Cut the dole!! Way too many leeches

beggars_bush

I find it ridiculous that the government will not cut the amount of dole paid to people. How many people are leeching the system

we're subsidising people to not work ffs. as well as paying for their accommodation through rent relief. Its a joke

fair enough there are a lot of people who need the €€€€ to survive. But there are so many people on the dole who have never held down a job in their lives. they should be put out working for the tidy towns or something

how many people on the dole are also working a few days for cash - lots. its a disgrace

Zynks

beggars_bush wrote: »

I find it ridiculous that the government will not cut the amount of dole paid to people. How many people are leeching the system

we're subsidising people to not work ffs. as well as paying for their accommodation through rent relief. Its a joke

fair enough there are a lot of people who need the €€€€ to survive. But there are so many people on the dole who have never held down a job in their lives. they should be put out working for the tidy towns or something

how many people on the dole are also working a few days for cash - lots. its a disgrace

Hmmm, so force the ones who need the cash to tighten their belts because other people are abusing the system. Yeah right. Maybe you are proposing the right thing, but for the wrong reasons. Abuse of the system should be greeted with jail time or serious reprimands.

Keith in cork

so you agree some folk need it to survive, yet your answer to leeches is to cut the dole? Or is it to cut for some and not for others? How exactly would you suggest to work that out?

Or is what you mean to say is, there should be more stringent measures taken to show your genuine, activly seeking work and have no other source of income, and regular checks carried out?

Your thread needs a little thought, and rewording.:rolleyes:

mikemac

No probs, can I expect my PRSI to be cut too?

bobbbb

Looks like it wont be cut now anyway.

banshee_bones

beggars_bush wrote: »

as well as paying for their accommodation through rent relief.

Not everyone gets rent relief.

beggars_bush wrote: »

fair enough there are a lot of people who need the €€€€ to survive.

yes there are,in cases where both earners have been let go from their jobs they have a family to support and a mortgage to pay.

beggars_bush wrote: »

But there are so many people on the dole who have never held down a job in their lives.

where did you get that nugget of information? any statistics to back that up? what about the thousands of people who have paid their contribution of PRSI and are currently claiming that back?

beggars_bush wrote: »

they should be put out working for the tidy towns or something

and what about the people in the local county councils that actually do that job? i suppose we should just make them do teh work for free too yeah?

beggars_bush wrote: »

how many people on the dole are also working a few days for cash - lots. its a disgrace

again i would love to know where you find these gems of information? Plenty of people are not on full dole. They work a three day week and are subsidised by the social welfare for the days they do not work.
Admittedly there will always be the few who abuse the system but why should everyone suffer?

Keith in cork

This is a pity, good topic for discussion, but thrown out there in jest.

trackcar

would have agreed with you about 3-4 years ago when we had lots of Irish people on the dole but has tens of thousands of eastern european people coming into this country for work, why were these unemployed Irish people not in the jobs that the eastern europeans were getting, times have changed and we see lots of people who want to work loosing there jobs in companies like Dell & SR technics + people in the building sector, motor trade, accounts, solicitor, truck drivers etc etc

P. Breathnach

Sometimes, when I am feeling evil, I quietly wish that those able-bodied people who occupy parking spaces for the disabled should find themselves qualified for those places.

Likewise, I have a wish about those who attack those who are dependent on social welfare.

AlekSmart

Oh but we don`t like poor oul Beggars_bush`s wording....do we ?

However as with much of the present situation,we know that something must give...the system is stretched beyond breaking point.

Not everyone gets rent relief.

True indeed,BUT a vast amount DO and with little rhyme or reason to it.
Remember this PRAA was removed some time back only to be re-instated by the late Seamus Brennan when he took up the DSFA reins.

His actions were in response to a concerted campaign by various representative bodies and agencies representing the "poor" who were expected to be made homeless should the State cease the payments.

what about the thousands of people who have paid their contribution of PRSI and are currently claiming that back?

Nobody is disagreeing with maintaining the basic principle of Insurance ,but I think the OP is focusing on the VERY substantial numbers of NON Contributors who have been accepted into our system and who are recieving it`s benefits.

(As an aside,I was recently involved in a situation concering an M50 Junction beggar which resulted in some documents falling onto the road,as I helped her retrieve them I could not but help noticing her identification documents which included a Medical Services Card and a DSFA Identity Card,which would tend to show evidence that she was in the benefit chain)

The DSFA is bleeding the States funds away in a misguided effort to maintain peace and quiet amongst the Lower Orders....someday soon that is going to become impossible to continue....!

Lockstep

I could tolerate such tirades in the days of the Celtic Tiger but not these days.

1) There are a lot of people losing their jobs as we speak. These people worked and paid PRSI. Why should their welfare be lowered now?
2) I doubt lowering the dole would have a significant impact on the "leeches". If they're too lazy to work then cutting the dole will not really have much of an impact, it would have to be cut to horrendous levels to theoretically cause any real incentivisation to such people.

Shiny

I would prefer if they just cut the leeches tbh.

Absolutely nothing wrong with someone loosing their
job and needing a bit of support.

I do have a serious problem with the "long term unemployed"
who still can get the dole even when they return to work!

Mr.Micro

The dole would not be an issue if the incompetents at the top and the fat cats had done their jobs right. Most people would be in a job, end of.

is_that_so

banshee_bones wrote: »

where did you get that nugget of information? any statistics to back that up? what about the thousands of people who have paid their contribution of PRSI and are currently claiming that back?

4% is generally recognised as full employment in this part of the world. Anyone in that 4% tends to be either on some form of disability or are deemed "unemployable". Within that group there are those who are effectively welfare scroungers. For some elements in our society welfare payments are seen as a right. There is still no proper system in my view to make people look for work, like say the German system which used to give people a job after a certain length of time. Refusal meant losing benefits.
There is also a phenomenon known as "generational unemployment" which was very common even up to the early 90s, where you had grandparents, parents and children all unemployed together.

My own view is that welfare should be given to those who genuinely need it but it is too high in some areas and really needs some serious review. A lady I know receives over €1000 in various payments, perfectly legally, from the state, to stay at home. Her husband works in the public service and earns above the average industrial wage. As a result of her being laid off they also now save €1500 a month in childcare. We've spoken about this and she herself finds it quite bizarre that aside from the pleasure of spending a lot more time with her kids, various welfare payments are actually leaving them a lot better off. And that to me is completely wrong. There are suggestions that some of it will be cut next year, using a similar type of index-linking that has allowed such payments increase over the last number of years.

P. Breathnach

Mr.Micro wrote: »

The dole would not be an issue if the incompetents at the top and the fat cats had done their jobs right. Most people would be in a job, end of.

Most people are in jobs. Things are bad, but not yet that bad.

Yes, many of our problems are home-grown. But even if we did not have the bursting of the property bubble, we would have severe problems. A lot of the big layoffs in industry would almost certainly have happened anyway, triggered by competition and the international problems. We almost certainly would have lost Dell, Waterford Glass, and SR Technics. Many of the staff reductions in other firms like pharmaceuticals, healthcare products, and motor industry component suppliers were not caused here.

jimmmy

is_that_so wrote: »

My own view is that welfare should be given to those who genuinely need it but it is too high in some areas and really needs some serious review. A lady I know receives over €1000 in various payments, perfectly legally, from the state, to stay at home. Her husband works in the public service and earns above the average industrial wage. As a result of her being laid off they also now save €1500 a month in childcare. We've spoken about this and she herself finds it quite bizarre that aside from the pleasure of spending a lot more time with her kids, various welfare payments are actually leaving them a lot better off. And that to me is completely wrong. There are suggestions that some of it will be cut next year, using a similar type of index-linking that has allowed such payments increase over the last number of years.

I do not doubt you, but can you explain how a lady you know " receives over €1000 in various payments, perfectly legally, from the state "

Shiny

Although if alot of people were cut from the dole who have been scroungers
for years and have become dependent on it, what would happen if they were
cut off ?

They wouldn't find it easy to get a job....result...crime ?

is_that_so

jimmmy wrote: »

I do not doubt you, but can you explain how a lady you know " receives over €1000 in various payments, perfectly legally, from the state "

Unemployment Benefit is c. €800, child benefit and early childcare supplement for 2 kids comes to €300 or so a month.

Mr.Micro

is_that_so wrote: »

My own view is that welfare should be given to those who genuinely need it but it is too high in some areas and really needs some serious review. A lady I know receives over €1000 in various payments, perfectly legally, from the state, to stay at home. Her husband works in the public service and earns above the average industrial wage. As a result of her being laid off they also now save €1500 a month in childcare. We've spoken about this and she herself finds it quite bizarre that aside from the pleasure of spending a lot more time with her kids, various welfare payments are actually leaving them a lot better off. And that to me is completely wrong. There are suggestions that some of it will be cut next year, using a similar type of index-linking that has allowed such payments increase over the last number of years.

If the woman is entitled, which she obvoiusly is then good for her IMO. If TD's can claim expenses up to as much as their salaries without receipts or proof, then its not a problem. Brian Cowen getting paid according to another post, fourth highest in the world...........

at 4. Brian Cowen (Ireland) $341,000, for making our country a shambles in his role as previous Finance minister and now the leader. Why should the ordinary people not get it if they can, or even have a conscience about it, the politicians sure don't ?

Peiking Duck

beggars_bush wrote: »

I find it ridiculous that the government will not cut the amount of dole paid to people. How many people are leeching the system

we're subsidising people to not work ffs. as well as paying for their accommodation through rent relief. Its a joke

fair enough there are a lot of people who need the €€€€ to survive. But there are so many people on the dole who have never held down a job in their lives. they should be put out working for the tidy towns or something

how many people on the dole are also working a few days for cash - lots. its a disgrace

I wonder how you would cope on the dole. Especially if it was cut.

is_that_so

Mr.Micro wrote: »

If the woman is entitled, which she obvoiusly is then good for her IMO. If TD's can claim expenses up to as much as their salaries without receipts or proof, then its not a problem. Brian Cowen getting paid according to another post, fourth highest in the world...........

at 4. Brian Cowen (Ireland) $341,000, for making our country a shambles in his role as previous Finance minister and now the leader. Why should the ordinary people not get it if they can, or even have a conscience about it, the politicians sure don't ?

As you can see from my post she wouldn't disagree nor would I. However my own point is that there is something very wrong with a system that is that so generous that someone not working now has more money than when she was working. Furthermore it does not appear to take into account that there is also an extra income going into the household. Welfare should be designed to support people when they need it and not help generate a lifestyle , which is where overgenerous payments can lead people.

Cowen does get too much but it is a salary for work. I fail to see the connection between an overinflated salary and overgenerous welfare payments. Personally have always felt that this type of argument is hypocritical and merely reinforces the whole culture of graft we all like to rail against.

Mr.Micro

is_that_so wrote: »

Cowen does get too much but it is a salary for work. I fail to see the connection between an overinflated salary and overgenerous welfare payments. Personally have always felt that this type of argument is hypocritical and merely reinforces the whole culture of graft we all like to rail against.

The whole system needs to be looked at both for dole, Politicians salaries, expenses etc for the longer term. Start with the politicians at National and local level.

jimmmy

is_that_so wrote: »

Unemployment Benefit is c. €800, child benefit and early childcare supplement for 2 kids comes to €300 or so a month.

Thanks for that.
Do women whose husbands are working get unemployment benefit ? And what is "early childcare supplement "?

is_that_so

jimmmy wrote: »

Thanks for that.
Do women whose husbands are working get unemployment benefit ? And what is "early childcare supplement "?

Yes they do. It is based on their own employment and runs for 12 months. After that means testing comes in. All of this is very well explained on the Welfare site.

pickarooney

It's amazing the number of people who don't know the basic difference between Jobseeker's (prev. Unemployment) Allowance and Jobseeker's (prev. Unemployment) Benefit.

Darragh29

Well one way or another, I reckon social welfare cuts are coming next Tuesday, I'd say a cut of somewhere between 5% and 10% cut on dole payments will be the order of the day...

mikemac

Split the difference, 7% cut will bring it to about an even number of 190 euro.

That's my predication anyway

jhegarty

pickarooney wrote: »

It's amazing the number of people who don't know the basic difference between Jobseeker's (prev. Unemployment) Allowance and Jobseeker's (prev. Unemployment) Benefit.

Nothing uprising about it at all. Lots of people 35 and under are for the first time in a situation were they can't get a job.

For the last 15 years it's been about not wanting a job , but this has now changed.

mealone43

beggars_bush wrote: »

I find it ridiculous that the government will not cut the amount of dole paid to people. How many people are leeching the system

we're subsidising people to not work ffs. as well as paying for their accommodation through rent relief. Its a joke

fair enough there are a lot of people who need the €€€€ to survive. But there are so many people on the dole who have never held down a job in their lives. they should be put out working for the tidy towns or something

how many people on the dole are also working a few days for cash - lots. its a disgrace

I am 58 and nver on the dole in my life until February this year. Last year alonbe I paid 16000 tax plus PRSI. So I am not entitled to payments? On you nelly. How much have you paid in your life? Hey everybody who makes a purchase is paying taxes and should we have a minimum payment before we can get dole payments?I think not.:mad:

Bottle_of_Smoke

If they do cut it they should also cut minimum wage.

That would create more jobs and more overtime for people doing those jobs.

If I get a jobb in the summer I'll be looking at min wage and I wouldn't have a problem if it went down. I would accept if overtime was given preferably to full time permanent staff

professore

is_that_so wrote: »

4% is generally recognised as full employment in this part of the world. Anyone in that 4% tends to be either on some form of disability or are deemed "unemployable".

Wrong ... most of the 4% are people who have left one job and are going to start another one in a few weeks / months.

professore

is_that_so wrote: »

Unemployment Benefit is c. €800, child benefit and early childcare supplement for 2 kids comes to €300 or so a month.

You are only entitled to UB if you have worked and it only lasts for 14 months. After that you are means tested. She will get nothing if her husband is working. Is this not right? A lot of people will need some time to adjust their spending and lifestyle if one loses a job, esp a family with young children and probably a big mortgage. Don't know what this "lady's" husband earns but must be north of 100K, they are already rich or they have no mortgage for her to say she doesn't need the money.

professore

mealone43 wrote: »

I am 58 and nver on the dole in my life until February this year. Last year alonbe I paid 16000 tax plus PRSI. So I am not entitled to payments? On you nelly. How much have you paid in your life? Hey everybody who makes a purchase is paying taxes and should we have a minimum payment before we can get dole payments?I think not.:mad:

These people are all students and have never worked in the real world

mealone43

Darragh29 wrote: »

Well one way or another, I reckon social welfare cuts are coming next Tuesday, I'd say a cut of somewhere between 5% and 10% cut on dole payments will be the order of the day...

Would you indeed? Lets cut TD's judges garda soldiers sailors traffic wardens and all public servants by at least 35%. Lets stop sending 900 million to foreign aid. Lets bring our army back from Chad and UN duties. Reduce the army by at least 50%. Shut down the FCA and Slua Muire. Stop costal patrols. Sack all water baliffs as they are only costing money.Ground that private plane the government wasters misuse.Make the TD's produce receipts for their stolen expenses. Send all refugees home. Sack half the doctors as they are not working anway. Now then they can leave the dole alone that most well paid for all their working lives. Go into labour exchanges and make those lazy gits work. In Waterford office they come in as they please, (flexitime, there is no room for that luxury nowadays, so cut that and make them work 40 hours)
Make all public servants earn their keep. As their sick record is the country's highest, then cut their sick pay, that will cure their "sicknesses"
Look at those savings alone:mad::mad::mad:

tolosenc

How about put conditions on the "Job Seekers Allowance":

1. Passports of all to be supported by the payments is surrendered on first receipt of payment and may be collected on the first day they would receive a payment after they have found employment.
2. More rigorous checks implemented to see if people are actually seeking employment, payments after 6 months being refused without evidence of actual job-seeking.
3. ~25 hours a week of community service undertaken by all beneficiaries of the payments not in full time education(ie kids)

This would eliminate a lot unnecessary expenditure, without being unfair, no?

mealone43

obl wrote: »

How about put conditions on the "Job Seekers Allowance":

1. Passports of all to be supported by the payments is surrendered on first receipt of payment and may be collected on the first day they would receive a payment after they have found employment.

2. More rigorous checks implemented to see if people are actually seeking employment, payments after 6 months being refused without evidence of actual job-seeking.
3. ~25 hours a week of community service undertaken by all beneficiaries of the payments not in full time education(ie kids)

This would eliminate a lot unnecessary expenditure, without being unfair, no?

What has a passport to do with it? Some do not have passports
More pressure to be put on waters in Governemnt to create jobs so that people do not have to be harassed to chase jobs that do not exist. Anybody explain to you that our unemployment rate went up to 11%
Community service I agree with especially for students during holiday times to help pay for their dole

cork1

beggars_bush wrote: »

I find it ridiculous that the government will not cut the amount of dole paid to people. How many people are leeching the system

we're subsidising people to not work ffs. as well as paying for their accommodation through rent relief. Its a joke

fair enough there are a lot of people who need the €€€€ to survive. But there are so many people on the dole who have never held down a job in their lives. they should be put out working for the tidy towns or something

how many people on the dole are also working a few days for cash - lots. its a disgrace

brainiacs like this shouldnt be allowed to voice an opinion. some of us have held down jobs and need that money. all ill say is if they do cut it i hope you end up drawing the dole so your can see for yourself why in reality it should be increased.

obl

obl wrote: »

How about put conditions on the "Job Seekers Allowance":

1. Passports of all to be supported by the payments is surrendered on first receipt of payment and may be collected on the first day they would receive a payment after they have found employment.
2. More rigorous checks implemented to see if people are actually seeking employment, payments after 6 months being refused without evidence of actual job-seeking.
3. ~25 hours a week of community service undertaken by all beneficiaries of the payments not in full time education(ie kids)

This would eliminate a lot unnecessary expenditure, without being unfair, no?

1. I'm unemployed at the moment, but my brother is getting married in Spain in September. So i shouldn't be allowed to go to my brothers wedding because I'm unemployed? :rolleyes:

2. What evidence can you give? Take a picture of you holding a Dunnes Application form? No businesses will entertain the idea helping you out if you need "proof" that you looked for a job off them.

3. Community service should be a job that someone gets paid for, not something you make unemployed people do. 25 hours is a ridiculous amount by the way. Besides, if your idea of putting a bunch of people who refuse to find work together, and expect them to actually do something constructive, then you're expecting far too much.




What they SHOULD do, is bring in a sh*tload of new FAS courses for cabinet makers, builders, IT experts, etc. etc. that are really advanced courses, so those that lost their jobs by the recession that were in high positioning in the country can keep working on what they've learned. If you're unemployed for 12months and go on a FAS course, you recieve an extra €30. This should instead be transferred to people who are unemployed under six months (instead of promoting the "get lazy = get cash" idea that's gonna go into your head).


FAS Courses are usually 12 weeks, they should be longer, at about 20 weeks to keep people doing something worthwhile. Fas courses could end with a big project for the course.

What i mean by that is, if you're on a computer course, at the end of it, your course should have to set up a computer network for a big company somewhere (they would obviously pay FAS for this). If you're on a cabinet making course, the course could get split into 5 equal groups, and they each have the job of making and fitting identical kitchens in houses on new estates. If youre on a plumbing course, etc. etc. etc.



Don't get me wrong, the above written is just off the top of my head, so im sure it could be worked upon greatly.


A tthe moment im on a FAS course (im not considered unemployed as i state above, i was just using that as an example). The fas course is a basic computers course and it's a great course. However, after i complete this course, i'm told that i'm disqualified from attending FAS courses for two years. How does that make any sense? It's retarded stuff like that that has people sitting at home instead of doing something worthwhile with their time. I'd love to know computers inside out, but i havent got the money to pay to do a proper course, FAS are telling me i wont get on any of their courses and i sure as hell wont find a job in anything computer-related with no experience. It doesn't make sense. But what does these days?

is_that_so

professore wrote: »

Wrong ... most of the 4% are people who have left one job and are going to start another one in a few weeks / months.

If you use the Live Register with its part-time, supplementary, and all sorts of other claims then this is not true, but it does include them. Even the Quarterly Household Survey does not tell you anything as to the employability of someone who is unemployed. 4% is usually seen as a level of full employment whereby an economy has enough people to allow it to to grow and as you have commented allow for people between jobs.

professore wrote: »

You are only entitled to UB if you have worked and it only lasts for 14 months. After that you are means tested. She will get nothing if her husband is working. Is this not right? A lot of people will need some time to adjust their spending and lifestyle if one loses a job, esp a family with young children and probably a big mortgage. Don't know what this "lady's" husband earns but must be north of 100K, they are already rich or they have no mortgage for her to say she doesn't need the money.

It's not that she doesn't need it but she was very surprised at how much she gets. When it runs out she will be means tested and quite probably will get nothing apart from the child benefit.

banshee_bones

mealone43 wrote: »

What has a passport to do with it? Some do not have passports

I think the poster was referring to foreign nationals who fly in once a month to sign for their dole.

beggars_bush

I was on the dole a few years ago for 9 months after college.
loved every minute of it. Free money. Rent paid for. The life of Riley
no incentive to get off it whatsoever.
Until one day i got fed up and got a job.

But how many people just don't bother looking for work because they live comfortably on the dole and doing a few nixers. There is sweet all incentives to get off the dole.

Think of mothers getting the ridiculous childcare supplement for their children. Is that all being spent on their children's welfare? Is it bollox. Give them food vouchers instead.

How about cutting the dole by 25% for those on it longer than 2 years? O just getting them out to work in the community for their full dole payment. They're not doing anything else with their time.

mealone43

beggars_bush wrote: »

I was on the dole a few years ago for 9 months after college.
loved every minute of it. Free money. Rent paid for. The life of Riley
no incentive to get off it whatsoever.
Until one day i got fed up and got a job.

But how many people just don't bother looking for work because they live comfortably on the dole and doing a few nixers. There is sweet all incentives to get off the dole.

Think of mothers getting the ridiculous childcare supplement for their children. Is that all being spent on their children's welfare? Is it bollox. Give them food vouchers instead.

How about cutting the dole by 25% for those on it longer than 2 years? O just getting them out to work in the community for their full dole payment. They're not doing anything else with their time.

Yg a genius can create those jobs I think where the assholes in Governemnt cannot. Good on ya boy. Create at least 200000 jobs will you to get the lazy bastards off the dole .

mealone43

banshee_bones wrote: »

I think the poster was referring to foreign nationals who fly in once a month to sign for their dole.

Ok thanks

iguy

Ah will ye stop moaning.,.people on the dole do work for tidy towns.,.however if they do they get extra money.!.anyways here's what i want to say.....the disabilty allowance was mentioned once or twice on this thread and i did.nt like what was said.....i'm on it and paid €205 per week plus i get €145,i live in a house(rent is €165 per week)with my girlfriend(who's also on disability allowance and gets only €205 per week)i also get free electricity,phone and rent allowance and tv licence every year and during the late autumn winter and early spring months i get the fuel allowance,also i household benefits allowance every month.....add all of that together and between me and my girlfriend we get €680 per week.....now that may might seem a lot for two people.,.but my point is that i have a friend who gets €1295 after tax per week all for himself and he lives at home with his parents!he should be taxed more.,.the poor people or people who cant get jobs or people on disability allowance should not be targeted.....i would work if i could but no business is insured to take me or my girlfriend on because of mine and her illness..!!!rant over.....

Ordinary man

Would a decreasing payment amount not fix a lot of the problems? Based on previous wages maybe 70% payments for first 6 months of unemployment, reducing every 3 months after until a bare living allowance after 18 months. This would allow people to adjust there living expences and possibly re train for jobs. Genuine people deserve help when they need it and everyone should have an incentive to work

ateam

iguy wrote: »

Ah will ye stop moaning.,.people on the dole do work for tidy towns.,.however if they do they get extra money.!.anyways here's what i want to say.....the disabilty allowance was mentioned once or twice on this thread and i did.nt like what was said.....i'm on it and paid €205 per week plus i get €145,i live in a house(rent is €165 per week)with my girlfriend(who's also on disability allowance and gets only €205 per week)i also get free electricity,phone and rent allowance and tv licence every year and during the late autumn winter and early spring months i get the fuel allowance,also i household benefits allowance every month.....add all of that together and between me and my girlfriend we get €680 per week.....now that may might seem a lot for two people.,.but my point is that i have a friend who gets €1295 after tax per week all for himself and he lives at home with his parents!he should be taxed more.,.the poor people or people who cant get jobs or people on disability allowance should not be targeted.....i would work if i could but no business is insured to take me or my girlfriend on because of mine and her illness..!!!rant over.....

You get €680 a week? For doing what???

Bob Z

Why talk about this now when there no jobs?

icanchange49

Peiking Duck wrote: »

I wonder how you would cope on the dole. Especially if it was cut.

quite well i suspect. i went on the dole 2 years ago after working for 28 years and i wish i had done so 28 years sooner. with no tax to pay and no commuting costs and all the other bits and pieces that i never even knew existed ive never been better off. to anyone working a low wage like i did for years (and listening to ****e all day long) i say cop on and come and join me in the good life.

beggars_bush

Ah will ye stop moaning.,.people on the dole do work for tidy towns.,.however if they do they get extra money.!.anyways here's what i want to say.....the disabilty allowance was mentioned once or twice on this thread and i did.nt like what was said.....i'm on it and paid €205 per week plus i get €145,i live in a house(rent is €165 per week)with my girlfriend(who's also on disability allowance and gets only €205 per week)i also get free electricity,phone and rent allowance and tv licence every year and during the late autumn winter and early spring months i get the fuel allowance,also i household benefits allowance every month.....add all of that together and between me and my girlfriend we get €680 per week.....now that may might seem a lot for two people.,.but my point is that i have a friend who gets €1295 after tax per week all for himself and he lives at home with his parents!he should be taxed more.,.the poor people or people who cant get jobs or people on disability allowance should not be targeted.....i would work if i could but no business is insured to take me or my girlfriend on because of mine and her illness..!!!rant over.....

point is though, he is working. What the fcek does he do for that amount each week? must be savage job

beggars_bush

icanchange49 wrote: »

quite well i suspect. i went on the dole 2 years ago after working for 28 years and i wish i had done so 28 years sooner. with no tax to pay and no commuting costs and all the other bits and pieces that i never even knew existed ive never been better off. to anyone working a low wage like i did for years (and listening to ****e all day long) i say cop on and come and join me in the good life.

and there are thousands more like you out there. Being on the dole is quite comfortable for a lot of people. Especially if you do a day or two of work for cash

iguy

Hey ateam read my post again please!.....my friend works as a steward in a hotel.,.he works 45 hours a week between 4pm and 12am tuesday til' saturday.....sure a majority of my friends who still have a job earn in average of €850-€1600 a week!does.nt everyone get that much?.......