Would the USA ever fup off!

dyl10

Seriously, are many other people finally being pushed to the limit by Obama's latest comments?

The States constant interference in what seems like everywhere at the moment, is just becoming too much. I think as European's we need to get more of a spine and get our real nasty opinions out there.
Get rid of the over exaggerated political correctness, stop cow towing to the States and become a little bit more French.
Thankfully we have Mr. Sarkozy, someone who can actually tell the States to go mind their own business.

/rant over
Viva la France! :pac:

US supports Turkey for EU membership
Sunday, 5 April 2009 22:14

US President Barack Obama has urged the EU to accept Turkey as a full member of the 27-nation bloc, a move immediately rejected by France's Nicolas Sarkozy.

The disagreement is a rare outward sign of divergence at an EU-US summit stage-managed to relaunch transatlantic ties that were strained under the Bush administration.

'The United States and Europe must approach Muslims as our friends, neighbours and partners in fighting injustice, intolerance and violence, forging a relationship based on mutual respect and mutual interests,' Mr Obama told the summit.
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'Moving forward towards Turkish membership in the EU would be an important signal of your (EU) commitment to this agenda and ensure that we continue to anchor Turkey firmly in Europe,' he told EU leaders.

Turkey has long been seeking to join the union, and Mr Obama's comments were a reaffirmation of US support for that goal.

But there is resistance among EU states such as Germany and France to its membership, including among ruling conservatives.

Mr Sarkozy said it was up to the EU member states to decide on Turkish entry and reiterated his opposition.

'I have always been opposed to this entry,' he told France's TF1 television.

'I still am and I think I can say that the immense majority of member states shares the position of France.

'Turkey is a very great country, an ally of Europe, an ally of the United States. It will stay a privileged partner. My position hasn't changed and it won't change.'

Turkish entry talks with the EU have been held up by European concerns over human rights, a perceived lack of progress on reforms, and by a long territorial dispute with EU member Cyprus.

challengemaster

tbh, I think the real problem is Sarkozy - He thinks he's in charge of the fupping EU, and he seems to be right!

SoWatchaWant

Yeah, American presidents tend to speak like they own the world. I really am scared of what they are capable of, though.

Soby

To US:
Fup off, you grasshole!:p

ionix5891

SoWatchaWant wrote: »

Yeah, American presidents tend to speak like they own the world. I really am scared of what they are capable of, though.

not much

china will keep him in check with their economic revolver on his forehead

ADTR

I think the French are right. Now isn't the time to be discussing letting in new states. Let's stabilize the ones we have!

pablomakaveli

The EU was barely able to function before the 10 accession states joined in 2004 letting in more again would be very unwise at least until the EU gets itself sorted out.

K-9

Oh the irony, the irony!

Cunny-Funt

I was about to disagree with you till I read this bit and on wards:

dyl10 wrote: »

US supports Turkey for EU membership
Sunday, 5 April 2009 22:14

The US can shove this kinda stuff up their hole, who the feck do they think they are telling us who WE should allow into the EU. Turkey? Feckin TURKEY?

Turkeys gotta lot of **** to face and deal with before its worthy of membership.

Check out the Armenian Genocide for one, and their continuing denial of it to the point where people who speak about it are getting MURDERED because of it. They are very dangerously patriotic in a 'turkey is perfect and if you disagree your dead' kinda way.

Turkey is a very strategic ally for the US, who refuse to acknowledge the Armenian genocide because the turks threatened break off ties with the us (I think theres US out posts there, at least there was at one point during the cold war)

In other words, "OI, TURKEY! NOOOO!"

i'm just sick of obama in general. speaches and clichés are all he seems to do.

pablomakaveli

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Turkey is a very strategic ally for the US, who refuse to acknowledge the Armenian genocide because the turks threatened break off ties with the us (I think theres US out posts there, at least there was at one point during the cold war)

As far as i know they staged part of the Iraq invasion from Turkey during the first Gulf War.

As long as a country is useful to the US they won't criticise anything the goverenment of that country does the most obvious example being Israel.

live2thewire

agree totally op. problem is the EU lets USA dictate look at all the american base on european soil FFS

Mimikyu

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Cunny-Funt

pablomakaveli wrote: »

As long as a country is useful to the US they won't criticise anything the goverenment of that country does the most obvious example being Israel.

Saudi Arabia being another.

Overheal

dyl10 wrote: »

I think as European's we need to get more of a spine and get our real nasty opinions out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P6UU6m3cqk

Yeah. That'll happen. Can't even stand up for yourselves domestically, let alone internationally.

NickNolte

Obama should let Turkey join the USA. As grotesque and blatant violators of human rights, they've already got a lot in common. You run your country, Obama... and we'll run ours. kthxbai

NickNolte

Overheal wrote: »

Yeah. That'll happen. Can't even stand up for yourselves domestically, let alone internationally.

You're right. We should begin massacring innocent people. That'll show some backbone.

fly_agaric

dyl10 wrote: »

'Moving forward towards Turkish membership in the EU would be an important signal of your (EU) commitment to this agenda and ensure that we continue to anchor Turkey firmly in Europe,' he told EU leaders.

Or it may just make the EU a totally unworkable talking shop like the UN (excellent outcome from a US point of view!):pac:

ejmaztec

Overheal wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P6UU6m3cqk

Yeah. That'll happen. Can't even stand up for yourselves domestically, let alone internationally.

Perhaps we'll also borrow a sh1tload of money from the Chinese so that we can expand the auld Irish empire. :P

live2thewire

switzerland norway croatia serbia and a few others should be allowed into EU, not turkeys well not for 100 years

Biggins

Cutting to the chase!

America wants as many countries economically tied to other democracy based economies.
This is to help further provide another reason as to why if such countries are thinking about heading down the "Muslim/Sharia Law" road, the thought of those ties being subsequently being shaken, would act as a factor for staying in line with more supposed modern "free thinking(!) thinking" states.
States that if they further didn't 'toe the line' could be pressurised with subsequent hints of their economy being effected till others get their way.
In short America is thinking of its own ass and how it can try control directly or indirectly, other states - which in (their!) theory makes their own safer.

Don't get me started on Sarkosy (if ever there was a two faced smarmy grinning schite :mad: ) - he, Spain and Germany are nothing more than bullies and thugs.
Just remember the bullying they gave our country to try and get us give up our corporate tax rates during the last referendum vote... and they are still bullying Cowen.
Who do you think really made us vote again by piling on the pressure on our useless spineless shower! :mad::mad::mad:

live2thewire

i love eu but i hate sarkozy hes a hypocrit of highest order, see his move with the car industry a while back in direct opposition to the law..his face causes me annoyance too

Cunny-Funt

I like Obama far more than Sarkosy but on this particular point, and this alone, Sarkosy ftw.

artielange

live2thewire wrote: »

problem is the EU lets USA dictate look at all the american base on european soil FFS

Those are for you saftey, never know when the Communist will invade whoops that wars over. Echeleon will only be used for security reasons like using it to screw Airbus out of contracts for Boeing.

When it comes to America its like that saying about a dog and his balls.

fly_agaric

Biggins wrote: »

Cutting to the chase!

America wants as many countries economically tied to other democracy based economies.
This is to help further provide another reason as to why if such countries are thinking about heading down the "Muslim/Sharia Law" road, the thought of those ties being subsequently being shaken, would act as a factor for staying in line with more supposed modern "free thinking(!) thinking" states.
States that if they further didn't 'toe the line' could be pressurised with subsequent hints of their economy being effected till others get their way.
In short America is thinking of its own ass and how it can try control directly or indirectly, other states - which in (their!) theory makes their own safer.

It's not quite as well meaning as that IMO.

The US very much encouraged the whole EU "project" at one point but I think they hate it now (was fairly obvious under Bush anyway).

It's easy for the US to bully small countries individually to get what it wants. The EU makes it very tough for them to bring that weight to bear on "Europe" in the economic field even if they can still do it in areas where the various EU member states can't find much common ground (foriegn policy, border control etc).

Turkey joining will create disunion. Might even make the EU fracture altogther. A good thing for the large and powerful states in the world *US, China, Russia, India).

toiletduck

artielange wrote: »

Those are for you saftey, never know when the Communist will invade whoops that wars over.

Perhaps when Europe gets it act together and doesn't have to go crying to the US to clean up messes on it's borders (Serbia, Kosovo) then the bases will cease to have a useful role (from a European perspective).

biko

Turkey is strategically important so of course the US are going to stick their nose in.

Turkey agreed to NATO chief after Obama pledges
Turkey said on Saturday it had dropped its objections to Dane Anders Fogh Rasmussen becoming the next head of NATO after U.S. President Barack Obama offered promises that one of Rasmussen's deputies would be a Turk.

Turkey's objections to Rasmussen had threatened the image of unity NATO had sought to present at the military alliance's 60th anniversary summit.

NATO is engaged in the biggest military operation in its history in Afghanistan, and Turkey, the only mainly Muslim member of the alliance, had said Rasmussen's appointment would exacerbate hostility towards the West in Muslim countries.

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL4594859

marcsignal

I don't like to judge Obama so eary in his term, after all it's only been a few months.
The acid test for me, will be how he deals with the Middle East.

m@cc@

In all honesty, Muslim extremism is on the back burner in most people's lives. Now is not the time for Turkey to join, considering the banking situation in Eastern Europe. Plus, considering that the 97% of Turkey is in Asia, do they even qualify to join, considering being in Europe is a pre-requisite (not to mention their human rights record).

magick

I like Obama but yeah he should shut it whenit comes to the EU, how would the USA like it if we kept telling them how to run NAFTA?

jiltloop

I think a good retort would be to advise Obama to consider expanding the United States by inviting Mexico or Cuba to join them as extra states. Maybe Canada too!

Fajitas!

So... What's the main outrage over?

The US president putting forward their support for Turkey joining the EU, or Turkey joinging the EU?

Biggins

Fajitas! wrote: »

So... What's the main outrage over?

The US president putting forward their support for Turkey joining the EU, or Turkey joinging the EU?

The American government yet again telling the EU (partly us!) who to let into the organisation (and possibly who to not let in).
They are not doing it for our benefit - but theirs in the long run! To the USA, the EU is like everything else - a means to an end - their end!

dyl10

Fajitas! wrote: »

So... What's the main outrage over?

The US president putting forward their support for Turkey joining the EU, or Turkey joinging the EU?

If the EU were happy to have Turkey sign up, then Obama proclaiming his support wouldn't be an issue.
However, he's fully aware that things aren't rosey in that regard and his motives have been detailed in this thread.

In answer to your question, it's one because of the other,

Overheal

magick wrote: »

I like Obama but yeah he should shut it whenit comes to the EU, how would the USA like it if we kept telling them how to run NAFTA?

Somewhat apples and oranges. Turkey is a pretty key strategic asset from a NATO perspective. Besides, have ye so quickly forgotten the business with Georgia last summer? The area is not the stablest and there is good reason to want to lock it up within the EU.

marcsignal wrote: »

I don't like to judge Obama so eary in his term, after all it's only been a few months.
The acid test for me, will be how he deals with the Middle East.

Remember that border that Turkey shares with Iraq?

Mr.Lizard

How about : We'll accept Turkey in the EU when they accept Mexico into the United States.

My name is URL

Who's Obama and why does he want turkeys in Europe?

K-9

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

How about : We'll accept Turkey in the EU when they accept Mexico into the United States.

Eh, the EU isn't a country, the US is.

Besides the US and Mexico are part of an EU like organisation.

pablomakaveli

Upward Spiral wrote: »

Who's Obama and why does he want turkeys in Europe?

There's already turkeys in europe. One of them happens to be called Sarkozy.

Overheal

K-9 wrote: »

Eh, the EU isn't a country, the US is.

Besides the US and Mexico are part of an EU like organisation.

Minus the Lisbon Treaty garbage.

But in a similar way as Mexico, Turkey has a checkered past in Europe.

K-9

Overheal wrote: »

Minus the Lisbon Treaty garbage.

But in a similar way as Mexico, Turkey has a checkered past in Europe.

Don't mention the L world, but I do love the irony.

live2thewire

that american union thing is not anything like eu at all.

and lisbon was written terribly but its not as if we would have said yes even if it was the best treaty ever.. one minute were so pro eu the next a treaty which allows for a better europe is rejected lisbon creates a proper president rather than the farce we have now of 6 month terms eu should be about more than boring economy

Overheal

North American Free Trade Agreement

European Union

North Atlantic Treaty Organization (Turkey is already part of NATO by the way)

Turkey

WhiskeyTangoFox

Politican wheeling and dealing shocker!

dr.bollocko

I wonder what Internet bulletin boards I could quote if they were around at the time we joined the EU.

Acacia

dr.bollocko wrote: »

I wonder what Internet bulletin boards I could quote if they were around at the time we joined the EU.

France didn't want us to join, if I remember correctly.

dr.bollocko

Acacia wrote: »

France didn't want us to join, if I remember correctly.

That bloody Sarkozy.

the_syco

Soby wrote: »

To US:
Fup off, you grasshole!:p

To the Frogs & Krauts: you don't own the EU, and stop acting like you do! They make the US look like a democracy!

ejmaztec

Acacia wrote: »

France didn't want us to join, if I remember correctly.

They didn't want the British to join either - in fact they probably wanted to be in it on their own, with Germany acting as a consultant.

Acacia

dr.bollocko wrote: »

That bloody Sarkozy.

Twas before his time!:P

ejmaztec wrote: »

They didn't want the British to join either - in fact they probably wanted to be in it on their own, with Germany acting as a consultant.

Didn't it start as BENELUX though (Belgium, Netherlands and Luxembourg)? And France joined after that.

Well, that's what I remember from my Junior Cert history on the EU.

I'm sure someone more knowledgeable on the matter will correct me. :pac:

live2thewire

dr.bollocko wrote: »

I wonder what Internet bulletin boards I could quote if they were around at the time we joined the EU.

turkey population :100 million

ireland:3 million at the time(also a english speaking country with already free movement with uk)

can u imagine germany if turkey was to join