sinn fein call to ban all blood sports

jwshooter

as above .
at there recent Ard fheis in dublin there was a motion to ban all blood sports.
this motion to ban all blood sports has been carried and has now been adopted as party policy.

with the european and local elections coming up ,we should not and can not stand for this .
i just hope im in the eve they call to my home .

endasmail

no more votes for sinn fein so

polite

With Sinn Fein's background....they want to ban blood sports....must be a joke?

Maybe if people only shot <---insert your own word here---> in the knees and ankles they might change their minds on this one?

Unbelieveable.

JunkieW

polite wrote: »

With Sinn Fein's background....they want to ban blood sports....must be a joke?

Maybe if people only shot <---insert your own word here---> in the knees and ankles they might change their minds on this one?

Unbelieveable.

April fool?

Sounds like Sinn Fein are going after the Green Party vote, but it still sounds more like a joke .

Kristopherus

polite wrote: »

With Sinn Fein's background....they want to ban blood sports....must be a joke?

Maybe if people only shot <---insert your own word here---> in the knees and ankles they might change their minds on this one?

Unbelieveable.

Polite, you got in before me !!!

A lot of the Shinn(tt)ers had plenty practice with the other type of shooting. You'd think they'd be still interested in sport shooting at least. W*nkers

jwshooter

Kristopherus wrote: »

Polite, you got in before me !!!

A lot of the Shinn(tt)ers had plenty practice with the other type of shooting. You'd think they'd be still interested in sport shooting at least. W*nkers

lads stick to the point no shxt about the troubles thanks.

Sparks

This thread is walking close to a line alright. Nonetheless, it is true about the Sinn Fein policy. If folks want to discuss that, okay - if we wander back into Troubles territory, we'll just lock and delete the thread, okay?

Board Walker

Sinn fein want to ban blood sports? haha thats rich!

jwshooter

Sparks wrote: »

This thread is walking close to a line alright. Nonetheless, it is true about the Sinn Fein policy. If folks want to discuss that, okay - if we wander back into Troubles territory, we'll just lock and delete the thread, okay?

i agree 100% sparks .i was in two minds to start this thread but we should know whats going on .

it is very worrying to me that a new party in power should take such a stance the greens will fuel the fire now.

Tikkat3

Sparks wrote: »

This thread is walking close to a line alright. Nonetheless, it is true about the Sinn Fein policy. If folks want to discuss that, okay - if we wander back into Troubles territory, we'll just lock and delete the thread, okay?

Totally agree and proper order, this is not the place to discuss 'the Troubles'.

Certainly seems like a pitch for green votes.

Have SF ever disclosed what their actual definition of 'blood sports' is?

Kristopherus

jwshooter wrote: »

lads stick to the point no shxt about the troubles thanks.

Sarcasm, my friend. Same as other posters:rolleyes:

lordarpad

does biting my tongue to the point where it is bleeding count as blood sports?

Traumadoc

Do they want to ban angling?

JunkieW

Sinn Fein are mostly urban based, so they obviously believe they'll gain more votes then they'll lose by following this policy.

It'd be our job to prove them wrong.

jwshooter

All field sports not just fox hunting and coursing .

time to sit up and pay attention , they will most lightly jump on the pistol band wagon also .

Trojan911

I've never voted or listened to Sinn Fein. I don't intend starting now.

pullandbang

Is it not Labour Policy too or am I mistaken?

thelurcher

Sinn fein target themselves at a certain kind of person that we in hunting and shooting are much better off without - they're day has come and gone they have no place in Irish politics anymore.

Now what I would be afraid of is cowen and co seeing a ban attempt as a way of taking some pressure off them for a while - just like blair did.

cavan shooter

I was at a Regional game Council meeting last week where we were told of this development. I went home and wrote to the Local TD expressing my concerns and recieved a reply distancing the term blood sports from shooting/hunting and fishing pursuits for the pot etc etc.

I then replied using links to the ICABS website where we as hunters/shooters are all lumped in under that "blood Sports" I got a different reply from another public representative, again trying to claw back on the issue.

Apparently it was voted in by a narrow majority Anyhow I sent out a letter to all Gun Club members as there were other things needing raising and asked all members to make this and other issues affecting our sport a doorstop issue with the elections coming up.

Pat Rabbitte (I think) didi say he was against Fox hunting but had no objections to shooting/fishing for the pot. Look at the ICABS website for more info on Politicians views

pullandbang

Just reading the Clar and motion 160 is from that bastion of country pursuits, Drimnagh, Dublin 12 and it's an Ogra Cumann - the youth of today!
It reads
"This Ard Fheis calls for a total ban on all blood sports, including Hare Coursing and Fox Hunting"

I presume this is the one that was passed.

The next motion is interesting - Motion 161 from two Cumann - Kerry & Tipp.
"That this Ard Fheis reiterates it's view that Hare Coursing is not a blood sport and that it opposes any attempt to ban a popular rural sport"

I wonder was this one passed along with the previous?
Obviously their policy prior to this Ard Fheis did not support a ban of any sorts.

Still, when they come knocking for votes we have to make our opposition to their policies known along with any others who oppose our sport and recreation.

mallards

Traumadoc wrote: »

Do they want to ban angling?

I would doubt it very much, Marty McGuinness is a mad keen Salmon fisher. See how he would like it if his party were up for banning it also!

Mallards.

brieny1000

endasmail wrote: »

no more votes for sinn fein so

+1:mad::mad::mad:

pullandbang

thelurcher wrote: »

Sinn fein target themselves at a certain kind of person that we in hunting and shooting are much better off without

Are we in hunting and shooting better off without the working class and the small farmers? I think not - as my understanding is that they are the target market for the Sinn Fein vote.
I suppose like most left of centre parties they will attract their fair share of antis, just like in the Greens and Labour.

foxshooter243

mallards wrote: »

I would doubt it very much, Marty McGuinness is a mad keen Salmon fisher. See how he would like it if his party were up for banning it also!

Mallards.

thats true , ive met him several times flyfishing on the crana river

Duck's hoop

pullandbang wrote: »

Are we in hunting and shooting better off without the working class and the small farmers?

I had a similar thought when I heard this. But surely there are plenty of small farmers and 'working class' people involved in shooting/hunting/fishing? I know there are round where I'm from, and I'm not exactly a dinner party head myself.

So I can't see how they hope to appeal to that particular demographic with a sweeping, general ban on 'blood sports'. Surely it's counter-productive.

They never got my vote anyway, and this nonsense just confirms my suspicions. Crowd of chancers.

Junki3

endasmail wrote: »

no more votes for sinn fein so

Yup yup

tiny-nioclas

I've always vote Sinn Fein beacause their the only party that that showed respect for the working class as of late but i wont now, their a dead party anyway, the next election will take them out of irish politics id say. As far as the stereotyping going on in this thread its pathetic, would you vote fine gael? Do people forget the brownshirts and the blueshirts?? haha...

Who will i vote for now!!? I want to vote for a party that doesnt have serious "Croppy lie down" syndrome but i want a party that will stand by the hunting community also...

pullandbang

tiny-nioclas wrote: »

but i want a party that will stand by the hunting community also...

I wouldn't hold my breath!

Rovi

<SNIPPAGE>

Let's keep the personal jibes and inter-Party politics out of it folks.

Vegeta

Don't know how but I knew this when the last elections were going on. Think I read it on their site or something that they were anti blood sport

When the local girl (quite young and attractive) called to the house she asked would I be voting and were there any issues she could help with. I politely told her that as Sinn Fein were anti hunting that I could not vote for them.

pullandbang

Vegeta wrote: »

I politely told her that as Sinn Fein were anti hunting that I could not vote for them.

That poses an interesting question.

In todays economic downturn (don't mention the R word), I'd imagine that most people would have major concerns over their jobs, mortgages, savings, pensions, etc etc. All the usual headaches but very much to the front of people's mind at present.

Given the state of the nation and the need for our elected representatives to do something about it, would anyone deicde where to cast their vote based on their party's stance on hunting?

Would people feel that other policies on the economy etc. would rank as being more or less important than hunting?

I'm not specifically picking on the policies of any particular party, just parties in general.

jwshooter

why are the nargc,icpsa,cai,etc . not running this story on there wed sites

Callow Man

Sinn Fein's stance on hunting is just another reason not to vote for them.

Sparks

jwshooter wrote: »

why are the nargc,icpsa,cai,etc . not running this story on there wed sites

The NARGC are.
Have been for weeks.
The others aren't the lead body for hunting.

jwshooter

not on there wed sites .

it matters not who is a lead body in field sports .every small game club in the country should be made aware of this .

Sparks

Yes on their websites jw. From NARGC.ie:

SINN FEIN POLICY ON FIELDSPORTS
You'll be amazed to read the attachment which reflects Sinn Fein policy on our sport. I'm sure you all won't forget this at the upcoming Elections !

jwshooter

so it is sparks . its not what you call getting top billing .

Sparks

No, it's not - the NARGC website isn't great that way. But at least it's up there, so the only change needed is a tweak, rather than a massive change in policy

pullandbang

Just sent an email using the content of the NARGC letter to my local councillor and CC'd it to the four TD's.

I got undeliverable bounce backs from the four TD's:mad:

pullandbang

Timely resurrection of this thread. Despite the undeliverable messages from the four TD's, I actually got a response from one of them, Martin Ferris in Kerry.

As a political party organised in rural communities across Ireland, Sinn
Féin members are involved in all aspects of life including traditional rural
activities.
At our Ard Fheis this year, a controversial motion in opposition to hare
coursing was passed by a very narrow margin. I understand that there has
been some confusion and dissatisfaction about this position but there are
also individuals who have sought to make political mischief on the issue.
Many members and supporters of the party, including myself, are opposed to
this position and as a result I have undertaken to present a new motion to
our next Ard Fheis. I have already secured considerable support from
members across Ireland for this position. Below is the text of the motion.
"Without prejudice to the party's continued position of opposition to cruel
farming practices, unnecessary and cruel animal testing, and the unnecessary
infliction of cruelty to animals, especially for the purposes of
entertainment, this Ard Fheis:
. Affirms its support for traditional rural activities including hunting and
fishing and acknowledges the value that such activities bring to local rural
economies.
. Believes that the banning of hare coursing would drive it underground and
remove current regulations, which are essential to protect the animals
involved. Therefore we oppose such an outright ban.
. Affirms that it continues to oppose "bloodsports", by which it means dog
fighting and badger baiting.
Rural communities across Ireland are under huge pressure and it is important
that we work together for what is right. That includes issues like
traditional rural activities but it is also includes keeping jobs in
Ireland, protecting health and education, ensuring that pensioners and
people with disabilities are not made to carry the can for the economic
crisis caused by this government. I hope that this letter helps to clarify
matters. If you have any queries do not hesitate to contact me at the above
numbers.
Is mise,

Martin Ferris TD

There isn't an election by any chance?

meathstevie

Pullandbang, you're in Meath as well. Were you by any chance talking to Micheal Gallagher ( who's the father of a Drumconrath GC member ) ? I met him canvassing in the town where I live last weekend and asked him about their position on our type of hunting. They way he put it is that the rural membership of the party was more or less caught of guard at the ard fheis and that there's serious work being put into internal lobbying to have that motion made undone at the following ard fheis. The name of Martin Ferris was indeed mentioned as one of the people who wish to reverse this position.

jwshooter

they woud say mass for you now if ya asked them.

kay 9

So, who is the best of a bad lot to vote for in relation to keeping our sport intact for as long as possible? Labour maybe? Or the greens lol.... I can see Sinn Fein takin a fall in my general area after hearing abt this.. And I'm sure in other areas also. Anyway, would like to hear of a healthy opposition to vote for in respect of our long founded sport...Yours,
Kay

meathstevie

jwshooter wrote: »

they woud say mass for you now if ya asked them.

At the end of it all it's election time and the business is seats...I was just relating what I was told and to be quite frank about it if Sinn Fein wants to keep it's rural support they'll be better of making an about turn on that decision asap.

Sparks

kay 9 wrote: »

So, who is the best of a bad lot to vote for in relation to keeping our sport intact for as long as possible?

Looks like labour, but it really is a case of the best of a bad lot

cavan shooter

When the sinn fhein stand broke and on foot of the NARGC mail shot to secretaries I wrote to the sitting TD and Martin Ferris. After some e mail table tennis and pointing out how ICABS etc lump hunting in with blood sports, got an e mail back clarifying the position and giving an undertaking that Mr. Ferris would push to have the position clarified. Fair dues looks like he did it:)

But they still want to ban handguns lol :rolleyes:

paddyboy23

i think that campain started when micheal stone got released on the good friday aggrement,whats next road bowls

G17

Sparks wrote: »

Looks like labour, but it really is a case of the best of a bad lot

+1 based on my personal contact with ALL the parties (and several independents).

thelurcher

The biggest mistake SF are making is in thinking that this is a rural issue - look at where their poster campaigns are targeting mainly - it's the more 'working class' areas of the cities - where nearly every second family has a lurcher or terrier.
I was at a meeting with adams a few weeks ago and to be honest the man hasn't a clue about any kind of hunting nor do I think could he care less what happens to it one way or the other.
He denied outright that SF is an anti party - now anyone with even a passing interest in politics will know that many in his party are being held up as poster boys for the likes of ICABS.
It's all well and good that ferris is making a stand but they just don't have the backing of their active party members on this - and that's the only criteria on which you can judge any party.

All we can do is spread the word on the anti parties - most SF supporters I've talked to cannot believe their stance on this issue.

With so many people out of work and fecked for money - how does any politician think it's a good move to try and take away their hobbies too :rolleyes:

pullandbang

meathstevie wrote: »

Were you by any chance talking to Micheal Gallagher

No, I never met him. In fact I haven't met any of the candidates yet other than one local chap who is standing for FF in Meath Coonty Council elcetions. They must call when I'm not at home:).

I do however know of my local Sinn Fein Town Councillor and Joe O'Reilly on Meath Co. Co. and neither of them would support any ban on our sport.

I also had a heated discussion some time ago with a Labour councillor who was totally opposed to my past time:mad: - all the usual killing little animals sh1te!

Sparks

pullandbang wrote: »

I also had a heated discussion some time ago with a Labour councillor who was totally opposed to my past time:mad: - all the usual killing little animals sh1te!

Irish politics being Irish politics, I wouldn't bother listening to local councillors - it's the party leaders you have to watch.