Chicago Bears acquire Jay Cutler

Oat23

The Chicago Bears pulled the big upset Thursday afternoon by acquiring Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, a source told ESPN.com.
The Broncos confirmed the move.
To acquire Cutler, the Bears had to give up quarterback Kyle Orton and first-round picks in 2009 and 2010, a source said.
To complete the trade, the Broncos had to give back an undisclosed draft choice in a later round.
The Bears beat out the Redskins, Buccaneers, Lions, Titans and other teams to get land the 25-year-old Pro Bowl quarterback.
The Broncos had been asking for at least two first-round choices.
Cutler asked to be traded when he found out first-year coach Josh McDaniels tried to acquire Matt Cassel in a trade with the Patriots.
Cutler had not returned phone calls from the Broncos, according to the team, and had been staying away from the offseason program.
John Clayton is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373

Im delighed, and shocked that Jerry Angelo pulled it off!:D:D:D

jdivision

They had to give a third rounder back apparently. Bears seem to think they're close, I think their window has closed to be honest, their second round pick better be a good WR or LB. Lions should have done more to get him I think.

ReacherCreature

:eek:

Oat23

Denver didn't wan't pick 1, nobody does. And well Culpepper, not the best value in a trade. Atleast with Orton they get a decent QB for the time being. His contract is up at the end of the 2009 season so the Broncos are not tied down.

Chanandler Bong

Great deal for Denver, a serviceable QB and 2 1st rounders

should get to work on that Defence i imagine

jdivision

Not suggesting Denver would have. But as I've said elsewhere the Lions should have traded their No 20 pick and their third round pick (No 33) for a Top 10 draft spot and offered that and next year's number one

tallaghtoutlaws

wow the bears are clowns.

Oat23

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

wow the bears are clowns.

Obviously the bears didn't call the broncos and offer what was accepted, there was other teams involved and they outbid them...little bit high but finally we have a franchise QB.

tallaghtoutlaws

Oatesy23 wrote: »

Obviously the bears didn't call the broncos and offer what was accepted, there was other teams involved and they outbid them...little bit high but finally we have a franchise QB.

They kind off did because thats what the Broncos were looking for. They clearly stated they want two first round picks. It was all over the news yesterday. And obviously they stated they also needed a QB in return. So Im going to say the Bears were the first and only ones to step up to the plate with the 2 picks and semi decent QB in Orton.

Oat23

The redskins are crazy, they must have been involved:D

Orlando Pace also confirmed, damn it's like christmas!

barbar69

Good to hear you're excited Oatesy.

But I cant help but feel for the Broncos fans. They thought they had the second coming of John Elway, now they have an Orton/Simms Qb battle to look forward to-scintillating!:p

ArmCandyBaby

Any chance we could have a poll on who you think did better in this trade?

I'd go for Denver, I think that's a fine bit of business. Before Orton got injured in the second half of last season he was putting up very respectable numbers and had a ~91 QB rating without Brandon Marshall or Eddie Royal in his team (but instead a quality RB taking downs away from him). Granted these two are unlikely to put up the same numbers this year but still the gap between these two QBs is not 2 1st round drafts wide. Can't wait now to see if McDaniels can produce another overachieving QB.

Denver are sure to go RB now in the first round to take some of the pressure off.

Sea Devils

Orton played decent for a good part of last season (til his injury) and Denver has also added two first rounders and a third. I think Chicago gave up way too much for Cutler...

Karlusss

Worth it, I think. Good deal for both sides. Better for Denver, but a franchise quarterback is a rare thing to be available, so Chicago had to go for it and they did.

eagle eye

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

They kind off did because thats what the Broncos were looking for. They clearly stated they want two first round picks. It was all over the news yesterday. And obviously they stated they also needed a QB in return. So Im going to say the Bears were the first and only ones to step up to the plate with the 2 picks and semi decent QB in Orton.

No they said they wanted two first round picks and that getting a QB in return was not a necessity.

There was clearly a bidding war to have Kyle Orton and a 3rd round pick added to the package.

I think its a super deal for the Broncos, I think Orton is the type of guy to fit very nicely into a McDaniels system. He certainly is not a gunslinger and he is known to work very hard, a real McDaniels type of guy.

For the Bears to give up this much is a bit crazy imo. Although they now have a serious QB and things could go the right way for them very quickly now. Although you would have to wonder what way Cutler will react if he has a bad game, we all know how the Bears fan are quick to boo the team if they are not performing.

On the plus side, its been a long time since they had a QB of this standard, the last great quarterback in the windy city that I remember was Jim McMahon. Culter could turn out to be the next great one, time will tell. 4500 yards last year is a hard task to follow up, but if he gets near 4000 the Bears will be going places.

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

No they said they wanted two first round picks and that getting a QB in return was not a necessity.

There was clearly a bidding war to have Kyle Orton and a 3rd round pick added to the package.

Where in what you quoted off me did I say Denver wanted a QB??? I clearly said the Broncos have been quoted saying they needed a QB in return but you have taken it of context. I didnt say the Broncos asked for it as part of the deal. What I did say Obviously the bears knew all of this mixture and offered Orton which in turn was the most sensible thing to do considering the Broncos needed a QB in return you follow??

Besides how do we know any bidding war actually happened. Who knows the bears just didnt go straight for the juggler and offer what the Broncos wanted and then some:

Broncos wanted: 2 first round picks

Needed: QB

They got both of the above and got a 3rd round pick and gave a 5th back.

Oh and they said it wasnt a neccessity but hinted it at a QB exchange all along.

Besides why would you argue with me anyway common sense should have and did provail in this. The Bears got Cutler because of Orton as the kicker in the deal plain facts dont lie. It would have been very hard to beat that deal if a bidding war even happened.

eagle eye

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Where in what you quoted off me did I say Denver wanted a QB??? I clearly said the Broncos have been quoted saying they needed a QB in return but you have taken it of context. I didnt say the Broncos asked for it as part of the deal. What I did say Obviously the bears knew all of this mixture and offered Orton which in turn was the most sensible thing to do considering the Broncos needed a QB in return you follow??

Besides how do we know any bidding war actually happened. Who knows the bears just didnt go straight for the juggler and offer what the Broncos wanted and then some:

Broncos wanted: 2 first round picks

Needed: QB

They got both of the above and got a 3rd round pick and gave a 5th back.

Oh and they said it wasnt a neccessity but hinted it at a QB exchange all along.

Besides why would you argue with me anyway common sense should have and did provail in this. The Bears got Cutler because of Orton as the kicker in the deal plain facts dont lie. It would have been very hard to beat that deal if a bidding war even happened.

Yeah I took it up wrongly there.
I still think that to get that sweet deal that there had to be some bidding from others. It just seems too much to offer without others involved. While the Bronco's wanted the two picks, everbody knew that Cutler was leaving so they are going to try and get him for as little as possible. Thats why I think there was a bidding war. Otherwise why not just offer the two picks and have done with it? I mean they refuse it and you come back to them again and sweeten it again. I just don't see any team being crazy enough to offer that deal straight off the bat.

Lirange

Chicago Bears got the better deal. The Broncos are shaping into an even bigger project now.

The man threw for 4,500 yards last year breaking the franchise record. They were nearly unbeatable if their woeful defence could hold the opposition to three touchdowns or less. He's 25.

What are they giving up really? The 18th pick in the draft this year and a first rounder next year? Let's not exaggerate what the Bears are parting with here. When the Pats make a living trading first round picks and making free agent acquisitions they're shrewd masterminds. When the Bears take a leaf out of their playbook they're "crazy?" The hit/miss rate for mid to late first round picks isn't that different to second round draft picks. Factor that in with first round salary considerations and it should be apparent that the Bears saw an opportunity and maximised it to their needs. If you've seen those archival draft dissections you know that the best money for value is the second through fifth rounds where more often than not the best teams have historically oiled the machines of success.

The Broncos had better use their draft selections wisely and upgrade their dismal defence that will have to step up even more with a less prolific offence to keep them in games. Their scouts better be up to the task because they've just given up a proven weapon at a premium position and will be looking to identify the best unproven prospects. If they somehow demonstrate a class drafting acumen similar to the likes of the Chargers then maybe in future we can look back and say the Broncos greatly profited from the trade. But generally the odds aren't with them. As for Orton, they would have been better off with Cassel after all. Regardless of how you feel about how Cutler comported himself for McDaniels to even query about acquiring Cassel for Cutler just boggles. Coach McD is another cast off and beneficiary of the Patriots largesse. Like many before him don't be surprised if he somehow loses that magic Patriot touch away from the golden farm. The type of poor judgment he displayed would have him drawn and quartered in the Patriots organisation. The Pats will be better off without him.

Dowlinn

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

wow the bears are clowns.

That’s a bit harsh.
The Bears have always had an issue with the QB position and for them to pass up the chance to finally get a young top class player in who could possibly be around for the next 10 years would have been crazy on their part. How often does a young experienced talented QB become available like Cutler has?
They gave up a few draft picks but lets be honest who would they have got at 18 in the draft this year that would improve their team better than Cutler can. Definitely not a QB as there isn’t a QB in the draft that comes close to him. As for the 3rd round pick well they have another 3rd to play about with and still have I think 7 or 8 picks this year.
Who knows if he will work out as no player is guaranteed to be successful but here and now this is the right move for Chicago.

Dodge

Think everyone will be fairly happy with the deal. Bears have a franchise quarterback (on relatively low pay) and can look after most of their needs lower down in the draft without splashing too much cash.

Broncos get some picks to look after their huge needs and an Ok QB in Orton. They're further form winning now, but there was huge problems there last year so quantity is needed too.

Cutler goes to a team with a defence that won't throw away games the way his denver defence did and has the oppertunity to start winning straight away

I think they still need a RB and some WRs but WRs will definitel want to work with Cutler now

tallaghtoutlaws

Dowlinn wrote: »

That’s a bit harsh.
The Bears have always had an issue with the QB position and for them to pass up the chance to finally get a young top class player in who could possibly be around for the next 10 years would have been crazy on their part. How often does a young experienced talented QB become available like Cutler has?
They gave up a few draft picks but lets be honest who would they have got at 18 in the draft this year that would improve their team better than Cutler can. Definitely not a QB as there isn’t a QB in the draft that comes close to him. As for the 3rd round pick well they have another 3rd to play about with and still have I think 7 or 8 picks this year.
Who knows if he will work out as no player is guaranteed to be successful but here and now this is the right move for Chicago.

How can you say that? Sure when Cutler himself went into the Draft alot of people said the same thing about him. I watched him at Vandy and thought he had a bright future but had alot to work on but he was lumped into a draft with Matt Leinhart and Vince Young and alot of people doubted Cutler. But one thing he had over Leinhart and Young was distance and power in his throws. And one of the best spirals around.

Now take what I put in bold. You cant honestly say that Freeman, Herrell, Sanchez and Stafford wont live up to the same prospect as Cutler. No one knows that. Right now what the Bears have acquired is a young guy with alot to offer but I wouldnt say he is top class and you cant turn around and say the QBs in this years draft wont do the same thing. No one knows that.Simple as.

For me Denver got the better of the 2 deals in all fairness. They get an ok QB in Orton who could work nicely in Denvers new system and now with all those extra picks they get to fix that defense.

The Bears on the other hand still need decent WR and RB now and honestly giving up that first pick leaves them with less options certainly at WR as the top guys wont see the second round.

If Cutler doesnt work at the bears they are back to square one. Although the Bears have never been good with draft picks so maybe it might be a blessing in disguise if this Cutler trade works for them.

Oat23

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

The Bears on the other hand still need decent WR and RB now and honestly giving up that first pick leaves them with less options certainly at WR as the top guys wont see the second round.

The 2nd round will have ALOT of talented WR's, we need a big WR, about 6-2, we don't need another hester type reciever...we have Bennett too, he was Cutlers go-to-guy at Vanderbilt so im excited about seeing what Bennett can do. And if you look past the draft, teams will be releasing WR's to make room for the new guys, i also hear a fella by the name of Torry Holt is available;).....and needing a RB is a typo right?

Matt Forté? 1,200yds rushing?

Chi-Town will no longer be the place where WR's come to die...f**k you Moose .

Dowlinn

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

How can you say that? Sure when Cutler himself went into the Draft alot of people said the same thing about him. I watched him at Vandy and thought he had a bright future but had alot to work on but he was lumped into a draft with Matt Leinhart and Vince Young and alot of people doubted Cutler. But one thing he had over Leinhart and Young was distance and power in his throws. And one of the best spirals around.

Now take what I put in bold. You cant honestly say that Freeman, Herrell, Sanchez and Stafford wont live up to the same prospect as Cutler. No one knows that. Right now what the Bears have acquired is a young guy with alot to offer but I wouldnt say he is top class and you cant turn around and say the QBs in this years draft wont do the same thing. No one knows that.Simple as.

For me Denver got the better of the 2 deals in all fairness. They get an ok QB in Orton who could work nicely in Denvers new system and now with all those extra picks they get to fix that defense.

The Bears on the other hand still need decent WR and RB now and honestly giving up that first pick leaves them with less options certainly at WR as the top guys wont see the second round.

If Cutler doesnt work at the bears they are back to square one. Although the Bears have never been good with draft picks so maybe it might be a blessing in disguise if this Cutler trade works for them.

Fair enough at this point we have no idea how the guys in the draft will develop. Maybe one of the QB’s you listed will be better maybe not. Maybe they will be good enough to start next season maybe not. Maybe they will be in the league for years to come maybe they will bust out in a couple of years. At the end of the day Cutler has 3 years NFL experience, has been to the Pro-Bowl and has shown he is more than good enough to come in now play to a high level and win which the Bears need.

Both teams came out of this well because Denver can work on their defence with the extra picks and we have what I think is a top class young QB who will by far improve our team.

I’ll agree with you on the draft picks. Angelo seems to find good players in the mid to lower rounds while being very hit and miss in the early ones so maybe it is a blessing in disguise he’s not picking in the 1st for a couple of years

Hazys

V good deal for the Broncos imo.

McDaniels can draft a l8r round QB this year and try and develop him in the long term and then with 2 picks in the 1st round next hope that they land one of the better QBs available next year.

Royal Seahawk

Great move for the Bears i think. A few draft picks is a small price to pay to get someone like Cutler into a Qb needy team.
To be honest i find the first couple rounds of the draft extremely overhyped, with as many busts as success stories considering the money being paid. Better off getting a young pro-bowl Qb who has proved himself in the NFL(to a certain extent anyway) than putting your trust into a recently drafted Qb or an inconsistent or much injured one.

bobby wade

Gave up too much. Gained more talent at QB position but judging from the last couple weeks have we lost some leadership?? Cutler has a loosing record as a starter. KO has a 75% win rating. I'm torn on this trade. Love the Pace pick-up

Peyton Manning

Perhaps the Broncos have their eyes on Tebow or Bradford in next years draft.

jdivision

Or McCoy

tallaghtoutlaws

Oatesy23 wrote: »

Matt Forté? 1,200yds rushing?

Chi-Town will no longer be the place where WR's come to die...f**k you Moose .

You need two decent backs and right now have one quality and 2 average. The bears have Matt Forte, Kevin Jones and Adrian Petersen. Forte yes defo still one for the future but Jones in my opinion is average at best and Mr Petersen unlike his namesake is again average at best. Ideally drafting a back in the lower rounds he could help carry loads in the future is ideal and definitely needed. Forte is excellent but not a machine and will need someone to take some of the load of him and Jones and Petersen are not it.

bobby wade

eagle eye wrote: »

No they said they wanted two first round picks and that getting a QB in return was not a necessity.

There was clearly a bidding war to have Kyle Orton and a 3rd round pick added to the package.

I think its a super deal for the Broncos, I think Orton is the type of guy to fit very nicely into a McDaniels system. He certainly is not a gunslinger and he is known to work very hard, a real McDaniels type of guy.

For the Bears to give up this much is a bit crazy imo. Although they now have a serious QB and things could go the right way for them very quickly now. Although you would have to wonder what way Cutler will react if he has a bad game, we all know how the Bears fan are quick to boo the team if they are not performing.

On the plus side, its been a long time since they had a QB of this standard, the last great quarterback in the windy city that I remember was Jim McMahon. Culter could turn out to be the next great one, time will tell. 4500 yards last year is a hard task to follow up, but if he gets near 4000 the Bears will be going places.

From what I've been reading & hearing Orton was the deal clincher, no Orton no deal.

tallaghtoutlaws

bobby wade wrote: »

From what I've been reading & hearing Orton was the deal clincher, no Orton no deal.

What I have been saying all along

Oat23

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

You need two decent backs and right now have one quality and 2 average. The bears have Matt Forte, Kevin Jones and Adrian Petersen. Forte yes defo still one for the future but Jones in my opinion is average at best and Mr Petersen unlike his namesake is again average at best. Ideally drafting a back in the lower rounds he could help carry loads in the future is ideal and definitely needed. Forte is excellent but not a machine and will need someone to take some of the load of him and Jones and Petersen are not it.

I know what backs we have...Peterson IS average, Kevin Jones has potential, he was good in his rookie year then got a knee injury. He's our number 2, we fought off the Bills to re-sign him. He aint going to return to Chicago unless he's been told he'll get more carries..

bobby wade

Ya gotta think that last year Jones just wasn't 100% why else re-sign when he wasn't getting carries. Forte a the #1, Jones to spell him AP as special teams. I'd still like to see a nice package put in for Wolfe where he gets a few touches per game

tallaghtoutlaws

Oatesy23 wrote: »

I know what backs we have...Peterson IS average, Kevin Jones has potential, he was good in his rookie year then got a knee injury. He's our number 2, we fought off the Bills to re-sign him. He aint going to return to Chicago unless he's been told he'll get more carries..

As I said it was my opinion on Jones. His Rookie year was 5 seasons ago. He has only carried 3100 odd yards in 5 seasons. In fairness he is nothing more than a stable back up and this is due to his injuries. If he ever regains his abilities before the injury he has potential. His durability will always be in question. Wolfe in my opinion has more potential than Jones at this point.

Karlusss

An interesting comparison:

Jay Cutler's 2008 season
Completions - 384
Attempts - 616
300yd Games - 8
Pass Yards - 4,526

Bears All-Time Records
Completions - 315
Attempts - 522
300yd Games - 4
Pass Yards - 3,838

bobby wade

press conference is on chicagobears.com now

Lirange

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Although the Bears have never been good with draft picks

A slight exaggeration. I'd say Hester, Urlacher, and several other D picks worked out.

Dodge

I forgot about Matt Forte! Ooops

Oat23

Forte is a beast, he will prove that again next year.

Our RB and QB positions are taken care of for the next decade.

You have no idea how long i have been dreaming of saying that

dardarjetpack

GO BEARS.....
Its a great trade for the Bears. Orton was ok last year but he does not have the potential of Cutler. As for loosing 2 first round picks, the draft this year is not that great for the bears, next year should be a better draft class. GO BEARS......

themont85

I personally think this is a superb trade for the Bears and the Broncos(they are losing their franchise player though despite the criticisms of him). Broncos get Orton, a solid QB surrounded by talent, if a little short in the running game. The Broncos can upgrade the D most definately in this draft and even do that and get another qb if warranted with their first rounders or deeper on.

For the Bears, they have acquired a top 5 qb imo. Over 4,500 yards for any player is a great achievment but with a team with a non descript D and no running game is very impressive. He may not have all the W's but he is young, Manning and many other Franchise Qbs didnt mature in the playoffs for years. The Bears have a solid running game and a running back going into his second year who is already one of the top all rounds backs around, his catching is a often overlooked part of the Bears offensive weapons. Tight ends are both solid whilst Hester has raw potential. Last year I watched the last couple of Bears games and have to say he has improved greatly. If Orton could hit the deep ball he would have got a lot more TDs. Bears need another WR though and to deepen their defence's depth. Angelo is a master of getting his worth out of 2 onward..

2 firsts and a 3rd with Orton is worth it. The Bears do better drafting from rounds 2 onwards under Angelo. It would have been unlikely they'd pick up a franchise QB in the middle order of the draft, where the Bears often are. As a Bills fan if you ask me i would have loved such a trade, the amount of hit and miss first round QBs is ridiculous considering the tests they do on them. I would give up 3 first rounders knowing id get solid play from the QB for 10 years. Look at it this way, first rounders are a huge risk with QBs and it also usually takes time for them to mature to be league ready. The Bears effictively got a relatively risk free player who is already set in the league.

Karlusss

themont85 wrote: »

For the Bears, they have acquired a top 5 qb imo.

Did they get the best QB it was possible for them to get this off-season? Yes. Top Five?

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, maybe Donovan McNabb, Ben Roethlisberger.

Lirange

Talent wise he is better than all those save the first two. The question is will he be a winner? He is also younger than each of those QB's and by a good margin for most of them.

As for TOP 5 there are currently only two QBs that are shoe-ins. The other three are arguable. Cutler is easily in that discussion with his skills and production.

eagle eye

Another best Quarterback thread looming.:)

I think you got Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Then you go Ben Roethlisberger, then you have the next group.

Its clear to everybody that Brady and Manning are the top two. For me after them its Big Ben and the reason for that is that he too gets it done when the pressure is on. With the rest of them you have to question marks, with Warner its simply is he too old for another year? his injury prone nature also.
You have Cutler who has shown that he can do it but we need to see more of the same from him to prove he belongs in the top bracket. You have the hugely talented Phillip Rivers who I don't think has the cajones for the big playoff games. You have in my mind the most talented of this bunch in Drew Brees but he has to prove himself on at the end of the season as well and time is ticking on, he is 30 now. Eli comes into the equation as well, he can do it on the big stage but you have to wonder what Eli turns up on any given day. McNabb is also one who has flattered to deceive throughout his career mixing the brilliant with the pathetic, and his cojones are questionable too.
Then the new guys come into it, another good season from Matt Ryan and he will be ranked highly, same goes for Flacco. And of course Matt Cassel is in with those guys.

Chucky the tree

eagle eye wrote: »

Another best Quarterback thread looming.:)

I think you got Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Then you go Ben Roethlisberger, then you have the next group.

Its clear to everybody that Brady and Manning are the top two. For me after them its Big Ben and the reason for that is that he too gets it done when the pressure is on. With the rest of them you have to question marks, with Warner its simply is he too old for another year? his injury prone nature also.
You have Cutler who has shown that he can do it but we need to see more of the same from him to prove he belongs in the top bracket. You have the hugely talented Phillip Rivers who I don't think has the cajones for the big playoff games. You have in my mind the most talented of this bunch in Drew Brees but he has to prove himself on at the end of the season as well and time is ticking on, he is 30 now. Eli comes into the equation as well, he can do it on the big stage but you have to wonder what Eli turns up on any given day. McNabb is also one who has flattered to deceive throughout his career mixing the brilliant with the pathetic, and his cojones are questionable too.
Then the new guys come into it, another good season from Matt Ryan and he will be ranked highly, same goes for Flacco. And of course Matt Cassel is in with those guys.

How can Joe Flacco be considered as a top QB? Because he plays for a team with an excellent defense? He's done well for his first season but he was spectacular at all. I wouldnt have him in the top 15. As for Matt Cassell I'd have Rodgers and Schuab ahead of him.


My group rankings anyway

1st: Brady/Manning
2nd: Rothlesburgers/Rivers/Drew Brees
3rd: Cutler/Romo/Hasselback/Schuab/McNabb/Warner/Chad Pennington
4th: Delhomme/Gerrard/Bulger/Collins/Eli Mannings/
5th: Orton

I think the following players I think could do very well:
Flacco/Tyler Thigpen/Jamarcus Russell/Matt Ryan/Matt Cassell/Brady Quinn/Derek Anderson/Aaron Rodgers. I originally had Rodgers in the 3rd group but I'll give him another season just to be sure. I was also impressed with Sennaca Wallace aswell but I dont any if he'll ever get a chance.

The rest of the QB's in the league will never amount to much.

themont85

Karlusss wrote: »

Did they get the best QB it was possible for them to get this off-season? Yes. Top Five?

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, maybe Donovan McNabb, Ben Roethlisberger.

Okay top perhaps a bit rash, I do think he is better than McNabb imo and a much better age. Talent wise he imo is better than Big Ben, although he is a winner in a much much better team than the Broncos were which Cutler thus far isn't so ye Big Ben without a doubt is atm. Brees, ye he's great but imo he's the same as Cutler, has whopper stats but a ****ty defence around him. He's older than Cutler though so give me Cutler tbh. Rivers, ye i wouldn't mind his leadership and playoff experience but its debatable between the two, i mean Rivers can have a hot head at times on the pitch and has thus far had the best RB of his generation behind him. Obviousely he's no where near Brady or Manning yet and probably will never be. Warner, meh he's what 36, how good will he be next year? Age is a huge factor imo for such a huge trade.

I reckon the Bears got a great deal. Okay, strip away what he has done in the NFL and go on talent alone, he is more than worth a first round pick, I just looked him up he went 11 in 06. The Bears had 18 this year, they wouldn't have got a similarly talanted QB this year going by depth and also they are to high and would have to mover way up to get a shot at Sanchez ect, thus the third rounder they have given up ain't all that bad.

Then you look at the other first rounder. Well imo, they are getting a relatively risk free player who they know won't bust like a Sanchez could very well. 2 years experience and a year of great stats which the Bears have never had. A couple of first rounders to get a player who is on the road to been elite for 10+ years, yes please.

Then there's Orton. Orton is effectively a throwaway in the deal for the Bears and saves a pick. Orton is a guy who can start in the NFL, wouldn't be starting at the Bears now-not a hope. He would be a waste of a bench warmer and would be traded too. I reckon the 5th rounder the Bears got was all part of the negotiation the Bears needed to show Orton and everyone else they got something for him. A fifth rounder is low, I would say he is worth a third or even a low second, but as a negotiating tool when his value is virtually nothing to you, give him up if the Broncos are keen.

As a Bills fan I would jump at this deal tbh. I suppose I really rate this guy too,but looking at it-his age, his stats, the fact he supported the Bears as a boy-great deal imo. And listen I love how everybody is slating the guy as a huge 'ego', lets be honest every QB at that level does. Manning, Elway ect were all the same after a couple of years and would have reacted angerily if a trade was broached. Perhaps there's other factors at play in this but effectively the Broncos did show a lack of faith in him. All QBs need to be shown their team has faith in them,they need their ego massaged, the Bears will most certaintly do that with Cutler!

Lirange

I wouldn't have Roethlisberger in the top 5. He is a winner and shows up for the big game. He can create plays out of nothing at times and he does have two rings. However, you can't really say the Steelers got to the Superbowl on his arm. He's not a prolific passer and isn't known for consistency.

Royal Seahawk

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I was also impressed with Sennaca Wallace aswell but I dont any if he'll ever get a chance.
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He won't for a reason. He's not that good. I've watched every play he's being involved in with Seattle including one game in the flesh. His decision making and throwing accuracy leave an awful lot to be desired.
Not being biased here but i do believe Matt Hasselbeck is in the top drawer of quarterbacks when healthy,aside from Manning and Brady of course. He would have a championship ring for all his troubles if it wasn't for some terrible umpiring calls in SuperBowl XL.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Karlusss

I think it's mad to suggest that Drew Brees isn't better than Jay Cutler - neither team had much of a run game last year or much of a defense, but Brees' number one receiver was injured for a chunk of games (I had the number 2 in fantasy) and he still had the second best single season passing record of all-time. He's not the best quarterback in the NFL, but he's proven himself.

Also, Kurt Warner has got to be up with Brady and Manning after last season.

It's debatable after that. Philip Rivers hasn't shown much in post-season, but Jay Cutler hasn't shown much in post-season either, so that's kind of a moot point when comparing them.

McNabb is a "choker" only in the sense that he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet. He's got one of the best records in the NFL and he has done it for the most part without marquee receivers (apart from one season, when he got to the Super Bowl). Roethlisberger's claim is based on the fact that he HAS won Super Bowls but he's not actually amazingly talented.

But to me all of those guys are safer hands to put a team in.

themont85

Karlusss wrote: »

I think it's mad to suggest that Drew Brees isn't better than Jay Cutler - neither team had much of a run game last year or much of a defense, but Brees' number one receiver was injured for a chunk of games (I had the number 2 in fantasy) and he still had the second best single season passing record of all-time. He's not the best quarterback in the NFL, but he's proven himself.

Also, Kurt Warner has got to be up with Brady and Manning after last season.

It's debatable after that. Philip Rivers hasn't shown much in post-season, but Jay Cutler hasn't shown much in post-season either, so that's kind of a moot point when comparing them.

McNabb is a "choker" only in the sense that he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet. He's got one of the best records in the NFL and he has done it for the most part without marquee receivers (apart from one season, when he got to the Super Bowl). Roethlisberger's claim is based on the fact that he HAS won Super Bowls but he's not actually amazingly talented.

But to me all of those guys are safer hands to put a team in.

Worth 2 number 1s and a 3,don't think so. Cutler is younger than the aforementioned players in your post. Of all the teams of the above, Denver have the worst defence and running game. Give Cutler the Steelers D, the Eagles, god even the Chargers D with Merriman and see what happens. Cutler hasn't reached his franchise potential yet. Again his age is crucial for this deal, its a 10+ year investment in your franchise more than worth it. McNabb, Warner and Brees aren't.

Scally07

If the Bronco's send that 18th to the Browns for Brady Quinn then I think this is a decent deal. As it stands the Bears got a pro bowl Q.b for a 1st rounder in a crappy draft, and a first rounder next year in a draft in which they'd hopefully be picking late in anyway. I'd be pretty pleased if I was a Bears fan.

Orton is adequate but with that defence and him under centre McDaniels won't last too long.