Easter lily

The Al Lad

Anyone know where I can buy an easter lily in dublin ???

Will anyone be wearing the Easter Lily to remember those who died in 1916 ???

Shane-1

I will, we all should regardless of political leanings, we owe a lot to those that died.

They should be for sale around Dublin, I know some of the Ogra lads from the colleges are meant to be selling them around the streets. If you dont spot any of those hanging around you can get them in the Sinn Fein shop on Parnell Square, in fact they sell a lovely metal one for only a few euros.

Sand

Id wear one for the innocent Dubliners that were killed. I am not motivated to wear one that supports the concept of a tiny militant vanguard having the right to kill people as they alone determine.

Shane-1

Sand wrote: »

Id wear one for the innocent Dubliners that were killed. I am not motivated to wear one that supports the concept of a tiny militant vanguard having the right to kill people as they alone determine.

Would you remember the people murdered and discriminated against by a foreign government as well? Do ye have to come trolling every thread set up like this one?

Sand

Would you remember the people murdered and discriminated against by a foreign government as well?

Ah textbook whataboutery.

Yeah, I said the innocent Dubliners killed. I didnt qualify that in any way.

Do ye have to come trolling every thread set up like this one?

Oh, when the question was posted on a public forum I thought it was open for discussion. I didnt realise it was intended as a circle jerk of group think. Apologies.

Allah Hu Akbar

Shane-1 wrote: »

Would you remember the people murdered and discriminated against by a foreign government as well? Do ye have to come trolling every thread set up like this one?

Never mind him mate. He's one of those types he would have no problem wearing a poppy.

I wear one every year as everyone should although mine isn't a paper one.

Anyone know where I can buy an easter lily in dublin ???

You can get them off Sinn Fein, but you can buy them off the National Graves Association all money is put towards the keeping of monuments.

segaBOY

Sand wrote: »

Id wear one for the innocent Dubliners that were killed. I am not motivated to wear one that supports the concept of a tiny militant vanguard having the right to kill people as they alone determine.

To be fair Sand the OP was asking where to buy one?

Every other poster has given suggestions, I appreciate your point of view but your post seems a bit trollish without any suggestions of where one can be purchased.

As Shane said Ógra are selling them, some of the older FF lads I know have one that says "Old IRA" on it to distinguish them from the ones the Provos used to wear-does anyone know if they are still for sale anywhere?

O'Coonassa

Allah Hu Akbar wrote: »

Never mind him mate. He's one of those types he would have no problem wearing a poppy.

What about people whose granda or whatever died at flanders or fighting Hitler? Are you saying those people shouldn't stick a flower in their lapel to remember them? That's pretty harsh.

Sand

To be fair Sand the OP was asking where to buy one?

And he also asked:

Will anyone be wearing the Easter Lily to remember those who died in 1916 ???

Like I said, I've no problem with the commemoration of the innocent Dubliners who were killed, but I find the celebration of their killers as disturbing. If people want to celebrate the killing of Dubliners by a militant vanguards that fine, plenty of people support the Provos using a similar logic. Theyre wrong, but it is their right to do so.

Never mind him mate. He's one of those types he would have no problem wearing a poppy.

We've had the whataboutery, and now the West Brit accusations. :rolleyes:

Never change, never change.

Dyr

I remember seeing an aul lad down in the sticks wearing one upside down once. I was told it was an old FF thing but he might have just been a bit senile.

Shane-1

Sand wrote: »

And he also asked:



Like I said, I've no problem with the commemoration of the innocent Dubliners who were killed, but I find the celebration of their killers as disturbing. If people want to celebrate the killing of Dubliners by a militant vanguards that fine, plenty of people support the Provos using a similar logic. Theyre wrong, but it is their right to do so.



We've had the whataboutery, and now the West Brit accusations. :rolleyes:

Never change, never change.

celebration of the killers of innocent Dubliners...... deary me.

And you are right that this is a public forum and you can join in, indeed everyone is more than welcome, but I think I would be justified in saying that you are coming on here simply to annoy people. For instance, the religious forums are also public forums but I would not be going on there telling people god doesnt exist or whatnot, if I did it would be clearly an attempt to simply annoy people.

LordSutch

I always thought it was only the Shinners who wore the Easter Lilly? so I presume you can get them at Sinn Fein/IRA offices. Personally speaking, I would only wear the Poppy as a mark of respect for all the Allied (inc 35k Irish) soldiers who died in WWI + WWII, although in recent years my thoughts have also included the 'two or three hundred' casualties from all sides, who died in Dublin (1916).

I have no problem with other people wearing the Easter lilly, its just not my cuppa.

Shane-1

Camelot wrote: »

I always thought it was only the Shinners who wore the Easter Lilly? so I presume you can get them at Sinn Fein/IRA offices.

Personally speaking, I would only wear the Poppy as a mark of respect for all the Allied (inc 35k Irish) soldiers who died in WWI + WWII, although in recent years my thoughts have also included the 'two or three hundred' casualties from all sides, who died in Dublin (1916).

I have no problem with other people wearing the Easter lilly, its just not my cuppa.

Sinn Fein/ IRA offices? For gods sake :rolleyes:

Ignoring that gem and moving on, I have been thinking recently what about commemorating the Irish who died in WW1 with a modified poppy or similar emblem coloured in the Irish colours, similar to our lily. A gesture to acknowledge the tragedy of these peoples death without glorifying a British war effort which gave nothing to our country or the combatants who left from our shores.

LordSutch

Shane-1 wrote: »

A gesture to acknowledge the tragedy of these peoples death without glorifying a British war effort which gave nothing to our country or the combatants who left from our shores.

No Glorifyng intended Shane, indeed remembrance Sunday is a very solemn affair, and the poor chaps who fell on the Somme (1916) fell mostly in the Poppy Fields > Hence the red Poppy as a mark of respect.
As regards your claim that 'their deaths gave nothing' to this country! we (Allies) did stop Hitler, didnt we?

Thirty Five Thousand 'Irish' War dead ........................

i71jskz5xu42pb

I would not wear one for the same reason I would not wear the poppy - I'd hate to be associated with the people (Sinn Fein in this case) that have latched on to it as their own.

Allah Hu Akbar

Camelot wrote: »

No Glorifyng intended Shane, indeed remembrance Sunday is a very solemn affair, and the poor chaps who fell on the Somme (1916) fell mostly in the Poppy Fields > Hence the red Poppy as a mark of respect.
As regards your claim that 'their deaths gave nothing' to this country! we (Allies) did stop Hitler, didnt we?

Only because of America, they were whipping yer ass before that.

Camelot wrote: »

Thirty Five Thousand 'Irish' War dead ........................

For nothing.

Shane-1

Camelot wrote: »

No Glorifyng intended Shane, indeed remembrance Sunday is a very solemn affair, and the poor chaps who fell on the Somme (1916) fell mostly in the Poppy Fields > Hence the red Poppy as a mark of respect.

Thirty Five Thousand 'Irish' War dead ........................

Yes very true, but it would be understandably hard to get people to support wearing the poppy, I wouldnt wear that one. I would however wear our own tribute to our own people. It was not an Irish war and it served no gains for our country, thus I would not wear a tribute to it, but I would certainly have no problems commemorating our dead from it; men forced into war in the hope of earning money in hard times, men duped into the war in the belief that it would benifit Irish nationalist aspirations and the tragedy of young men searching for adventure. Of course they should be remembered and commemorated, but not as part of a rememberence of the British war effort who sent them to be butchered. Lets commemorate them ourselves.

mirror mirror

i will be wearing one in rememberance of irish men + women who fought the war of indepedence. i dont care who else wears or doesnt wear one.

LordSutch

There is a sizeable amount of people in the South who openly wear the Poppy to this day (me included)!

Family history etc ...............

But as I have already said, I wouldn't mind if I saw someone wearing the Easter Lilly.

Pride Fighter

Camelot wrote: »

There is a sizeable amount of people in the South who openly wear the Poppy to this day (me included)!

Family history etc ...............

But as I have already said, I wouldn't mind if I saw someone wearing the Easter Lilly.

The South. You from Cork?

brianthebard

Camelot wrote: »

No Glorifyng intended Shane, indeed remembrance Sunday is a very solemn affair, and the poor chaps who fell on the Somme (1916) fell mostly in the Poppy Fields > Hence the red Poppy as a mark of respect.
As regards your claim that 'their deaths gave nothing' to this country! we (Allies) did stop Hitler, didnt we?

Thirty Five Thousand 'Irish' War dead ........................

Hitler wasn't in power during WWI....

i71jskz5xu42pb

brianthebard wrote: »

Hitler wasn't in power during WWI....

Your point being what exactly?

Remembrance Day commemorates dead from both wars, not just the first.

Dyr

Olive Steep Cafe wrote: »

Your point being what exactly?

Remembrance Day commemorates dead from both wars, not just the first.

And the boer war, and the war of independance, and the troubles and every other colonial war the british empire sent troops into.

Sand

celebration of the killers of innocent Dubliners...... deary me.

What are you celebrating then? If its not the killers of innocent Dubliners, then what is it?

And you are right that this is a public forum and you can join in, indeed everyone is more than welcome, but I think I would be justified in saying that you are coming on here simply to annoy people. For instance, the religious forums are also public forums but I would not be going on there telling people god doesnt exist or whatnot, if I did it would be clearly an attempt to simply annoy people.

I dont know if I am more than welcome. Your harsh accusations and abuse have made me feel somewhat unwelcome from this circle jerk

Maybe it should have been posted at the Irish Republican forum if all you wanted was people agreeing with each other. When you post it on a mainstream political forum, people other than people who already agree with you may post. Terrible I know.

For the record, I have never posted on www.irishrepublican.net ( I get all the knuckle dragging Provo bollocks I can stomach here...let alone venturing into the lair of murderous stupidity itself), so you're trolling accusations and terrible analogy are clearly disproven Sir.

Allah Hu Akbar

Sand wrote: »

What are you celebrating then? If its not the killers of innocent Dubliners, then what is it?

So you think wearing a lilly is to do with the innocent people who were killed?

Sand wrote: »

I dont know if I am more than welcome. Your harsh accusations and abuse have made me feel somewhat unwelcome from this circle jerk

My god you have it in one.

Sand wrote: »

Maybe it should have been posted at the Irish Republican forum if all you wanted was people agreeing with each other. When you post it on a mainstream political forum, people other than people who already agree with you may post. Terrible I know.

For the record, I have never posted on www.irishrepublican.net ( I get all the knuckle dragging Provo bollocks I can stomach here...let alone venturing into the lair of murderous stupidity itself), so you're trolling accusations and terrible analogy are clearly disproven Sir.

Actually I'm on that forum and it's a good forum for anyone who wants to join it.

Disproven? You're clearly a troll every bloody thread you come into you're always trolling.

By the way wearing a lilly has nothing to do with the provos, once again you're trolling.

segaBOY

Can we not stop bickering and to the point at hand?

Seriously like the OP's main question was where to buy one in Dublin?

And no I won't be wearing one because it gets too much linkage with SF who I don't support in any way. But that's just personal opinion and whatever anyone else thinks frankly I don't care.

jank

In fairness SAND you just cant help yourself sometimes. Its easy to criticize then to stand for something.

If someone wants to wear a lily or a poppy or rabbit $hit then they are free do to so IMO

Exile 1798

The Al Lad wrote: »

Anyone know where I can buy an easter lily in dublin ???

Will anyone be wearing the Easter Lily to remember those who died in 1916 ???

Certainly I will.

I always try and attend a commemoration no matter where I am. I've been to ones in New York, London, Birmingham and Sydney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09h68DkKsW4

We serve neither King nor Kaiser - but Ireland.

flas

the red poppy commerates all british soldiers killed or injured in all conflict,this includes in the north and the current soldiers in the middle east. if you do not wish to commerate these soldiers for what ever reason but still would like to commerate the soldiers killed in WW1 AND WW2 then id say the white poppy is for you which is also sold around poppy day. from my own personal view there is nothing wrong with the white poppy as many irish men were killed in either war trying to get some money to feed their families, i know my own great grandad was in WW1 and was injured so i would definetly not object to the poppy,just once its the white poppy.

jank

Only because of America, they were whipping yer ass before that.

Russia would have beaten the third reich on their own. The myth that the US won the European war on their own is Hollywood history.

guinnessdrinker

I rarely see people wearing either the Easter lilly or the poppy, in fact I think I have only ever seen one person ever wearing a poppy and that was only last year.

However, I would like to see a new symbol that would remember all Irishmen that were killed in battle including both world wars, 1916 rising, the war of independance, the civil war and also Irish peacekeepers killed overseas.

VO

I would have no problem wearing an Easter Lily to commerorate the heroes of 1916 , however if it adds to the coffers of Sinn Fein/IRA murderers I will not purchase one.

I do buy and wear a poppy to remember all of people who died in WW1 , soldiers and civilians.

CSC

VO wrote: »

I would have no problem wearing an Easter Lily to commerorate the heroes of 1916 , however if it adds to the coffers of Sinn Fein/IRA murderers I will not purchase one.

I do buy and wear a poppy to remember all of people who died in WW1 , soldiers and civilians.

This is a debate that happens on a regular basis but I can't see the difference between the rebels of 1916 who launched a rising resulting in hundreds dead and with virtually no support and the "rebels" of the PIRA. To call one set of rebels "heroes" and the others "murderers" doesn't make any sense.

i71jskz5xu42pb

CSC wrote: »

This is a debate that happens on a regular basis but I can't see the difference between the rebels of 1916 who launched a rising resulting in hundreds dead and with virtually no support and the "rebels" of the PIRA. To call one set of rebels "heroes" and the others "murderers" doesn't make any sense.

Somewhat valid point but the 1916 guys:

• Didn't target civilians
• Were not involved in organised crime
• Didn't murder British army forces in cold blood i.e. they took their stand at various points and fought openly rather than the tactic of putting a bomb under a car or shooting a sentry outside a barracks. Open to correction on that though

I guess that is why the are viewed as being more noble.

I'm sure the way we were all educated has an influence as well.

Sand

So you think wearing a lilly is to do with the innocent people who were killed?

Nope - if it was, Id wear one. But its not about that. Its about celebrating the killers of innocent Dubliners.

My god you have it in one.

Actually I'm on that forum and it's a good forum for anyone who wants to join it.

Yeah, I already assumed your ability to engage with views different to your own was honed in some forum like that. It must be a great forum with a wonderful, stimulating exchange of ideas between 40 shades of green....

I wonder why the Provos ever had to start shooting people who disagreed with them when they are so fond of vigorous debate?

Disproven? You're clearly a troll every bloody thread you come into you're always trolling.

No really, I do honestly disagree with you. You've probably not encountered a different viewpoint on provo.net or those other great forums you frequent, but it will get easier with time. Or you can just stop opening threads in case people on them disagree with you.

By the way wearing a lilly has nothing to do with the provos, once again you're trolling

Another poster has already made the point:

This is a debate that happens on a regular basis but I can't see the difference between the rebels of 1916 who launched a rising resulting in hundreds dead and with virtually no support and the "rebels" of the PIRA. To call one set of rebels "heroes" and the others "murderers" doesn't make any sense.

I agree it doesnt make any sense to support one tiny, militant vaguard faction and not support another when they are both using the same logic to justify their actions, for the same cause, against the same enemy.

Provo sympathisers and apologists agree with me on this, and often note that people who criticise the Provos as terrorists are hypocrites if they support the 1916 rising - I am not a hypocrite: I dont celebrate the Provos, and I dont celebrate the killers of ordinary, innocent Dubliners. I am fairly consistent with regard to tiny, unsupported, militant vanguard groups inflicting their views on a democratic, representitive political process.

In fairness SAND you just cant help yourself sometimes. Its easy to criticize then to stand for something.

If someone wants to wear a lily or a poppy or rabbit $hit then they are free do to so IMO

I havent made it illegal for them to do so. Yet.

gurramok

Sand wrote: »

Nope - if it was, Id wear one. But its not about that. Its about celebrating the killers of innocent Dubliners.

Will you be remembering Dublin citizens murdered by British forces?

Sand wrote: »

Provo sympathisers and apologists agree with me on this, and often note that people who criticise the Provos as terrorists are hypocrites if they support the 1916 rising - I am not a hypocrite: I dont celebrate the Provos, and I dont celebrate the killers of ordinary, innocent Dubliners. I am fairly consistent with regard to tiny, unsupported, militant vanguard groups inflicting their views on a democratic, representitive political process.

The Provos have nothing to do with 1916, they didnt exist then. I find your post insulting to the memory of those who founded this nation state and that is subversive.

jank

I havent made it illegal for them to do so. Yet.

Eh?

Can'tseeme

Sinn Fein go around the doors in west Belfast selling them. Which is handy enough.

futurehope

I'll be taking time out to remember all those murdered by SF/IRA in the name of Irish Unity, including those innocent men slaughtered at Kingsmill:

http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/kingsmill.htm

Lest We Forget...

FTA69

Olive Steep Cafe wrote: »

Somewhat valid point but the 1916 guys:

[*]Didn't target civilians

Neither did the IRA in any of its incarnations, however there is no doubting that civilians often died as a result of their actions, the IRA in Cork once threw a Mills bomb into a crowded pub which contained British soldiers.

[*]Were not involved in organised crime

Nonsense, they were robbing anything they could get their hands on, i.e trains. Similarly, when that whole "moving statue" lark started up the IRA were first on the scene to charge people admission.

[*]Didn't murder British army forces in cold blood i.e. they took their stand at various points and fought openly rather than the tactic of putting a bomb under a car or shooting a sentry outside a barracks. Open to correction on that though

What about Bloody Sunday, when Michael Collins had 12 odd people shot dead in their beds and in front of their wives? Or when they shot octogenarian Alan Bell in the face on a tram because he was investigating accounts in which IRA finances were held? The IRA killed their targets when and where they found them, they had no qualms in shooting people in their underpants or in their sleep.

The war they fought was just as bloody and vicious as the one the Provos fought, there's no point in romanticising the past.

Here's an interesting link for your enjoyment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgn15X5qroM

Grudaire

futurehope wrote: »

I'll be taking time out to remember all those murdered by SF/IRA in the name of Irish Unity, including those innocent men slaughtered at Kingsmill:

http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/kingsmill.htm

Lest We Forget...

Ah here - are we to list everyone that was murdered? I'm not a fan of those 'FAIR' style sites - 'The IRA are not to be confused with Shamrocks, Leprachauns, fiddles, and Guinness beer' (I assume they mean stout:rolleyes:) I mean it would be niceer to see a site which tells ALL the stories of the troubles rather then a single side.

However more importantly feck off and I'll discuss this in another thread - we are after all not talking about them here.

FTA69 wrote: »

What about Bloody Sunday, when Michael Collins had 12 odd people shot dead in their beds and in front of their wives? Or when they shot octogenarian Alan Bell in the face on a tram because he was investigating accounts in which IRA finances were held? The IRA killed their targets when and where they found them, they had no qualms in shooting people in their underpants or in their sleep.

The war they fought was just as bloody and vicious as the one the Provos fought, there's no point in romanticising the past.

Here's an interesting link for your enjoyment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgn15X5qroM

You seem to have a decent grip on Irish history - I'm sure you will note that bloody Sunday was AFTER the rising (In fact there was a few before and after - but the one you refer toWikipedia).

Now I think the 1916 heroes should be celebrated - they took a stand against the external oppression of a foreign master on Ireland. Something I definitely appreciate - ar deis dé a raibh a n'anamacha

jimmmy

Can'tseeme wrote: »

Sinn Fein go around the doors in west Belfast selling them. Which is handy enough.

They would be well used to knocking on doors uninvited. Ask the relatives of the disappeared, inc the mother of ten from west Belfast. No thanks, no Easter Lily for me.

Grudaire

jimmmy wrote: »

They would be well used to knocking on doors uninvited. Ask the relatives of the disappeared, inc the mother of ten from west Belfast. No thanks, no Easter Lily for me.

Basically you're letting Sinn Féin hijack the Easter lilly...

i71jskz5xu42pb

FTA69 wrote: »

Neither did the IRA in any of its incarnations, however there is no doubting that civilians often died as a result of their actions, the IRA in Cork once threw a Mills bomb into a crowded pub which contained British soldiers.

To say that the IRA didn't target civilians and in the same sentence say they threw a bomb into a crowded pub makes no sense. It's hair splitting at best.

And was it not an incarnations/splinter of the IRA that carried out the Omagh bombing.


Fair enough on your other points though - I do agree that the past has been romanticising, same as any country I guess.

Grudaire

Olive Steep Cafe wrote: »

And was it not an incarnations/splinter of the IRA that carried out the Omagh bombing.

I think you misunderstand the use of 'Real' before IRA

i71jskz5xu42pb

Cliste wrote: »

I think you misunderstand the use of 'Real' before IRA

Is the Real IRA not a splinter of the IRA? Not being smart, that's a question - Wikipedia seems to think so, so that makes it a fact I guess.

In any case I don't really go for the Judean People's Front/People's Front of Judea distinctions - if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, chances are ...

Rebelheart

If somebody could explain why Irish people should honour Irish-born people who fought and died for the diverse causes of killing Irish freedom fighters, shoving women, children and men into the concentration camps and "enclosed villages" of South Africa and Kenya, the torture chambers of Iraq and Afghanistan and much, much else that is morally objectionable, I'd like to hear it.

If it is because they are Irish-born, then we might as well honour every other Irish-born murderer, rapist, and barbarian who carried out similar inhumane acts without the cover of the British state. How very tribal indeed.

There is no intellectual or moral support for honouring such people. None whatever. It is simply not challenged because of the peace process and the "greater good". Let's not try and dress it up.

Grudaire

Olive Steep Cafe wrote: »

Is the Real IRA not a splinter of the IRA? Not being smart, that's a question - Wikipedia seems to think so, so that makes it a fact I guess.

In any case I don't really go for the Judean People's Front/People's Front of Judea distinctions - if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, chances are ...

I apologise unreservedly - I completely mis-read you comment. Well it's more a splinter of the PIRA.

I personally think that the IRA and P/R/CIRA are totally seperate.

The IRA were a different group altogether - it should be remembered that when that group split it was the civil war. And half of them went into government, later to be joined by the other half. Any reference to them being the same as the PIRA etc is laughable

VO

CSC wrote: »

This is a debate that happens on a regular basis but I can't see the difference between the rebels of 1916 who launched a rising resulting in hundreds dead and with virtually no support and the "rebels" of the PIRA. To call one set of rebels "heroes" and the others "murderers" doesn't make any sense.

I do not recall reading anywhere that the rebels of 1916 planted no warning bombs targetted at civilian casualties or targetted people because of their religous persuasion, which was something that the gangsters in Sinn Fein/IRA did many time sover the troubles. In 1916 the target of the rebels was solely the British Army not the citizens of Dublin.

Can'tseeme

jimmmy wrote: »

They would be well used to knocking on doors uninvited. Ask the relatives of the disappeared, inc the mother of ten from west Belfast. No thanks, no Easter Lily for me.

Believe me they're invited into the homes of west Belfast jimmmy. Just look at their election results in the constituency over the years.

Allah Hu Akbar

Olive Steep Cafe wrote: »

To say that the IRA didn't target civilians and in the same sentence say they threw a bomb into a crowded pub makes no sense. It's hair splitting at best.

And was it not an incarnations/splinter of the IRA that carried out the Omagh bombing.


Fair enough on your other points though - I do agree that the past has been romanticising, same as any country I guess.

I would condemn the killing of any innocent person been killed, but to try and suggest the IRA just went out to murder innocent people is totally wrong just look at the the Manchester bombing or Canary Wharf where hundreds if not thousands could have died.

But once again wearing of a easter lilly has nothing to do with Sinn Fein or the PIRA/CIRA/RIRA.