World Xv

JoeyDoh

Title says it all really,was just wondering what ye lot would think would be the best Rugby XV team.

1.Gethin Jenkins
2.John Smit
3.Carl Haymans
4.Victor Matfield
5.Poc
6.Schalk Burger
7.Richie McCaw
8.Parisse/Heaslip/Harinordoquy
9.Fourie du Preez
10.Dan Carter
11.Sitveni Sivivatu
12.Stirling Mortlock
13.BOD
14.Joe Rokocoko
15.Lee Byrne

Fizman

JoeyDoh wrote: »

Title says it all really,was just wondering what ye lot would think would be the best Rugby XV team.

1.Gethin Jenkins
2.John Smit
3.Carl Haymans
4.Victor Matfield
5.Poc
6.Schalk Burger
7.Richie McCaw
8.Parisse/Heaslip/Harinordoquy
9.Fourie du Preez
10.Dan Carter
11.Sitveni Sivivatu
12.Stirling Mortlock
13.BOD
14.Joe Rokocoko
15.Lee Byrne

Ah here! Heaslip? I know he had a great tournament but jaysus lets not get carried away!

And no Habana or Hernandez??? :eek: Put them in for Sivivatu and Byrne.

I'll come back and post my 15 soonish, but i'd disagree with your front row. Well actually Haymans can stay. John Smit was behind Ledesma for a reason. Not as good.

JoeyDoh

I honestly think Bryan Habana is the most over rated player today,far far too overhyped and Hernandez = Byrne Imo:P

thomond2006

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9 Mauro Bergamasco
10 Charlie Hodgson
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15 Iain Balshaw


Help me out boyz. :D

Edit: Hodgson, Chabal added

barnesd

thomond2006 wrote: »

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15 Iain Balshaw


Help me out boyz. :D

Ian Dowling at 11.

Stev_o

Fizman wrote: »

Ah here! Heaslip? I know he had a great tournament but jaysus lets not get carried away!

And no Habana or Hernandez??? :eek: Put them in for Sivivatu and Byrne.

I'll come back and post my 15 soonish, but i'd disagree with your front row. Well actually Haymans can stay. John Smit was behind Ledesma for a reason. Not as good.

He's scored 7 tries (6 if you want to be picky but it's actually 7) in two games, now thats world class. Habanna is a one trick pony and Hernandez has spent most of this season doing his up's and down's with Stade at OH. Would agree with you about Smith, personally i think he is rubbish player but brilliant captain.

twinytwo

Fizman wrote: »

Ah here! Heaslip? I know he had a great tournament but jaysus lets not get carried away!

And no Habana or Hernandez??? :eek: Put them in for Sivivatu and Byrne.

I'll come back and post my 15 soonish, but i'd disagree with your front row. Well actually Haymans can stay. John Smit was behind Ledesma for a reason. Not as good.

Seriously habana is over rated can run in a straight line thats about it... Big Joe and Shane Williams are miles ahead of him.... As for hernandez ..meh.. kinda died off after the WC

corny

JoeyDoh wrote: »

Title says it all really,was just wondering what ye lot would think would be the best Rugby XV team.

1.Gethin Jenkins
2.John Smit
3.Carl Haymans
4.Victor Matfield
5.Poc
6.Schalk Burger
7.Richie McCaw
8.Parisse/Heaslip/Harinordoquy
9.Fourie du Preez
10.Dan Carter
11.Sitveni Sivivatu
12.Stirling Mortlock
13.BOD
14.Joe Rokocoko
15.Lee Byrne

None of the Springbok No.8's?

I'd have Jean De Villiers in there too.

JoeyDoh

DeVilliers? and replace him with who?

Also people start posting their own variants if possible please:P

chupacabra

JoeyDoh wrote: »

Title says it all really,was just wondering what ye lot would think would be the best Rugby XV team.

1.Guthro Steenkamp
2.John Smit
3.Carl Haymans
4.Victor Matfield
5.Poc
6.Schalk Burger
7.Richie McCaw
8.Pierre Spies
9.Ricky Januarie
10.Matt Giteu
11.Loti Tuqiri
12.Jean De Villiers
13.BOD
14.Joe Rokocoko
15.Not Lee Byrne

Also throw Hodgeson into the "worst world XV"

thomond2006

chupacabra wrote: »

Also throw Hodgeson into the "worst world XV"

Done and I'll throw in " l'homme de cavarne" for good measure.

Any other suggestions???, sorry for going off topic OP.

anonymous_joe

twinytwo wrote: »

Seriously habana is over rated can run in a straight line thats about it... Big Joe and Shane Williams are miles ahead of him.... As for hernandez ..meh.. kinda died off after the WC

I've said the same thing before, but what a straight line!

pucan

Fizman wrote: »

Ah here! Heaslip? I know he had a great tournament but jaysus lets not get carried away!

And no Habana or Hernandez??? :eek: Put them in for Sivivatu and Byrne.

Agree about Heaslip.
But as the guys have said, Habana is all about an overlap and afterburner. Sivivatu can go through a defense and create something from nothing.

Most of these 15's are not being picked on form are they?

corny

JoeyDoh wrote: »

DeVilliers? and replace him with who?

Also people start posting their own variants if possible please:P

Instead of Mortlock.

Amabokke

JoeyDoh wrote: »

Title says it all really,was just wondering what ye lot would think would be the best Rugby XV team.

1.Gethin Jenkins
2.John Smit
3.Carl Haymans
4.Victor Matfield
5.Poc
6.Schalk Burger
7.Richie McCaw
8.Parisse/Heaslip/Harinordoquy
9.Fourie du Preez
10.Dan Carter
11.Sitveni Sivivatu
12.Stirling Mortlock
13.BOD
14.Joe Rokocoko
15.Lee Byrne

Look no further than southern hemisphere players....but not too be biased I'll be generous with BOD, Byrne and O'Connell

1.BJ Botha
2.John Smit
3.Carl Haymans
4.Victor Matfield
5. Paul O'Connell
6.Schalk Burger
7.Richie McCaw
8.Pierre Spies
9.Fourie du Preez
10.Dan Carter
11.Sitveni Sivivatu
12.Jean de Villiers
13.BOD
14.Joe Rokocoko
15.Lee Byrne

gearstick

JoeyDoh wrote: »

15.Lee Byrne

why is everyone putting Lee Byrne in their team, i know he's good but best in the world? i'd have Muliaina ahead of him to start with

anonymous_joe

1. Botha
2. No idea tbh
3. Van Der Linde
4. Botha
5. Matfield
6. Rocky!
7. McBurgerCaw
8. KankSpiesowski
9. Du Freez
10. Din Carter
11. Sivivatu or Williams
12. Giteau
13. BOD
14. Bowe :P (Nah, probably Pietersen or Rockocoko, Caucau if he ever gets his shít together)
15. Hernandez

twinytwo

Amabokke wrote: »

Look no further than southern hemisphere players....but not too be biased I'll be generous with BOD, Byrne and O'Connell

1.BJ Botha
2.John Smit
3.Carl Haymans
4.Victor Matfield
5. Paul O'Connell
6.Schalk Burger
7.Richie McCaw
8.Pierre Spies
9.Fourie du Preez
10.Dan Carter
11.Sitveni Sivivatu
12.Jean de Villiers
13.BOD
14.Joe Rokocoko
15.Lee Byrne

I lol'd... O'Connell is one of the best Sr's in the world even the Sh would be hard pushed to find a player to beat him...As for Bod well i think he speaks for himself

barnesd

What about Muliaina at FB? He was the best FB on show during the AIs anyway. Superb player. Hernandez has been playing at 10 and Byrne didn't have a great 6N.

Amabokke

twinytwo wrote: »

I lol'd... O'Connell is one of the best Sr's in the world even the Sh would be hard pushed to find a player to beat him...As for Bod well i think he speaks for himself

Bakkies Botha
Nathan Sharpe
Ali Williams
Andries Bekker

Amabokke

barnesd wrote: »

What about Muliaina at FB? He was the best FB on show during the AIs anyway. Superb player. Hernandez has been playing at 10 and Byrne didn't have a great 6N.

Playing for the ABs is always a big help and the attacking game the play suits Muliana's style. To me, Lee Byrne in the last two years have become a more complete fullback with great tactical kicking, attacking capabilities, good defence and can also score tries.

krahsrekop

Here is my selection based on the Super 14 so far and the 6 Nations

1.BJ Botha
2.J.Smit
3.C.Haymans
4.V.Matfield
5.Paul O Connell
6.D.Wallace
7.Richie McCaw
8.R.Kankowski
9.F.du Preez
10.Matt Giteau
11.S.Sivivatu
12.M.Nonu
13.Brian O Driscoll
14.Joe Rokocoko
15.M.Muliaina

twinytwo

Amabokke wrote: »

Bakkies Botha
Nathan Sharpe
Ali Williams
Andries Bekker

#

id still put him above any of those

thomond2006

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4. Sebastian Chabal
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9. Mauro Bergamasco
10. Charlie Hodgson
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12. Gavin Henson
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15. Iain Balshaw

That's what I have so far. Any more suggestions?

Will edit if any good candidates are posted. :D:D

Edit: Henson added at IC.

wixfjord

Have any of you guys see the waikato winger masaga playing in the s14 this year. He looks like hel be the next big thing great player with a sidestep that puts shane williams to shame! Even outshining rockokoko to some degree. Watch this space you heard it here first!

soundsham

surely that umpa lumpa coloured man henson playing as centre for wales has to be in the worst team but maybe play him as a full back, just have a hunch he'd be even worse there:cool:

chupacabra

soundsham wrote: »

surely that umpa lumpa coloured man henson playing as centre for wales has to be in the worst team but maybe play him as a full back, just have a hunch he'd be even worse there:cool:

As much as i dislike Henson and laughed at your "umpa lumpa coloured man" comment, there is no doubting he had/has massive talent. He is just getting a bad time of it from injuries, and looks to be out for awhile again.

damselnat

England 2003

thomond2006

chupacabra wrote: »

As much as i dislike Henson and laughed at your "umpa lumpa coloured man" comment, there is no doubting he had/has massive talent. He is just getting a bad time of it from injuries, and looks to be out for awhile again.

Sure you have to add someone to the list but Henson must go at 12, nobody beats good ol' Balshaw at FB. :D:D

P_1

thomond2006 wrote: »

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4. Sebastian Chabal
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9. Mauro Bergamasco
10. Charlie Hodgson
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12. Gavin Henson
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15. Iain Balshaw

That's what I have so far. Any more suggestions?

Will edit if any good candidates are posted. :D:D

Edit: Henson added at IC.

May I suggest Castrogiovanni? He was quite the penalty machine during the 6N?

soundsham

surely that worst team in the world needs a manager!!
on todays display of picking a team Mr. Cheika is a lock for that spot imo:D

chupacabra

soundsham wrote: »

surely that worst team in the world needs a manager!!
on todays display of picking a team Mr. Cheika is a lock for that spot imo:D

Or Lievremont

Stick_man

1.Woodcock
2.Du Plessis
3.Hayman
4.Matfield
5.O Connell
6.Juan Smith
7.McCaw
8.Parisse
9.Du Prieez
10.Giteu
11.Sivivatu
12.De Villers
13.O Driscoll
14.Peitersen
15.Muliaina

chupacabra

Stick_man wrote: »

1.Woodcock
2.Du Plessis
3.Hayman
4.Matfield
5.O Connell
6.Juan Smith
7.McCaw
8.Parisse
9.Du Prieez
10.Giteu
11.Sivivatu
12.De Villers
13.O Driscoll
14.Peitersen
15.Muliaina

Finally someone recognizes du plessis for the great player he is and will become in the future. A better hooker than Smit at the moment, by a mile.

Serenity Now!

twinytwo wrote: »

I lol'd... O'Connell is one of the best Sr's in the world even the Sh would be hard pushed to find a player to beat him...As for Bod well i think he speaks for himself

Ali Williams is also the form lock around. He had an incredible season with the All Blacks in 2008 and judging by his S14 form, looks certain to continue in that vein.

LumpyChicken

It really pisses me off about Parisse. He is one of the most overrated players in the Six Nations. Yes he is a good player, but when you are playing with a team which lack quality even a good player looks great. Also , the fact that he has to do most of the work around the loose for Italy gives him a lot more exposure which he would not have in a team such as NZ, SA maybe even Ireland.

chupacabra

LumpyChicken wrote: »

It really pisses me off about Parisse. He is one of the most overrated players in the Six Nations. Yes he is a good player, but when you are playing with a team which lack quality even a good player looks great. Also , the fact that he has to do most of the work around the loose for Italy gives him a lot more exposure which he would not have in a team such as NZ, SA maybe even Ireland.

You do know he doesent just play for italy right? He performs week in week out for Stade and was quite rightly one of the player of the year nominees last year.

LumpyChicken

Yeah but look at Stade now and French rugby in general. It's in the dumps so Parisse playing for them means nothing really.

Chucky the tree

Oh jesus. I wish they didnt have the internet in kilkenny.

Tomtom364

Id add ollie le reux (spelling?) to the world worst. He is almost wider then he is tall!

LumpyChicken

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Id add ollie le reux (spelling?) to the world worst. He is almost wider then he is tall!

lol :pac:

anonymous_joe

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Id add ollie le reux (spelling?) to the world worst. He is almost wider then he is tall!

Well he's retired.

Last season was his last as a pro. He's now a Leinster coach, who plays when we needed a prop, given the injury crisis.

He's also done quite well actually in some of his appearnces this season.

If I remember rightly he was once the youngest ever Springbok prop. A quality player.

Stev_o

LumpyChicken wrote: »

It really pisses me off about Parisse. He is one of the most overrated players in the Six Nations. Yes he is a good player, but when you are playing with a team which lack quality even a good player looks great. Also , the fact that he has to do most of the work around the loose for Italy gives him a lot more exposure which he would not have in a team such as NZ, SA maybe even Ireland.

Hold up Parisse does EVERYTHING for Italy, he had of been unavailable to them during the 6N every team would of put 50+ points on them, there is no other player in the world who goes through the amount of work rate that man does in a international game. NZ are scrapping the barrel at the back row and apart of Adam Thompson and Josh Blackie they have hardly any fit back rowers that can put in that level of work rate.

SA is even worse and the only back rower who is truly world class is Kankowski who unlike Pierre "I ll hang out on the wing for the whole match" Spiess actually gets down and dirty aswell as getting the job done with ball in hand.

Australia though are probably the only SH side that have lads that can reach his level, guys like Poccok and Browne are true athletes that can do that amount of work rate.

handsomecake

1 afoa
2 hikawera elliot
3 mackintosh
4 jason eaton
5 victor matfield
6 adam thomson
7 richard hugh mccaw
8 rodney sooialo
9 ben foden
10 daniel william carter
11 fetu vainikolo
12 nonu
13 conrad smith
14 rokocoko
15 lelia masaga
o connell is the most over rated player in the world in my opinion. very very slow,never/cant offload in a tackle. his pass is very average. all of the above are not prerequesites for a lock but if you want to be considered one of the finest exponents of your game i think you should exell at all facets of your game. he doesnt

twinytwo

handsomecake wrote: »

1 afoa
2 hikawera elliot
3 mackintosh
4 jason eaton
5 victor matfield
6 adam thomson
7 richard hugh mccaw
8 rodney sooialo
9 ben foden
10 daniel william carter
11 fetu vainikolo
12 nonu
13 conrad smith
14 rokocoko
15 lelia masaga
o connell is the most over rated player in the world in my opinion. very very slow,never/cant offload in a tackle. his pass is very average. all of the above are not prerequesites for a lock but if you want to be considered one of the finest exponents of your game i think you should exell at all facets of your game. he doesnt

u did not just put vainikolo in ur team:pac:

premierstone

With regards to the worst 15 in fairness give bergamasco a break one game at nine cos Nick Mallet had a brain fart is a bit harsh especially when you consider a certain Chris Whittaker playing here on our own doorstep is a far worthier candidate

Stev_o

twinytwo wrote: »

u did not just put vainikolo in ur team:pac:

It's a different NZ'er plays the for the Highlanders.

JoeyDoh

Made some changes to mine.

1.The Beast
2.Bismark Du Plessis
3.Carl Haymans
4.Victor Matfield
5.Paul O Connell
6.Rocky Elsom
7.Richie McCaw
8.Pierre Spiess
9.Fourie du Preez
10.Dan Carter/Matt Giteau
11.Sitveni Sivivatu
12.Ma'Nonu
13.Brian O Driscoll
14.Joe Rokocoko
15.Lee Byrne

mother_rucker

1. Cian Healy
2. John Smith
3. John Hayes
4. DOC
5.Victor Matfield
6.Rocky Elsom
7. Richie McCaw
8. David Wallace
9.Isaac Boss (he's the boss)
10. Andy Goode
11.Rupeni Caucau
12.Gordon D'arcy
13. Ma'a Nonu
14.Joe Rokocoko
15. Lee Byrne

remus808

mother_rucker wrote: »

1. Cian Healy
2. John Smith
3. John Hayes
4. DOC
5.Victor Matfield
6.Rocky Elsom
7. Richie McCaw
8. David Wallace
9.Isaac Boss (he's the boss)
10. Andy Goode
11.Rupeni Caucau
12.Gordon D'arcy
13. Ma'a Nonu
14.Joe Rokocoko
15. Lee Byrne

mother_rucker

mother_rucker wrote: »

1. Cian Healy
2. John Smith
3. John Hayes
4. DOC
5.Victor Matfield
6.Rocky Elsom
7. Richie McCaw
8. David Wallace
9.Isaac Boss (he's the boss)
10. Andy Goode
11.Rupeni Caucau
12.Gordon D'arcy
13. Ma'a Nonu
14.Joe Rokocoko
15. Lee Byrne

wtf?