Denman Totesport Bowl

RichieLawlor

Sam Thomas keeps the ride, good move imo, gets a better tune out of the horse than Ruby. Apart from the RSAC last year Denman has never been that impressive with Ruby in the plate

mdwexford

No he doesnt, Ruby is a better jockey, its that simple.

RichieLawlor

mdwexford wrote: »

No he doesnt, Ruby is a better jockey, its that simple.

Rubys style of riding doesnt suit Denman, id rather have Sam riding him if im backing

mdwexford

You have no clue what you are talking about, Rubys "style of riding" suits every horse. He is the complete jockey. If you'd rather have a worse jockey on board thats your perogative but it says a lot about you imo.

RichieLawlor

mdwexford wrote: »

You have no clue what you are talking about, Rubys "style of riding" suits every horse. He is the complete jockey. If you'd rather have a worse jockey on board thats your perogative but it says a lot about you imo.

Ruby is not known for his front running rides, your just one of these "ruby is my
hero and hes the best" bandwagon jumpers, you have very little opinion really, just that its ruby so he must be the best cause everyone says so

Sam is better on Denman as would a few jockeys be better to ride the horse than RW

Whyno

Get a room you guys....lol


Sam thomas keeps the ride cos ruby is a poxbag

I reckon ruby can ride any horse FACT and win on them...Dont like him though
Surely if Sam thomas rides denman the bookies will have him at bigger odds than when ruby would ride....Thats wha i reckon is the theory to Harry Findlays thinking...
What price is denman anyway...Nicholls gave him as the pigeon catcher at the weekend

mdwexford

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Ruby is not known for his front running rides, your just one of these "ruby is my
hero and hes the best" bandwagon jumpers, you have very little opinion really, just that its ruby so he must be the best cause everyone says so

Sam is better on Denman as would a few jockeys be better to ride the horse than RW

Ruby rides any horse the way it needs to be ridden. The fact is not many good horses are front runners, its generally harder to win from the front. How many Paul Nicholls and Willie Mullins horses are front runners.

What about Rubys ride on Brave Inca at Christmas, he rode him fine.
Are you saying he doesnt have a clock in his head and goes off too fast or goes to slow or what exactly are you trying to say. Have you any facts to back this up please.

People say Ruby is the best because he is, possibly of all time.

Why is Sam better on Denman, because he won the Hennesy and the Gold Cup on him, are you saying Ruby would have hindered the horse so much he would have been beaten in those 2 races??

Either make some sense or come up with something to back up your frankly embarrasing statements.

NewApproach

Few points, firstly to suggest Sam Thomas is up so Findlay can get a better price is absolutely ridiculous.

Secondly, while I agree Ruby is a better overall jockey than Sam Thomas (no doubt about it), I do feel Ruby rides a hold up horse best. Sam has done nothing wrong on Denman and I do not see it as a negative whatsoever that Sam Thomas is up instead of Ruby. I also have a feeling Ruby doesn't ride the Mildmay course as well as a number of other jockeys, he has given a number of poor rides around the course in the last number of years in my opinion.

Saying all that, I feel Denman is a ridiculously short price for this race. This is a horse who needs to be in a rythym, galloping from fence to fence. Aintree doesn't allow for this imo. It is too much of a speed test to suit Denman's running style. However, the level of opposition to him is average at best, and he is the most likely winner, but I certainly wont be getting involved at 8/13 or whatever price he is.

Colonel Sanders

Ruby picked Kauto ahead of Denman in the last 2 Gold Cups leaving Sam Thomas to ride Denman. Sam Thomas did absolutely nothing wrong on the horse so maybe its just a case of Harry showing him a bit of loyalty.

Morgans

I always had Ruby as the best jockey of his generation but I have seen more poor rides from him this season than in the previous five put together. Not all of his bad rides lose - benefit of being on more favourites than most I suppose. Mikhael D'Hageneut a poor ride at Cheltenham for instance. There have been several horses that have jumped better for Paul Townend than Ruby this season. (kempes and ballytrim two that spring to mind) He is still better than Thomas, but it was interesting to see Paul Townend and Patrick Mullins get the rides on Hurricane Fly and Cousin Vinny ahead of Ruby in the Deloitte. Its not just punters on internet forums who are beginning to question if Ruby is the right man for the horse. Clearly, still one of the best out there just not as clearcut as it was before.

Whyno

NewApproach wrote: »

Few points, firstly to suggest Sam Thomas is up so Findlay can get a better price is absolutely ridiculous.

Secondly, while I agree Ruby is a better overall jockey than Sam Thomas (no doubt about it), I do feel Ruby rides a hold up horse best. Sam has done nothing wrong on Denman and I do not see it as a negative whatsoever that Sam Thomas is up instead of Ruby. I also have a feeling Ruby doesn't ride the Mildmay course as well as a number of other jockeys, he has given a number of poor rides around the course in the last number of years in my opinion.

Saying all that, I feel Denman is a ridiculously short price for this race. This is a horse who needs to be in a rythym, galloping from fence to fence. Aintree doesn't allow for this imo. It is too much of a speed test to suit Denman's running style. However, the level of opposition to him is average at best, and he is the most likely winner, but I certainly wont be getting involved at 8/13 or whatever price he is.

Far from ridiculous man, no dodgier genius than harry findlay to pull a stroke like that. But maybe himself and barber are still mad at ruby fo not riding denman in last years GC.Who knows.
8/13 denman is an absolute steal... He should be 1/4....The only danger to him is whether he decides he wants to jump the national fences inside of the standard ones.:D
As for Ruby not riding the mildmay as well as some other jockeys is absolue bulls**t.The man is a genius FFS. He is a legend on any course in this country or in GB.FACT

NewApproach

Whyno wrote: »

Far from ridiculous man, no dodgier genius than harry findlay to pull a stroke like that. But maybe himself and barber are still mad at ruby fo not riding denman in last years GC.Who knows.
8/13 denman is an absolute steal... He should be 1/4....The only danger to him is whether he decides he wants to jump the national fences inside of the standard ones.:D
As for Ruby not riding the mildmay as well as some other jockeys is absolue bulls**t.The man is a genius FFS. He is a legend on any course in this country or in GB.FACT

That bandwagon must be getting pretty crowded;)

mdwexford

NewApproach wrote: »

That bandwagon must be getting pretty crowded;)

Cmon now, at least i made some reasonable points, i dont want to be lumped in with Whyno, no offense.....:pac:

Also Exotic Dancer is a huge danger, Denman is not a bet at 8/13 imo.

RichieLawlor

mdwexford wrote: »

Cmon now, at least i made some reasonable points, i dont want to be lumped in with Whyno, no offense.....:pac:

Also Exotic Dancer is a huge danger, Denman is not a bet at 8/13 imo.

Where do you come up with this stuff. A not fully fit Denman, ridden with restraint held up which doesn't play to his strenghts beat exotic dancer out of sight.

That run has apparently brought him on hugely, not that he needed to to hold ED, but I'm sure you can produce some evidence of form to give ED a big chance:rolleyes:. The ground will not be an issue, travelled really well on a sound surface at the festival.

Basically Denman IS value at 8/13 and if you can't see that it says a lot about you imo

I await your childish and pointless retort claiming I don't know what I'm on about and ED Lexis run is the best form or his run in this race 2 years ago gives him a chance. Or maybe you can up with done other illogical reason to oppose Denman. The fact is Denman is the best horse with the best form and should be shorter than 8/13. That's value in my book

corny

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Ruby picked Kauto ahead of Denman in the last 2 Gold Cups leaving Sam Thomas to ride Denman. Sam Thomas did absolutely nothing wrong on the horse so maybe its just a case of Harry showing him a bit of loyalty.

Thats it in a nutshell.

To be honest i don't think Denman takes any riding when on top form. Point him at the fences and let him do the rest. He's not a complicated ride, I'd win on him ffs! The difference between Thomas and Ruby on the horse would be very marginal indeed.

8/13 isn't value either. Exotic Dancer has a decent chance.

trevo

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Ruby is not known for his front running rides, your just one of these "ruby is my
hero and hes the best" bandwagon jumpers, you have very little opinion really, just that its ruby so he must be the best cause everyone says so

Sam is better on Denman as would a few jockeys be better to ride the horse than RW

ye ruby rides every horse from the front!!!! are you for real or have you ever watched him ride.....he's the master of getting a horse cover or holding a horse up and most inportant doing what the trainer wants........

example is his winning ride in the world hurdle....and the french jockey parked the fav 10 WIDE for over a mile and ruby just sat their laughing

Morgans

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Where do you come up with this stuff. A not fully fit Denman, ridden with restraint held up which doesn't play to his strenghts beat exotic dancer out of sight.

That run has apparently brought him on hugely, not that he needed to to hold ED, but I'm sure you can produce some evidence of form to give ED a big chance:rolleyes:. The ground will not be an issue, travelled really well on a sound surface at the festival.

Basically Denman IS value at 8/13 and if you can't see that it says a lot about you imo

I await your childish and pointless retort claiming I don't know what I'm on about and ED Lexis run is the best form or his run in this race 2 years ago gives him a chance. Or maybe you can up with done other illogical reason to oppose Denman. The fact is Denman is the best horse with the best form and should be shorter than 8/13. That's value in my book

I dont think Denman is great value at 8/13. He is about right. I wouldnt be laying at 4/5, and he is more likely to win than lose, but Exotic Dancer has sound claims, and an each way bet may be a more rewarding option. The trip is shorter than at Chelt, he is in very good form, and proven around the sharp course would be three reasons why he could scalp Denman if Denman is more Kempton than Cheltenham. Why would he be? On quick ground on a sharp course over his minimum effective distance three weeks after what looked a brutally hard race for the horse. Enough reasons not to go wading in for me. I hope he wins as he is the top class horse in the race but not one for the mortgage for me. As for Sam Thomas riding, Ruby has pinned his colours to the mast of a horse that won him 2 gold cup. Its hardly a slight.

RichieLawlor

trevo wrote: »

ye ruby rides every horse from the front!!!! are you for real or have you ever watched him ride.....he's the master of getting a horse cover or holding a horse up and most inportant doing what the trainer wants........

example is his winning ride in the world hurdle....and the french jockey parked the fav 10 WIDE for over a mile and ruby just sat their laughing

I think u have misread my post or is it your understanding that's lacking, Denman needs to be ridden more prominetly, not held up which is why ST suits the horse better.

Denman does not need cover, Denman does not need to be held up and delivered late.

How does his ride on Big Bucks prove he is better suited to Denman than Sam.

What has Christophe Pieux's ride on Kasbah Bliss got to do with anything.

trevo

RichieLawlor wrote: »

I think u have misread my post or is it your understanding that's lacking, Denman needs to be ridden more prominetly, not held up which is why ST suits the horse better.

Denman does not need cover, Denman does not need to be held up and delivered late.

How does his ride on Big Bucks prove he is better suited to Denman than Sam.

What has Christophe Pieux's ride on Kasbah Bliss got to do with anything.

because ruby can do it all...cover a horse up but them to sleep or like star just play them handy...to say st is better suited is so not true....sam cant do half of what ruby can...and most of the time its what the trainer wants....if st was better then ruby then he would of had 7 winners at the festival....myself i would have none of them!!!

trevo

RichieLawlor wrote: »

I think u have misread my post or is it your understanding that's lacking, Denman needs to be ridden more prominetly, not held up which is why ST suits the horse better.

Denman does not need cover, Denman does not need to be held up and delivered late.

How does his ride on Big Bucks prove he is better suited to Denman than Sam.

What has Christophe Pieux's ride on Kasbah Bliss got to do with anything.

and Christophe Pieux's ride shows how good ruby is just like ap's ride on w/L

RichieLawlor

trevo wrote: »

and Christophe Pieux's ride shows how good ruby is just like ap's ride on w/L

There's no doubting Ruby gave Big Bucks a great ride, as AP did on Wichita Lineman, but they were both the best horses in there respective races imo, neither AP nor Ruby would have won on Kasbah Bliss that day, he just wasn't as good as most people, myself included and obviously his jockey thought he was. CP did nor give KB a bad ride, he simply was not the best horse

mdwexford

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Where do you come up with this stuff. A not fully fit Denman, ridden with restraint held up which doesn't play to his strenghts beat exotic dancer out of sight.

That run has apparently brought him on hugely, not that he needed to to hold ED, but I'm sure you can produce some evidence of form to give ED a big chance:rolleyes:. The ground will not be an issue, travelled really well on a sound surface at the festival.

Basically Denman IS value at 8/13 and if you can't see that it says a lot about you imo

I await your childish and pointless retort claiming I don't know what I'm on about and ED Lexis run is the best form or his run in this race 2 years ago gives him a chance. Or maybe you can up with done other illogical reason to oppose Denman. The fact is Denman is the best horse with the best form and should be shorter than 8/13. That's value in my book

Morgans has explained to you pretty well why Exotic Dancer is a sound ew bet vs Denman tomorrow.

You are really so narrow minded as regards racing, no-one is disputing Denman is the best horse with the best form, if the best horse won every time this would be an easy game to make money at. Enjoy getting stuck in at 8/13, lol at it being value.

Morgans

9/10 available on betfair on Denman at the time of posting this.

NewApproach

Morgans wrote: »

I dont think Denman is great value at 8/13. He is about right. I wouldnt be laying at 4/5, and he is more likely to win than lose, but Exotic Dancer has sound claims, and an each way bet may be a more rewarding option. The trip is shorter than at Chelt, he is in very good form, and proven around the sharp course would be three reasons why he could scalp Denman if Denman is more Kempton than Cheltenham. Why would he be? On quick ground on a sharp course over his minimum effective distance three weeks after what looked a brutally hard race for the horse. Enough reasons not to go wading in for me. I hope he wins as he is the top class horse in the race but not one for the mortgage for me. As for Sam Thomas riding, Ruby has pinned his colours to the mast of a horse that won him 2 gold cup. Its hardly a slight.

What he said ^^^^


I agree with everything you've said here.

NewApproach

Morgans wrote: »

9/10 available on betfair on Denman at the time of posting this.

1.8 1.81 now...

1.9 was big, even as a back to lay

trevo

RichieLawlor wrote: »

There's no doubting Ruby gave Big Bucks a great ride, as AP did on Wichita Lineman, but they were both the best horses in there respective races imo, neither AP nor Ruby would have won on Kasbah Bliss that day, he just wasn't as good as most people, myself included and obviously his jockey thought he was. CP did nor give KB a bad ride, he simply was not the best horse

yes i think kb would of won if he was ridden by either ap or ruby.... parked 10 wide for long and again been a hold up horse which he is....

RichieLawlor

mdwexford wrote: »

Morgans has explained to you pretty well why Exotic Dancer is a sound ew bet vs Denman tomorrow.

You are really so narrow minded as regards racing, no-one is disputing Denman is the best horse with the best form, if the best horse won every time this would be an easy game to make money at. Enjoy getting stuck in at 8/13, lol at it being value.

Yes Morgans explained that exotic dancer has sound claims, I fail to see how if u claim Denman is bad value what entitles ED to be so short, was it his beating of War of Attrition in the Lexus, his beating of Neptune C in the fold cup, or his defeat by snoopy loopy that leads you to this conclusion.

Awaiting another childish retort.

RichieLawlor

trevo wrote: »

yes i think kb would of won if he was ridden by either ap or ruby.... parked 10 wide for long and again been a hold up horse which he is....

I was KB biggest fan that day but Ruby AP and Christophe Pieux together couldn't have ridden him to beat Big Bucks that day, best horse by a mile

trevo

RichieLawlor wrote: »

I was KB biggest fan that day but Ruby AP and Christophe Pieux together couldn't have ridden him to beat Big Bucks that day, best horse by a mile

no he would of.........................................

NewApproach

trevo wrote: »

no he would of.........................................

Are you genuinely trying to tell me that Kasbah was beaten 21 lengths solely because of his jockey, and possibly not the fact he didnt get home in a truly run World hurdle????

:rolleyes:

I wonder how many FAVS AP and Ruby will ride this weekend

RichieLawlor

trevo wrote: »

no he would of.........................................

Ok let me explain it to you, the best horse in the race which he wasn't couldn't be beaten 30 lengths simply because of jockey error, maybe if he was beaten a length u could say this, he was even beaten by powerstation who has no pretentions to be top class

mdwexford

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Yes Morgans explained that exotic dancer has sound claims, I fail to see how if u claim Denman is bad value what entitles ED to be so short, was it his beating of War of Attrition in the Lexus, his beating of Neptune C in the fold cup, or his defeat by snoopy loopy that leads you to this conclusion.

Awaiting another childish retort.

Ive no idea what point you are trying to make here.
Also just because you seem to have learned the phrase "chilidsh retort" doesnt mean you use it every post.

trevo wrote: »

no he would of.........................................

He would not have won no matter who was on him, you seriously know nothing if you think AP or Ruby would have won on KB.

trevo

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Ok let me explain it to you, the best horse in the race which he wasn't couldn't be beaten 30 lengths simply because of jockey error, maybe if he was beaten a length u could say this, he was even beaten by powerstation who has no pretentions to be top class

explain what??? that he parked a hold up horse 6 wide for 9 forlongs on the front after going that pace....listen go back and look at all his race's and tell me then this was the same way he was ridden.... so the jockey was at fault clearly......

mdwexford

It was a bad ride sure,

Would Ruby have got him closer than 20 lengths? most definitely.

Could he have won on him? are you insane.

NewApproach

I suppose Ruby or AP have never given a horse a bad ride before no trevo?

RichieLawlor

I think christophe pieux knew from early on he hadn't as much horse under him as he though hence why he had him closer earlier, can't blame the jockey, KB wasn't good enough

trevo

listen u ride a horse 1 way all year which is perfect rite and you continue to win!!! then on the big stage you just decide to ride the horse at the pace which was fast that day and think you'll get the same results coming up that hill....are you for real come on....even weeks leading up to the race the only issue or talk was about the jockey...their was a lot of class in the race better then the last few runnings but he deffo would of been a hell lot closer....

trevo

RichieLawlor wrote: »

I think christophe pieux knew from early on he hadn't as much horse under him as he though hence why he had him closer earlier, can't blame the jockey, KB wasn't good enough

omg so you have less horse under you so you kick him to the front only to be parked 6 wide for 9 forlongs and then expects to find some thing going up the hill....makes sence alrite...

NewApproach

trevo wrote: »

listen u ride a horse 1 way all year which is perfect rite and you continue to win!!! then on the big stage you just decide to ride the horse at the pace which was fast that day and think you'll get the same results coming up that hill....are you for real come on....even weeks leading up to the race the only issue or talk was about the jockey...their was a lot of class in the race better then the last few runnings but he deffo would of been a hell lot closer....

Em, he had one race that year, against nothing like the calibre of horse he faced at Cheltenham, on a flat track which clearly suited the horse much better than Cheltenham. So to say he continued to win is a bit daft.

Whatsmore, from the top of my head he was ridden similarly at Haydock as he was at Cheltenham, held up and making up ground from around 6 out... Correct me if Im wrong though!

Whyno

It is a known fact that in the pre race interview with Pieux and later doumen that KB wasnt travellin and never felt right under d jockey.
On that day even if i parked KB in the back of me jeep and drove him round in the horse box he wouldnt have been any nearer to the 1st or 2nd.

As for the denman discussion i think its time to let him silence the doubters. I still reckon 8/13 is value for him if we`re to believe hes back to his best as Nicholls stated last sat because if he is he`d carry Exotic D on his back the whole way round. Aintree is a speed track but this race will be ran at speed from the start because Denman will go from the front tommoro and he`ll run the sting out of everythin behind him. It wont be a dawdle from the start because i can see denman win it that way.

Anyway what yas reckon bout D first race....Big Bucks ye or ne

mdwexford

Denman 10/11 in Paddy Powers right now btw, the price is starting to interest me a bit now.

Big Bucks cannot be beaten unless he is wayyy over the top in which case he eouldnt be running.

Starluck also looks a cracking bet now hes back on a flat track.

Whyno

I think starluck is a good thing tommoro...travelled like the best horse in the triumpt only stamina gave way.Flat track on firm ground and they wont see which way he went.

Big Bucks won the novice chase der last year after missin chel. Nicholls stated he was just keeping him tickin over since his world hurdle triumph.
What price is he tommoro.
If the two sexy williams :eek: win tonight i`ll be lampin on

trevo

NewApproach wrote: »

Em, he had one race that year, against nothing like the calibre of horse he faced at Cheltenham, on a flat track which clearly suited the horse much better than Cheltenham. So to say he continued to win is a bit daft.

Whatsmore, from the top of my head he was ridden similarly at Haydock as he was at Cheltenham, held up and making up ground from around 6 out... Correct me if Im wrong though!

guess i'll correct you so....how did he win his group 1 on ark day in oct??? held up and won well pulling your mans van...and at haydock he was not let go untill the last.yes made ground 5 out but nowere as early as chelt...

anyway i would like too see denman win but the trip slightly shorther and sharper track... but should come on loads for the last run....

countesshouse

Both jockeys have different styles of riding.Anyone have any opinions on 'Our Vic' for an e/w bet- good price and may surprise!!!!!!.
Don't start getting thick with me over the suggestion though, even though i think that Denman has a great chance but price too short for me so i have decided to go for 'Our Vic' e/w
Take a look at a horse called'Sonevafushi' in the 3.45 race
he won a few point to points and also came a good fourth in the same race last year.:rolleyes:

mdwexford

lol at your edit.

countesshouse

What do u mean lol edit explain i am just a new user.

NewApproach

trevo wrote: »

guess i'll correct you so....how did he win his group 1 on ark day in oct??? held up and won well pulling your mans van...and at haydock he was not let go untill the last.yes made ground 5 out but nowere as early as chelt...

anyway i would like too see denman win but the trip slightly shorther and sharper track... but should come on loads for the last run....

Em, if your in the mood for correcting, firstly he didn't run in a race on Arc day, it was the previous day, in the Prix Du Cadran, where he was unplaced. The race your thinking of was a month earlier, in what is basically a trial for the Cadran, where he beat the winner of the aforementioned race...

Anyway, when it comes to championship races at Cheltenham, I wouldn't pay too much attention to flat form.

I suppose before you backed Kasbah for Cheltenham, you ran through your mind the fact he had been beaten on every previous visit to the track, and that his primary target for the year wasn't that race, but a flat race four months away. Plus the fact that we knew all about C Pieux before the race, I find it hard to put blame for his defeat solely at the hands of the jockey.

Colonel Sanders

I've backed Walkon tomorrow at 11/4 to confirm the form with Starluck.

My first thoughts after the triumph was Straluck will win at aintree. However I had a feeling that if Walkon or Zaynar turned up the bookies and punters would go overboard with Starluck based on how he travelled before hitting the rising ground and, IMO, thats is the case. Walkon has only been beaten over hurdles by one horse and eventho he is probably a 2m 4 horse in waiting does not lack speed either. He was 6L ahead of Starluck at Cheltenham yet (albeit on a different track) finds himself 2nd fav.

Obviously wouldn't be the greatest surprise in the world to see Starluck reverse the form but I am just of the opinion that the prices are wrong.

I though the betting would be along the lines of

7/4 Walkon
3/1 Starluck
9/2 or 5/1 Hebridean
maybe 10 0r 12/1 bar

Whyno

pp have it 5/2 each starluck & walkon
3/1 hebridean.Hebs form ammounts to very little but nicholls reckons he has them best hes been since he arrived in d yard.The ground will suit him and well ruby will be swinging der at the second last as will starluck.
If choc thornton gets at walkon early enough in the straight he may out gallop the two speed horses. But ya cant but not be impressed wit the way starluck travelled in the triumph and well fought hard off the bridle and only fully wilted in the last 75 yards against two dour stayers. I cant see him wilting tomorro though.
Itll be a good race no matter what but very tricky ta work out.

mdwexford

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

I've backed Walkon tomorrow at 11/4 to confirm the form with Starluck.

My first thoughts after the triumph was Straluck will win at aintree. However I had a feeling that if Walkon or Zaynar turned up the bookies and punters would go overboard with Starluck based on how he travelled before hitting the rising ground and, IMO, thats is the case. Walkon has only been beaten over hurdles by one horse and eventho he is probably a 2m 4 horse in waiting does not lack speed either. He was 6L ahead of Starluck at Cheltenham yet (albeit on a different track) finds himself 2nd fav.

Obviously wouldn't be the greatest surprise in the world to see Starluck reverse the form but I am just of the opinion that the prices are wrong.

I though the betting would be along the lines of

7/4 Walkon
3/1 Starluck
9/2 or 5/1 Hebridean
maybe 10 0r 12/1 bar

Good post, i agree fully and depending on prices tomorrow i might go either way.

kingshankly

No doubt ruby Is a super jockey but I am not his biggest fan too many times you see him not putting horses into races as for harry Findlay he Is capable of anything I know a lad that punts for him and last week he had 15k on his own horse then I see harry on tv saying he didn't back it . Horse was bet out of sight and I believe Findlay is loosing his socks at the moment .
Nevermind all that now get on denman lads he doesn't need to improve from the gold cup to win this and I'm led to believe he has improved greatly