24/7 begins!

walshb

I see the Hatton-Pacquiao show will start April 11th.
I like these shows. They really get one in
the mood.

Will we have to rely on youtube for this?
I do believe Sky One or Sky Sports show episodes!

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=19331&more=1

03mcgs0

walshb wrote: »

I see the Hatton-Pacquiao show will start April 11th.
I like these shows. They really get one in
the mood.

Will we have to rely on youtube for this?
I do believe Sky One or Sky Sports show episodes!

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=19331&more=1

Can someone confirm do Sky 1 show 24/7?? Really like the show and I dont have sky sports in this gaff

cowzerp

They normally do but have not confirmed it yet, they know it helps to sell the fights so will..

i love the 24/7 thing, really gets the interest going..

duagre

Thats a hell of a nights boxing on tv for the folks in America. They have the U.S premier of that wonderful Ali vs Frasier doc that was shown here a while back. Then you have some good live action in Williams vs Wright, and then 24/7 episode 1 to round off the evening. I could definately think of worse ways to spend a few hours.

joepenguin

I'm really looking forward to this one. 24/7 is always good but this is the best fight to have one.

Big Ears

03mcgs0 wrote: »

Can someone confirm do Sky 1 show 24/7?? Really like the show and I dont have sky sports in this gaff

I can't give you an official confirmation but with Hatton being part of the main event and this being on Sky Box Office I can 99.99% guarantee it.

It really helps sell ppv buys and it won't be expensive to get from HBO.

Johnduddy

24/7 happy days- love it !

cmon manny lookin forward to you doin the business !

Dont know how many of you on here are hatton fans but rippin the piss out of a 37-0 record before he fought tzyu got to me.

I lost a fortune on the tszyu fight - won it back against mayweather though !! Long wait but I knew he'd be exposed !

Incidentally, on hatton, his reasons for dropping Billy Graham ? Opinions ?

On here some people have drawn comparisons about "the next level" with Dunne & Harry Hawkins there may be Similarities ????

I have my own opinion on it, Ive mentioned before - just wondering what youse think ?

Big Ears

Johnduddy wrote: »

24/7 happy days- love it !

cmon manny lookin forward to you doin the business !

Dont know how many of you on here are hatton fans but rippin the piss out of a 37-0 record before he fought tzyu got to me.

I lost a fortune on the tszyu fight - won it back against mayweather though !! Long wait but I knew he'd be exposed !

Incidentally, on hatton, his reasons for dropping Billy Graham ? Opinions ?

On here some people have drawn comparisons about "the next level" with Dunne & Harry Hawkins there may be Similarities ????

I have my own opinion on it, Ive mentioned before - just wondering what youse think ?

exposed ?, maybe exposed as not being the best fighter on the planet yes.
But facing the best fighter in the World at the weight naturally above your own and holding your own for 6 rounds(many disagree, but I gave him 3 of the first 6 and none after) before being outclassed I wouldn't quite call exposed.

It's a bit like calling Cotto exposed for losing to Margarito, ya he lost but it's not like we learned anything about him we didn't know, which is what being exposed basically means. Finding out something we didn't know, usually in a negative light.

I never responded to that Hawkins thread but imo he's done nothing wrong with Dunne why should he change. If he went to another trainer, a 'big name' trainer as was mentioned by some then Dunne would get much less of that trainers mind and when you see the relationship between Hawkins and Dunne works very well then why would you change it ?

The Hatton and Graham relationship eventually went stale, not helped by Graham's declining health. Hatton felt Graham had stopped working on the intricate little things which had made him as good as he was, and that every training camp had become the same. He felt that Graham wasn't working enough on the technical side of things and he was probably right.
They could have handled the changing trainer situation a bit better though, Graham wasn't treated the way he deserves for what he's done with Ricky.

Going back to Dunne, I don't think another trainer would take him to the 'next level', infact I could see him becoming worse under many big name trainers and dropping down a level. He'd probably have to relocate to America again aswell which wouldn't suit him and as Matthew Macklin recently said a lot of getting the best out of your training is just being happy with the situation your in. Dunne wouldn't be happy back in America I reckon.

Johnduddy

Big ears - informative and well informed as usual mate !

By exposed I mean that the first 25-30 fights hatton had were "money making sky sports specials" There arent many fighters that could get away with making as much money as hatton and warren did by fighting nobodies.

TBH I was sick to death of hearing bull**** hype for years about a fighter that HADNT FOUGHT ANYBODY

Your point about Graham not working on the intricate things answered my question. It always looked like Graham was going through the motions with Ricky and you're right, it looked stale but it was handled badly. Very badly IMO.

Hatton proved himself against Tzyu and probably again against Collazo and Castillo but my cynicism was borne out of the 30 odd nobody fights he had prior to Tzyu. The majority of fighters dont get past 20-0 before fighting a world class operator Hatton managed 35

My opinion on hatton was skewed by listenin to ****e by sky sports commentators - he wasnt the first and I guarantee he wont be the last

Manny will once again "expose" Ricky the skyman hitman Hatton

Johnduddy

Big Ears wrote: »

exposed ?, maybe exposed as not being the best fighter on the planet yes.

It's a bit like calling Cotto exposed for losing to Margarito, ya he lost but it's not like we learned anything about him we didn't know, which is what being exposed basically means. Finding out something we didn't know, usually in a negative light.

I never responded to that Hawkins thread but imo he's done nothing wrong with Dunne why should he change. If he went to another trainer, a 'big name' trainer as was mentioned by some then Dunne would get much less of that trainers mind and when you see the relationship between Hawkins and Dunne works very well then why would you change it ?

Going back to Dunne, I don't think another trainer would take him to the 'next level', infact I could see him becoming worse under many big name trainers and dropping down a level. He'd probably have to relocate to America again aswell which wouldn't suit him and as Matthew Macklin recently said a lot of getting the best out of your training is just being happy with the situation your in. Dunne wouldn't be happy back in America I reckon.

Sorry I didnt respond some of this thread

re Cotto - How was Cotto exposed ? Did Cotto get his record/reputation/experience by fighting the likes of Ben Tackie or Magee ? Cotto is what he is and he will prove his worth as he has already and will do in the future - Moasley beat margarito Cotto WILL beat Moasley

re Hawkins - I agree with you on this 100%

Comparing Cottos 33-1 to Ricky Hattons 45-1 is like comparing the Pussycat dolls to bewitched

I love the pussycat dolls

T-K-O

Johnduddy wrote: »

Sorry I didnt respond some of this thread

re Cotto - How was Cotto exposed ? Did Cotto get his record/reputation/experience by fighting the likes of Ben Tackie or Magee ? Cotto is what he is and he will prove his worth as he has already and will do in the future - Moasley beat margarito Cotto WILL beat Moasley

re Hawkins - I agree with you on this 100%

Comparing Cottos 33-1 to Ricky Hattons 45-1 is like comparing the Pussycat dolls to bewitched

I love the pussycat dolls

That is harsh Pussy cat dolls and spice girls maybe.

Big Ears

Johnduddy wrote: »

Sorry I didnt respond some of this thread

re Cotto - How was Cotto exposed ? Did Cotto get his record/reputation/experience by fighting the likes of Ben Tackie or Magee ? Cotto is what he is and he will prove his worth as he has already and will do in the future - Moasley beat margarito Cotto WILL beat Moasley

re Hawkins - I agree with you on this 100%

Comparing Cottos 33-1 to Ricky Hattons 45-1 is like comparing the Pussycat dolls to bewitched

I love the pussycat dolls

My point was I don't feel either man was exposed.
While I agree with what you said in the other post in regards SKY and Warren milking Hatton for all he's worth I don't think 'exposed' is the term you're really looking for.

As I said before that implies learning something we didn't know before, often in a negative sense and that imo didn't happen to Hatton or Cotto.

Hatton's progress was fine till he fought Eamon Magee imo, but due to Magee giving Hatton a very tough fight Warren put the breaks on. The Stephen Smith and Joe Hutchinson fights were pointless and Hatton should have gone straight into fighting Vince Phillips after Magee. After Phillips there was the Rios fight which you could say was questionable after beating someone like Phillips. Rios was a pretty good fighter, but that's at Lightweight.

Then came the Tackie fight where Hatton finally showed he was true World Class, whether he was good enough for the likes of Tszyu, Mitchell, Judah and Gatti or not.

The Pedersen fight was a real disappointment for him. Hatton was scheduled to take on Kelson Pinto for the vacant WBO, but Pinto pulled out citing personal problems(Cotto would beat Pinto 5 months later for the title), and Hatton had apparently missed his big opportunity. Although this was actually a blessing in disguise, had Warren got him the WBO title(and Hatton would of destroyed Pinto), then Warren would of had him defend it against nobodies for years to come.

The Vilches fight was almost pointless, and the Mike Stewart fight had to be taken even though it was an obvious walkover. It was an IBF eliminator which would guarantee him a shot at the winner of Tszyu-Mitchell II, but after Stewart's performance against Mitchell it was clear he didn't have a hope.

The Oliveira fight was again seemingly pointless, but Tszyu-Mitchell happened the month before and Hatton had to wait for the winner so there was nothing he could do but fight someone else, and bar those 2 and the other champions there was no massive names to fight anyway, and with his title shot guaranteed a big fight would of never happened anyway.

You say no other fighter would go 20-0 without fighting a World Class fighter, but that couldn't be further from the truth, particularly regarding British fighters. The vast majority of British title holders win their belts after they've had at least 20 fights and very few even see a World Class fighter till they've had at least 30.

The thing is, Hatton won the British title 2 weeks after his 22nd birthday, that is very early to capture a British title. He won his World title at 26 years old, which is younger than most British World Champions are. Yes he had loads of fights, but isn't being active something we encourage in fighters ?, maybe if Hatton had been moved quicker he would of been up to the task or maybe he would have been rushed. But what you can say is with the development he's had he's done pretty well either way.
Sky sports may have made more of those early contests than they should, but that's how they're going to make money and they do the same for English football among other things. They may have often referred to Hatton as World Class, but in the end he showed that he was.

It's kind of odd I mentioned Cotto because if you look at it he did suffer something similar to Hatton. Okay he had a more recognised title when it happened but if you look at his level of opposition throughout his Light-Welterweight title reign, it remains decent and steady but there's no dramatic improvement in opposition. Infact if you look at his opponent before he won the title(a prime Lovemore N'Dou) he has a better fighter than his second last fight at the weight(Gianluca Branco), and arguably (the version he faced) a green Paulie Malignaggi. It was after he moved up to Welterweight he became a true Superstar because it was there his opposition increased dramatically and yet he still delivered in the same spectacular fashion.

I wouldn't go betting on Pacquiao v Hatton btw, you may find out that the only thing being exposed will be that Pacquiao's victory over DLH has little substance behind it in showing how good Pacquiao is at this high a weight.

WorldWontListen

Big Ears wrote: »

I wouldn't go betting on Pacquiao v Hatton btw, you may find out that the only thing being exposed will be that Pacquiao's victory over DLH has little substance behind it in showing how good Pacquiao is at this high a weight.

I could not agree more.

Why all this Hatton bashing from people all of a sudden ? He has a very good record (note I didn't say great) and his only loss was to FLOYD MAYWEATHER at a weight he never fought at before.

People are saying Sky have hyped up Hatton, but the same people are only buying into the HBO hype of Pacquiao.

I don't care what anybody says, Morales and Barerra were legends at the end of their career when Manny fought them. They were there for the taking, and Manny did a great job.

Against Diaz we was awesome.

You can forget about the De La Hoya fight, it was a money making show and nothing else, we did not learn anything more about Manny than we knew before from that fight. Great footwork, great speed, great accuracy.

What we still don't know is what will happen when to Manny when a strong light welterweight nails him. Hatton is no slow-coach himself and he will land shots on Pacquiao. Then we'll see what happens. This is a much more open fight than people think

T-K-O

WorldWontListen wrote: »

I could not agree more.

Why all this Hatton bashing from people all of a sudden ? He has a very good record (note I didn't say great) and his only loss was to FLOYD MAYWEATHER at a weight he never fought at before.

People are saying Sky have hyped up Hatton, but the same people are only buying into the HBO hype of Pacquiao.

I don't care what anybody says, Morales and Barerra were legends at the end of their career when Manny fought them. They were there for the taking, and Manny did a great job.

Against Diaz we was awesome.

You can forget about the De La Hoya fight, it was a money making show and nothing else, we did not learn anything more about Manny than we knew before from that fight. Great footwork, great speed, great accuracy.

What we still don't know is what will happen when to Manny when a strong light welterweight nails him. Hatton is no slow-coach himself and he will land shots on Pacquiao. Then we'll see what happens. This is a much more open fight than people think

Thats a little porky.

This fight will be close, Manny is getting to much credit for beating my boy Dela. This is Pacs first big test against a guy ruling the weight.

mark renton

Johnduddy wrote: »

Comparing Cottos 33-1 to Ricky Hattons 45-1 is like comparing the Pussycat dolls to bewitched

I love the pussycat dolls

Ok pussy cat dolls may be up in the looks department and the sex appeal department, but bewitched were right up there in their day and the whole jeans thing goin on then was a little fashionable, also bewitched would have the edge in the cude n cuddly department.

However overall you are correct - they cannot be compared, different context different age - its like saying who would win between Ali and Tyson

akindoc

hatton was exposed against collazo actually. we all knew he would struggle with a slick fighter (hence the avoidance of witter for years) and collazo almost KOd him in that fight and had him holding on for dear life in the last round. he got exposed again againt Maussa when he fought a terrible fight and against Urango he earned the name "Hook n hold" hatton by the american commentators. he got a win over castillo which was a very good thing because it inflated his odds against floyd. he took a severe hiding against floyd and was outclassed in every department for every minute of every round. A thourough masterclass and floyd might as well have brought a blackboard and chalk to the ring because he really taught Hatton a lesson in there.

walshb

Precisely akindoc. This comes from me, who rated him high. Only when I actually analysed him closely, did I come to the conclusion that Hatton is not all that good. Sure, he's tough and durable and has heart, but he's far from a boxer and far from versatile. He has PLAN A and that's it.

No jab, or outside game or even combos. He's a mauler and slugger with
decent power. Keep him on the outsie and he's lost

BTW, his win over Paulie looked a whole lot better than it really was.
Paulie was a joke and should have been taken out earlier for not even
trying. The Lazcano fight also exposed Hatton.

He lost to PBF, no disgrace, but he was awful in the fight. Never once did he
adapt and was felled pretty easily by a PBF who never really over exerted
himself.

Saying all this, Hatton still should be good enough to beat a blown
up feather. He wins, and I will simply call it a win over a feather.

It's nothing major IMO!

T-K-O

You guys are way out of order on Hatton - he is the best light welter on the planet.

Sure he looked bad against Collazo and I forget the other guys name but those fights where at welter and it was VERY clear after after Hattons first fight at welter that his style did not allow him to move up and be effective - (That is why I always said Dela would have schooled him).

He jsut recently beat the #1 contender in Paulie Mal a good who gave Cotto a good scrap for 12 rounds - you may say Paulie didnt try fulifill his dream:rolleyes:

I say Hatton took it away from him

akindoc

T-K-O wrote: »

You guys are way out of order on Hatton - he is the best light welter on the planet.

Sure he looked bad against Collazo and I forget the other guys name but those fights where at welter and it was VERY clear after after Hattons first fight at welter that his style did not allow him to move up and be effective - (That is why I always said Dela would have schooled him).

He jsut recently beat the #1 contender in Paulie Mal a good who gave Cotto a good scrap for 12 rounds - you may say Paulie didnt try fulifill his dream:rolleyes:

I say Hatton took it away from him

Hatton isn't the best 140 pounder. I think Pacman will beat him. Victor Ortiz would have him on the canvas quite quickly. Torres/Bailey would be dangerous fights for a guy who fights face first wouldn't you say?

And by the way, Malignaggi was and is pathetic and Cotto treated him like a mug for 12 rounds.

Big Ears

Hatton moved up to fight Collazo on 8 weeks notice, having originally been scheduled to battle Juan Lazcano down at Light-Welterweight.

He had to adapt to fighting a career long Welterweight instead of a former Lightweight who had moved up to Light-Welterweight a little over a year before.
He had to adapt to fighting a Southpaw(and had less time to do it) and he had to adapt to fighting in a new weightclass, at just 8 weeks notice.

I think the only thing exposed from that fight was that Hatton should probably never fight at Welterweight because his small height and tiny reach make fighting Welterweights extremely difficult. I still think he won that won by a good few rounds in the end, and it seems one of those fights where the vast majority of people thought Hatton won at the time, but now people like to call it a 'robbery'


I didn't think he was bad against Maussa, many said it was a bad performance but it was coming off the Tszyu fight and a performance of that magnitude was always going to be difficult to match.


To be honest I'm disappointed that Hatton never fought Witter, even though I reckon he would of got the job done on Junior. Witter always had awful stamina and in a fight where he'd have to have a high workrate he'd gas early and get stopped. Witter is no Mayweather, even if he would of had the advantage in the early rounds. However the one person who shouldn't be talking about Hatton ducking Witter is Witter himself, during the same time period he wouldn't go near our own Eamon Magee. A slick Southpaw with plenty of power who is extremely tough is something Junior and his handlers didn't want to go near and with good reason.

akindoc

Big Ears wrote: »

Hatton moved up to fight Collazo on 8 weeks notice, having originally been scheduled to battle Juan Lazcano down at Light-Welterweight.

He had to adapt to fighting a career long Welterweight instead of a former Lightweight who had moved up to Light-Welterweight a little over a year before.
He had to adapt to fighting a Southpaw(and had less time to do it) and he had to adapt to fighting in a new weightclass, at just 8 weeks notice.

I think the only thing exposed from that fight was that Hatton should probably never fight at Welterweight because his small height and tiny reach make fighting Welterweights extremely difficult. I still think he won that won by a good few rounds in the end, and it seems one of those fights where the vast majority of people thought Hatton won at the time, but now people like to call it a 'robbery'


I didn't think he was bad against Maussa, many said it was a bad performance but it was coming off the Tszyu fight and a performance of that magnitude was always going to be difficult to match.


To be honest I'm disappointed that Hatton never fought Witter, even though I reckon he would of got the job done on Junior. Witter always had awful stamina and in a fight where he'd have to have a high workrate he'd gas early and get stopped. Witter is no Mayweather, even if he would of had the advantage in the early rounds. However the one person who shouldn't be talking about Hatton ducking Witter is Witter himself, during the same time period he wouldn't go near our own Eamon Magee. A slick Southpaw with plenty of power who is extremely tough is something Junior and his handlers didn't want to go near and with good reason.

I think Witter would have landed a bomb on Hatton as he was coming in and blasted Hatton out. I think Hatton was well aware of the dangers involved in fighting Witter and obviously weighed up the risks and decided against it. That tells us all we need to know and I think that in his quiet reflections he accepts that Witter was just way too dangerous for too little reward. Problem was, he showed contempt to the british fight fans who were clamering for the fight on boxing forums over the years and if you read the forums (which I know you do), avoiding witter will always be held against Hatton. Judging from Hattons performances against the slick Collazo and Mayweather, I'd have to say Witter would have been able to catch Hatton easily on the way in and there is no denying that he was a concussive puncher. The fight wouldn't have gone 5 rounds imo.

On the point of the Maussa fight, I thought Hatton really looked absolutely shockingly bad in that one. The amount of punches he took from Maussa (who is alarmingly poor) was shocking and he only had the route 1 style. I believe he had two very nasty cuts to both eyes in the fight. Against Urango he adopted the John Ruiz style of fighting which earned him the moniker of "Hook n hold" Hatton. I found that fight exhausting to watch. He got the job done though and he beat Collazo by one point on my scorecard but still clearly beat him. One more round though and he would have been knocked out. And if you remember, the Collazo fight was taken because Hatton saw Collazo as an easy touch and got more than he bargained for there. I think Collazo had been knocked out easily previously and was seen as a weak champ that Hatton could get a belt off. Ooops.

T-K-O

What more does Ricky Hatton have to do. Sure there are up and coming guys but right now he is #1, Manny cannot be rated at the weight he hasn't fought anyone.

And making out like Cotto had an easy night against Paulie is simply wrong - that was a close fight with Paulie landing a lot of shot he just didnt have the power to really hurt Cotto who is one tough SOB - the dude lasted 11 round against plasted up Margarito:D.

I think Manny will win but wouldnt be surprised if Hatton pulled it off. It's a pickem for me.

cowzerp

Ricky is a world class performer, he did have a lot of cans on his record in the early days but the way he steamed them and then kept that standard even when he moved up levels showed how good he is, Mayweather is special and losing to him does not prove anything, Manny is also special and the only reason i give ricky a chance is the natural weight differences advantaging ricky, like TKO im predicting a manny win but a close fight till the end!

walshb

Hey, I never said Hatton was crap and if he is the best 140 lb man, then so be it. To me that means the division is far from great. I don't think he is great at all. He's good, but far from a great fighter.

He did beat Paulie; but Paulie was absolute useless. I don't think Paulie was ever good. I saw him vs. Cottoh and he showed heart and tougness, that was about it. I thought he may cause Hatton problems, but the lack of effort saw that thought fade away.

Take Hatton as a fighter and analyse his strengths and weaknesses.
I see a very one dimensional fighter and ordinary
fighter who solely relies on an inside rough game.

It has served him well against good fighters, but were
any really great, apart from PBF who exposed his
style. Tsyzu was old and past it.

Hey, compare him to Calzaghe p4p and he pales.
Joe is streets ahead!

akindoc

walshb wrote: »

Hey, I never said Hatton was crap and if he is the best 140 lb man, then so be it. To me that means the division is far from great. I don't think he is great at all. He's good, but far from a great fighter.

He did beat Paulie; but Paulie was absolute useless. I don't think Paulie was ever good. I saw him vs. Cottoh and he showed heart and tougness, that was about it. I thought he may cause Hatton problems, but the lack of effort saw that thought fade away.

Take Hatton as a fighter and analyse his strengths and weaknesses.
I see a very one dimensional fighter and ordinary
fighter who solely relies on an inside rough game.

It has served him well against good fighters, but were
any really great, apart from PBF who exposed his
style. Tsyzu was old and past it.

Hey, compare him to Calzaghe p4p and he pales.
Joe is streets ahead!

Agreed.

f1dan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6gslHGQs8

Big Ears

Roach: I don't want you to let him ****ing touch your body !, don't let him touch you.

That's the ending line to the first episode, and Roach says it with some concern in his voice. Seems as confident as he is, there is some worry there that if Pacquiao isn't able to fight his gameplan to a tee things might go bad.

cowzerp

walshb wrote: »

Hey, compare him to Calzaghe p4p and he pales.
Joe is streets ahead!

I disagree, Hatton is the better fighter, both fought lots of poor opposition but ricky beat most of his more convicingly..

f1dan

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHZ50CI4CvI

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WPv0BEib0k&feature=channel

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaxZ-oi480k&feature=channel

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

I disagree, Hatton is the better fighter, both fought lots of poor opposition but ricky beat most of his more convicingly..

Paul, forgetting opposition, as far as skill and boxing ability go, there is no
comparison, Joe possesses far more ability and versatility. All Hatton has is possibly correct punching technique, that is it! In all other areas, Joe is IMO well ahead!

foams

walshb wrote: »

, Joe is IMO well ahead!

IMO ,take Kessler and Lacy away from Calzaghe and his record
is padded, and sorry for bringing it up againn but the
man slaps!

walshb

foams wrote: »

IMO ,take Kessler and Lacy away from Calzaghe and his record
is padded, and sorry for bringing it up againn but the
man slaps!

That's why I said "foretting opposition."

Joe is a far better overall 'boxer,' Joe had versatility, better skills and better almost everything!

I can see no ONE are apart from maybe punching technique and possibly
power where Ricky is better.

Stamina, balance, footwork, chin, speed, accuracy, and ring generalship all
favour Joe

akindoc

on point, i thought this episode was very good. I thought billy graham was very bitter at being dropped by hatton but it was 100% the right move in my opinion. I'll be interested to see how Hatton fares against Pacman and how much of an effect Floyd Senior has on him because I saw an improvement against Malignaggi. I think Graham was a decent trainer but Hatton stagnated for years under his tutilage. It was the same old tired training routines over and over. I feel that Hatton could have made much more progress with a Mayweather type trainer, someone who could channell his agression and teach him how to optimize his defense. He could have been a lot better. Another good trainer for Hatton would be Jeff Fenech imo.

Also though floyd senior was great in this episode. Slagging off graham and then saying, "To be honest, I probably save rickys life" :D:D

c1979

Just watched first episode of the new 24/7 series.

Do people think Billy Graham was treated badly by Hatton, I know its business but the fact they haven't spoke since the split shows a bad reflection on Hatton, or maybe Graham?

Is Graham training any other fighters at the moment?

cowzerp

He's a rubbish coach and ricky needs to be coached by a top trainer so it had to be done, maybe it could of been done a bit easier though.

joepenguin

So what exactly happened? Hatton met him for a chat one day and just said they should part ways or is there more to it than that?

c1979

I don't think he is rubbish but he is very limited (i.e. come forward, offence only), I thought the tactics for Matthew Macklin when he fought Jamie Moore where very bad and resulted in Macklin running out of steam.

Has Hatton given up all the weight lifting training that he used to do?

cowzerp

c1979 wrote: »

Has Hatton given up all the weight lifting training that he used to do?

I doubt it, i'd say he is just doing better weight training now, what he used to do was awful, the leg press with massive weight where he only moved it about an inch was embarassing, as a personal trainer i watched in disbelief that his coach would actually let that be seen on tele!

he should of been squatting and full motion squats at that too..

oh and i stand by my poor trainer qoute..but now its poor trainers counting his fitness coach!

joepenguin

cowzerp wrote: »

I doubt it, i'd say he is just doing better weight training now, what he used to do was awful, the leg press with massive weight where he only moved it about an inch was embarassing, as a personal trainer i watched in disbelief that his coach would actually let that be seen on tele!

he should of been squatting and full motion squats at that too..

oh and i stand by my poor trainer qoute..but now its poor trainers counting his fitness coach!

Correct me if I am wrong but I seem to remember them on about his routine and it was basically a bodybuilding routine. One body part per day etc.

I dont know much about Kerry Kayes apart from his association with Hatton. What is his approach to conditioning?

cowzerp

joepenguin wrote: »

Correct me if I am wrong but I seem to remember them on about his routine and it was basically a bodybuilding routine. One body part per day etc.

I dont know much about Kerry Kayes apart from his association with Hatton. What is his approach to conditioning?

I just seen the clips on 24/7 and it was like low class body building training, it certainly was not sport specific anyway-thats what the sledge hammer stuff and med ball exercises etc are for, plus plyometric exercises to build explosive power and speed..

id actually be unsure if he's actually qualified to teach weights to a sports man..

Big Ears

Billy Graham is retired now, he did his last fight as a trainer with Ojay Abrahams(also abrahams last fight).

His Phoenix gym has now become Gallagher's(as 24/7 said) which is run by Joe Gallagher who trains Matthew Macklin.

I don't know all that much about what effect Kerry Kayes work does for a fighter(yet) but what I do know is that many fighters give him huge credit in helping them make weight(Kayes helps with nutrition aswell as strength & conditioning), and making them stronger than ever.
He was used by both Jamie Moore and Matthew Macklin as they put in career best performances last time out.

Now I suppose it really depends on what strength and conditioning and what diet these guys were using in the past to judge them against previous routines but both have used Kayes in the past.

While the more traditional exercises associated with boxing(as Cowzerp mentioned) may be of more benefit, it is certain that what kayes has done with those fighters seemed to have benefitted them quite a lot from previous regimes. Matthew Macklin looked in nowhere near as good shape when under Buddy 'drink the water baby' McGirt and whatever conditioning coach(if any) he brought with him.

walshb

I thought the Gallagher reference was about the Oasis boys, who are friends of Hatton!:)

Anyway, I enjoyed the first episode and finally we get to see Hatton
doing some 'proper' boxing training and proper pad work.
Starting to use clever defence and versatility.
A little too late me feels.

Did anyone else notice how Hatton's pad work resembled Floyd's?

Funny, I seem to remember Hatton mocking Floyd during their 24/7
series in 2008. He was imitating Floyd's 'flimsy' and bitchy pad workouts.

Well, maybe if Hatton had been schooled from the start instead of the
less than efficient Graham pad sessions, he might have fared better vs. PBF.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Did anyone else notice how Hatton's pad work resembled Floyd's?

Funny, I seem to remember Hatton mocking Floyd during their 24/7
series in 2008. He was imitating Floyd's 'flimsy' and bitchy pad workouts.

Well, maybe if Hatton had been schooled from the start instead of the
less than efficient Graham pad sessions, he might have fared better vs. PBF.

It's similar but Floyd snr actually makes his fighters hit the pads and apply pressure where as Roger gets a better workout when he does padwork with Floyd jnr. Floyd snr is much better with the pads imo, and as a trainer overall. He's miles ahead, Roger has only made his name of Floyd jnr.

walshb

Yes, there seems to be more contact made with Floyd Snr.
Though, I have seen clips of PBF doig pads where
he opens up more. It was rare and very impressive.
Also, has anyone ever seen PBF spar?

I don't think he allows it to be filmed!

woodyg

Fantastic love 24/7 the last with Oscar and Pac was quality to watch.
It will be interesting to see what Floyd Snr has done in the gym with Ricky over the last 6 months since there 1st fight together, he was working him hard on the jab as he seen that Ricky just didn't have one so never set up the punch correct for an attack. He is known as the best deffence trainner out there which is another big area Ricky didn't out a lot of thought in to.

Pacman has been quitely working away on his game with Freddie so will be interesting to see have they put much attention to Hattons undoubted power and swarm attack. I can't wait for this fight.

I'll be in Vegas for it so am trying my dam hardest to get some tickets for it, that wont break the bank. There's still tickets on sale which i'm stunned by but then again there $1000 which are ring side......


Here's the 24/7 in High Quality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCU4qLJphCQ&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwxYv0grEjY&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-DQZjiMmuM&feature=channel

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Yes, there seems to be more contact made with Floyd Snr.
Though, I have seen clips of PBF doig pads where
he opens up more. It was rare and very impressive.
Also, has anyone ever seen PBF spar?

I don't think he allows it to be filmed!

There is footage of him sparring Paul Spadafora and Spadafora clearly gets the better of him. However Spadafora was very close to fight time and Floyd was only back in the gym at the time. This was before Spadafora's lay-off aswell, he's been **** since he came back.

joepenguin

walshb wrote: »

Did anyone else notice how Hatton's pad work resembled Floyd's?

Funny, I seem to remember Hatton mocking Floyd during their 24/7
series in 2008.

Yeah I noticed that alright, a lot less flashy but a whole lot different to what he was doing previously.

joepenguin

Big Ears wrote: »

I don't know all that much about what effect Kerry Kayes work does for a fighter(yet) but what I do know is that many fighters give him huge credit in helping them make weight(Kayes helps with nutrition aswell as strength & conditioning), and making them stronger than ever.
He was used by both Jamie Moore and Matthew Macklin as they put in career best performances last time out.

Macklin certainly looked in better shape last time out than he had previously.
just did a search on kerry kayes, seen this from the eastside forum http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=127113

so it looks like he advocates a bodybuilding routine pretty much.

woodyg

just watched it there now and yep hatton is doing pretty much the same as Flod jnr on the pads, no bad thing!

One thing that did strike mean and it's a great shame is how much Freddie's parkinson's has taken effect even since the Oscar fight the poor bloke is really feeling it. It's a dam shame to see in some one who is what mid 40's?

Big Ears

woodyg wrote: »

just watched it there now and yep hatton is doing pretty much the same as Flod jnr on the pads, no bad thing!

One thing that did strike mean and it's a great shame is how much Freddie's parkinson's has taken effect even since the Oscar fight the poor bloke is really feeling it. It's a dam shame to see in some one who is what mid 40's?

I have to disagree, while Hatton's pad work is a lot more like Floyd jnr's now than it used to be it is still very very different. He has to hit the pads, and connects with them at force. For Floyd jnr the pads hit him, he doesn't even have to move his fists more than 2/3 inches.

I really feel for Freddie aswell, not only is he a very good trainer(arguably the best around) but he seems like a real nice guy aswell and looks out for his fighters too. He won't train fighters that he feels are in danger of suffering what he suffered in the future if they continue to fight(eg Wayne McCullough).

He recently turned 49 btw.....still so young to have such a disease

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

I have to disagree, while Hatton's pad work is a lot more like Floyd jnr's now than it used to be it is still very very different. He has to hit the pads, and connects with them at force. For Floyd jnr the pads hit him, he doesn't even have to move his fists more than 2/3 inches.

I really feel for Freddie aswell, not only is he a very good trainer(arguably the best around) but he seems like a real nice guy aswell and looks out for his fighters too. He won't train fighters that he feels are in danger of suffering what he suffered in the future if they continue to fight(eg Wayne McCullough).

He recently turned 49 btw.....still so young to have such a disease

Big, the manner and style is the same, that's the point I and others are making.

Yes, he seems to be making more connection and extending his shots more, but it's the 'same' workout done a little differently!

What I laughed at is the fac that Hatton was slagging
the PBF pad sessions previously and now the clown is copying!