged I would have left. This is to important its my partner for life and the person who I`m going to mix my genes with. I am safe in the knowledge that this man will never volunterily leave my side nor will he ever betray me. I respect him more than I have ever respected anyone and I have more than ample reason to. All examples show his good character consistently over the ten years we`ve been together.

Eg I had a best friend for years she drank did drugs - ok not what I`d do but thats fine. She had a friend they used to smoke hash together - ok fine whatever. Her friend had a baby - we lived together she came home from friends house stoned mentioned they were smoking in the room with the baby. Free choice is what I`m about but not when it affects someone else and particularly a child. The acceptance of a situation like this says something about someones character. It says run in the opposite direction. Obviously haven`t spoken to her since.

There is always indicators of someones general character. You can choose to ignore, deny or accept them but thats a choice.

K-9

alegrabaroque wrote: »

No other people need to be more observent and thorough in their analysis!

I could tell you what my husband would do in every hypothetical situation. I spent years getting to know everything about him. If negative personality traits had emerged I would have left. This is to important its my partner for life and the person who I`m going to mix my genes with. I am safe in the knowledge that this man will never volunterily leave my side nor will he ever betray me. I respect him more than I have ever respected anyone and I have more than ample reason to. All examples show his good character consistently over the ten years we`ve been together.

Eg I had a best friend for years she drank did drugs - ok not what I`d do but thats fine. She had a friend they used to smoke hash together - ok fine whatever. Her friend had a baby - we lived together she came home from friends house stoned mentioned they were smoking in the room with the baby. Free choice is what I`m about but not when it affects someone else and particularly a child. The acceptance of a situation like this says something about someones character. It says run in the opposite direction. Obviously haven`t spoken to her since.

There is always indicators of someones general character. You can choose to ignore, deny or accept them but thats a choice.

So, it isn't FACTUAL?

alegrabaroque

K-9 wrote: »

Ah, Eureka.

It's your personal experience, not FACTUAL.

NAIL, ON HEAD!


End of thread.

PS. You've a point but you have misinterpreted and misconstrued your point. Your point is not against Single parents, which is why people took offence.

Look at your point again and RETHINK.

Also reread this thread, the points about posting style in particular.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fact

–noun 1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.
5. Law. Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence.


Excus me but if you read my post relating to my experience it is a cold hard fact. They were there I was there they spoke openly of a disrespect for money that is a fact see above definition.

Your right I`m not anti anybody or anything except people lying to me and themselves and expecting other people to pay for it. I choose to have a car should you pay for the petrol?

K-9

alegrabaroque wrote: »

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fact

–noun 1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact. 2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact. 3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth. 4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable. 5. Law. Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of fact, question of law
If you read my post relating to my experience it is a cold hard fact. They were there I was there they spoke openly of a disrespect for money that is a fact see above definition.

So, it's FACTUAL, in your own words?

The facts given by the witness are highly questionable, TRUE?