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Munroe to fight Netty for title

  • 01-04-2009 12:15pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭


    ....and Bernard was criticized for his opponents :cool:..


    Oh yeah link - bbc.co.uk thats all you getting find the rest yourself :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭adamburke83


    This Guy is an absoloute BUM


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Provide a link and the thread will be re-opened!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    Grow up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭ShaunD


    That is a joke!How can a European champion justify fighting a guy with only 3 wins out of 6 fights and 1 ko?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭sligobhoy67


    Adam, you are right - the guy is a bum!!!!! And to think that I have laid into the Hylands for some of the opposition that they faced in the past.

    Here is Netty's record! http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=222654&cat=boxer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Slowly but surely you are learning!

    Munroe should win this, nice warm up for
    Dunne!

    Locked by accident fellas, apologies

    Thanks Sligo!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭mark renton


    Looks like they reckon they are close to a world title shot and are playing it very very safe


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭sligobhoy67


    this is surely the best April Fool of the day!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    Joke or what, Frank Maloney is a hypocrite.

    I honestly think Munroe will be going for the British title after this against either Matthew Marsh or Mark Moran [who fight on the 17th of April] and putting his European and soon to be Commonwealth title on the line.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭adamburke83


    unknown13 wrote: »
    Joke or what, Frank Maloney is a hypocrite.

    I honestly think Munroe will be going for the British title after this against either Matthew Marsh or Mark Moran [who fight on the 17th of April] and putting his European and soon to be Commonwealth title on the line.

    that aint going to happen,
    the eupopean title is at super-bantam and the commenwealth is at bantam weight,
    this fight is a joke, fighting a guy like this should not even be allowed happen,
    how is a guy like that even eliglbe for the commenwealth is beyond me, i know to fight for the irish title you have to have at leat 8 fights under your belt 1 of which has to be a sanctioned 8 rounder..........
    so i dunno what way it works for the commenwealth though i taught it would of been near the same


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 968 ✭✭✭ODD-JOB


    And..... it's pay per view :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭ShaunD


    Mr "I could beat both Dunne and Cordoba" is now proving his self belief and confidence by fighting a farmer from Ghana.
    If this is his tune up for a possible fight with Dunne, Maloney is taking the piss!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭adamburke83


    my mistake i taught this was for the bantam weight but it is actually for the super-bantam weight title,
    which i cant understand?????
    you would have to vacate the commenwealth, british or irish title to fight for a european title at the same weight,
    so does this mean he has to vacate the european to fight for the commenwealth????
    im confused :confused::confused::confused::confused:
    Does anyone wanna clear things up if they can


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    ShaunD wrote: »
    Mr "I could beat both Dunne and Cordoba" is now proving his self belief and confidence by fighting a farmer from Ghana.
    If this is his tune up for a possible fight with Dunne, Maloney is taking the piss!
    I am not defending Munroe at all; but he's hardly gonna' risk losing in his
    tune up fight. This is a spar and will just keep him
    ticking over.

    Bernard has had his fair share of tomato cans as well. His last three
    fights before Cordoba being clear evidence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭ShaunD


    walshb wrote: »
    I am not defending Munroe at all; but he's hardly gonna' risk losing in his
    tune up fight. This is a spar and will just keep him
    ticking over.

    Bernard has had his fair share of tomato cans as well. His last three
    fights before Cordoba being clear evidence.

    So you are comparing former flyweight champion, Felix Machado, Damie Marciano who took Abner Mares 12 rounds, and Cristian Faccio who challenged for the WBC belt, all of whom have decent records, with the no. 3 super bantamweight in Ghana?

    Not wanting to risk your title is one thing, taking this ludicrous fight with 0 risk, is quite another.

    Your definition of a tomato can is clearly different than most!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭sston


    walshb wrote: »
    This is a spar and will just keep him
    ticking over.

    Bernard has had his fair share of tomato cans as well. His last three
    fights before Cordoba being clear evidence.

    It's a spar that Sky will be charging people on a Pay Per View basis as part of the Hatton - Pacman show on the same night. Own up bwalsh if Dunne had fought this lad you'd have been up in arms, it's a ludicrous match and for the Commonwealth council to sanction this shows how this title has gone down the toilet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    sston wrote: »
    It's a spar that Sky will be charging people on a Pay Per View basis as part of the Hatton - Pacman show on the same night. Own up bwalsh if Dunne had fought this lad you'd have been up in arms, it's a ludicrous match and for the Commonwealth council to sanction this shows how this title has gone down the toilet.

    Am I speaking chinese?

    I said that the guy is a joke and yes, if Dunne fought him I would
    say the same.

    I also said it's a spar. That was a derogatory comment to show this as
    far far far from legit!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭ShaunD


    walshb wrote: »
    No, all I said was that Dunne too has fought his share of cans.
    Both have fought cans, now, the level of canniness'
    is open to debate, what isn't, is that they are cans.

    At least the last three men Dunne faced before Ricardo!

    All three were pretty pretty average and in a weight they shouldn't
    have been in!

    I reserve the term tomato cans for the likes of Nettey and others. Fighters who are challenging for titles and have positive records are not cans, they may be average but they still have a chance to win. This guy Munroe is fighting, has no chance to win whatsoever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    ShaunD wrote: »
    I reserve the term tomato cans for the likes of Nettey and others. Fighters who are challenging for titles and have positive records are not cans, they may be average but they still have a chance to win. This guy Munroe is fighting, has no chance to win whatsoever.

    Well, it's a simple difference of opinion on what we define a 'can' as!

    BTW, when the average fighter is really a bantam, then I lend weight to this and he goes down in my estimation when assessing Dunne or Munroe.

    When Dunne or Munroe meet 'average' bantams, then that to me is
    a 'can.'

    So, as a bantam these men may be average, but as super bantams go, they
    slip further down!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭ShaunD


    walshb wrote: »
    Well, it's a simple difference of opinion on what we define a 'can' as!

    BTW, when the average fighter is really a bantam, then I lend weight to this and he goes down in my estimation when assessing Dunne or Munroe.

    When Dunne or Munroe meet 'average' bantams, then that to me is
    a 'can.'

    So, as a bantam these men may be average, but as super bantams go, they
    slip further down!

    I suppose so but I don't think Dunne has ever fought a guy who hadn't a hope in hell of beating him.
    Bantams or not, a smaller man with a decent record and title challenges under his belt is a far cry from the Issac Nettey's of the boxing world.
    Dunne has more than made up for the average opposition by beating Cordoba.

    I can hear the BS Sky commentary for Munroe V Nettey, "Nettey is an unknown quantity who could be dangerous, you never know what you are going to get from these African fighters, blah, blah, blah........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭ShaunD


    walshb wrote: »
    Well, you do realise that this statement actually derides Dunne
    to a degree.

    Look closely at some and if you are saying these had a chance at a win, then that is derisory of Bernard. Some were really really poor!

    Not that being critical of Dunne is a crime. I'm just pointing out
    how your statement could be interpreted!

    It wasn't meant that way, if these guys fought Munroe they would have an even greater chance of beating him.
    To put it a better way, as poor as they may have been (although I think they were average not poor), they had decent records, a good bit of experience and had a fighting chance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    my mistake i taught this was for the bantam weight but it is actually for the super-bantam weight title,
    which i cant understand?????
    you would have to vacate the commenwealth, british or irish title to fight for a european title at the same weight,
    so does this mean he has to vacate the european to fight for the commenwealth????
    im confused :confused::confused::confused::confused:
    Does anyone wanna clear things up if they can

    No he doesn't have to vacate any title because there have been a few fights where commonwealth, british and european titles have been on the line but it can only really happen in the UK because most of the top British fighters are ranked with the EBU and if you beat an ex champ you get ranked very high.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    ShaunD wrote: »
    It wasn't meant that way, if these guys fought Munroe they would have an even greater chance of beating him.
    To put it a better way, as poor as they may have been (although I think they were average not poor), they had decent records, a good bit of experience and had a fighting chance.

    Put simply, the only opponent common to both is Kiko and we know how
    those bouts went.

    A bout with Rendall and Bernard is a hard hard call IMO

    Question: Would you be confident of Bernard beating Kiko if they
    meet?

    I would be confident if Dunne had he chin; but that's a big IF!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭ShaunD


    walshb wrote: »
    Put simply, the only opponent common to both is Kiko and we now how
    those bouts went.

    Question: Would you be confident of Bernard beating Kiko if they
    meet?

    I would be confident if Dunne had he chin; but that's a big IF!

    I would be very confident of Dunne beating Kiko in a rematch, and in a much more convincing fashion than Munroe did either time.
    Munroe has basically built a name for himself by beating a very limited fighter in Martinez who was overrated because of how he beat Dunne. Munroe's recent performances have proved that he himself is quite limited, as does his managers woeful matchmaking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Well, he still beat the man who beat Dunne so easily. How this can be used as
    a 'negative' astounds me.

    I also don't rate Kiko, but he did do the trick
    decisively against Dunne.

    Munroe was the MAN who exposed Kiko, not
    Bernard. Credit is reserved for Munroe here.

    Dunne losing to such a limited man, as you said he was, is
    not something that should be taken as positive

    Now, are you so sure that Dunne can avoid a flush shot for 36
    minutes? I don't think he can avoid that shot, how he reacts
    is still undetermined. I think it's safe to assume he will
    get nailed by some flush shots.

    And one must add, that "withstanding Ricardo's bombs," is
    not really all that safe to use as a measuring stick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭ShaunD


    walshb wrote: »
    Well, he still beat the man who beat Dunne so easily. How this can be used as
    a 'negative' astounds me.

    I also don't rate Kiko, but he did do the trick
    decisively against Dunne.

    Munroe was the MAN who exposed Kiko, not
    Bernard. Credit is reserved for Munroe here.

    Dunne losing to such a limited man, as you said he was, is
    not something that should be taken as positive

    Now, are you so sure that Dunne can avoid a flush shot for 36
    minutes? I don't think he can avoid that shot, how he reacts
    is still undetermined. I think it's safe to assume he will
    get nailed by some flush shots.

    And one must add, that "withstanding Ricardo's bombs," is
    not really all that safe to use as a measuring stick.

    By limited I mean that if Kiko can't knock you out he has no plan b, or dosen't have the skills to implement a plan b. Munroe covered up well for the first few rounds and won on points, that is not the great achievement some believe. It is not a negative, but not nearly as much of a positive as you'd be lead to believe.
    As for Dunne taking Martinez' punches, I can't see Martinez getting near enough to land anything of significance a second time, Dunne has learned his lesson.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭joepenguin


    Lads the only reason Munroe is fighting this guy is to get another belt under his, well... belt. Also its a stay busy fight with maximum reward for minimum risk. Dunne would be absolutely SLATED if he even mentioned fighting a guy like this. Be realistic here, we all gave him stick for Faccio, Marciano, and Machado. This Nettey guy would be a "tomatoe can" for these guys no doubt. In fact they are superstars compared to this lad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Bernard beat the man that beat an elite guy, kudos to Bernard.

    I fail to see what this has to do with Munroe
    exposing the man who easily beat Dunne.

    Two completely separate issues. No need to make up my mind!

    Kudos to Bernard and Munroe.

    Now, where were we?

    Oh yeah, Munroe is fighting a 'can.'

    We're all in agreement then?:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    My opinion on another forum:
    Now I wasn't expecting anyone great but I am disappointed with the selection of Isaac Nettey as the opponent.

    Nettey has a wide decision loss to Lante Addy. Addy fought Jason Booth not too long ago for the Commonwealth Bantamweight title and was widely beaten on points himself, and got dropped aswell. Addy was tough and game but if he beat this guy clearly then it really asks questions of Nettey.

    Herbert Quartey beat Nettey by Unanimous decision and dropped him 3 times in the process. Quartey was then stopped in 6 rounds when he came to Britain and fought Matthew Edmonds. Edmonds is a decent British level fighter at Bantamweight but he's not a puncher and that's only his 2nd stoppage win.

    Nettey also has a draw with Isaac Quaye, Quaye came to Britain to challenge for Don Broadhurst's Commonwealth Super-Flyweight title and Broadhurst won a shutout.

    Now I am only going on boxrec for this, because I obviously haven't seen Nettey fight and although Nettey will have more fights than listed these will presumely be his 6 biggest fights and his wins don't exactly look impressive.

    At best he'll be the level of the men who beat him. I was expecting Munroe to be fighting anyone fantastic, obviously a fight with Steve Molitor, Jeffrey Mathebula, Oliver Lontchi etc would be asking a bit much.

    But there's no excuse not to have got someone the level of Esham Pickering, Rocky Dean, Sande Otieno or Anyetei Laryea.
    Munroe might have learned something from those fights, and it would look like a respectable win on the record.

    Now this fight seems pointless, he may aswell have gotten a better international opponent.


    This Nettey will come in for very cheap and give Munroe the Commonwealth title. I've seen Frank Maloney post a few times on forums recently(after the Dunne fight) that they had a plan in place and are going to stick to it.

    Now considering Maloney thought Dunne would be destroyed and it would be his last fight, aswell as saying we'll fight for a World title when we're ready to win one(having turned down the Cordoba fight) then Maloney really didn't have intentions of facing the winner.

    I really do suspect he's going to try and get Munroe to win the Commonwealth and British titles while defending his European and become a mandatory for one of the belts. When that happens he can cash in with 40% of the purse for a World title fight(as mandatory) and he'll have made a nice sum with Munroe defending his belts and slowly building a fanbase in the meantime.

    I really am afraid now(after seeing this opponent) that Dunne v Munroe isn't going to happen.


    Edit: to clear some things up aswell, you do not have to vacate the European title when fighting for or defending the Commonwealth or any other national title(eg British, Irish, Italian).

    You do need to have fought an 8th rounder to fight for the Irish title but you do not need to have fought 8 fights. Eugene Heagney fought for the Irish Bantamweight title in his 7th fight against Colin Moffett. He had fought Moffett in his previous fight, an 8th rounder, his first 8th rounder and needed to do that to be able to fight for the title. Although he won on points the first time in a close one Heagney lost the rematch being stopped in the 6th.

    Robert Murray fought for the Irish Light-Welterweight title in his 6th fight, his previous fight was an 8th rounder against Ceri Hall. Murray beat Peter McDonagh on points to win the title back in 2005 on the night Bernard Dunne hung on against Yuri Vorinin to claim the biggest win of his career at that point.


    I thought Paul Douglas didn't have many fights under his belt when he challenged Kevin McBride for it and upon looking it up he only had 3(1-1-1) back in 1997 but the most he had fought was 4 rounds so the rules must have been different back then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭adamburke83


    :confused: I taught this topic was about Munroe fighting a BUM but like 90% of topics on this site lead to Bernard Dunne and how much sunshine shine out of his *ole,
    Dont get me wrong Bernard done great in winning and done himself and his country proud by winning the WBA title but he aint the be all and end all of boxing :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭mark renton


    :confused: I taught this topic was about Munroe fighting a BUM but like 90% of topics on this site lead to Bernard Dunne and how much sunshine shine out of his *ole,
    Dont get me wrong Bernard done great in winning and done himself and his country proud by winning the WBA title but he aint the be all and end all of boxing :confused:

    Very good - First complain about this thread being off topic then add your own 2c, which has even less to do with the topic, at least the latest posts started with Munroe fighting a bum and evolved :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    walshb wrote: »
    This post below was the very first post I wrote after Dunne won:


    Well, now I can appreciate Bernard. Now, he has shown me that he has
    real character and deserves his win and place as a genuine super bantam
    on the world scene. A real tough fight and Bernard showed real class and character and guts to stick i there and eek out the win:

    Few points on the actual fight:

    Every rd I was edgy for Dunne; Cordoba was constantly threatening and landing the more shots. Dunne stuck it out and in the end it was
    stamina that did Cordoba in, as Bernard himself said. The final shot was a peach and even had it NOT landed, Cordoba was Dunne for.

    Dunne shipped a lot of punishment and this time he showed he could hang in and really survive. He was in bad trouble in rd 5.

    One other thing I noticed was that Dunne was still a little cocky and was busy
    admiring his work instead of capitalising on it. He could have done even more damage had he been ultra focused.

    So, I want Dunne to avenge that Kiko loss. That will be the crowning
    moment for him. He only has harder fights from
    here on in. Maybe one voluntary and then it's
    back to a top ten man.

    Bernard will be a better man and fighter from this win


    Now, although it was Dunne's best performance, it still showed clear signs of possible troubles when faced with heavier hitting men. So, how you can say
    my opinions have changed, well, is a little off the wall to be honest.

    So, just for you, though I am probably wasting my time here, Dunne did show great improvement and did look stronger and tougher and did show
    a better defense, however, if this will be enough for the heavier hitting men
    is still up for debate!

    And nothing to do with paranoia at all. I couldn't care less whether you
    disagree. We all disagree from time to time, I am simply perplexed at
    your continual stalking and petty little comments towards me.
    It's funny really! Has to be the ban!

    This is my thread and it was hijacked with Dunne Kiko etc. The last time posters trawled back through thread it was pretty embarrassing for you - I don't intend to do that.

    stalking :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Fellas, calm down, I have zero beef with a thread straying slightly.
    That's natural and really, this thread involves Munroe and Bernard and any other 122 lb fighter. From time to time it may deviate, embrace it fellas; it is after all, all boxing and all relative.

    Back to business, I think we all have agreed that the man facing Rendall is
    a bum.

    Is there a point to the thread after this or can it be
    closed? Because, if we all agree and some are not happy
    with the deviation of the thread, then it has little left to offer!

    Well, TKO, as the starter of the thread you now are annoyed that
    it slightly went off topic, so I'll close it then.

    You want it reopened, PM me and request it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    While I don't mind topics going slightly of course, this one had barely mentioned Munroe and even less his opponent in the last page or so and as such was way of course.

    Rather than closing it I think it's just better to delete off topic comments so this discussion can stay. If anyone wants comments that they made brought back, I'll do so and move them to a relevant thread(because they obviously don't fit in here).

    No need to close the thread though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Big, his opponnet is an unknown, nobody knows much apart from the fact that
    he is a bum. Case closed, or thread closed. You are right, leave open for general and relevant discussion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,450 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Its clear that the Monroe's camp are not very confident in their man. Otherwise they would be stepping up instead of taking this fight. Its clear that a Bernard Dunne/Wendell Monroe fight is the big money spinner if it happens but this fight is going to do nothing to improve Monroe or his chances.

    The fight offers nothing for Monroe other than a title which is not really important as he already has the European belt. Monroe has nothing to gain and all to lose here. He has to look extremely impressive just to maintain his current ranking, if he doesn't look impressive he will drop down the rankings and if he somehow managed to lose it(which I can't see happening) then he is gone with no way back imo.
    Its stupid fights like this that make you question a promoter's intentions. Its clear now that Maloney wants to milk his cash cow for as long as possible rather than risk a big fight and one big payday.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭ShaunD


    Big Ears wrote: »
    While I don't mind topics going slightly of course, this one had barely mentioned Munroe and even less his opponent in the last page or so and as such was way of course.

    Rather than closing it I think it's just better to delete off topic comments so this discussion can stay. If anyone wants comments that they made brought back, I'll do so and move them to a relevant thread(because they obviously don't fit in here).

    No need to close the thread though.

    Given the fact that nobody would be even discussing Rendall Munroe if it were not for the fact that he has practically made a name for himself by beating Kiko Martinez, who beat Dunne, and nobody on here would give a rats ass how bad his opponent was if he and Maloney were not calling out Dunne, I think all comments made are relevent to the thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    ShaunD wrote: »
    Given the fact that nobody would be even discussing Rendall Munroe if it were not for the fact that he has practically made a name for himself by beating Kiko Martinez, who beat Dunne, and nobody on here would give a rats ass how bad his opponent was if he and Maloney were not calling out Dunne, I think all comments made are relevent to the thread.

    So comments made about the Bernard Dunne v Kiko Martinez and Dunne v Cordoba fight within even mentioning Rendall Munroe or his opponent once in their posts are relevant ?........please enlighten me how this is.

    I've left any comments that talked about Munroe to some degree, the rest belong in a Bernard Dunne thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭ShaunD


    Big Ears wrote: »
    So comments made about the Bernard Dunne v Kiko Martinez and Dunne v Cordoba fight within even mentioning Rendall Munroe or his opponent once in their posts are relevant ?........please enlighten me how this is.

    I've left any comments that talked about Munroe to some degree, the rest belong in a Bernard Dunne thread.

    Because as I stated, the only reason most people on here are discussing Munroe V Nettey is because of the whole Dunne/Munroe/Kiko deal, and when discussing that it is hard not to bring Cordoba into the discussion as Dunne just fought him, Munroe was offered the shot, was at the fight, made derogatory comments about Dunne after the fight, etc, etc.,

    The reason this woeful opponent is such a topic of interest is because of the hypocrisy of Maloney and Munroe, stating that they are confident of a Munroe win should the fight happen and then to pick Nettey as Munroe's opposition.

    It's all relative. It is a natural progression really, don't you think?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    ShaunD wrote: »
    Because as I stated, the only reason most people on here are discussing Munroe V Nettey is because of the whole Dunne/Munroe/Kiko deal, and when discussing that it is hard not to bring Cordoba into the discussion as Dunne just fought him, Munroe was offered the shot, was at the fight, made derogatory comments about Dunne after the fight, etc, etc.,

    The reason this woeful opponent is such a topic of interest is because of the hypocrisy of Maloney and Munroe, stating that they are confident of a Munroe win should the fight happen and then to pick Nettey as Munroe's opposition.


    It's all relative. It is a natural progression really, don't you think?

    I agree, so why could'nt the people in the posts I deleted actually mention a Munroe v Dunne fight or Munroe at all even briefly ?

    That would of made them relevant, but instead the posts didn't mention either fighter this thread is about at all and hence was off topic.

    I mean if I started making posts about Derry Matthews fight with Matthew Marsh and people debeated that in detail with me and none of us were talking about Munroe or Nettey, would that be on topic ?

    Ironically this is taking the thread more off course, but we can sort that later.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭ShaunD


    Big Ears wrote: »
    I agree, so why could'nt the people in the posts I deleted actually mention a Munroe v Dunne fight or Munroe at all even briefly ?

    That would of made them relevant, but instead the posts didn't mention either fighter this thread is about at all and hence was off topic.

    I mean if I started making posts about Derry Matthews fight with Matthew Marsh and people debeated that in detail with me and none of us were talking about Munroe or Nettey, would that be on topic ?


    Ironically this is taking the thread more off course, but we can sort that later.

    Fair enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭joepenguin


    I think we are all a little soft on Munroe lads. He beat Kiko twice, fair play, cant take that away from him. So far he has defended his title against real soft opposition and now this? I'm actually a fan of him in that I like his whole gimmick and he's a decent boxer.

    But so far he has been all talk and no action. First he (when i say he I mean him and / or maloney) wont fight Dunne in dublin and one month later comes over and defends his title againt Trotta.

    Then he turns down a shot at Cordoba, thats fair enough, maybe he wasnt ready for the shot, but then he goes and watches Dunne-Cordoba ands says he could take them both???

    Then he goes and faces this netty guy? Bernard Dunne would be given a one way ticket out of the country if he fought this guy.
    Munore probably doesnt have much in the way of easy oppostiton left for the ebu, guys like Monisphur, Maludrottu etc will be knocking on his door. Having the commonwealth title keeps a belt around his waist should he choose not to defend against these guys while holding on for a world title shot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭mark renton


    On first viewing this fight looks like a waste of time and I think it probably is just that, passing time.

    I may be adding 3 and 3 and getting 8 here but it may not be a coincidence that Bernard wont be ready to fight again (prob August / Sept or even later) until the scars heal, and Munroes fight in 4 weeks would be perfect timing for him to be ready to fight Bernard upon return.

    I personally dont like Maloney but people in his position dont do stupid things (not often anyway), this to me seems like a calculated option and maybe this Dunne v Munroe matchup is looking on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    John, exactly my sentiments. I can't see all the fuss with this. Okay, he is fighting a bum, so what. His intentions are hardly to fight a bum, another bum, another bum, another bum and retire. Dunne and him may NEVER fight and if they do, it probably will not be until late this year or early nexy year.

    Munroe and camp know that the top men are out of their league and the only way to earn a 'world title' is to go after Dunne.

    They can't beat Lopez or Cab or Vasquez, should Vasquez regain his title.

    Dunne is their only winnable option in all of this and that is why they are
    probably gonna' take 1 or two dud warm ups before Dunne; why risk a loss
    to a quality fighter?

    A fight between Dunne and Munroe will be hard to call.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭joepenguin


    walshb wrote: »
    J Okay, he is fighting a bum, so what. .


    Dunne is their only winnable option in all of this and that is why they are
    probably gonna' take 1 or two dud warm ups before Dunne; why risk a loss
    to a quality fighter?

    he's fighting a guy with a 3-2 record thats what. To be honest it doesnt bother me one way or the other, he's taking an easy fight and getting the commonwealth belt in the process, fair dues to him.

    When Dunne was biding his time after Kiko, at least he fought guys with winning records, guys who did fight at the absolute pinnacle of the sport.
    Machado was a world champ 2 weights down, Marchiano and Faccio both stepped into the ring with the best bantams in the world.
    These guys were better opposition than Munroes challengers for the ebu and levels and levels above this Netty guy.

    I got fed up seeing Dunne fight bantams too but at least he had Garcia lined up as an opponent till he pulled out. so even Dunnes late replacements are better than Munores challengers.

    What would be said if Dunne left his world title at home and fought Netty? or any other fighter with a 3-2 record?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    joe, I don't know what you are looking for. We all agree he's a bum, and me, like you, doesn't really care.

    If Dunne was fighting this guy, YES, he too would be ridiculed.

    I didn't rate those three men Dunne fought after Kiko. I didn't rate them at
    all. Were they worse than Netty? It doesn't seem so, but they were hardly great or close to great and all were not even true 122 lb
    fighters.

    Bottom line is that Munroe is biding his time and will get
    in one or two spars in between him, and hopefully, Dunne.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    Lads let Munroe fight who ever he wants - it just means he's in for a shock when he steps up - personally I do not hold that much merit in the two wins over Kiko - lets be honest he is an awful boxer.

    Consider this - if Munroe was the champion before Dunne and Kiko blasted Munroe out in a round I think the fight with Dunne would have been completely different


    Punchers chance is all he has.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭joepenguin


    walshb wrote: »
    I didn't rate those three men Dunne fought after Kiko. I didn't rate them at
    all. Were they worse than Netty? It doesn't seem so,

    .


    They are way better than Netty, and much higher. Even Faccio, Marchiano and Machado would be ridiculed for fighting Netty.

    Dunne got more stick for fighting them than Munroe gets for fighting this guy, thats basically the point im making.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    joepenguin wrote: »
    They are way better than Netty, and much higher. Even Faccio, Marchiano and Machado would be ridiculed for fighting Netty.

    Dunne got more stick for fighting them than Munroe gets for fighting this guy, thats basically the point im making.

    Of course, Dunne is Irish, the Irish aren't all that
    bothered about what some English fighter does. We are
    going to discuss Bernard ten times more than Munroe, hence, Bernard
    will receive ten times more praise or stick.


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